The Urantia Book and UFO's - Is There a Connection?

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This is a very special podcast
and I'm so happy that Joel

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Garvin has come by and he's
going to talk with me about

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UFOs, ancient civilizations,
modern abductions, government

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cover-ups.
The whole nine yards.

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Joel is an engineer by trade and
an expert on the ranch a book

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teachings, as well as having a
foot, a Bigfoot, in the ufology

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world assure you, this will be
an exciting conversation this

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time up, mommy Rancho, Radio
podcast.

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Yes.
Joel Garbin has been on our

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program along with a couple
times and he sort of a kind of

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he and I have in common some
techy stuff, sort of the way

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they would look at the ranch of
book is very similar and if you

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if you've listened to any of our
previous interviews you

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understand that Joel is not only
a smart guy but he's very smart

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about the Urantia book too and
that's why we decided to have

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him back on you know of late.
I I started talking again Joel

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about a u.s. a UFO conference
and you and I were sharing some

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e-mails back and forth and I
think one of the things in my

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earlier years I was very much
into the UFO Knology thing that

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was going on because like so
many other people I was always

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curious about the past and why
there seemed to be ancient

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civilizations and where did they
come from and what happened to

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those people.
But once I really got into my

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study of the Rancho book, I felt
satisfied.

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I'd that the ranch look pretty
much addressed all of the

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ancient civilizations, just by
The Narrative of having verse

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the caligastia 100 and then
later appearing the Adam i'ts

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and then Melchizedek so, in a
strange, kind of way you could

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say they are Extra-Terrestrial
because they weren't from here,

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but they came here and they were
Advanced and I thought I'd talk

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to you about it because I know
in our last conversation, we did

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talk about ufologists It and the
sort of interconnecting tissue

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between ufology and your auntie
book.

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So let's talk about that a
little bit.

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Where do you think?
How do you assess the world?

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Now, everybody seems really
excited about life on other

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planets, and UFOs, and alien
visitors.

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What's your sense of what's
about to happen or what's

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happening in the ufology
community?

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Well, let me give you a little
bit of context here.

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Jim on this whole excitement
about the whole UFO, ET field.

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So, just in the last couple
weeks, there's been an

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interesting juxtaposition of
what I would call three discrete

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events.
One was this the world's largest

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UFO ET related conference called
Contact in the desert?

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And that was just held a couple
weekends ago, right?

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Outside of Palm Springs.
I happen to be a speaker at that

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conference, on a topic related
to Boat the Rancher book and

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ufology and some other embedded
topics in their religion and

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climate science, and
breakthrough, energy, and kind

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of like trying to bring those
things together.

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Show some common threads there,
but one of the highlights of

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that conference was a panel
presentation by some of the

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leading UFO, researchers on the
planet and kind of giving the

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State of the, of the field
relating to that topic.

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And it was really fascinating.
Many of these researchers have

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been personal friends of mine
for four decades and it's always

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incredible to kind of get caught
up with them on what the latest

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is.
And there were some things that

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definitely I had learned new
about how far things have come

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including On The Whistleblower
testimony that's been going on a

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plate.
So that conference was kind of

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the the first little foray into
the recent activities.

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Then just a couple days later
there was revealed in the news

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about a very high-level
intelligence Community.

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Whistleblower is name is David
grush and he's gotten a fair

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bit. bit of press coverage
because he had made a basically

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gave some interviews that
revealed he had recently

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submitted his sworn testimony in
front of the US Senate

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intelligence committee select
committee on intelligence and

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his testimony had to do with the
fact of their being In a secret

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program within the US government
embedded in the military that

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has operated and active alien
crash retrieval program.

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So, alien spacecraft, they've
operated this for decades that

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they have.
In fact, retrieved actual UFO,

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physical craft, as well as
bodies on a number of occasions.

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Occasions and he filed a formal
whistleblower, complaint with

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the intelligence Community
Inspector General, that

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complaint had to do with
reprisals that he has

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experienced.
As both a US military US, Air

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Force military officer and as an
intelligence operative within

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both the The National geospatial
Intelligence Agency and the

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national reconnaissance office
is he's been an intelligence

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employee in both of those
agencies as well.

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And so his complaint had to do
with some reprisals from the

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intelligence Community against
his attempt to to be a

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whistleblower on this whole
topic.

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So he maintains that there has
been a secret Program within our

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government and that our own us
intelligence Community has has

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inappropriately withheld key
information on that topic from

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Congress.
And the the Inspector General

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for the US intelligence
Community has just stated that

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his complaint is credible and
Urgent, pretty strong words.

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Okay, so no, let's let's and
summation here then.

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The ufologists a community is
all a stir because we seem to

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have evidence.
Now that the government at

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Lisa's acknowledging or we have
evidence to show that they're

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very well aware that there's
been extraterrestrial activity

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to meet to that.
I would say as of your Ranch of

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book, reader, big deal, you
know, because I already accept

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the premise that we have been
visited numerous times by super

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intelligent life.
Forms.

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I get it, I'm there.
So now let's move on to the next

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step who are these who are these
visitors, where they coming

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from.
Are they coming from you?

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Versa, are they coming from
Jerusalem?

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Where are they coming from?
The Pleiades?

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Are they green and alien or they
spiritual?

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And super mortal beings, like
the kinds that we've had

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experiences with, in the past,
it's like that Richard Dreyfuss,

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you know, in Close Encounters of
the 3rd time where he slammed

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his hand on a, on the desk.
And he says, who the hell are

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you people?
Okay.

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So, who are they?
Who are these?

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These Alien Invaders, in your
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Yeah, well that's a great
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I think some more of the context
here to examine that question

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has to do with some of the
information that was provided by

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a very well-known researcher on
the topic name.

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Dr. Steven Greer who also just
last week held a two-day

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conference on disclosure of The
Whistleblower testimony.

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These are other whistleblowers
Blowers.

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And and then that, that two-day
conference was followed up by a

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two-hour National Press Club,
press conference in Washington

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d.c., this was just last Monday
in fact Byron bullets us

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attended both bat full weekend,
two-day conference and the

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national Press Club conference I
was hoping to go to that dr.

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Greer had invited me to come to
that as his guest but I couldn't

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because Other priorities, but
Byron was there.

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I had a chance to kind of
debrief with him to see what he

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heard, what he experienced.
He said it was, it was very

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sober, very moving actually even
quite emotional hearing the

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testimony that was provided and
one of the things that that dr.

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Greer have revealed during that
press conference, was that the

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estimate is that there have been
between T and 70 species.

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Of, you know, aliens or humans
from other planets that had been

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visiting our planet here.
That's a, that's a large number.

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And these are, these are
physical beings apparently that

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doesn't exclude that.
There might be other types of

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beings, who, who can reveal
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that aren't fully material, but
we're talking dozens, Yeah.

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Well your but again races within
within the context of the bigger

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picture which is how I view it,
we already know from the ranch

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book narrative, there are
upwards of a billion seraphic

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beings on our world at this very
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So, what's the big what to do
about the space?

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People who come travel they come
see us, they don't ever let us

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see them.
They never, they always go to

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the intelligence Community,
which I think is a contradiction

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in terms when you're talking
about the United.

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States intelligence because it's
the United States and they're

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very rarely intelligent in my
opinion because while there are

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about as secrets and because
they think we can't handle it, I

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think people could handle it.
And why don't these aliens go to

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one of your conventions?
That would be great.

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Like, you know, when Captain
Kirk shows up at a Star Trek

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convention?
Why doesn't one of the greys

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show up and start talking to us?
I mean it sounds like I'm

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joking.
But come on now we're way past

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the suspense you know?
Don't they show themselves?

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That's that's my one.
My one gripe.

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Yeah.
Well it's so this is a really

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good question.
Jim.

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And now I would maintain that
that largely these beings have

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not just appeared to
intelligence Community or

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military officials or leaders of
Nations or whatever that they

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frequently have shown themselves
to regular citizens of all

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Stripes of all nationalities.
I mean, there are millions of

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people who have had their
experiences of various forms of

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contact that might have been
sightings of UFOs.

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That might have been sightings
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or or having actual contact with
beings directly.

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And, you know, and I have had,
I've had my own direct personal

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experiences of the phenomena,
both both singular.

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Early and in a group on several
occasions and so you know there

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are different stages of the of
these contact experiences but I

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think it's been happening to
many, many people on this planet

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now why don't they show up in?
Like a mass formation of of you

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know Mothership and little Scout
ships at conferences in at the

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fairground and all that.
That I can't really speak to

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that.
But certainly there have been

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well documented sightings of
multiple crafts in various parts

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of the world.
I've seen much of the film

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footage of this, I've talked to
various folks who have who are,

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you know, these are credible
people regular folks, as well as

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military inside or Witnesses,
who have given me their

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testimony on the things that
they've seen activities.

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They've been part of including
Oh, Terry programs, and and also

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involved in suppression of that
information, a come out into the

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media and such.
So, so these these contact

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experiences are much more
widespread than what one might

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think.
Now, you're your question about,

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you know, who are they, where
are they coming from?

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You know, what are they alike?
Are these just Spiritual Beings?

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I would say, no, they're not.
Evil beings.

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For the most part they aren't
these aren't Angelic beings that

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we can't see because, of course
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We can't register the presence
of a spiritual being with our

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physical sense faculties.
So we wouldn't even know if a

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seraphic Garden is right next to
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And I do believe they are, but
these beings that have have, you

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know, been the subject of these
contact experiences Large layer

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material and they have material
craft that they operate actual

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Mechanical Devices.
Now, they may be much more

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sophisticated than what we have
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Our typical technology on this
planet, but they have figured

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out how to navigate Interstellar
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So, let's consider in, in terms
of the, your Rancho book.

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What?
Physical Beings who are not

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native to this planet.
Have actually been part of the

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history of this planet.
I think we can start with the

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life carriers.
Okay, so we know, going back,

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hundreds of millions of years,
your answer book says that these

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things, the life carrier order
came to this planet and they

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came here.
After performing certain

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experiments of Life, formulation
in Laboratories On the life

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carriers, fears, that that are
around the universe

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headquarters.
Okay, salvington, so these

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beings actually have have the
assistance of Electro chemists

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and physicists.
That's that's actually called

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out in the Rancher book and
they, they operate Laboratories.

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That's not some etheric little
kind of fantasy or thought-form.

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These are Actual physical
Laboratories where they do

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experiments now, it says, in the
book that when they they came

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here for the light implantation
that they didn't actually bring

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a life-form with them to implant
but that they conducted the

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formulations for Urantia
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that meant they brought
Laboratories with them.

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Well, how do you do that?
You don't bring that on a

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seraphic transport.
You Bring that on some type of

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actual craft, you know, because
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laboratory.
It's going to come on a physical

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craft because they're doing
actual physical experiments in a

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life.
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three phase beings they have
options to be in three different

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phases.
One being kind of semi material

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once kind of a semi more
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actual physical form where they
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and can can actually perform
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include laboratory experiments,
and, and planting something in

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an ocean or whatever and such.
So the life, carriers are the

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first actual physical beings
that appeared on this planet.

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Now, we kind of progress, you
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few hundred million years.
We get to, you know, 500 a

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thousand years ago, the arrival
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staff of 100.
Okay?

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So these are, these are 100
ascendant Mortals from other

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planets who were, you know, who
had lived their life on those

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planets.
They now had their Morant

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reforms on on jerris em but then
when they volunteered to come to

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this planet, Once they arrived
here, they had specially

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constructed material physical
bodies that are said by the book

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to have been those bodies were,
were said to have been been

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implanted with life plasm from
some 100 of the and denied

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humans.
By these surgeons from Avalon

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Okay, so surgeons are taking
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into material bodies.
These were material beings from

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elsewhere, who clearly would
have been using some type of

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physical instrumentation, maybe
Laboratories against things like

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that.
They would have arrived here

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with, with all of that equipment
or what have you in a physical

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craft, these, these Avalon
surgeons, or whatever would not

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have come.
Come here on seraphic transport

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because again they need it
material instruments.

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And and who knows what kind of
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these delicate genetic
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transplantations.
So, that was kind of the second

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round of visitation.
Then we get to, you know, the

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adamic visitations of Adam and
Eve, you know?

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These again, these are material
beings that Up being here on the

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planet for all the purposes that
are described in the your Ranch

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of book and then I would say you
know, after that we got milk

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Maka done, the cute animal milk.
He's a deck here you know comes

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has an actual incarnate presence
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albeit superhuman but in
physical form.

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So clearly the melchizedek's
also have this.

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This perogative, even though it
might be used, rarely to

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actually incarnate is a physical
human-being on our planet and in

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the, the last and very
significant mentions throughout.

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The book are what are called the
student visitors?

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And the student visitors.
I think kind of gets short

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Thrift in the Rancher Community.
They tend not to be recognized

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or discussed much, but they're
actually mentioned in several

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parts of the Look, and some
curious things about student

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visitors.
It says that they are, they are

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ascendant Mortals from various
planets, you know, all

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throughout the Universe who who
are seeking basically increased

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knowledge and understanding,
they they are free to travel

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throughout the Universe.
They are free to travel to even

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quarantined planets.
So that's not off limits which

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would include our own planet and
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that are supposedly under
quarantine and in our own local

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system.
But the student visitors clearly

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range widely throughout the
Universe and they can perform,

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you know, such such activities
as observation of a planet.

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May be just that Scientific or
cultural curiosity, they can be

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helpers in certain missions as
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And you know, it sounds very
natural to me that, you know,

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given that that our own brand of
Humanity on this planet, has

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always had a keen sense of
adventure and exploration and

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Discovery.
We like to go find out new

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things and travel to new places.
It makes sense that humans on

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other.
This would be doing the same

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thing if they're more advanced
than we are technologically.

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If they become spacefaring, it
makes total sense that they

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would travel around to various
planets.

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Now, the Rancher book does say
that at the student visitors

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tend to be more semi spiritual
inform and that they actually do

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travel by seraphic transport.
Now, that would imply that they

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would not routinely be visible
to us here.

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Because, you know of our
physical senses, not being able

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to detect them.
However, we don't know if there

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is technology on this planet
within our classified, programs

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in the military or intelligence
Community, we don't know if they

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now have technology that can
detect these semi spiritual, or

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Mirage, social forms of life and
energy using technology,

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Certainly we have
instrumentation that can detect

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forms of energy, including
various wavelengths of light

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that are outside the visible
spectrum.

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I Want Me The Roots just because
you brought that up.

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I want you to just what you just
said.

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This is what we've been able to
detect from from the

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Sagittarius.
Cloud of cosmic explosion that

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happened.
Jared years ago, listen to this

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Joel,
that's from a cosmic burst from

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the Sagittarius.
Cluster of there's a there's a

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black hole there and Joel that
happens to be where the ranch

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book says is You minor the
third.

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What we call enza or minor
sector isn't that fascinating?

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But it just plays to what you
were just saying totally Wild

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Jim, but it just goes to show.
Look, we would not have been

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able to detect that type of
energy which, you know, in this,

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in this case, you know, that
was, you know, frequencies of

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sound.
Yeah.

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That would be outside our normal
range of human physical.

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All sense of hearing but we've
got instrumentation that can

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detect.
You know, that type of frequency

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we can detect light frequencies
both in the infrared and

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UltraViolet and and Gamma many
other ranges within the, the

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full electromagnetic spectrum.
My expectation, is that

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spiritual frequencies of energy
and Amarante, show frequencies

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of energy that they are also
part of the electromagnetic

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spectrum. bactrim and can be
detected if you have the

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suitable technology to do that,
and I want to be surprised at

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all if the advanced technology
used in classified, you know,

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military programs have that
ability and as you listen to the

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whistleblowers, give their
testimony, especially these

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military whistleblowers and you
hear about the degree of

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sophistication of the equipment
that they were privy to their

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There, there is a lot to be said
to the ability of our military,

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at least in the US, to not only
be able to detect incoming

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spacecraft of various sorts
visible and invisible, but to be

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able to Target them and actually
bring them down with some type

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of weapons for technology.
And it sounds like in many

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cases, this is a type of Well
basically beam weapon technology

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that can track and bring these
bring these Technologies down.

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According to dr.
Steven Greer at that National

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Press Club.
Conference last week.

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He said that he has actual data
and evidence of at least 120

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crash retrievals that have been
performed by these classified.

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Programs within the US Military
and the pretty active.

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I mean, I have to say that that
indicates there is a lot of

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activity, you know.
I would imagine it and I'm sure

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you've heard this said before,
but if you were from an

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advanced, you know, Society, you
know, on a planet far, far away

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and you're mastering the ability
of interstellar, Interstellar

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travel.
Then you come to this planet and

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you get a up-close look at how
we behave and some of the

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problems that we're having here,
I would, I would argue, they

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would probably You will not want
to be seen by us because because

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it will have our belligerency,
you know, we're very

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antagonistic species.
Well, it's a good point.

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I mean, whether it's a military
with sophisticated weapons free

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targeting you, you know, if
you're coming in and all you

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want to do is maybe just
observe, or you're curious

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because you've heard that, you
know, Michael was here.

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So I think yeah, this is a life
modifications fear with forms of

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life that Don't exist anywhere
else.

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So, that's part of curiosity to
you here.

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This is a divisional
headquarters of Archangels,

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which is supposedly quite
unusual and rare and special

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that would Peak some interest.
And then most especially this is

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the one planet out of nearly
four million in our local

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Universe, where our own Creator
son, had his seventh bestow as

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an incarnate human.
So in Hence, interest would be

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the case in our little blue
green sphere here.

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Yeah.
Well, cut.

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Cultures on other planets would
take an interest and wanting to

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come and check it out.
See, maybe I observe, you know,

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who are these backward.
Your actions here and hopefully

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not be targeted by by
sophisticated weaponry and other

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types of threats.
But yeah, I agree with you.

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Jim.
I'm sure we appear just quite

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backward and ignorant and
belligerent compared to the more

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advanced races and some of whom
may be certainly millions or

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even billions of years more
advanced in their spiritual

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growth in their technology in
their ethics.

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You know, then we are here.
Well then I feel better talking

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to you Joe.
I knew you'd help me sort out

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this a little bit and give me
some perspective.

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I think he's kind of won me over
a little bit.

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I don't see the conflict that I
saw before we started talking

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because I'm a purist.
I mean your ancient book purest.

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I often say if it's not
mentioned in the book there's a

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good reason for that but in a
way they do sort of mention it,

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don't they I mean there is
definitely a thriving, the

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universal Community surrounding
us and we just aren't aware of

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it because of misgivings of our
own history.

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That's all so.
Yeah, you're right.

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You know, clearly there are
many, many different Different

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types of beings here.
Celestial beings and probably

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thousands or Millions who are
doing kind of their routine

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duties here, you know,
unbeknownst to us because, you

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know, we might react in very
inappropriate ways, if we were

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aware of their direct presence.
But I think you know, those who

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are familiar with your answer
book, I think we've become very

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curious and, and I would say I
would like to meet these beings.

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At least one in each of us.
Love to have a direct meeting

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with our Guardian seraphim.
Oh, sure.

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I'm waiting.
That would just be spectacular

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or to me, you know, you know, a
Melchizedek receiver or, or any

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of the light carrier.
Custodians to says that there's,

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you know, there's two senior
light carriers and 12 life.

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Carrier custodians, here who've
been here for a long time.

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And undoubtedly they continue to
monitor the progress of Life

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development here.
In a they probably are hugely

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concerned with what's going on
here.

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Because you know, we we are, you
know, by some claims we are in a

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mass extinction period where
we're losing so much of our

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biological diversity on the
planet at a rapid Pace, we have

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a lot of challenges With human
help and and issues we have to

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contend with in that realm,
human fertility and in other

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things and a lot of kind of you
know, ignorant but also

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malevolent human activity that
goes on.

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That is kind of ants.
I live.

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I would think the life carriers
and others would be hugely

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concerned about that and maybe
they are doing some type of

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preservation activities along
with you.

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Just the pure monitoring what's
going on here.

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So we have one of the key
elements that you will

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frequently here in the UFO.
ET Community is hybridization

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programs where people will say,
hey, they had a contact

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experience with, with some alien
being, they were taken aboard, a

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craft.
They had their eggs or sperm

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withdrawn.
And they were, they were later

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told that this was part of a
breeding program, or

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Hybridization program in some of
them claim and I have even

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talked to some of these a few
women in particular who said

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they actually were introduced to
the hybridized children that

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were you know half there's and
half half another order of being

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so pretty startling stories when
you hear them.

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But these are again just regular
people who who don't Have a lot

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to gain by sharing Fantastical
stories where they'd be likely

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to be ridiculed and called
Cooks.

455
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,900
But when you see that these are
sincere people who have been in

456
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,900
many cases traumatized by those
experiences, you know, you kind

457
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,800
of like, wow, you know, you feel
some empathy for for what

458
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,000
they've gone through but
hybridization should not just be

459
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,100
thought of as as like something
new and extraordinary because

460
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,900
What the adamic mission was all
about.

461
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:03,400
Yeah, was revising.
The evolutionary human with the

462
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Violet race to bring about a new
and higher form of human with

463
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,500
enhanced endowments of Mind,
enhanced endowments of

464
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:21,800
physicality more better immune
system to leprosy and other high

465
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,100
senses, spiritual perception.
All these kind of things.

466
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:31,700
Things that that we would have
had as our natural endowment.

467
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:35,600
But, but, you know, we know that
program got largely thwarted.

468
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,000
So we only got two at best kind
of a piecemeal bit of that up

469
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,100
stepping of our biology.
But nonetheless, that was a

470
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:52,200
hybridization plan and, you
know, so to hear that, that some

471
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,800
of these kind of more recent
account.

472
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,200
So of hybridization Ation
genetic modification.

473
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,100
What have you to me?
That's like, thoroughly

474
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,500
possible.
That that might even be

475
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:11,000
something being conducted by the
life carriers, on an emergency

476
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600
basis of some sort because of
what's going on on our planet.

477
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:19,400
We got to remember that the the
your into book Revelations,

478
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:25,199
largely, you know, work
included, you know in you know,

479
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:31,500
the 40s, perhaps maybe perhaps
up to 1945 and here we've had 80

480
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:38,699
years since then of dramatic
acceleration in our technology

481
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:43,699
and in so many other things
happening on this planet.

482
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,199
So we don't have 80 years of
more Revelation that we can read

483
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,000
about.
So it's not like things stayed

484
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,199
static since those, you know,
those, the book itself.

485
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,500
Was finalized and published, you
know, things have continued to

486
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,500
go on.
So who knows what all the

487
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,400
additional things that have been
undertaken on this planet, by

488
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,000
the celestial overseers, it
could be far far, you know, just

489
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:18,300
it could be spectacularly.
Surprising you know about what

490
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,000
they might be doing as
conservation.

491
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Measures for the life on this
planet including human life.

492
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,900
It's a good point.
I think that's a good place to

493
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:30,700
leave it to, because, obviously,
there's you, you've proposed so

494
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,400
many more questions and that's,
you know, that's one of the

495
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,900
frustrating things.
I, when I'm watching Ancient

496
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,500
Aliens by the end of the episode
is like, wait a minute.

497
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:44,300
You didn't answer any of those
questions, but far, be it for me

498
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:49,200
to say this.
All of this is under a guiding

499
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,900
loving hand, a spiritual
Creator, and it takes nothing

500
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:56,600
away from a relationship that a
person can have With their

501
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,800
Divine Spirit, the spirit of
God, it takes nothing away from

502
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,600
the authority and the power of
Michael.

503
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,900
And in Christ Jesus, it takes
nothing away.

504
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:10,600
All it does is reinforce the,
the same notion that the Urantia

505
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,300
book puts for, which is that we
are part of a much larger Global

506
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,600
Universal community and
eventually we're going to grow

507
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,300
into that and we will have,
hopefully maybe open

508
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,800
communication with some of these
Advanced societies around

509
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:27,700
around.
And the universe, why not?

510
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:32,200
Why wouldn't that be a natural
event that could unfold through

511
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,400
time?
I mean, we've only been if you

512
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,700
think about it, man has been on
this planet for a little less

513
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,400
than a million years, but only
in the last hundred, have we

514
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,900
really started to explore the
universe?

515
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,700
So we still got a long way to
go.

516
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,200
We still have a lot of things to
learn.

517
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:54,000
So any, well Seth?
Yeah, I'm very well said, and I

518
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,100
thoroughly agree with you.
Well, I appreciate Jaded and I

519
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,400
are you doing anything fun?
Are you going to any of the

520
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:03,800
upcoming events that the
foundation of the fellowship are

521
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,500
sponsoring going to?
I see 23 at all with any any

522
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:09,300
specific.
What do you think of the?

523
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:14,300
The I know you're into space the
eclipse next year, August 21st,

524
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:18,100
the big, the big Eclipse that
comes seven years after the

525
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,600
other Eclipse that occurred on.
August 21st, I guess.

526
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,500
This next one will be on Easter.
Resurrection date.

527
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,000
If any of that energy Interest
you at all.

528
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:29,900
Oh yes.
I'm glad you brought that up.

529
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,700
Yeah.
I'm very interested in in that

530
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,500
Eclipse.
You know, I was in the path of

531
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:41,200
totality of the the one that was
in 2017.

532
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:42,900
You have Coral camera?
That's right on.

533
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,100
August 21st.
Yeah.

534
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,100
Yeah, that was an amazing
experience.

535
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:53,900
And I'm hoping to again, get it
get into the path of totality

536
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:58,600
somewhere in the US for the
upcoming Many clips and I have

537
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,700
been, you know, paying attention
to some of your other guests who

538
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,800
had some, some comments about,
you know, what?

539
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,200
Some possibilities might be
associated with that, which are

540
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,400
curious, you know, I don't, you
know, I entertain, you know, all

541
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,000
possibilities for something like
that and they're undoubtedly.

542
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,700
There are something really
special that happens when you

543
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,200
get directly experienced that
full full solar eclipse.

544
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:29,300
It is an unusual.
I experienced that, that is

545
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:34,000
moving, very moving on deep
levels, not just intellectual or

546
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,600
emotional, but physical levels
to because it's such an out of

547
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,000
pattern experience from our
normal, you know, diurnal, sweat

548
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:52,000
cycle and I think it kind of
causes a reflection of sorts in

549
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,700
the mind of those who get to
experience that just about

550
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:59,200
house.
Show this is and how is it that

551
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:06,800
that our own moon is is of such
a size and distance to just

552
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:13,500
perfectly perfectly.
Be able to to fit directly in

553
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,400
front of our star.
Yeah, just seems Way Beyond

554
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,200
coincidence, doesn't it?
Jim sure does.

555
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,700
I know the ink is used to lose
their heads over this.

556
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,500
Literally right now, you're
right.

557
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,700
I mean when you cease that it
just sort of a it's you know,

558
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,600
it's humbling more than anything
because it really makes you feel

559
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:43,100
like I'm small Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you look at it, when you

560
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:47,200
read through the life, carrier
account in the Rancho book and

561
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:56,000
you, you know, they say all of
these different unique and

562
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,400
special aspects of our planet in
the life here.

563
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,000
That clearly are not our
evidence that life is no

564
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,600
accident that it has been
planned at.

565
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,800
Vastly high levels, as a part of
a divine plan and carefully

566
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,100
formulated including our
atmosphere and, and certain

567
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:23,500
aspects of the planet and in a
neighboring.

568
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,100
Neighboring, planetary bodies,
including our moon and such, and

569
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:34,800
they say that the the midwayers
have have conjectured nearly buy

570
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,600
tickets at 50,000 different
reasons.

571
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:44,300
That point out the planning, the
intelligent planning of life.

572
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,400
Not just the random bombardments
of cosmic particles that somehow

573
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:56,200
accidentally gave rise to two
life which is just ridiculous

574
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,800
and absurd.
I think for any, any thinking

575
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,500
person to maintain, yeah, I
agree.

576
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,600
There's nothing wrong with
admitting that the Universe came

577
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,900
into reason came into being for
a purpose that we have not yet,

578
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,200
discovered that Purpose and full
should net should not take away

579
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,400
from the fact that this is
wasn't an accident.

580
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,500
So anyway, we'll leave it there.
Thank you so much.

581
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,100
Joe for coming by and I look
forward to our next

582
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,300
conversation.
This is my home now.

583
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200
You yourself called me,
destructive race?

584
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:32,700
That's true.
Still there is another side.

585
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:41,700
You see I I love them.
This is a very strange thing.

586
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,100
I can't find a way to explain it
to you for many years.

587
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,400
I cursed my love for being sent
to you.

588
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:58,300
Human life is difficult.
But as this life is coming to an

589
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:03,400
end.
Now I consider myself lucky to

590
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,300
have lived it