The Jesus Metaverse, Part 1

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I'm very excited about this
episode of The Ranch Radio

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podcast.
You might remember a few

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episodes ago, we spoke with
Gabriel Ryan, Berg and others

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from the center for Unity
project.

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What is the Jesus metaverse?
Well, it started with an idea

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Gabriel.
Who, by the way, was

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instrumental.
In the Rancher book Hebrew

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translation had the idea of
taking the life and teachings of

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Jesus from the Rancho book and
creating an enormous

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cross-referencing database.
That connects the events, the

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people and the ideas of Jesus
during his life based on the

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life and teachings of Jesus from
the Urantia book.

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And so the idea was born What
we're going to learn in this

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podcast, is how the pieces came
together and what the potential

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this project has for inspiring
generations to come.

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What's more this project
involves?

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Urantia book readers from all
over the world.

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So let's sit back and learn all
about the Jesus metaverse.

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Oh, and PS, his metaverse has
nothing to do with wearing funny

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goggles or joining Facebook.
What's Happening Here is nothing

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short of exciting, could even be
a game.

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Changer for the Revelation.
So let me begin as Gabriel

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introduces his team featuring
Gary Tong, Lisa, Tau and Andre

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Reed Otis as we jump into the
Jesus metaverse in this episode

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of the Rancher Radio podcast.
Gabriel, first of all.

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Thank you so much for coming
back.

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I've got nothing but great
response.

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People are just so excited about
what you, what you are doing.

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Briefly introduce your team and
then we'll get into the

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specifics about what each person
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Doing with this project, great.
So, thank you for having us

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again.
We also are getting a lot of

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responses, and positive,
feedbacks and donations, so

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something obviously is working,
and we're very grateful.

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We have Lisa and Gary who are
from Canada from the Vancouver

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area.
And there are husband and wife,

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team story in it of itself and
Andre from the Boulder Colorado

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area.
Andre is responsible for our

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editorial.
Voice is going to be both

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creating content and also
editing specifically the written

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content.
We're creating original.

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Basically secondary Works based
on part 4 of you Rancher books.

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So, Andre is going to be as a
long-term reader as a student of

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this book, as a master of
English and writer, he's going

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to lend all of these.
Scales into creating beautiful

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Pages.
Lisa is going to design visually

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and design.
The Experience, somebody will go

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through this metaverse, which is
a software product and Gary is

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artistic director.
He everything, you will see with

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your eyes, it has to do with
colors and shapes and how things

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blend together artistically.
This is as many people in our

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community.
No his his great gift.

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So he will be lending those
skills.

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So we like to call ourselves the
user experience and content

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creation T.
There tomorrow we will meet

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another aspect of the metaverse,
which is the data curation team

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and we'll get into those
details.

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Yeah, this is, this is our team
and we'll be happy to delve

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deeper.
So let's delve deeper, tell me

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the Eject started.
When I'm, we talked a little bit

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in the previous podcast about
your experiences and your life

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leading up to the point where
you came upon this idea.

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So when did it, when did it
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Like the expression when did you
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And what was that experience?
So about the end of July last

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year, July, 20, 21.
I had many discussions with Jim

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English, who produced The
Beautiful.

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Work called the untold story of
Jesus.

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It's now in its second printing.
So we were discussing many ideas

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and he heard about the meta
first, I mean, everybody hears

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that word, of course, now with
Facebook and meta it's becoming

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a little bit of punch line to a
joke.

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We'll discuss these aspects a
little bit later.

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But Jim came with this idea of
Something that goes deeper into

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the life and teachings of Jesus.
And when he mentioned in this

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discussion, he mentioned the
word or the works of the master

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seraphim who servers as
Clearing, Houses of information,

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and that expression, I don't
remember the exact quote, but

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that expression got me, not
thinking, but it was, is like a

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seed that started working with
Amy.

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And I think I month later I just
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I'll be a big graphic but not
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I went to the toilet but I took
my phone and I was sitting on

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the toilet and talking and I
talked for like three minutes I

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recorded it.
I knew I had to record it and

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what my ears heard where
basically the foundation.

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In, for this project.
This was late July.

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I share this with Gary, which we
did a lot of things together.

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I share this with, with Jim and
then, the next thing that

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happened is okay.
Let's do, let's build a computer

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model for describing the entire
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I and and when you were going to
do a software product.

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So I started I'm a software guy
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database Technologies and then
just like everything else in

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life.
You know, I got passed from one

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person to another, and then one
of them mentioned there's

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something called a graph
database, which is basically

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circles connected with lines.
And when I heard that, I knew

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inside, this is what I was
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So I started researching, the
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did a graph description of How
to organize the information from

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part, four of the Rancho book.
And I went through a couple of

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iterations of that and then
immediately, I started building

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tools.
So we could actually do this

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work and we build the data
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Basically, a year from a year
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So I gave them all these tools
and I built this process where

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we started collecting.
But then I we kept talking Gary

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and And I as we were doing still
and then the idea came.

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Okay, let's do, let's start to
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software product, a prototype.
So we spend the next three

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months doing that and then I
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get this database that we were
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So, but that time by January, we
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entire installed story of Jesus
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And we got hundreds of data
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built a software prototype back
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And Lisa was in the background,
she saw everything to Gary and I

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were doing and sometime around
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She said, maybe I can help you.
And, and I said, yes.

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And then we started the second
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which she will describe it in
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So There was an Insight from
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And then, there was some
instructions that I received for

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lack of a better word and idea.
We started building a computer

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model, then we did a prototype.
And then we said, okay, now we

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know exact, we know roughly
where we're going, but we, if we

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want to do this, right, we're
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involves some someone like Lisa
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experience.
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then Andre Gary and several
other people came along to

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complement this team.
We have another team member that

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is started to work about two
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His name is Fraser, is also from
the Toronto area and he's going

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to be basically developing this
software this team, the data

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curation team and Frasier are
all the components working in

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parallel.
You must have an end vision in

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mind of how you see this being
used by people who walk into

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this experience, tell us what
that vision is, how does a

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person after all of this is
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What will be their experience?
So, what we're starting with is

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an experience that will
incorporate and we're riding

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textual material to present
this, and then we're laying it

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out for you with additional me.
A files audio files, video

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files, Comics paintings anything
artistic that can embellish this

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experience.
So you can think of it as the

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internet of today, using the
Technologies of today.

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Something that can run on a
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tablet.
You don't need special

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equipment.
It's still going to be

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media-rich, it's going to give
you an experience of what was

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it.
Then, 2,000 years ago, that

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happened house.
Things are connected and we're

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going to take the information
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Four of you launch a book, which
has basically the director's cut

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version of Jesus life.
It's got so much information

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that fills in the details of the
gospels that we're going to use

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to present it to you.
So there's a research mode where

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you basically can choose and
pick whatever you want to go

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deeper to and then we have more
like a journey on the life of

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Jesus which is directed.
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studies.
So, we take a topic, we take a

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question that interests the
young people today and we break

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it into smaller chunks and we
take you through different

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things that happened during the
life and teach during the life

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of Jesus to expose this and
expound this topic.

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So for example, gender equality
could be something that interest

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a lot of people today.
What was Jesus is thinking, and

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what did he actually do, when he
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show his thinking, and his ideas
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So, we're going to take multiple
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experience that is just that.
So, those are two segments of

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the product, there's a journey,
there's research mode, where you

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can go anywhere you want, and
then there's a whole social

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component where you're
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Your peers other students but
also mentors that will be able

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to help you go through your
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We did a lot of reading and
understanding what are the young

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people of today?
The generations, he's and the

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Millennials looking for, and not
finding sadly in institutional

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religion, and this is not
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or Judaism, or Hinduism, those
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for a long time but somehow it
feels like the generations of

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today.
I'm not finding answers, they're

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not being served as well as they
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those religions to change.
And there's there's a vacuum

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there and many things are coming
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People find God.
So we hope that we can serve

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them in this capacity by sharing
with them as much information

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and insight from the life.
And Chance of Jesus in a way

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that is engaging.
That is fun but also very deep

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very touching.
So these are the various

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components of the product.
The end it's a software product

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based on a very detailed model
and we're building from part. 4

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of your entrepot quic has
thousands of data points and we

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spend thousands of hours doing
that you can almost think about

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it.
Like part of this product is

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almost like an Fire.
Wikipedia just about the life

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and teachings of Jesus with all
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intricacies.
And we're writing this material

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right now and Andres leading
that team with several writers.

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Chris and Mary Jo is writing
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And also Rick Warren is right
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So anybody who would like to
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I think that's a good way to put
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It's a Wikipedia for the, for
the life of Jesus based on the

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incorporating.
The fourth part of the ranch

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book.
I could see there might be some

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conflict.
So how do you reconcile when

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there are going to be obvious
differences, that people who are

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more akin to the knowledge of
the gospels, might say, well

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that's not the way it was.
Have you given thought to how

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you can integrate both of or is
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Are you going to stay strict
with the fourth part of the

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Urantia book?
Let me take a stab at that.

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In the first place.
Obviously, there is the whole

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Spirit of the project would be
to be in harmony with all the

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teachings of the world that are
out there religiously and

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spiritually.
It's not that we're not going to

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find factual contradictions.
But we will find ways as we work

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through these things and let's
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This kind of project has never
been done before.

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This this idea of trying to
fully represent the life and

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teachings of Jesus has never
been done to this extent before.

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We have some clothes attempts,
we have beautiful movies like

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done by zeffirelli.
We have and many many others.

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We also have now the chosen
series beautiful series that's

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being done.
That is inspiring many, many

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taking. something as a basis and
filling in the gaps in what they

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regard to be a responsible way
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that this is revelation, we
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representing things as they
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think what we can do is we can
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the things that that will be a
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process and of actually
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Rancher will be to be doing it
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already or what is believed
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saying.
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intolerance.
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to bridge is the idea of how do
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How do we get them to a place

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where they can consider, you
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this way, we're going to have
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say Fundamentalist.
It's but after all, doesn't the

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whole world have a problem with
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already?
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we have in the world today?
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do, we literally need to
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project as mediators in the
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people.
Willingly not unwillingly but

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bring them willingly to a
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been now.
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advantage we have.
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functional the spirit of Truth
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fact so much but the livability
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Bring people to God in whatever
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past what they might be stuck
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I like to use the analogy of a
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Okay, you have you when you're
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keep walking, but you're going
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walking that way and we know
that Christianity has certain

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problems things.
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to a place where we can explain
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That's that's only a beginning
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way.
What we need to do is to bring

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people to a knowledge that we're
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We're trying to bring people to
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teachings of Jesus to the And
that the world becomes a better

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place and that the world becomes
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So now, is the world ready for
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Perhaps not.
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There are a lot of people that
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that holding on to those beliefs
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morality and quote, the
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hopefully, we can get people to
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that we're trying to bridge
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that would allow them to know.
God more just in the same way

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that Pastor tried to bring us to
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really about Illuminating and
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Yeah, clearly clearly.
That's what we're trying to do.

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We're trying to bring them to a
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Christians definitely want to
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teachings of Jesus.
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growing cohort within every
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there was more to be learned
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someone who will have been the
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Christians.
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followers did after the fact, no
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everything now revolves around
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understanding, that Jesus was
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in fact.
He was trying to do was yes,

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there's that sort of out their
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and on behalf of a whole
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wasn't he trying to win the
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But understanding of God, the
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have been putting out a message
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one part of humanity.
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that would not have been as
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In fact, we know that the reason
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oxidant is because of how his
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Obviously, there's a lot of
negotiation that needs to happen

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with the constants here and how
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all in development.
And that's, that's our our aim,

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that's our goal.
Our goal is to universalize this

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to bring in, to make inclusive
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opposed to excluding.
And after all, there are plenty

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of people that we would like to
see See this that have given up

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on Christianity entirely.
We ought not to just because

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most of us are, you know, United
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We ought to realize that in much
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Christianity has fallen out of
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In many countries in Europe
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Attendance is on the decline.
It's largely people are Our

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Generation, my general speak for
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still going, but the younger you
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attendance.
So Christianity is not speaking

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universally, it may be winning
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a belief based religion that
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approach and R12 that kind of
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And I think we need to present a
more universal view.

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Oh of God, the one that Jesus
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because God is our father, our
loving parent, all men and women

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are brothers and sisters.
How much simpler can you get?

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And it's, you know, to be sure.
It's not going to be presented

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as a substitute for a personal
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But hopefully what it does, is
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facilitates that relationship
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I mean, that would be the whole
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It's the whole point of reading
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and teachings of Jesus or having
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Holy Land.
You know, going to the places in

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Israel or whatever that
experience is were serving your

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fellows.
All of those things are meant to

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bring one into closer
relationship with the master and

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thereby with God.
There's a line in the book where

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it says the power of any idea is
not in the truth but in its

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appeal to people.
So from an artistic point of

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view, How Gary are you going to
bring in that artistic part

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element of this project and
share that with us?

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Because we love what you do.
Frankly, I mean, it's just

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mind-blowing.
Thank you so much.

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Jim, it's great to be here.
I know it's interesting that you

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ask me that question because
Yeah, the answers are Andre and

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Gabriel of already been giving
add contacts to how I'm

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approaching it, you know.
Yes of course I'm a visual

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artist and you know, and I do a
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and videos and and some search.
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do all of my origins of mine in
Gabriel's relationship on this

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and of course, like what with
andreea for a long time and I'm

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kind, of course Eliza remarried
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reality balanced perspective.
So rather than just looking at

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how you embellish some, my
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some respects.
I take a little bit of a

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backseat.
This problem understanding Jesus

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in a, in a world form this
matter metaverse War form, which

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allows you to all allow somebody
who are non biblical, or you run

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a book reader to come to the
site and learn about parts of

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it.
Jesus is life that they find

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interesting in a nonlinear way,
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And, and so that the, the hope
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little bit easier.
I mean, I think you're already

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mentioned.
It's Jim even reading the

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Urantia block or just reading
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significant undertaking, I
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term and another many, a reading
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really pleased how much of the
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But brightest is Quite
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Actually I'm nodding about to
myself but you know and and

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that's and on obviously that
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taking somewhat of a backseat to
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functionality of what it needs
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to make sure that when people
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ever.
Look at a Jesus, or they're

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looking at, you know, that the
time line for two Slim or

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something like that.
That they, the most important

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thing is they get the values and
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without it being over
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that they're the embellishment
is serviceable to what we're

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trying to get people to
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And and yeah, I think you
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You know, the there is there is
there's this cause to have, you

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know, the biblical working there
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And I'm, I'm from a creative
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I again, it's not about me
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This is a kind of How I think
about things, you can put the

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biblical teachings, alongside
the teachings that are in Iran.

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Should look at.
And you can allow those two

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things to sit beside each other.
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critically thinking
truth-seeking person, who who's

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appraising those two materials
to make a decision on which they

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think is more compatible to how
they feel, or how they know,

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what they feel about Jesus.
And, and Truth has nothing to

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fear from honest inquiry and you
can allow those things to to

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prove out in the mind of the
individual who And what the I

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think one of the most compelling
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idea that the non-linearity of
how you can interact with it,

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that it takes something that
seems familiar Ville if you were

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to be given it as a board, but
it turns it into something where

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you can skip around.
Hopefully, you can move around

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it in a, in a smooth and slick,
and intuitive way, and maybe

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find those little nuggets of
edification and inspiration and

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Truth.
With that help.

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You want to learn more at a
personal level, just the the

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little go back to round my
visualizations, when any of the

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presentations that laundry and I
make, or any of the work that I

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do with on other projects as
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it possible that the that a
non-reader can watch or listen

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to it.
And they can find a way of on

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ramping to the more significant
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There's no Absolutely, no way
you can take somebody who's not

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ready for a new information on
Jesus and expect them to

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suddenly take that on just
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What?
I think about the metal versus

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purposes it'll be I think it'll
allow people to be in a space

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where there's a cultivated feel
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You can take it at your own pace
that you can.

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You can mix your eye, you know,
your own study by it won't.

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We're also meeting with other
people and and and those come

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conversations can help ripen
your understanding or they can

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help you feel more energized
towards greater and truths to do

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with Jesus's life or altering
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You know how many times have we
reread that we read a passage

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from Jesus in the ranch booking
and you know it leaps off the

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page differently just because
you read it a few times and

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you've had time that.
So this is the same thing.

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And and in some ways it's the
way that the arrangement was

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written, of course is like Meant
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elimination of error, and many
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But, but that doesn't, that what
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projects I work on are all.
Secondary works there,

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transmuting.
Something very complicated.

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You know, and some of it is
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Everyone on this, call note, and
then you're turning into

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something that can be given to a
non-reader or give it to someone

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who's just thinking to
themselves while I wish there

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was a little bit more.
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Secondary works are really
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I see them was building a bridge
between nowhere, where we are

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and where we need to be.
And I think something else, I

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00:30:32,708 --> 00:30:34,600
don't know, Gabriel mentioned
this, I'm going to take away

455
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,400
some of his Thunder, but it's
what I love about how we're

456
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,200
trying to position.
This is, we're trying to explain

457
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,100
Jesus before Christianity, which
rectorate were pulling in and

458
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:53,800
out of the of the Ecclesiastical
mechanisms that they use him.

459
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,100
We're pulling it to hit to it
towards him.

460
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,600
We're taking it away from all
that.

461
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000
You know what?
How did Jesus is life and

462
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,300
teachings?
Create such a wealth of faith

463
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,700
and belief that they ended up
making Christianity around him

464
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:14,300
around that life.
And now I've answered nothing

465
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:17,700
but visualization so I'm well
but now I think you open some

466
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,500
doors to other things that And I
would have eventually got to.

467
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:26,000
So are you is this the challenge
that you're going to take every

468
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,300
story in the fourth part and and
and have it all documented?

469
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,800
Or are you?
So, for example, the the

470
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,000
apostles, there's a section
where the Urantia book goes

471
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,100
through each of the Apostles and
their lives and who they were,

472
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:42,300
and you know, how their parents
raise them.

473
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,500
And so you're going to tackle
that aspect, nothing.

474
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,100
Nothing in fourth.
The fourth part will be left

475
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,600
out.
Or are you going?

476
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,000
When for illustration purposes,
maybe pick some key points of

477
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Jesus life.
Maybe his travels through Rome

478
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:02,400
how much detail and specificity.
Do you go into and what

479
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,100
determines that level of
specificity?

480
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,600
When you guys are laying out the
timelines and everything that

481
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,900
you're needing tell this story
or to rephrase the story.

482
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,900
I apologize for briefly on my
behalf and then so that, for

483
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:21,800
instance, I the way I see is a
prioritization so where there's

484
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,900
a thickness of information that
we need to focus more on that

485
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:30,600
first Gabriel's already
explained for want of a better

486
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,600
phrase where bootstrapping to on
this production you know with

487
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,100
this isn't a production that's
been given 50 million dollars

488
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:39,200
and only have like a large
production team, what will

489
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,500
happen to be quite careful about
how much time we use and how we

490
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:43,600
use that.
Time so.

491
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,600
Well, as part of that, where
we'll be building out the

492
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,700
highest priority, information
first, and then, and then you

493
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:53,400
spread out a little bit, like, a
tree trunk to, you know, and,

494
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:58,200
and the branches and the leaves
that's and, and, and that's

495
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,100
Wings very much to the other
work that I'm doing.

496
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,300
But, yeah, I'm doing other work,
there's Jesus orientated as

497
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,200
well, and it's all compatible
with this project.

498
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,900
So and there's a bit with is the
thickness of it.

499
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:13,300
They'll be more material.
And as we grow the project, In

500
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:17,500
the future that much that
thickness will pass our further.

501
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:22,100
You're leaving Yourself room to
expand upon things, but for in

502
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:25,700
the S and the effort of brevity,
and then, as this thing grows,

503
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,300
you can go back and expand upon
right, is that?

504
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:30,900
Yeah, I mean, it's logical to go
about it that way as well

505
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,600
because, you know, the we only
have so much capacity and, and

506
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,200
if you really got so much
capacity, you can do a much

507
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,300
better job if you focus on
smaller parts, consecrate to do

508
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:42,900
a good job there.
Then you can if you try to The

509
00:33:42,908 --> 00:33:45,200
to, too much, too soon and what
you're doing.

510
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,400
When you do that, you know, I
come from games development.

511
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,600
So as a phrase that with using
games development called a

512
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,100
vertical slice, for instance,
which would mean there's what

513
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:55,100
we're going to be doing is
taking his prioritizing certain

514
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,900
parts.
Whether it be writing editing

515
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,700
and what we're doing is the
early, the more, the more the

516
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:04,400
highest priority parts of the,
of the app will will be

517
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,700
demonstrative of what needs to
be done for the rest of it.

518
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,400
That's basically how it goes on.
All that gave an answer the rest

519
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
because I know he has a lot more
in know what Gary said is right

520
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,500
on.
And we're taking this in my,

521
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,500
what I have in my mind is like a
wedding cake with layers.

522
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,699
So we have a base and then
layer, 2 and layer 3, layer 4,

523
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:31,000
and We actually sat down and
prioritized every person

524
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,400
location event, timeline
relationship.

525
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:42,900
All those no types in this
computer model and one of the

526
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:47,500
team members was tasked with
saying, OK, from 1 to 5 with

527
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,300
stars, you know, is this a must
can we release this product

528
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:55,100
without this, without this
person or this relationship and

529
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,600
then, you know, you Hard
decisions but we cannot do

530
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,300
everything at the same time.
So we gave five stars four

531
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:04,000
stars, three stars, two stars,
one star and we're starting with

532
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
five stars so as soon as we
finish the five star material

533
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,900
will go to four stars but it's
but we've built like like Gary

534
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,000
said we've built the
infrastructure for a for a

535
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,800
beautiful wedding cake with five
layers.

536
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Only, you get a thin slice of
the cake and then in a little

537
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200
bit longer, you'll get a thicker
slice and a thicker slice.

538
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:31,100
I will give you the entire
experience on a subset of the

539
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:33,900
material.
What about the scholarly

540
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:35,900
approach?
Are you are you envisioning that

541
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:40,600
this might be a helpful tool for
Academia later that they can

542
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000
cross reference?
And this is going to connect the

543
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,300
dots.
A lot of dots for a lot of

544
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:49,300
people that are going to say, I
didn't know that it's going to

545
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:54,000
take a long time to do this.
But when I was recording, that

546
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,300
initial recording that I
mentioned, And this comes from

547
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:02,700
what Jim English said is over
time, this, especially the

548
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,700
computer model, but not the
entire product.

549
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,000
So, I'm talking now, by the
computer model, it could

550
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,500
represent basically Humanity's
understanding of the life and

551
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,800
teachings of Jesus, and it can
keep growing over time.

552
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,000
So to make this happen, I think
we will do two things.

553
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,900
We will publish an open source
version of this computer model.

554
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,900
Some people can use it and they
can go online and I'll make some

555
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:34,100
tools but they will be able to
download this model and use it

556
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:39,400
for whatever they want.
They will not basically be able

557
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,400
to change our model, but then we
will also open it up for a

558
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,500
process of.
I don't know if it's academic

559
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:51,100
but for people other people to
be able to contribute, both the

560
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,900
notes and the connections.
So somebody has an idea of

561
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:58,000
connecting the dots.
We haven't thought about it and,

562
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,400
you know, it's, it could, this
could be Unlimited in the

563
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,100
connections that people find.
So we will invite others to

564
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,500
suggest new connections and, you
know, to this graph.

565
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:15,300
So in a sense we want to open it
up as soon as it's ready to the

566
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,800
public at large and public an
open source version of it.

567
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
So people can download it with
instructions on how to use it.

568
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,900
And you know, if somebody finds
an error we would like to

569
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Corrected.
If some somebody creates new

570
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,600
information, we will give them
an opportunity to share with us.

571
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
So we can put it inside our
products, but also update that

572
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
model.
So we intend to share this with

573
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,600
you manatee, in a way that helps
other people study it, and maybe

574
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,800
build other products that we
don't think about using the same

575
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,900
data.
So, for sure it's going to be

576
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:54,600
shared the metaverse is a
software product with Lisa being

577
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,700
the designer of the Perience and
the interface.

578
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,900
So how do we present all this
information in a way that is

579
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:06,900
accessible, Gary's doing the
artistic and visual Direction

580
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:11,000
and Andres the editorial voice?
We have another person who's

581
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,700
doing coding so and another team
that's doing the computer model.

582
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,700
So this is the whole picture.
We're advancing on all fronts

583
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,800
were curating data for the
model.

584
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,900
For one year, we've been working
on the design.

585
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,200
Nine of the experienced.
Lisa has been leading us for

586
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,000
over six months, we are now
starting to build software.

587
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,500
That is going to take probably
between six months and a year

588
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,700
until we have a working version
that we can release that is that

589
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:46,700
vertical beautiful slice of cake
that you can eat.

590
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,700
So, this is one project in the
beginning.

591
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:56,800
We thought that the Cinematic
version is going to be Short

592
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,000
stories, five to ten minutes,
like one scene that you can

593
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,100
start to finish.
And of course, it has to do with

594
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,700
Jesus and something that
happened but not necessarily

595
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,100
connected to others.
And then we thought we were

596
00:39:11,108 --> 00:39:15,100
going to put this inside the
middle verse in different areas

597
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:20,900
of the project, but we since
pivoted into a more, like the

598
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:24,600
chosen model based on part, 4 of
you run, two books.

599
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,300
So we're now Looking at a TV
series or a series of films

600
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,100
episodio over many hours of
film.

601
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:39,300
So 50 episodes, 70 episodes
something very very large but

602
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:43,300
documents in drama.
The entire life of Jesus.

603
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:50,700
We are we have a new member on
this team that has been writing

604
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,800
original screenplays and she's
written for already.

605
00:39:56,300 --> 00:40:00,200
So we're now assemble assembling
a team content.

606
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,100
Team.
Now we'll start working on on

607
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:07,200
the entire concept and on the
pilot episode which will be

608
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,200
probably 30 to 50 minutes of
film, right?

609
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,500
It's drama.
Yeah.

610
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,600
So we're working on that.
But this is separate from the

611
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,700
middle verse call, bviously all
that material will filter back

612
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,800
and we're using the data from
the computer model and ideas.

613
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,100
Develop in the metaverse in the
Cinematic project.

614
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,000
So there are obviously connected
and we have the same management

615
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,000
team for all of the projects.
So, all the information is being

616
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200
shared.
One thing, we have not heard

617
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,500
from Lisa, was plays a big role
in all this, maybe we could

618
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:47,400
bring her in Lisa.
Tell me what brought you into

619
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,300
this project and and what your
contribution is and what you re

620
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,800
what, what really makes you
excited about this project.

621
00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,000
Hi.
Thanks for having me, sorry,

622
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,500
I've been kind of quiet.
I just kind of listening in

623
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,200
everybody.
Talking introducing the project.

624
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:10,400
I hate him in here when Gabriel
and Gary was working on their

625
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
first proof of concept
prototype.

626
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,200
And that was basically like a
little app where you can, it

627
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,700
kind of displays like what they
had, like the no types and then

628
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:24,600
all this webs of information
tongue, how the users can see.

629
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,500
And then I'll go.
I mean, This could be way

630
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:31,900
better.
And I just jumped in and like,

631
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:37,400
okay, I think you guys will
probably need help like getting

632
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,700
some more insights from the
users point of view because now,

633
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:43,000
like we have this thing where
it's like, we know what we're

634
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,000
making and we know everything
about Jesus, but how the users

635
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,700
are going to perceive this is
going to be, you know, different

636
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,900
from what we know.
So, I just came in and started

637
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:57,000
doing research for, you know
what, this generation

638
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,100
generation, Jaden gen Z and
Millennials, and how they feel

639
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:04,300
about religion and we kind of
started from Like what do they

640
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:06,000
need?
Like how do they perceive

641
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,400
religion?
And like, do they know, do they

642
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,100
want to know?
And we got some answers were

643
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:16,400
like, oh, I think this giant
origination, they are interested

644
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,400
in religion.
But they like spirituality

645
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,100
spirituality, mostly not
religion.

646
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:25,600
Like they are more into their
personal growth and how they

647
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,300
have relationship with like the
/, but not so much about the

648
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,800
incident institutionalized
religion because So I think they

649
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,300
feel judged by them, and if
you're uncomfortable with that,

650
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,500
it's kind of like a top-10
top-down system, and a lot of

651
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:44,200
bad press about the, you know,
Christianity and all that going

652
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,400
around.
So they were they were they

653
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,800
needed this, they wanted to know
more about it and they do have,

654
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:55,500
you know, they want to Foster
their personal face so but they

655
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:58,800
had no like other way of
learning this.

656
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,500
So, this is kind of like our
mission is to help create Ate

657
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:08,600
something that will help the
younger generation to get into

658
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,100
this easier.
So it's more like like Andre

659
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:14,800
says, it's like it should be
accessible and inclusive for the

660
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,800
younger generation like they
shouldn't be feeling judged or,

661
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,000
you know, scary.
So this is kind of like what we

662
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,400
are.
This is our focus when we are

663
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,100
building.
This product is, they know,

664
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,200
we're making this for the
younger generation.

665
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,600
We're making this for every
single person or who are Rested

666
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:39,200
in Jesus and we be planted in
Jesus that that would be a

667
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,000
question.
I would ask according to the

668
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,400
data that you've got our people
that even interested I don't get

669
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,700
the feeling they are but I could
be wrong.

670
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,200
I Think Jesus not necessarily
Jesus you know only but this is

671
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200
the platform that we are kind of
like presenting to them because

672
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,000
we know that learning about
Jesus life and teaching is

673
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,400
greatly helpful for People you
know, it helps them kind of

674
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,900
sensor himself and learn from
what he's done, then they can

675
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,600
apply that knowledge to their
daily life.

676
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,300
Like oh Jesus was nice to his
parents or something like that.

677
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:26,000
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna.
Yeah, but these like the way

678
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,500
Jesus lived his life well kind
of help and give inspiration to

679
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:33,100
the younger generation and
that's kind of Our Hope.

680
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,800
And we have time because he was
a rebel.

681
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,700
I mean, he was a rebel and his
day.

682
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,200
Hi, right.
So that's a connection point

683
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,300
right there.
Yeah, he was empowered and he

684
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:47,000
saw even more important to say
that he was a hero.

685
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:53,600
And and what we're all, we can
do now is paint his arrows Ark.

686
00:44:54,200 --> 00:45:00,300
How everything in his
development from young, babe, to

687
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,200
young child to young adult.
We have now.

688
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:08,600
This information and young
people, crave Heroes know, we

689
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,700
watch Star Trek and Star Wars
and Superman, and the Marvel

690
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,300
Universe.
Why do we like those stories?

691
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:19,000
Because each one of us undergo
this Hero Journey on a personal

692
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800
level.
And, you know, there were many

693
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,500
spiritual prominent spiritual
teachers on the planet, but we

694
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:32,300
don't have enough information.
I think to show to this level of

695
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:33,800
detail.
Life.

696
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,900
The personal life of any of
them.

697
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,700
We don't know enough about
Abraham and Moses and the Buddha

698
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,400
and, and Muhammad.
I just read the other day that

699
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,600
there's more information about
Jesus in the Quran than about

700
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,900
Muhammad.
So now, we have a chance to go

701
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:57,500
deeper and in greater resolution
into the life of a master, a

702
00:45:57,508 --> 00:46:02,700
spiritual teacher.
And if we manage in the minds of

703
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:08,800
our audience to disconnect the,
the umbilical cord between

704
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,300
Christianity and Jesus and say,
hey, no, Christianity is cool.

705
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:16,000
If you like that, great, we like
that too.

706
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,500
But Jesus was before
Christianity, would you like to

707
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:23,500
know what he was up to and what
was his life?

708
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:29,000
Like and what was the teaching
that eventually made more than 2

709
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,100
billion people on this planet?
Follow him?

710
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:36,200
Isn't that a story?
I was born Jewish and I knew

711
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,400
nothing about Jesus.
Now, I'm going around Israel and

712
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,300
I'm telling people, I'm going to
build a museum about Jesus and

713
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,000
I'm mostly talking to Jewish
people in every time.

714
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,800
I say those words, the Jesus
Museum, the eyebrows go up.

715
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,300
Oh my God.
All right.

716
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,200
That's interesting.
I want to go with any.

717
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,400
If I speak 30 more seconds, they
say.

718
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:58,100
When is it going to open?
I want to go.

719
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:02,100
So, Jesus is still attracting
people.

720
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:06,300
All around the world.
And there's there's at least six

721
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:12,400
billion people on this planet.
Who will not Christian that I

722
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
think will be interested in
learning more about this

723
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,900
spiritual teacher and how we
live this life that our audience

724
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:23,300
is everybody on this planet,
right?

725
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:25,900
We cannot do this by our own
Force.

726
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:29,700
It's this is not just because
it's too complicated.

727
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:33,600
But because that's not the
proper way to do something

728
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,300
about.
Like, this, it has to be an

729
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:40,200
immense teamwork project.
And with this is what we're

730
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,500
doing with building teams of
teams and doing it in a way that

731
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:48,100
is, is the even the journeys is
enjoyable, you know, it's not

732
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,200
work.
What keeps me going?

733
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,200
Every morning is this, you know,
it's the people that I work with

734
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:59,000
and knowing that for generations
to come, we will leave behind

735
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,600
us, we you Rancher.
Readers who have been given this

736
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,900
or adopted this Revelation and
and have studied it for a long

737
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,100
time.
Now, have the opportunity to

738
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:14,600
create a superb Legacy project
that will serve generations to

739
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,200
come.
I think that's what keeps me

740
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,100
going.
How can people find out more

741
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,600
about this Gabriel?
So we have a website called

742
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,100
Jesus.
Metaverse dot o--, r-- g--,

743
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:30,300
Jesus metaverse dot o--.
R-- g--, you'll find more

744
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,700
Information about us the
projects.

745
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:35,800
There's a Blog with monthly
status updates.

746
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,000
We publish a monthly newsletter,
you'll find Opportunities to

747
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,500
volunteer with us, and see the
positions that are open.

748
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,600
So if you draw, if you sign up
to our newsletter, we will send

749
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,800
you the information.
Our team will convene every

750
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,600
month and we'll have an open
room basically, where you can

751
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
come and meet us and ask
questions.

752
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,700
And now we're going to come back
also and talk with someone Other

753
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,700
people that are part of your
team and we'll do that in the

754
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:08,100
next episode and we'll be able
to discuss some other aspects of

755
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:10,000
this.
This wonderful project.

756
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,100
Any particular skill sets, you
might be looking for people who

757
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,800
might want to get involved.
Well, we're definitely looking

758
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,800
for more writers we're looking
for people, you know, one of the

759
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:28,300
things that you are, you are
asking before was, what is, you

760
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:32,600
know, what are people doing?
How are they filling in?

761
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:38,700
Some of some of the content of,
you know, the Rancher papers on

762
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:44,700
on the life and teachings of
Jesus and Gabriel, you know, and

763
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Lisa, both describe the whole
node aspect of how the data is

764
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,300
related.
How we're looking at people

765
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,900
places events and the
relationships among all those

766
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,900
things in between them.
Well, the That brings it to life

767
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,000
is the imagination of students,
of the ranch book, who

768
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,400
understand these things, who
have internalized, these

769
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,100
Concepts, who have made these
Concepts living in themselves,

770
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,700
and who have visualized them
frankly in themselves.

771
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,400
And when they do this, they have
they have a construct inside of

772
00:50:21,408 --> 00:50:25,000
them, that if they have the
writing ability, they can get

773
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,400
out.
So if you have that kind of

774
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,800
talent, we need that kind of
talent.

775
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,000
In order to be able to
creatively and imaginatively

776
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,200
allow, you know, bring basically
bring to life.

777
00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:46,800
What are these?
Seemingly static nodes, but

778
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,700
they're not, they're living
there.

779
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:53,100
Living nodes relating the
events, the people, the places

780
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,300
that all surround the life and
teachings of Jesus.

781
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,700
But wait, there's more to come
in our next podcast.

782
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,300
Gabriel will introduce us to a
team of people who are

783
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,100
stitching, the Jesus metaverse
together Page by Page.

784
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,300
And what this project has meant
for them.

785
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,400
Thanks again to my guest.
Gabriel remember Gary.

786
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:14,900
Ang Lisa, Tao and Andre Reed
Otis.

787
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:18,400
If you want to get involved in
this exciting project or if

788
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
you'd like to contribute, which
will be very important.

789
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,300
Go to Jesus metaverse.
Dot-org, this is the Rancher

790
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:29,200
Radio podcast.
Please share these podcasts with

791
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,000
others and in doing so we
together can help introduce

792
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,400
Millions more to the great
revelation of the Urantia book.

793
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,600
Until next time.
Thanks for stopping by.