From A Urantia Perspective with April Helen

0:00 And welcome back to another episode of the Urantia Radio Podcast. We are honored to have our special guest, our world traveler, Urantia Book reader, lifetime student April Helen will be joining us talk about her new trip. She's going to be spreading the Urantia seed in Europe and also just life experiences. It will share as long time Urantia Book readers on this episode of the Urantia Radio Podcast.

0:51 Just to introduce everybody, we're talking with April Helen, who is a long time your Angel book reader since in utero, right? I mean, pretty much your parents were reading my. Parents, My parents founded the year I was born in 1977 and I was born into the Oklahoma society, which was very thriving in the beginning. I think one of the first thriving societies back in the eight 70s, sixty 70s, yeah, under the under the leadership of Miss Berkeley. A lot of you out there know who she is. And we just I just came back from Oklahoma City because we had Jesus celebration.

1:36 As most of you know, we celebrate in the Iran chibic movement Jesus's birthday, his first birthday in August, August 21st. I was. I was. Somber that day, I typically it was Friday and I typically on that day, nobody that I know knows that with me. So I, I kind of celebrated just by thinking about him all day, you know? Yeah. And thinking about well. What do you think about? I think I think a lot about how the world really needs IIA Big believer in Paper 195, where it talked about what the what needs to change in Christianity and worldview. In many ways, we're very, very, very close to achieving some semblance of brotherhood, and we're getting there. But unfortunately, we're taking the very long path because right now the world is arming for the next war. I don't know how closely you follow things, but there's a lot of money and hardware and technology. And it's weird because, like, we're not fighting with China yet.

2:50 They're our adversary. And we spend billions of dollars a year on missiles that can blow them up. And yet by the same time, there's a 200,000 tourists that go there from America every year and go shop at their stores and and they have people that come over here. And so it's two different worlds. You got the world of the people that pretty much we've all accepted each other, you know, But yet the leaders are insisting on this path that ultimately, like the book says, will end in terrible destruction. So I think about how we can take what Jesus's message was and get that into the hearts of more people, because it really does.

3:33 Great article in the Messenger this week. And it was the woman who is, I guess she's the leader of the Fellowship. And I'm sorry, I don't know her name, but she was answering Byron Bolito's concerns about how the Urantia book is not moving. I'll interrupt you there. Yeah. What? Well, let me finish. The thought the. Because the thought is that she said, which was I'm getting to is my contemplation with Jesus was how can we initiate this change from within? Because it's got to change within each of us. That's what's going to get us to that, that light and life period. It's not going to be through a movement. It's not going to be through revolution. It's going to be because we all get closer to what Jesus was trying to teach us, that's all.

4:18 Yes, yes. Well, I just wanted to clarify for our audience that the President of the Fellowship right now is Masu Sukham, and who wrote that article was a new General Counsel member of the Fellowship, Miss Sheila Neiland I believe. And then to your point back when you said the revelation points towards destruction, maybe I'm misunderstanding you yet. I don't think that I see the because of our status because Michael Jesus who was sent here to clarify a lot of things, because of Adam and Eve's defaults and Kalagasha's rebellion that we are protected and we will survive towards the era of life and make it now.

5:21 I have been debated on that before, where our a lot of people think that our planet will move towards an apocalyptic thing where the Reserve Corps is going to be necessary. That is not my personal intuition around the future of Urantia, our planet. Me neither. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what did you mean by that then, when you said destruction? Well, the, the quote is in the subject of materialism and the age that we're in now where things are developing so quickly, our intellectual progress is far ahead of our spiritual progress. And when you don't have that stabilizing force of, of, of spirit influence, you know, the wheels can sometimes go off when they start to spin too fast.

6:17 And that's kind of where society is. So the quote is the results of materialism will be the quote is more destruction is inevitable if you choose this path of extreme materialism. So, you know, in paper 195, it goes through the different ideologies that are actually present. You've got the scientific view, which is that we're nothing more than atoms and Big Bang and all that. And you know, we make life what we make it. There's no ulterior motive. There's they're, they're not even getting close to intelligent design. Then you've got the totalitarianism, which is rampant. Half the world lives under totalitarian rule.

6:59 And then there are different shades of totalitarianism. England is slipping into that and, and the Western culture is losing the the tenants of Christianity, even though they say, you know, there's more people who believe today and all that. But if you look deep down, it also says that again, the Urantia book says most so-called Christians are really secularists. They just outwardly they appear to be Christian, but they don't really look at the teachings of Jesus. It's more like I'll, I'll go to God when I, when I need his help, but otherwise I'm just going to, I'll take the wheel from here. And, and sort of what I'm saying is that the, if there are Reserve Corps of Destiny, if there is the Seraphic influence, which I believe there is, it's working from within. It's, it's putting these people in positions. And, and I've talked to people in the Rancho community who think they know who some of these people are in, in, in politics and in, in perhaps in some position, Dolly Parton could have been reserve Corps of Destiny, if you really want to know the truth.

8:05 I mean, I, I don't think I know a more innocent person who had a more positive influence through her music than Dolly. And she of course, passed away recently. So, you know, there's that influence, but the people that are most dangerous to me are the the world leaders and people who think that they can micro engineer humanity. What do you think about that? Yes, for sure. And just a little shout out to Miss Dolly. Not just her music, yet her love for education and specifically books and reading. Was she a ranch book reader by any chance? Oh well, that is to be known in the future I suppose. She's friends with Willie.

8:52 Maybe he brought the blue book with her, you know? Hey, what's that? What you got there, Willie? Well, I do look at the curiosity when I think of the era of line life and how in the world and I know it will happen. Yet it'll be really curious to see how the what what I call the war machine, the industrial military complex. And because it's such a monetarily successful agency in the entire on the entire planet in many nations. Like how will that be moved into the era of light and life?

9:38 And the quote in the book that says, paraphrasing here around taking having liberty without license. When we get to when humans get to the evolutionary stage, the maturity that we make decisions based on the consequences to serve the greatest good instead of selfish, that is when the shift will be taking putting less power into the the war machine. And even though our wars are less damaging than they were even just 100 years ago, that shift is inevitable towards the era of Latin life.

10:31 And what you were just saying about it. It takes these individuals that may probably don't know that they're in the reserve corps, that they're in these positions of power to make these decisions. And I've heard several stories over the years of bombs that were placed that the person pushing the supposed to push the button wouldn't push the button. Yeah. And it, it, it saved us in some way. You're. Talking about that thing, it was in the 70s and there was AI, think a Russian operative, kind of like the technician guy. I think so. And he was supposed to push that button because there had been an early warning trigger and for whatever reason.

11:18 Yeah, I've heard that story a few times. He he just didn't do it. He just. I can't. Yeah. And that would have spurred on, you know, World War 3. So. Yeah. And and, you know, so that's that's why I don't worry too much about what I can't control because I know that. Right. I know. I was just reading about the faithful of days today and their influence. They're called the most highs in in the ranch book and also in the Bible. I think when the most high are mentioned a lot, but it's the Christians think it's about it's God, it's another name for God, but we know better. And that's kind of leads me to my next sort of thing I want to jump into.

11:58 Are you still going to France to do some uranium I? Am in a month, yes. OK, well, when you get there, take a look. When's the last time you've been to Europe? Oh, it'll be my first on that continent. I've been to every other continent except that one. So I'm pretty excited to go start a spiritual retreat center with another arrangement reader. Well, that should be exciting. I we will be happy to hear that. So we were talking earlier, April, Helen and I about this. So I had recently had a tragedy in my family that involved a close relative coming to the end, let's just put it that way.

12:42 And everybody that loses a loved one depends on who it is. We all react the way that we react. We all process things differently. But what you and I were talking about is there's a certain security in knowing at least feeling like I know what the process is when a person passes away. Because the Urantia book is very specific about what actually happens, what the transaction is. And I've accepted that that transaction of the way that the spirit adjuster goes to what is it Serafington to sort of check in and then and then the guardian Angel that's assigned to you takes possession of I think your soul, right?

13:30 You're the the, the the memories, everything that you have about you. It's almost like they transfer your entire life onto a chip, you know, and they take it with you and then they reunite on resurrection morning on Mansonia and and you're greeted by a mansion world teacher And it's a beautiful process and it's everything that everybody's ever dreamed of. I think you would agree with me that it should give anybody great comfort to know that there is a real intelligent process behind resurrection. I know that and I know that the person that is just recently passed away doesn't know that and none of her family knows that. And I it's just because of the fact that I have that knowledge. I, I feel like it really gives me an inner strength and I wish I could convey that strength to other people. You know, not that they don't think that she's not everybody's praying for and all that stuff.

14:32 And it's, but do you know what I mean? It's like knowing that knowing what happens lessens the blow is, is that a way? Is that a good way to put it? No, for sure. And it's interesting as people, loved ones that have transitioned, even though I have this information from the Urantia book of I don't even call it death anymore because we're in eternal life and we're just transitioning to the next level. And even still, I go through the animalistic human grief process.

15:13 And in my younger years, I was like, oh, why is grief? Why do we have sadness? Why, why, why? Because we already know what's going to happen. So be joyful and knowing that they're going to be waking up in the resurrection hall surrounded by all those who have come before us. And then what an adventure that we get to go on through the mansion worlds and then hundreds of worlds until we get to paradise is perfecting our personalities and views. And, and yet I still, when I experience these folks who transition specifically on how they transition, what transpired in their life?

15:54 Are they making the decision to transition themselves through taking their own lives or is it a an accident? There are no accidents, but, you know, a car crash or is it health? So I think that also informs how I deal with the personal transition of that person and then my relationship with that person. And, and is, is there unresolved? It's a little bit, it hits a little harder if there's unresolved relationship issues or things that at some point in the eternal time and space that we'll have to come back around and have a forgiveness conversation or, or whatnot.

16:45 And and then as you and I were talking this morning, this, this curiosity around us as Urantia world inhabitants, knowing that we're an experimental world. And if our audience doesn't know this apparently one out of every 10 worlds, the celestial organization allows for a little bit more experimentation. And we are one of those worlds. Plus we're a world that we're in double what I call defaults. I think you used another word for that earlier. And and then So what that has done, it has cut us off. They call us, we're in a quarantine. So we don't have the information except through the revelations that have come, Jesus being one of them, the Urantia book and the papers being another.

17:47 That just allows us to have a little bit more information. So us as on an experimental world, it's curious to me that I think we get a little bit more leeway to when we get to the resurrection halls to be apparently we have a choice. You get to choose whether you want to continue on the path to fuse with God, or you can become as if you never were. Yeah, who's going to take that? Because that's kind of like the suckers choice, you know? Yeah. Well, it's interesting because when I get into debates with other Eurenshevik readers, they're they're saying most of the people are saying that it's very few people who actually make the choice to move forward. I was like, no, I think there's way more people that are going to, well, that's just to move forward. Though because it.

18:39 Really is. And, and what often happens and how many times have you had this conversation where say, so you're saying that if Charles Manson believes in Jesus, then then he gets to go to heaven, man. And if I don't believe in Jesus and I live a good life, I don't get to go to heaven, you know? Have you had that conversation before? Well, that is actually a whole other thing, because I. Think what do you say about it? How do you get around that? Well, I I don't think it's I think what what I say is we're that's not a planetary, that is a universal like that quote that says you have to move through me to get to the father. Yeah, it's not the making the decision from this world because Jesus is our universal parent.

19:31 We we have many more planets to understand that and then we can make the choice and. Oh, wow. You are an optimist. You are an optimist. Yeah, I. Oh for sure, I. Think there's a huge wedding out process for people who don't make and there are people like I'll give you a good example. We'll just pick out imaginary names for people that we imagine exists. OK, let's say, Let's say that your name is El Chico. And you and you trend you, you work in human trafficking and, and you've killed a dozen people and you think that because you're a Catholic and because you were baptized that it doesn't God will accept you.

20:19 Do you really think that that a murderous treacherous animal would would pass muster, would be allowed in or do you think there would be some kind of now people that have had NDE experiences, you know, near death experiences, they will tell you that a common feature of your answer person told me this, I think it was Byron Boletzo's actually. He said that they the first thing that happens that they remember is they see all the harm that they did to everybody else in their life. So imagine the first thing in the resurrection is you're sitting in a theater and you're watching your life and all the things that you did and who you affected in your life. I would, I would if I was a bad person and I was forced, I would think that I didn't deserve to go to heaven and I would just beg for it forgiveness and I'd probably get a crappy ass janitorial job on planet 614 and I'd have to learn the whole thing over again.

21:25 I just believe there is some sort of justice that gets meted out to the bad people. Well, I completely think that there's a vetting and for one, I don't use terms like bad and good because their judgment qualities. And so to each the individual his own. And as we wake up from being a sleeping survivor, because those people who caused iniquitous experiences for other people on this planet definitely are sleeping survivors, when they wake up, they're faced with the ancients of days sitting there with the recorded information. They, they, they have to process all of that. Yet my point is, because we're on an experimental world with no material celestial representation to guide us, we are given a little bit more time and processing so to see the error of our ways.

22:45 And if those people who have caused so much pain still don't see it, then they become as if they never were. Yet my point is that we have a little bit more grace in the universal justice system. Is. Still the justice. System more mercy. I think what you're saying is there'll be there'll be an abundance of mercy because people will know, just like when you meet somebody who's, you know, grows up and they become a real jerk and then you find out that, you know, they didn't have a good life. You know, you sort of have to factor in, you know, in Christ, in the stories that they say to us when some of the like the prostitutes, Mary Magdalene might even be a good example. Jesus could see in into their hearts and he could see through his superior intellect.

23:37 You know, how they got to that place. And that's the lesson there is it? God does have mercy. That's why they have 3 ancients of days and not one, you know, that's why you know, I even Jesus said to Calagasia, I can't judge you because you're my kid. But maybe, you know, the ancients of days, you know, treat you fairly with mercy. See, that's, I think the, the reckoning that comes. But you're right. I, I think there is a, a great amount of leeway, you know, but some of these. Now, if those people were on planets, they aren't an experimental world and do have social, material, social, physical representation, then I don't, you know, it would surprise me if those kind of people, depending on the evolution of the evolutionary status of the planet during that particular time, it would surprise me if they were, you know, allowed to move forward or even even create or even allow themselves as a as a human to do these. Things you know, there's a there's a statement in where during the bestowal of of 7th bestowal of Christ, Emmanuel issued the proclamation that any rebellion that appears while he's on his assignment would meet with immediate extinction. Right.

25:12 Yeah, imagine that. You know, some guy, some Lana Dandek over there in System 414 decides that he's going to throw a hissy fit. Boom, he's out of there. I'm just. Young, good behavior. Anyway, well, these are tough times. I'm, I'm hopeful that the, the angels of the, the nations and the angels of the churches are getting it done. I think they are. I, I like you. I tend to try to look at the universe as white with black spots instead of all black with only a few white spots, but.

25:56 Yeah, that's such a good vision. I am definitely an optimist and like you said earlier, it's definitely a comfort, a comfort blanket, a comforting experience to have this greater vision of eternity and where we're going that I, I want to share. And so I'm so glad we're having this conversation is particularly towards non Urantia book readers who don't know yet and and just you out there listening to this. Just Can you imagine this eternal adventure that you have the potentiality, the progressive, take your time, be patient, understand that this planet, you're I call it we're an embryonic stage, this first world of your existence and take it to just learn, experience so much.

27:04 Be kind, understand your emotions, understand how you're living in a human body, this animalistic thing. They as you progress through the levels of universal reality, this human form is going to be shifting into a more spiritual form. So you so starting on this world, just get just get clean and clear and start understanding how your relationships and and communication and filling your mind with beneficial information and then using it to the service of the greater good in your family and your community and your nation so that we can all bring the air of light in life right now.

27:57 That's my hope. Well, that's true, yeah. Take adopt the attitude, you know, once you accept your citizenship to the Kingdom, you know, it's like you have your passport in your hand and and go about if you can to make a difference. But what you're doing, I think going and trying to establish a Urantia center. Is that what you're No. It's we've definitely Jill and I, although we are Urantia big students, we both agree that the spiritual center is not just even for spirituality. Some of our retreats are just going to be cultural tourism. Yet we can also have service projects for people who want to come over and be a tourist but also serve.

28:45 Or we're also going to be having inner work retreats for couples, for small groups, even for families. So it's gonna a lot of ways. It's gonna. Look like 19. 65 and you're gonna have flowers in your hair and well, this is a hippie. Hippie dippie? No, no, I don't like that. Word, Donovan Music and here comes the Ma Rishi. Maheshi locations. This is definitely modern and we're both grounded in all aspects of creativity and intellectualization and living the teachings and it's. Well, I'll be curious to see how you think it is over there. Do you think maybe we have a minute here, but I'll just ask you this question.

29:40 What's up with the Muslim thing? You know, I don't know what to make of that. What do you think the Urantia viewpoint of Islam should because the Urantia book kind of explains it. This is my interpretation and the reason I'm having an issue is it because I don't think that it's a very tolerant, the teachings don't seem as tolerant. I'm sorry, but I just, if you had to, you know, compare quality. I just think that the teachings of the true teachings of Jesus could be greatly beneficial and take some of the edge off and maybe improve some of the quality of life for women who who live in Islamic countries. Do you think that they're ever going to just kind of they seemed like they want to take over the world and they want they want to make everybody bow And, and I just don't think that that's going to be something that appeals to many people in the 21st century to you.

30:37 Well, the first thing when you said Muslim, I thought of women's equality and I then I my second thought was the Urantia book, which I adore. This concept is you're going to find truth anywhere. And because we're an evolutionary planet towards the era of light and life. And for those of you who don't know, nations are going to be we're going to be one world, we're going to be 1 spirituality and one family. Not next week, Eventually. Well, I think it's thousands of years from now.

31:20 However, if we if we get that concept in our mind now, we can start working towards that goal. So when I think about any dogmatic institution and then separate it from the word religion, that's I think one of my darmic purposes in life right now is to expose the true definition of the word religion is you and your personal experience with the God moving through you. So the whole conversation about dogmatic institutionalized quote UN quote religion is this none of that is going to be reality thousands of years from now because everybody is going to understand that it's we're we're all one thing moving forward, one entity as a family and I don't see well, what I do see you said something about one them wanting to take over the world.

32:26 All people want to take over the world, all cults and cultures and. They all we want theirs in the world, don't we? I mean, isn't that what we're trying to do is take over the world with this new idea? I. Think people wanting, taking over their inner world as individuals is the most important thing and understanding that we're all doing it together and we're in this ripple effect of what it can be when you get to know yourself as a piece of the greater whole. So that the the Muslim, Christian, Jewish, like any, any of that conversation is a whole nother conversation. That actually is less important to me than than getting the point across that we're all in this together. And that is the most important recognition of moving forward. Yeah, I don't think the AL Shabaab would would agree with you on that.

33:30 But this is the thing. Religion is like, you know, a eating utensil. OK. And if that was the case, Christianity would be a fork and Islam would be chopsticks. And at some point, you have to say to the person, you know, the fork is a lot better than the chopsticks, I guarantee. Just give it a try. Let me introduce you to my friend Jesus. He's got a whole bunch of stuff to tell you about and, and I wish I could have that conversation. When you go to Europe, I want you to try to have that conversation with somebody just to see what they say to you, because that, that's what everybody's fighting about domination. Everybody wants to exert their ideology on everybody else. And it doesn't matter if you're a technocrat or if you're an ideologue or a religious leader, that that's, you're right. Everything has to start with with the person, not so much the group, the person, the people within the group and eventually we will figure it out.

34:28 It's just it's going to be a hell of a ride. And I think that's. It is a wonderful adventure, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, just. See how far we've come, and that is what gives me hell. We have come so far and we're totally in an era 100 years later after we received the revelation that people are waking up to this fact. And even though the global leaders may not or the religious leaders may not be holding this, I know that there is a deeper river of individuals who are waking up to this fact and doing something about it.

35:11 I know it. Yeah, well, I like your optimism. Have a good time, be safe. And when you come back, you can share with us some of your experiences. It's kind of like when you know, Jesus got on the boat with the 2 Indian fellows and went and visited Rome for the first time. So you're going to, you're going to have a hell of a time. Be very interesting. Well. It'll be a long, it'll be a long trek. This is a long term stay, so I know that we'll have more conversations while I'm over there. And if I know you probably have social media. So if you want to tell people how they can keep in touch with you, go ahead and give that information out. Yeah, well, April helen.com has all of it and I'm on all the socials and I'm getting more and more involved in things. And I did start a school S kool.com making ripples and it is for all things improving your art of living through mind, body and spirit.

36:15 And it's a growing community of UB and non UB students. And so we welcome you over there anytime. And thanks again to April Helen, we'll see you the next time. And when you're back from your next journey here on your Rancho Radio podcast, don't forget to stop by the website yourranchoradio.org. We'll see you next time.