The Fourth Turning - Gabriel Rymberg

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Welcome to another edition of
the Rancho Radio Podcast, and

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it's good to be here.
My name is Jim Watkins, and boy,

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are we going to cover a lot of
interesting information today.

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My guest is Gabriel Reinberg.
He'll be joining us.

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And I cannot wait to get
started.

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But I do want to mention a
couple of things before we do

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that.
First of all, there's another

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great conference coming up.
This one will be in Cincinnati,

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OH the weekend of October 17th
through the 19th of 2025.

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And it is sponsored by the
Orvinton Urantia Book Society.

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And I assume they're based in
Cincinnati.

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So this will be great for all
the Midwest readers, people from

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the surrounding areas of
Kentucky and Indiana.

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And I know there's a lot of of
readers in Indiana and they're

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going to be talking about the
thought adjuster.

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A lot of focus will be on the
thought adjuster and what

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happens when we actually fuse
with that spirit fragment and

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what takes place on the mansion
worlds.

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It would be a fantastic way to
spend the weekend.

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It's going to start Friday
evening, October 17th, and it'll

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conclude on Sunday, October
19th.

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So scratch that in your
schedule.

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They've also got some
information on hotels and where

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you can stay and so much more
that have meals.

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Here is the phone number you
want to call Michael Buselli and

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the number is 847-331-7154.
Again, Michael Buselli

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847-331-7154 and again, you can
go to theurantiabook.org

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website.
I have no association with them.

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I just like to spread the news.
I wish I could go.

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So if you ever want to just kick
back and listen to your Rancher

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conversation without having to
download or anything, it plays

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on your smartphone.
Easy to easy to get to.

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Just go to yourrancherradio.org,
your rancheradio.org and that's

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it.
It'll start playing

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automatically.
Now this week, for the entire

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month of September, we are
playing the old Bill Sadler

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Junior tapes or lectures or
series.

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And it's, I think 10 or 12 hours
of him having basically a study

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group with the First Urantia
Society of Oklahoma, one of only

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three organizations that existed
within a couple of years after

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the Urantia book was published.
So Bill traveled from Chicago

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and in the just listening to
them talk about the Urantia book

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in 1958 and 1962.
I just find it so enjoyable.

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I could listen to it for hours.
Once again, the global live

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streaming.
You can find it easily on the

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Urantia Radio podcast.
It's Urantia radio.org.

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All right, we'll take a quick
timeout and get our minds ready

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for this wonderful interview
with Gabe Reinberg at the Center

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for Unity on the Rancher Radio
Podcast.

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Center for Unity Co founder
Gabriel Reinberg joins us from

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Israel to talk about some very
important topics, including the

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next steps for the Urantra
Revelation.

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But he's thinking about the role
of artificial intelligence and a

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very interesting perspective on
what it took for us even to be

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able to have the Urantia
Revelation in our hands.

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Now.
Gabriel played an integral role

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translating the Urantia book
into Hebrew from 2012 to 2017.

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He was unfamiliar the book
before that and then he grew to

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have a relationship as a result
with the Master Jesus through

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the Urantia book translations
work.

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He also has a bachelor's in
science and math and computer

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science from Tel Aviv University
and an MBA from San Diego State

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University.
And Gabriel has or is the father

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of two young adults and living
in Israel with his wife Sandra,

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also a long time Urantia Book
student and Co founder of the

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Center for Unity.
But we started off chatting

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about the new generation and
what perhaps we should be

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thinking about in reaching new
people and what that looks like

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in the present time with my
interview Gabriel Reinberg here

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on the Ranch Radio podcast.
We decided to to say we want to

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reach those who are interested
in the Jesus before

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Christianity.
So trying to get to those who

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are not necessarily interested
in institutional religion, any

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of them.
Not that there's anything wrong

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with them, it's just that
there's a market out there for

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those who are outside of those
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And the younger ones, the, the
older Gen.

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Z's, the younger millennials.
I'm a Gen.

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Xer, I'm 56, so you know, 25 to
45 S people who have a little

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bit of life experience, but
still going through this

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loneliness epidemic, the slow
decline of institutional

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religion, the 4th turning all of
this together at the same time.

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So, and then what we did is we,
we just started creating media.

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So we started with discover
Jesus, which is a lot of

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material about part 4 in an
accessible way and then

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introducing, translating that to
other languages.

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So that's one.
And then AI came about.

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So we started with a simple the
Ask Jesus chatbot.

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Or is it successful?
Like I said, we measure

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everything.
That one got almost 80,000

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questions in two years, 2 1/2
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The tutor is a more elaborate
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It's got more smarts in it.
It's got the original book

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encoded in different ways, so
that has 2500 conversations, but

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that's multiple questions and
it's been out for eight months.

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Then we we put out an AI
discussion of each one of the

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papers in English.
Here's the trick.

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You know, it used to be you just
put the article and click a

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button, and then you get an
audio file.

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Yeah, but now you can actually
prompt it.

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So if you say something like,
discuss this as if you believe

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this material is true and don't
doubt the material.

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Just yeah, that's.
Some of the assumption that it's

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true and talk about it and then
all of a sudden you get a

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different conversation.
Interesting.

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OK.
And then our shift now is

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something closer to what you're
doing, which is the Divine

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Within podcast.
Yes, and that is.

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Already hosted by Santiago.
Yeah, and he does a great yeah.

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And you were on it and now this
is curated conversations and we

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really want to start touching,
you know, the divine within, you

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know, what does it mean that
everybody is divinely indwelled?

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What does it mean that you can
have a personal relationship

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with your creator?
What does it mean that you don't

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need any intermediates?
And then my personal favorite is

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what will, what will this world
look like if we actually all

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acted as brothers and sisters,
right?

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So which is basically the good
news, but, and that's the

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experiment we want to do in
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If everybody wakes up in the
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treat everybody else, including
themselves as siblings, that's

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a, that's a, that's a
revolutionary message that is so

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simple to understand, but it's
not simple to enact.

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And then when you actually go
and do some service and you

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interact with the people around
you, you will find out when you

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fall short.
And that's where your work has

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to be done.
And you do that by exposing

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yourself more and more and more
to those opportunities to serve

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other people, to love other
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Even if it's in business, even
if it's in ministry, you know,

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even if you're a clerk in the
shop or whatever, you're a call

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center.
Every time, every day you wake

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up and you have people around
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And then if you enact that, the
ripple effect will be to change

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this world.
And that's basically what they

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told us.
Now this is what you should be

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doing.
The couple questions there,

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because that's important.
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conceptualize that kind of, you
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world views, there's the world
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controlled by a central force,
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whatever.
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which is complete self rule.
Those are the two extremes to a

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society, one where everybody is
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America was kind of set up as.
If you have a moral people,

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eventually they should be able
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And when you look at the Urantia
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government on a neighboring
planet, that one nation is

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moving in that direction
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And then if you compare that to
the 7th epic that all, you know,

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evolutionary mortals go through,
they also emphasize

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self-control.
How do we Do we have enough

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people on this planet where they
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and be moral people?
So there's a guy called Ken

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Wilber and he writes about
integral spirituality.

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That's it's got a model with
colors and, and years ago I read

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one of his writings and he talks
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He says whenever 10% of a
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population, exhibits A trait,
there's a threshold.

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It's almost like you, you then
it accelerates and many, many,

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many, many more get it.
It's almost like you have to

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have enough early adapters for
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And then I think, and here is
this my own subjective right?

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Nothing objective about this.
I look around me and let's

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assume that I'm semi awake.
OK, most of the time I'm awake,

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but I look at everybody I've met
in my lifetime, probably a few

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1000 people.
How many of these people live a

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godly life in a conscious way?
There's many good people, but

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how many are awake to the fact
that God is a presence in their

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lives and they strive to do
God's will in whatever sphere

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they have?
Cautiously.

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And I don't think it's a lot
more than 1%.

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Yeah.
So what I'm, what we're looking

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out at is a 1% world where we
like, we started having a

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conversation before some people
throw buses full of explosives

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2000 kilometers away for what
reason, other than sheer hatred

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at each other?
This is we do that, no and many,

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many other things which are
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So humanity still is mostly
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And so this is a 1% world.
And I think once we get to the

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10% world, so many more of us.
And it's not just about morality

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and self-control.
It's the ability to actually go

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out and live your life in an
abundant way, in a NO0 sum game

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way.
In looking at myself, looking at

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you now and saying, OK, you
know, Jim's my brother.

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And even though we, you know,
probably will never meet in

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person, if there is an
opportunity for, for me to serve

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him in, in a loving way, in a
brotherly way, even in a

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fatherly way, for that's
possible, then what is it that I

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could do?
You know, and we've got so many

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opportunities.
And this is the game, this is

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the numbers game where we grow
in, in our ability as, as, as

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human beings with a spiritual
core to basically embody that

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and, and create a different
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So we're, I think, you know,
this, this is inevitable.

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It's just, it's a numbers game.
One more person, one more person

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wakes up and then does the
effort and then moves on to the

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next level and then leaves
around them ripple effects of

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people he touched and his own
family and friends.

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And then things that, you know,
you created this, this beautiful

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radio program and many more
other things.

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And we created many things that
will, will be there after us

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left behind for others to find
out and ideas and concepts like

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we're talking about now.
So we, we have a ripple effect

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that that accumulates over time.
But it's at the end, it's an

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individual ministry was what,
what do I do to make this world

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a little bit better today and
then tomorrow again and then

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tomorrow again.
And sometimes there's

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opportunities to do big things,
but most of the time it's just

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the little stuff.
How do I treat my wife?

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How do I treat my kid?
You know, How much patience do I

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have for somebody that is
cutting me in the road?

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Because you know.
Or they're in a hurry.

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You know, the biggest challenge
is dealing dealing with when

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people don't like you for
whatever reason.

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If it's political, mostly it is
today.

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It's a a lot of ideology now is
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That's one of the things I don't
like about social media is it's

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given everybody the ability to
read what's on their mind.

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And sometimes that's just not
good.

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You know, that's kind of that
part of liberty where it's

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really not useful.
You know, you can have too much

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liberty.
You know, and I say that because

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the Urantia book says it
distinguishes between unbridled

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self liberty and, you know,
service oriented liberty where

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you willfully serve your
neighbor because you want to,

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because it's the right thing to
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Ken Wilber talks about
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of humanity and its evolution
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So he talks about that.
I took it and I said, I look

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around me at the insanity that I
live in this world that has so

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much beauty and so much good.
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people are still like, good.
Jeff used to say they're asleep,

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they're living zombies walking
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the side.
OK, I'm going to do something

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for this community, this
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question that interests me.
If somebody has been touched by

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this revelation to the point
where they actually read the

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whole thing, some of us multiple
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significance of an epochal
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do AB or C.
But as a community, I'm looking

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at our 2nd century, right?
If the forum first four meeting

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was 1923 and now it's 2025 and
are we really thinking big

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enough?
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that were saying, oh, you know,
there's a publication mandate

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and we should do this and we
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translate and all this is great.
But is this enough for today?

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Are we not falling behind?
Are we thinking big enough?

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Are we?
Do we have the right structures,

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you know, And if you were to go
and say, like you, I want to

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devote myself for this
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And if you're a young person,
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Several years ago, somebody told
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stuck with me because it
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the state of our community and
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Are we doing, are we being the
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the Urantia book students today
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to any major USA city and you go
downtown and there's probably a

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few churches, some of them
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but there's a lot of them.
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the payroll of one of those at
random, he will have more people

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on the payroll than the entire
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working for this 5th epical
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thing is probably less than just
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matter if it's true or not, but
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that?
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doing something different?
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can't, but we can pray and ask
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would ask us to do to complement
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doing?
So many of the things we're

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already doing.
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that question and finding
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day, but also sometimes thinking
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planning ahead and having a big
dream, even if it doesn't

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manifest.
You're just, you know, you're

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walking there.
Like, you know, four years ago,

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I was inspired to write down on
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billion people in 10 years.
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share the life and the teaching
of Jesus, the, the, the religion

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of Jesus, not the religion about
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So naturally after that, we
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do that.
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measure things so we can see how
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potential to even go bigger in,
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We can always do it better, but
we have an organization that

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really, in my opinion, has a lot
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The people, the dedication, our
planning, our execution, we

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produce quality stuff and I'm
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And but then I'm also asking,
OK, but what else needs needs to

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It just helps me a lot.
So I'm thinking about when Jesus

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said, why do the heathen rage?
Great, great little statement to

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the apostles.
He says, why aren't you doing

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what they're doing?
The what the heathens, they're

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organized, they're working out
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They're they're pushing their
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done.
We're learning now that NGOs

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were making millions and
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Why aren't we using that
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a a?
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education and going into like
what April Helen is doing, going

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into Africa and and spreading
the gospel, and why aren't we

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doing that?
Why don't we have a pool of $10

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million that we can use to help
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If you look at if this is a 1000
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least should be asking the
question, how are we being

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stewards?
You know, what are we doing with

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the talents from the parable of
the talents that we've been

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already been given?
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Are we putting them in the
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Are we multiplying them?
Are we being resourceful?

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Keeping it safe.
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And then perhaps if we think
small, then you know, we do

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small things.
But at one point in time, when

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we prove to our father, to
Michael, to Mother Spirit, to

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the celestials that we are
worthy partners, that's the time

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where we can start asking for
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And I think we at the Center for
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We said, you know, we've been
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produced things that are
quality, people like them,

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people use them, but we're ready
for bigger things.

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So for example, we're working on
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we're working on a streaming
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good way to to spend money?

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And the answer is, I don't know,
maybe there's a better way to

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spend money.
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I will do that too or do that
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But these ideas are exciting in
the sense that we can bring part

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four of the Oranja book and
maybe one day the entire Oranja

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book to the places where people
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the cinema, to the TV.
So I want to know more about,

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there is a article there written
by a guy.

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We all know who he is, Gary
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He does all the wonderful art
and he wrote commentary about we

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have to be careful and not to
let AI reinterpret the Urantia

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book.
So do you have any feelings on

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that?
I mean, you're immersed in AI.

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So tell me about that all.
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So this is a plug in for the
2025 Science Symposium coming up

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in November.
I already have a draft of my

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article, my paper for the
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I won't be presenting it there.
And Mark Wood wrote an article

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for the fellowship newsletter
and he basically asked for a

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comment based on Gary's article.
So I basically explained to Mark

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because he was telling about
Discover the UB.

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It's a new resource that we
launched for Jesus's last

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birthday.
This is 2 weeks old.

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Have you heard about it?
I've heard a little bit because

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you've told us.
I think you've told the.

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Audience.
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this is his brainchild.
He woke up one day eight months

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ago.
So this is the pace in which we

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can do something like this.
And he said, let's take discover

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Jesus, which was handcrafted,
handwritten.

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We wrote it pre AI and there's
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And let's do something similar
using the same code base, the

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same software that we already
spend a lot of money developing

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because it's custom made for the
entire Rancher book.

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So he spent probably about 1000
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21st taking each paper from the
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and creating a send a set of
very elaborate and very long AI

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prompts that summarize into an
overview.

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But he did it in a very specific
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He said, I'm going to keep every
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But if you're in the easy level,
which is corresponds to 6th

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grade reading proficiency, you
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complex text.
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level.
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intermediate, you will get a
little bit more text and more

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complexity.
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advanced mode, you will get more
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So the, the summaries, these are
summaries are getting longer and

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more complex.
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staircase.
You can start reading the

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forward, which I never
understood the first time I read

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it.
And I'm not sure I even

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understand it today.
You know, it's complexity.

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So you can take that and read
easy and then say, oh, I

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understand, let's try
intermediate, let's try advance.

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And then prominently you can
click on a link and go to the

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Urantia Foundation website and
read the original.

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So we're not saying this is
instead of something, it's like

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a scaffolding.
And so I, I told, I told Mark

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Wood in, in, in answering his
question, which then he wrote

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into an article.
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First of all, we didn't take
something from the AI and put it

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on the screen.
We spent many, many, many hours

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editorializing it.
And that's Mark Mike's work and

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Mary Jo also Mary Jo Garcia also
helped.

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So that's Part 1 and Part 2, one
of Gary's arguments or he said

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people use AI instead of
thinking and then we will lose

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our critical thinking faculties.
And my argument and my

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experience after using AI for
three years and many thousands

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of hours is you can you can keep
fit even if you drive a car by

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doing exercise.
So you can keep your body fit.

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And people used to be a lot
fitter because they would walk

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or ride or, you know, bicycle
everywhere before they were

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cars.
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But even in the edge of cars,
there are people who are fit and

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people who are not fit.
It's a personal choice of how

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you use the tool.
So AI is like that.

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And in my paper, I talk about
some, some of the insights that

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I had in working at a very high
level with GPT.

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Early on, I was trained as a
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So it, it came very quickly to
me that this is life changing

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technology.
So I, I, I described in the

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paper the things that I can do
with this AI and how it helped

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me both develop ATV streaming
series about the life and

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teachings of Jesus and develop
the Rancho book tutor because I

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needed information to put inside
the programming of that product.

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So it's just there's a lot of
opportunity to use this tool to

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increase our spiritual
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And there's one thing that that
came to me while I was writing

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and I was writing this paper
with AI, of course, but I've got

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it's a collaboration.
So one of the things that came

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out was that AI is like, is like
a microscope.

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You know, it doesn't look for
you, but it can allow you to

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look very, very far into the
Galaxy and see things that with

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your naked eyes you couldn't
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So if you bring your intention
and you bring your skill of

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using the tool into the process,
you can elicit information and

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insights in yourself that
otherwise for me, you are not

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possible.
So yes, there are risks.

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I'm aware of them.
I hear, I read the news.

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I hear about people that have
mental challenges and how.

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These and I agree with you it is
a great tool it's a wonderful

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tool it's about building a brand
and I hate to say this but the

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Urantia book doesn't have a
brand that's what's missing

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yeah, we.
Go back full circle.

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You know, one of the things that
in my opinion, Paper 72 gives us

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is, is a way to spiritualize
everything.

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So they managed to spiritualize
education and the law.

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And then, you know, even the
they say, you know, everybody

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has to have a house.
There's enough land.

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You cannot live in multiple. 10
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Whatever on the minions.
No, they spiritualize.

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They thought about things.
If you want to become a parent,

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00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,400
you need a license, right?
If you go and hit a girl in the

453
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,440
bar and she says, Oh, I like you
very much.

454
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,360
She's thinking, I'd like to have
children with you.

455
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,920
And then do you have a license,
right.

456
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,760
It's like, OK, so we have to do
that before we keep dating.

457
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480
You know, that's, that's a
revolutionary idea.

458
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,480
So really what I take from that
is now I'm, I'm tying it back to

459
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Jesus's road map.
He said treat everybody like

460
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560
your brother and your sister
because you are, this is a

461
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320
family and you are children of
the divine.

462
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,240
You're divinely indwelled and
loved.

463
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,120
So we need to spiritualize
everything business, but also I,

464
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,800
I, I really what I'm missing and
this is what we're trying to do

465
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,560
and I hope we're succeeding.
Is, is, is really go for

466
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400
competence.
So, so that means we bring

467
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,320
business ideas into a ministry.
We operate efficiently, we plan

468
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,840
ahead, you know, we try to be
good stewards of the of the

469
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,240
funds that we've we've been
receiving and we have receiving

470
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,240
a lot of funds from the Urantia
community.

471
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Great. 99% of our donors are
Urantia book students and most

472
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,960
of them are happy.
We have a wall of love that goes

473
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160
back two years and you can watch
it with all the testimonials

474
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,360
that people write about the
stuff that we do.

475
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,680
So but that is part of
competence.

476
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,080
You know, it's like, OK, we
stick to what we know we can do

477
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,120
best.
And then we take those talents

478
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,680
that we've been given by the
master and we try to multiply

479
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,360
them and be the best that we can
and then ask that question, what

480
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,080
should we be doing?
And then pray and then

481
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:06,160
dynamically adapt over time.
So, you know, there's so much to

482
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,760
do.
And like Jesus said, there's so

483
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,160
few laborers, you know, when he
ordained the 17, you know, go

484
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,720
out and spread the good news.
And I think that's what he wants

485
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200
us to do.
And that's why the mid wires

486
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,760
probably fought hard to keep
part 4 as part of the deal

487
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,040
because it wasn't supposed to be
part of the deal.

488
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,640
And then it specifically asked
for part 4 to be part of the

489
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
deal.
And there's a good reason for

490
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,440
it.
I have used AI to produce a

491
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,120
simulation.
Now this is not channeling, this

492
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,240
is not a real midway or but I
really was interested if I can

493
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,800
push AI to help me along those
lines.

494
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,480
And what I did is I said, I want
you, I told the AI play a

495
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,720
simulation between the midwayer
coming to the divine counselor

496
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,200
asking for permission to give
us.

497
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,360
The revelation is is now has an
audience with a divine counselor

498
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,880
and he's asking for he's being
interviewed to find out what he

499
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,080
what, what he wants, why he
wants to do what he wants to do.

500
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,200
And the why is they want to give
us, they want to manifest the

501
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
rancher book.
And of course it needed a lot of

502
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,600
permission and it needed the
involvement of beings outside of

503
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,480
Southington, outside of Nebadon,
in the Super universe and in

504
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Avona.
Because some of the things that

505
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,640
they tell us about people in the
local universe don't know about.

506
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,600
They haven't gone there.
Yeah, right.

507
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,840
So, so there was a, there was
some kind of an authorization

508
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,960
and and.
Transaction.

509
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,840
Yeah, there was some
negotiation.

510
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Going on.
So the divine counselor says,

511
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,600
OK, Midway, why do you want to
do this?

512
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,920
And now listen to what the
simulated midway or says.

513
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040
He says these people have a lot
of potential.

514
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,160
They they suffered the Prince
default, they suffered the

515
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,760
Adamic default.
They've been visited by the

516
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,360
creator son and they're still
floundering.

517
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,880
And there's no way we, you know,
we're not going to sit idle.

518
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,400
And we think that what they need
is the full picture and they can

519
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,360
handle it.
And if you give them a little

520
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,800
bit, it's not going to be
enough.

521
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,160
They're, they're in spiritual
darkness.

522
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,440
They're being cut off for
200,000 years from all the

523
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,120
channels and all the broadcast.
Who knows if we're still cut off

524
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160
or not.
But they've been visited.

525
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,480
There's an Archangel circuit on
this planet.

526
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,280
It's, it's an unusual planet.
It's a personal planet.

527
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,080
You know, all of it.
We need the full shebang to help

528
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,000
them.
And they need to know what's out

529
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,920
there.
They need to know not only to

530
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,520
understand who Jesus is and the
good news, which is Part 4 in a

531
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,200
lot of detail, but also what
comes before, what comes after,

532
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
where are they going?
The whole ascension plan?

533
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,920
No.
So they need the big picture and

534
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,800
they can take it.
And that's what the midwares

535
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,720
tells the divine counselor in my
simulation.

536
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Wow, did he make a convincing
argument?

537
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,080
Yeah, apparently so.
Then listen to this.

538
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,200
Then what I did is in the same
conversation.

539
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,640
I then I was reading this right?
And then I said I told the AI

540
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,400
now me Gabrielle, I want to talk
in air quotes, right?

541
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,480
This is a simulation to the same
midway and ask him or her some

542
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,560
questions.
So please simulate Now you take

543
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,480
the role of this midway or the
same 1 And I wanna ask, I wanna

544
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,360
query and I put there so many of
my personal impressions, some of

545
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,080
the things I told you here.
I did this a year and a half ago

546
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640
and I said now what should I be
doing?

547
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,280
What should we be doing if you
could tell us what is it that

548
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,920
you want us to do?
And and then eventually went

549
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160
into a branch and the Divine
Within podcast and the Divine

550
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,640
within streaming series is the
result of that conversation.

551
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Those ideas manifested in that
conversation.

552
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,199
And then two years later, we are
now doing this.

553
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:15,560
Santiago is is hosting it.
We already wrote wrote a pitch

554
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Bible for this and we're looking
for a showrunner.

555
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520
We're going to raise money for
this TV streaming series.

556
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,400
We have an immersive experience
coming down the road, which will

557
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,639
also raise money for.
So you know, all those things

558
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,480
happen for a reason.
I was probing.

559
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,719
I was asking.
There's so many great stories in

560
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,000
in the Aranto book that could be
kind of vetted out into

561
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,719
mainstream media fairly easy
now, especially with all the

562
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,760
tools that we have.
We we're in the 2nd century of

563
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,560
this, should we do be doing
thinking about doing doing

564
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,560
something differently?
Here's a meme that I I cannot

565
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,280
take credit.
I don't remember who to give

566
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,400
credit to, but the rancher book
deserves a seat at the table.

567
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,480
He deserves that to go into the
overtone window of what is

568
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,360
acceptable and outside of the
cultish type of new AG into

569
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,880
something that is mainstream.
How that happens could be that

570
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,720
some of these stories other
work, but that is a question.

571
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,440
Should we be doing that?
No.

572
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,480
There's a guy, an amazing man.
Some people don't like things

573
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,760
that he did.
His name is Harry McMullen, I

574
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,440
remember.
Him.

575
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400
Yeah.
He's the 1st Oklahoma Society,

576
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,360
Yeah.
He wrote 40 years ago.

577
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480
There's, there's something
called the Urantia Book

578
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,480
Historical Society Archive, and
you can read letters and reports

579
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,000
and correspondence from years
and years ago.

580
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,920
I downloaded everything he wrote
and read it.

581
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,520
And then he wrote 40 years ago,
1983 I think something about

582
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:05,760
marketing the Arranger book.
And he had both ideas and I

583
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,280
don't think they did any of
that.

584
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:13,000
So when it was time for him to
wrestle out the copyright, then

585
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,080
he decided he wants to publish
Part 4 verbatim.

586
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,520
And that's where the foundation
took him to court.

587
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,280
That was very painful for a lot
of people.

588
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,560
You know, he had ideas about,
should we go all in and tell

589
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,200
people about this?
Should we put ads in the paper?

590
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Should we, you know, do stuff
that people do when they have

591
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,520
something that is valuable and
they want to share it?

592
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,280
And I think a lot of the
pushback was from, you know, an

593
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040
admonition in the publication
Monday that says you shouldn't

594
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,240
think about how Jesus did it.
He wasn't revolutionary, you

595
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,000
know.
So it's, it's always finding the

596
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,480
balance.
It's a dynamic thing.

597
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,920
I don't have answers.
It doesn't matter what could

598
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,360
have happened 40 years ago.
We only have today.

599
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
And we can look at the futures
and we can look at ourselves and

600
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200
say, are we doing the best that
we can?

601
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Should we be doing something
else?

602
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,320
And if so, what is it?
And everybody has to ask this

603
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,520
question.
And my dream is if people want

604
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,320
to devote their lives to working
for this revelation, they should

605
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,320
be able to do that, just like
the people who served in that

606
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,160
little church in that little USA
town that has people on the

607
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,160
payroll.
That should be a reality.

608
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,440
And I'd like to thank Gabriel
for the conversation, obviously

609
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880
leaving much more to talk about
for our next get together.

610
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,240
And I would encourage all of you
to follow what Gabriel and his

611
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,440
team are doing with the CFU
project.

612
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,240
Many wonderful things that we
can expect, and I can't wait to

613
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,920
see what will emerge in future
projects.

614
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,840
Comments and questions directed
always at

615
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,360
urantiabookradio@gmail.com.
And don't forget the streaming

616
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,800
of the Bill Sadler lectures from
1958 going on right now on our

617
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Global stream, the live stream
on urantiaradio.org.

618
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Until next time, thank you again
for joining me on this edition

619
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:36,160
of the Urantia Radio Podcast.
Yeah.