Sign of the Times with guest Halbert Katzen

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Welcome to the ranch Radio
podcast.

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I'm Jim Watkins.
Howard.

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Katzen is the founder and
creator of you.

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Be the news.com, as well as his
latest Venture you be

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annotated.com.
I consider Howard to be a

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researcher of the finest order
of all things.

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Your aunt, you and certainly A
contributor to much of the

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academic research done over the
decades research that validates,

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the ranch over in this
conversation Halbert and I

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discussed the upcoming solar
eclipse and its unique ties to

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Urantia statements and
specifically his views on not

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hesitate personality.
We talked about at length in the

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previous podcast.
And so, let's welcome.

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However, cats into the show, is
from 2006 been working with the

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and the founder of creation.
Creator of the, you be the news

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project which adds a scholarly
approach to studying and

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Examining The Ranch Revelation,
so high, halberd, how are you?

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I'm doing good.
Jim, thanks so much for having

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me on your show, really
appreciate it, but one of the

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things, one of the reasons that
we have you on these podcasts,

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this will be your third
appearance is because we you

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have always been an inspiration.
To me in providing anecdotal are

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evidence towards the validity,
validity of the the papers.

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And in most recent times,
there's a particular event going

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on right now, which we'll talk
about.

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Out having to do with
Melchizedek match, Aventa, who

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I've become quite a fan of in
the last few weeks, and all the

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reading I've been catching up
on, and we're going to expound

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on who he is.
What what, what I think is

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pretty important stuff because
we could be in the middle of the

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tribulation period And I think
Halbert with that introduction,

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you attended the last solar
eclipse that we had back in.

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In 2017 and you are now living
in that area where the solar

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eclipse occurred, and there's
going to be another one in 2024.

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So can you tell us?
First of all, the significance

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of the eclipse and why you're in
Southern Illinois?

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Well yes, there's a number of
questions in that.

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Of course why I'm here with is
significant of it is and how it

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all converges.
And and it's fair to say that

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being in this area is very much
related to a particular branch

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of research and study AIDs that
I've been doing for the last

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Last few years and you
mentioned.

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I got started almost 15 years
ago now or so.

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With the you be the news project
that documented and continues to

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document how new discoveries in
scientific advances are

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increasingly supporting the
history.

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And Urantia book where the
authors of course put their

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credibility on the line with
that aspect of the Revelation,

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you know, saying that Going to
keep catching up to it that way.

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And, you know, one of the things
that sort of known for his doing

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like research and Reporting and
taking a less mystical, you

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might say, approach to it, not
to be cynical about people's

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personal inner experiences, but
I'm more of an academic type.

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And so the EB, the news project
eventually We evolved into a

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broader annotation project in
topical, studies project.

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And when that type of General
work led to a lot of focus on

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the eclipses because they came
up on our radar with such

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spectacular degrees of intrigue,
you know, as relates to the your

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ration book because the first
eclipse in 2017.

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Is on August 21st, which is
Jesus birthday.

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And the second eclipse on the
seven years later is on April 8,

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which is the day in the team,
according to the Urantia book.

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So and someone who like to do
research and annotations and

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study aids for the ranch of,
look, this for obvious reasons,

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became extremely intriguing.
You know, to get started within

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the more, I looked into the more
interesting.

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It it became so, you know, in
short, that's why I really

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enjoyed to be out here right
now.

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I don't know exactly what the
future holds, but as far as the

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work I do, this is The most fun
place to talk to people about it

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because this is where people are
most directly related to the

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intersecting eclipses.
And so, you know, just getting a

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conversation started that way
out here probably get, I don't

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know what percentage but, you
know, probably pretty good

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percentage of awareness a better
awareness than you might get in

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other areas.
So you're talking to people that

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are familiar with the Rancho
book or you are talking to

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people who are familiar with the
when you first found out that

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the, the second Eclipse which is
coming in 2024 and you first

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just realized, oh wait, that's
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what happened?
How did you react to that when

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you first sort of put the pieces
together?

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Right.
Well, you know, I think you

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mentioned during your comments
and correctly that I came out

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here in 2017 for that first
Eclipse, but I was living in

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California at the time, and I
moved out here and in mid

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December of last year of 2021.
So, I've just been out here,

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almost seven months now, I
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So I guess, I thought that
because you were in your

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newsletter, you were telling
people that that you were there

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for the event.
So, I So I falsely assumed that

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you had made the trip for that
specific event.

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So I stand corrected No, no, I
don't think so.

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I think the first time I made
the trip for the event in 2017

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and then I went back to where I
lived in California.

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I send that first about here was
for the event and only for the

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event.
And, you know, I came the event

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happened.
I left seven months ago.

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I moved out here.
Rights.

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Arising the tea different.
Well, it must have made an

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impact as you came back.
Yeah, yes more recently though

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because I moved out here and is
people may not be aware of

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exactly.
And should be said, specifically

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at the Bald Knob crosses piece,
which is almost the exact

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intersection of the path of
these two full solar eclipses on

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peculiar dates related to Jesus
life or important dates related

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to Jesus life.
They built that hundred eleven

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foot cross is part of having an
Easter Sunrise celebration.

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An Interfaith Easter celebration
for people in this community has

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been going on Bald Knob since
the early 30s and then the cross

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was I guess completed in 1963
the year after I was born.

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So we're about the same age
there and and so, I thought

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Wouldn't it be nice to get one
of those big you do antelope

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shofars?
To take to the Easter Sunrise

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Service?
What's a shofar?

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What's a shofar?
The like a shofar, a

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hollowed-out animal horn.
That is used in judeo.

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Christian religious ceremonies
and celebrations.

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I see the original far specify
Hide in the Old Testament, is a

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Ram's Horn.
And so that's what's blown at

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the New Year's Russia, China
service each year and

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nonetheless, the to do antelope
from Yemen, not too far away.

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And it's a bigger Longer, more
fun type of foreign and just,

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you know, sort of got adopted
into the Christian cultures of

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religious celebration.
Just because So, darn much fun

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as far as hollowed-out animal
there in the sky.

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You know, what can I say?
That's great.

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You found your passion.
Yeah, these kind of things

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Cohen, which was a descendant of
Aaron Moses brother.

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And so does bear mentioning that
I suppose, my ancestors were

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responsible for For the
prophecies in the Old Testament.

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I'm probably about as directly
related to them as well.

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Kidding.
You can get.

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Yeah.
Well, that's what What kind of

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got fed up 3,000 years ago?
And so it's certainly intriguing

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to me that I started coming
around to taking an interest in

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this after all these years of
not taking an interest in it and

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really kind of moving on from my
Jewish roots and in studies that

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way.
And the Urantia book is really

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brought together Prophecies from
the Old Testament and the New

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Testament and put them together
with the revelations of this

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epochal communication.
And, you know, his added

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richness to the study of all of
that.

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You know, I should have perhaps
been more sensitive, two decades

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ago and I first started reading
me Rancho book but you know, it

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just didn't seem so timely I
guess until then.

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Oops has showed up and then so
they're like the most intriguing

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thing I could think about.
So let's talk about that more

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because that's the whole point
that you and I are talking right

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now.
You think that Melchizedek,

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okay?
So first of all, let's explain

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to those who may not have a wide
understanding that we have to

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set, I guess a couple of
premises in order to appreciate

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the fullness of We're about to
discuss one of them is that one

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of them is that our our world or
our place here on this planet is

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not just random.
There Are Spiritual

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administrators, who care very
much about our progress.

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And they've been here the whole
time, and this is what the ranch

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a book says.
And part of this process, is

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that there is a seraphic,
planetary government, which

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simply states that we are under
the watch care and

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administration of celestial
forces.

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And spiritual personalities,
it's nothing more, nothing less,

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if you want to get into the
Weeds about it, but that's the

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basic, you know, premise that
we're took discussing at the

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head of the table at this time.
Is this Persona age named much.

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Aventa.
Melchizedek who is described as

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a high Son of God Christ is who
he serves Michael Jesus, and he

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was sent here or he came or he
has been part of our history for

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eons of time, which is all
detailed in the ranch of papers.

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But we're going to talk about
here is why we believe this

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person or how bird wants to
elaborate perhaps on why these

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times are significant.
Because it, it opens the door to

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the realization that this
Melchizedek may be coming and he

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met Harold in.
A new Epoch and that a lot of

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what we're going on now.
Maybe a, what would you call it?

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However Dupree.
I don't know.

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Like a precursor but let's go
having said all of that.

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Now it's your turn.
So thank you.

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That's a good foundation.
As you're suggesting, you know,

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it's good to get a little
Foundation, all of this, and you

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know, maybe in that Spirit of
it's really kind of going step

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by step with some ideas and
keeping them as accessible as

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possible and and relevant as
possible.

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Let me just pick up a little
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The blowing the shofar story out
here in Southern Illinois

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because I've been learning a lot
about.

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Indicating with people over the
last several months, simply

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because before the I got the
show for about a month before

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Easter this year, and as shofar
is a very unforgiving

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instrument.
I want to tell you, you know,

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anything it is, you know, maybe
a horn of God, but, you know,

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God is forgiving in the shofar
is not you.

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Either blow Oh that thing,
right?

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Or it just sounds awful and it
is so easy to blow it wrong.

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It takes a lot of focus.
So, I didn't want to disturb my

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neighbors too much.
So, I walked away from where I'm

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living apartments here and, you
know, wandered towards the

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University where they have a
power plant and it's always

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making noise.
Anyways, in those an open field

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nearby wants to be around there
and I started to practice a

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little bit before Easter, but it
wasn't very far from where I

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lived and not enough for
exercise.

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And so I eventually just Well, I
just keep walking around campus

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for the exercise and I still had
my shofar with me and I kept

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blowing, you know, and first I
wasn't too comfortable with the

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whole thing, but increasingly
got more comfortable with the

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whole process of doing it and
talking to people about it.

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And so, both blowing better
notes and having better

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conversations developed
Together.

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And So when people ask me, you
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it and how does that
conversation develop?

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As I mentioned you know it's a
cue to Antelope horn and a lot

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of people just have some
curiosity at the basic level of

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what is it and they don't have
any more curiosity much beyond

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that or time or interest, or
whatever and I tend not to To

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push the conversation about why
I'm blowing the horn and, you

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know, larger aspects of it all.
Unless it seems like there's a

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real opening and increasingly it
seems, as I've gotten better

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with my conversation about this,
people are coming up to me with

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more interest, maybe because it
denotes are getting blown better

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that help.
But it gets into conversation

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about, why am I doing it?
And what's it mean to me?

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And that's where I share with
people that I've been doing some

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research on the eclipses, etre
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and its course because I live in
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reference and and I mentioned to
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In some research that seems to
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the Jews didn't accept Jesus.
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comes in.
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are you familiar with to
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Testament and a lot of people
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mention that Abraham gave money
to milk his attack after after a

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battle, and that in Psalms, it
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After the order of Melchizedek
and let, it's a big mystery and

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you know, no one really has been
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reading a book for the last 40

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years that was published about
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And it says that Jesus was born
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tumors April 8.
And those are the dates of the

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eclipses and England out weird.
And and it seems like this

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Melchizedek figure works for
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and Sofia.
All the prophecies that Jesus

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didn't fulfill.
And so, you know, in about two

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minutes time and under to I give
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that ties together.
The solving of the mystery that

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everyone cares about to some
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world so much, you know.
And so just on that level there

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is relatedness and Of course,
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There's that type of relatedness
and I'm of peculiar character

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walking around with the forefoot
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So it has a sound that might say
really Prime's people for the

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occasion of the conversation to
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people are much more open than
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of the Judea Christian awareness
and others now you're not

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Wearing a white robe and you're
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Do you have a beard?
Are you calling yourself Enoch?

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Any of that?
Kind of, I hope you have a good

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sense of humor, but your you've
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So I think what you're doing.
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but it's interesting because you
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that you are through just your
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and the way that you tell them
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is kind of interesting.
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get to that because this is a
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This is what I know about you,
you've been heralding, this

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message that Then the time is at
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Do you believe that this is the
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Oh yes, I definitely do this
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We're in a time of tribulation
that's referred to and talked

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about in Christianity and that
this seven years between the

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eclipse is related to the
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referenced in the Urantia book
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Revelation and why. thanks by
Peter, and let's all put

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together and and it's been a
process of You know, figuring

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out what to believe and my
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to do about it, all has
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process.
That is hardly complete.

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But still, you know, as I said
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the first Eclipse, I said, I
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event to milk.
His back could show up for the

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first Eclipse.
It's not been bribed by this

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second eclipse and possibly
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In between, you know the funny
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aware of the eclipses, it wasn't
on my mind right away that this

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year. 2021 is the fourth down.
Thousand anniversary of milk is

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a tactic arriving on the planet
and you know, starting to teach

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Abraham and all the people
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So that makes this year and
interesting year, I don't know

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any particular date.
You know, is of particular

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significance.
I'm gonna enjoy Celebrating

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Jesus birthday at the cross.
No doubt this coming August.

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But you know, I don't Really
know obviously it's not what I

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want to say.
Most specifically is I don't

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have mystical experiences where,
you know, like I hear a voice,

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it says, X, Y or Z.
I'm just not having those types

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of experiences.
I'm doing research in.

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The more research I do, the more
it suggests The we're in the

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tribulation period and so that's
where it's not that I don't have

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all kind of weird mystical
experiences that have shown up

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in my life over the years and
continue to they're just not of

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that ilk where, you know, I sit
and meditate and talk to God and

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get answers, you know, it ain't
me, right?

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So, but you have enough facts at
your disposal now and you've

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determined that there is enough,
well, share some of that with

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us.
If we know that the dates are

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interesting because they both
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intersecting seven-year part.
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which we all remember the last
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But where they intersect is over
a, like Howard said, it's over

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across, which is what are the
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What are the chances that too?
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These Northern North America.
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Should we in America tag?
Any significance to the fact

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that it's a in America?
What are we looking for here?

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What Jesus said, look for the
signs of the of the tree leaves?

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What are the tree leaves, when
you're looking at the pandemic?

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All of that stuff Society
breakdown?

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Yeah, maybe there's a lot of
good questions in that first,

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let me just start with the fun.
Little factoid just too.

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Jump off with one of the first
questions that you brought up in

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this series.
And I loved all the questions

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arranged, but one has to do with
the location, in the

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intersection near the crossing
everything.

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And what I want to add to that
is that Like the exact

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intersection is a bit north and
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Knob crosses piece and it's in a
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And I was doing some research
online long day and not

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surprisingly, there is
Christians who have focused

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their attention on this issue.
They didn't need the Urantia

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book to, you know, make hay out
of what's going on.

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And there's one person was
taking a look at all this sale

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arms.
Because, of course, milk is a

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deck like event to Melchizedek
is responsible for Starting

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Salem which became Jerusalem.
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And so this person was looking
for all the towns called Salem

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along the path of the first
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Carolinas.
And you know, Salem Oregon was

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the first major city or, you
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whatever it is, you're the
eclipse path and then there were

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other states with similar, you
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But what the freaking weird and
fun about it more than anything

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is the fact that, right?
And I mean, right where these

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eclipses intersect is Salem Road
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My goodness Salem Road that tiny
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I mean, it did might be like a
quarter mile long or something,

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you know, and there's just a few
houses on it and narrow Lake and

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You know, there's hardly
anything there right and it's

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not a big old Street.
They you know, goes for miles or

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something and it's just right
there on sale over.

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That is amazing.
Yeah, yeah.

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Now is the next is the next
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Massachusetts.
Because it's going the opposite

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way, right?
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And so I don't know how but you
know that's the fun factoid, but

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there is a larger issue to
address.

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You know, I is, am I trying to
set some example for people?

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Hey, come on out here to
Southern Illinois because Back

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event the milk, is it?
Let's do the show up here, not

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there, you know, and I don't
know that I have any type of

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particular message for people
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It doesn't strike me as
particularly consistent with the

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teachings associated with
disinfect.

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Yeah, so for instance, you know
the teachings in the Urantia

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book, two interrelated different
processes and from will do a

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test and everything.
This is what gets us into this

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stuff where, you know, it says
like, you know, to will be in

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the field.
And one will be taken and the

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other will be left.
And you know, like a thief in

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the night, this will occur and,
you know, not the hour, which it

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comes and and it's more of his
General get right with the Lord,

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you know, there's their own kind
of repentance and and You know,

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just like be prepared for death,
the way one should be prepared

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for death every day.
Just because we're mortal and

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you never know when you get hit
by the big bus, right?

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You know.
And so it seems to me that these

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teachings emphasize This type of
thing you know rather than

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everybody needs to get to some
geographic location.

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I hear what you're saying.
You know.

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That's yeah, it doesn't make
sense just because it doesn't

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make sense for everybody doesn't
mean that doesn't make sense for

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me.
Personally, you know, as someone

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who's doing loads of research on
the topic and he's the kind of

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guy who enjoys to go out with
four foot long to Antelope

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shofar and blow it and talk to
people about this stuff, right?

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Very well suited for yours truly
but you know yeah it is not

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necessarily a monkey.
See, monkey do type exercise its

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being encouraged at all.
I don't See myself, as you know,

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that type of social leader, I
see myself as an educator at

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Harold, right.
You know, like that was a great

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word for it.
It's heralding it's like, hey,

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heads up, you know, this is
what's going on.

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And, you know, here's something
that we discussed previously,

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which is that not that many
people know about all these

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little dots that I call them
because they're all there dot.

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And they connect and they
connect in a way that is

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profoundly coincidental, but not
that many people know about it.

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So it's safe to say that you and
I can agree.

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And maybe people listening, we
know the days, maybe we may be

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similar to the seven crucial
years that are mentioned in

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Revelation pertaining to the war
in heaven with quotes, right?

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So now we're in this Modern Age,
you know, is this is this, an

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age of testing are We making
decisions, which determine our

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future as a human race.
Yes we are.

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Are we going to go down the road
of secularist humanism or are we

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going to, you know, conceive of
other kinds of realities and

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does muc much event to have a
role in this that I think?

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Is your, your bigger question?
What is his role in this?

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So can you write, right?
What do you think we're supposed

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to be doing and is this Clips
tied to that decision making

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process.
Are we?

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In fact in a period where the
you know the the what's that

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metaphor the sower?
You know the wheat and the chaff

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separating the two right?
Are we in that kind of period?

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Yeah yeah.
Yes I think that's what's going

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on and You know, and I put
myself right in that category,

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you know, there's all kind of
personal work and I need to do

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to get right with God.
It's just a never-ending.

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Well, eventually endings get to
Perfection, but yeah, this is a

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sorting out time.
And then Mac event to

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Melchizedek is it seems will
arrive when a very dramatic type

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of Getting out is going to go
on.

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So, let's first deal with the
first time period that were in

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the time of tribulation, the
first thing I want to say about

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this is as much as there are
things like pandemics or people

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are concerned about, you know,
the environment and all of this

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and War and so forth.
What really comes to mind is

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what's taught, about what does
it matter?

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If all things are actually crash
and look to the spiritual issues

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and the reason this seems so
obvious.

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Now an important to say is
because when I look at this

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nation, I see a country at war
with itself.

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Alarm all kind of ideological
lines and in deserve fundamental

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relationships to life and and
it's horrible, who's what's

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going on in the sense that it's
truly tearing apart families and

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friends.
And so like the pandemic you

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know you could call the pandemic
or a plan demick.

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It doesn't matter what your
belief is about the nature of

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the covid and how it got started
or what it is or anything like

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that.
What people can tend to agree on

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quite readily, no matter how
they think about that issue, is

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that people are fighting over
it.

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If you're really fighting over
it.

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Yeah, to just try and deal with
it and stay friends with family

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and friends.
And so on this level of

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spiritual testing, You know, and
this is what I mean.

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It's like it's hard for me to
try and figure out how to be

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00:34:55,500 --> 00:35:00,400
cool with everyone and not
taking a decision, is that many

449
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,200
other?
And it's a very testing Tom and,

450
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:10,200
and I think that we really need
to acknowledge that.

451
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:15,900
But ourselves that the disc,
this is the game where in, you

452
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:19,500
know, this is the game on part
of Of it, and it's happening

453
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,800
now.
And you don't have to wait or

454
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:28,200
wonder, or you know, any of us
can probably name 10 family and

455
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,400
friends with him.
It's very hard to have some

456
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600
discussion about important
matters at the day.

457
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,100
I would agree, right?
Yes.

458
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Yes.
All right.

459
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:41,600
And that's tragic.
That's a heartbreak.

460
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,900
And that that is in the way.
This is affecting children and

461
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,700
everybody Young.
Old, all reasons, male female,

462
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,900
you know, we're in this together
and its immense.

463
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,800
And so one of the things that I
mentioned to people when I go

464
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,300
out and do the herald and I talk
to people about how Mak event to

465
00:36:04,308 --> 00:36:10,400
Melchizedek works for Jesus, and
the reason that there were

466
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:14,900
prophecies for Jesus coming and
then prophecies for Melchizedek

467
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,600
coming back at has to do with.
Why did you choose weren't

468
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,500
satisfied with Jesus mission?
That is they wanted the mess

469
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:26,700
cleaned up now.
They were like willing to be

470
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,300
patient about it.
You know, they'd heard about

471
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:33,200
these other prophecies, new
heaven, new Earth, righteous

472
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,100
judge, but yeah, bring it on,
you know, and they were getting

473
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,700
that from Jesus.
But what I explained to people

474
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:46,800
is Jesus came with the message
for how we can do

475
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,500
self-correction.
And they people need to do what

476
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,900
they already know they should
do.

477
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,900
The basic difference between
right wrong being selfish versus

478
00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:05,700
being in service and you know,
all kind of stuff like busy

479
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,600
people have trouble.
Finding the courage and the

480
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:17,000
faith in the belief but it's I'm
suggesting not so much an issue

481
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:23,800
of really having a knowledge or
understanding appreciation for

482
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,200
how to live a better life.
All of us have so many areas

483
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,800
where we can look and go where I
could look much better like that

484
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,300
area.
You know, I know I'm not the

485
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:42,400
only one, I'm definitely wanted
a lot of growth. to do, and Mac

486
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,200
event, Melchizedek is going to
show up in by his presence.

487
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,100
And by saying to people hey
y'all need to read the your

488
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,300
answer book, get your heads
together, get right with

489
00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:02,600
science, get your ideologies out
of the way of backs, you know.

490
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,500
this is where, you know, people
understand that there is time

491
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:14,200
for self correction and then
there's time for, you know, wait

492
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,700
till your father gets home and
in this case, Mac event to knock

493
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:22,800
his attacker Bice, Jaron
planetary, Prince is Our

494
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,800
planetary, father.
No in this regard.

495
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,000
Is there enough time to get your
opinion on how you think

496
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,600
Christians would react to
something like this?

497
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:58,500
I mean would they be?
that works for Jesus, and that

498
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:04,200
the reason The Jews didn't
accept Jesus was because of what

499
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,800
I just got done explaining to
you.

500
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,800
I explained that to Christians.
I try to be brief and succinct

501
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,200
as I can about it.
You know, just take a minute and

502
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,500
the general concept is received
glass Fleet.

503
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,900
Like it's like big news, you
know, people are happy as

504
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:25,100
Christians to hear some new
thoughts about.

505
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:28,600
Why did you didn't accept Jesus
that goes down easy?

506
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,700
You know what I mean?
Like, you did just now.

507
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:51,500
Make friends that way, right?
People feel something's up this

508
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:57,200
world is getting weird and tense
and tribulation people feel in

509
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,400
all kinds of ways.
No matter what they believe or

510
00:39:59,408 --> 00:40:07,500
don't believe, but, The
predicting Jesus is going to

511
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:12,000
return.
Has happened so many times.

512
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,100
And based upon people's
interpretation of the prophecy.

513
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,900
That there is an ear for it
anymore.

514
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,300
Exactly.
You know why people have some

515
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,000
openness to it?
Because times are what they are,

516
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,600
but at the same time, they've
heard it all before.

517
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:37,400
And so if you come to people
with your new interpretation of

518
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,700
the prophecies and the sons of
the tongues, and why Jesus is

519
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:46,500
coming back, it is more of the
same old story that way and then

520
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:49,600
Melchizedek angle.
Liberates.

521
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:55,800
The story from being the same
old, same old story, and It's

522
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,700
great.
And there's also a Biblical

523
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:02,800
reference, which which helps
because yes, well, other is

524
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,500
people love to have a mystery
solved.

525
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,800
People just like that.
It's a natural human thing.

526
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,300
Yeah.
And so when it's presented as my

527
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,200
research has helped me, solve
the mystery as compared to I was

528
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,600
meditating and God told me the
secrets of the universe, right?

529
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:23,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

530
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,800
Beautiful things, right?
It's much easier for people to

531
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,000
hear.
I was doing a bunch of research

532
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,100
and it suggests to me this.
And if you want to follow up on

533
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,900
my research, here's a car.
You know, when I publish my

534
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:43,800
research for free.
So, you know, you know, it's

535
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,900
important in these
conversations.

536
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:54,500
To be able to establish ones
credibility and interest in

537
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:57,500
various kinds of ways.
You know, it's just like any

538
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:03,400
conversation and the fact that
I'm not selling anything or

539
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,600
encouraging people to join
anything or you know, to follow

540
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,200
me and some, you know,
particular way, you know, that's

541
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,400
one of the refreshing abuse.
Yes.

542
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,900
Yes.
It's so refreshing.

543
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:22,600
The heck life have these big
hurdle these like really

544
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:28,900
challenging hurdles, heralding
is in the wonderfully, simple

545
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,500
job.
That way, you know, you open up

546
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,500
your mouth.
It's like I came.

547
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:46,800
I conquered I like nobody cared
but I did the announcing

548
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,300
Fortunately is a pretty low bar
for Success, you know?

549
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:04,700
Yeah, so that's nice.
It's it's, there's never enough

550
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,300
time.
But the thing the walk away

551
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:13,900
message here is that these are
significant times and you know

552
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:15,700
we don't know where all of this
is headed.

553
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,700
But if you believe there's order
in the universe then there is an

554
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:26,400
outcome, right?
So the question is, you know, do

555
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,900
we continue to do things as
we're doing them now or do we

556
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,900
take a good hard look at it
where we're headed as a result

557
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,100
of the way that we do things now
which is you know, corporate

558
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:40,700
greed corporate interest over.
You know then you've got the

559
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:43,500
political angle, there's so many
different isms right now in the

560
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:48,500
world. it's almost as if it's
like during the Dark Ages when

561
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,000
there were all these different
Pagan beliefs and there was just

562
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,000
massive confusion and Almost
everybody was in poverty and it

563
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,400
seems like we're heading back in
that direction and the Rancher

564
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,900
book and probably the Bible says
you know it's usually through

565
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:10,000
suffering that we come to
answers, we seek for answers so

566
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,600
maybe that's what this is all
about is just getting so sick of

567
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,300
ourselves that we actually start
asking the right questions which

568
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:19,100
is what are we really supposed
to be doing here?

569
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:23,200
I would love to see Melchizedek
or Jesus or somebody come down

570
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,300
from the heavens.
I don't think people could

571
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,900
handle it.
I think they would freak out.

572
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:32,800
I don't know what they would do.
But it's possible and that's

573
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400
what we're talking about here,
right?

574
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,900
Yeah, you know, to whatever
degree that people freak out

575
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:45,800
about dying, is basically a
measure of the degree.

576
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,100
They would freak out about, you
know.

577
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,000
God showing up.
Yeah, right.

578
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,500
That's a good way to put it.
Yeah, very nice chair.

579
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,700
Princess, you know, like you
told that same sort of dramatic,

580
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:08,400
Coming.
Well, we appreciate you joining

581
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,900
us this time up.
And again, you be the news.com

582
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,700
for more information on how
Alberta his writings and his

583
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,300
research and collected research
as well.

584
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,800
Great conversation this time up
on the Rancher Radio podcast.

585
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Hey Jim sorry man.
My Skype disconnected, we're

586
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,900
back.
Sorry we're good anyway so we

587
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:42,800
could pick up and I'll just edit
the little dead are here.

588
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,600
But yeah, sorry.
Continue on with you or saying

589
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,300
about, you know, you know how
people will react if there was a

590
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:55,700
second coming or a coming of a
Divine being, right, right.

591
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,600
How out of sorts people would be
if not kids.

592
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,100
Haddock showed up is very
similar thing.

593
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,400
You know one of the things I
said sometimes is that it's like

594
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:20,300
singing Alien when it comes to
dealing with the Urantia book in

595
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:25,200
these types of dramatic events
and and so forth is it it's a

596
00:46:25,208 --> 00:46:28,500
lot easier to believe that
aliens exist than it is to

597
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:32,900
actually see one, right?
Yeah.

598
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
And then people can be very
comfortable with the belief and

599
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,200
very uncomfortable with the
actuality of it and that's just

600
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,000
one of the billiard things about
like that way.

601
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,500
You know and we expected.
Yeah we want them to show up

602
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,400
looking like Chewbacca or that
alien at the end of Close

603
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Encounters you know and then
we'll be all happy and shake

604
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,100
their you know but it's not
going to be that way.

605
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,000
I have long contended that
that's the missing link that

606
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,600
people.
Don't understand is that they're

607
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,700
the universe is populated by
intelligent beings, but they're

608
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:11,600
spiritual, you know, we all
expect that.

609
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:14,600
You know, materialism is just
it, that's it.

610
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:17,800
Everything is material.
You know, but that's not the

611
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,300
case.
The other thing I want to

612
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:26,700
address and I'll just kind of
brought up with your questions,

613
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,900
and, you know, how do people
relate to this and the times

614
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:37,100
that were in and all Love it.
One of the most complex

615
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,600
challenging topical studies that
I've taken on, I'm in the middle

616
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:49,000
of right now and it's on Saints
prophets, seers and Harold's.

617
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:55,700
And I said about look at how the
world and the Rancher book

618
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,700
defines these terms and
interrelates them and how they

619
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,400
change over time and the sort of
subcategories within age Group.

620
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,400
And there's just so much there
and moving parts that really

621
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,200
gets kind of complex.
But one thing that really jumped

622
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:20,600
out to me in particular, as I
didn't doing this research and

623
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,900
like you know, reading about the
profits going out there and

624
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:29,100
smashing the idols of ball and
you know, didn't have hardly any

625
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,900
time to teach because there was
so much idle smashing to do and

626
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:40,700
everything. and, And I thought
to myself, you know what?

627
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,900
Prophets in Interfaith that they
don't go together.

628
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,100
Profits and Interfaith don't go
together.

629
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,100
Jesus encouraged us to be living
prophets, or at least he

630
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:59,300
encouraged the apostles that
way.

631
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,800
Yeah.
And certainly have a point there

632
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:08,000
to make about it all that is for
everybody regarding how truth is

633
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,900
not about to taste for one
generation in withheld from

634
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,700
another and that we need to
progressively work with the

635
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,500
truth that were given and all of
that stuff, right?

636
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Yeah.
You know, we're supposed to kind

637
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,900
of be Progressive that way.
And in the inner Faith

638
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:35,400
mentality, I think has great
value.

639
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:39,300
And is honored for its great
value.

640
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,500
In the year Rancho book but it's
time period specific and that's

641
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:48,500
what people are missing right
now.

642
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:56,000
So in other words, when you're
in a time period of more gradual

643
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:02,200
evolutionary growth, the
Interfaith sensibility and

644
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,400
mentality is a great value,
wonderful important.

645
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,800
And this is where the ranch book
talks about how the, earlier,

646
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,500
the early followers of Jesus did
not do so well at symboi Titans.

647
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,600
Interfaith school and, you know,
were overly aggressive and

648
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,900
proselytizing in honoring, the
Interfaith sentiment and it

649
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,900
break things up.
And isn't that too bad?

650
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:35,900
And yes, that's too bad but
that's not the time period.

651
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:41,300
We're in the right now.
And if Jesus was around Sim

652
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:46,700
boynton's school at the time, he
was doing his public Ministry, I

653
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:49,200
wouldn't suggest it would have
all looked very different,

654
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,000
that's a good point.
Yeah.

655
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:57,200
And so we forget that, you know,
and I'm going to say now that

656
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,700
we're in this time period Of not
only having an ethical

657
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,600
Revelation, but in the
tribulation period to boot, you

658
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,900
know, 65 years later.
And in the middle of the

659
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:12,400
tribulation with the new ethical
Revelation, I'm not so sure.

660
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:18,300
The Interfaith sentiment is the
appropriate context for the time

661
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,400
period.
I think we need to give that a

662
00:51:20,408 --> 00:51:22,300
new book.
That's interesting.

663
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:26,800
Yeah you know because there is a
problem with it, it's not

664
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,400
because there aren't a bunch of
good intentions and values and

665
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,900
and ways of communicating you
know which still have meaning

666
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:41,000
and relevance today even in
these times, but I think what we

667
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,100
need to my favorite line in the
book and I mean to interrupt,

668
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:49,300
but I think this capsule eights,
it is the line of the very

669
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:52,100
beginning where it says, the
time has come to make Frank

670
00:51:52,100 --> 00:52:01,500
statements Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The time has come.

671
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,400
It's stopped playing.
Let's Pretend who has the best

672
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,500
religion and let's get to the
facts.

673
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:11,600
Yeah, yeah thanks, right.
And so, you know, this is where

674
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,200
Heralding.
You know, is a relevant issue to

675
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:26,800
consider and and Outreach for
the fifth epochal Revelation is

676
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:30,200
heralding, right?
It's announcing That Something

677
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,300
official is shown up and hey,
you know, whether I'm blowing a

678
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:39,200
show for not, you know, your
Ranch a book Outreach, is that

679
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,000
type of You know activity.
Yeah, and now that we're in the

680
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,400
time period we're in.
You know, there's additional

681
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,300
heralding work to do.
I've been doing it for years

682
00:52:55,700 --> 00:53:03,200
now, it's just a matter of
evolutionary, you know,

683
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,400
development with the topic.
Now I moved out here running

684
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,400
around with the shofar blowing
up and doing stuff like that and

685
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,300
hang a Herald true Harold.
Great You know, it's in your

686
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:24,900
genes man.
My birth name is Harold.

687
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,300
No, I changed album.
I was always called Hal and then

688
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:33,000
friends at College started to
call me Halbert and it got

689
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,300
changed to how Gruden organic
way that way.

690
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,000
But my birth name is Harold.
Well, you considering going back

691
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,800
to that?
Are you considering changing

692
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:58,000
back to it?
No step stay with Hal, kind of

693
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,100
confusing to have it and, you
know, now maybe that kind of

694
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:04,400
regretted your doctor.
I don't care anymore.

695
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,400
But well, yeah, you know, by any
name, I'm still doing what I'm

696
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,300
doing.
And I think this is where I

697
00:54:12,308 --> 00:54:17,700
wanted to mention is that for
the, your answer community and

698
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,400
for your answer of the
Believers, Yes.

699
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:27,800
I'm now a challenging figure to
deal with because of what it

700
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,900
teaches about another and
greater, John the Baptist.

701
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:38,300
I'm within the context of
Urantia book teachings, if

702
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:44,300
someone doesn't believe that
we're in a time period, where we

703
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:48,100
would be looking for another and
greater, John, the Baptist

704
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:54,300
anyways then it's just an
academic issue. but for people

705
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:59,400
who do believe that were in that
time period, They've got a

706
00:54:59,408 --> 00:55:03,300
little bit more to address
themselves to in terms of my

707
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:08,900
rolling on this and so do I and
that's going to be very

708
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:13,900
challenging for all of us in
different ways but as a

709
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:16,700
practical matter, people are
just going to have to look and

710
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:19,100
go.
Well if I don't think it's

711
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:24,400
Halbert to is it is it nobody
the person hasn't shown up yet

712
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,500
and if they do show up, what
kind of credentials are they

713
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,700
going to have that are so
especially different than the

714
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,900
fact that I've been like doing
this stuff for years already and

715
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,900
I've been dedicated to the year
at Revelation for 40 plus years

716
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:44,800
now and you know, and so there's
going to be this sort of

717
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:52,500
practical level of analysis of
comparative analysis where it's

718
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:57,200
hard to imagine someone coming
out of the woodwork.

719
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Being effective in the world and
it's hard to imagine who else is

720
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,500
out there that we might know
already is really trying to be

721
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,000
Contender this way.
Anyways, you know?

722
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:18,100
Yeah.
So that's sort of Just at the

723
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:20,900
Killy arity.
What's going on right now that

724
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:26,000
we all got to deal with and find
our own, you know, place in

725
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:28,300
relationship to it.
Right.

726
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:36,500
I've owns a very comprehensive
study of the issue, you know,

727
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,700
like, in other words, what would
it mean for another and greater?

728
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:43,600
John the Baptist to show up.
Well, what are all the different

729
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,700
characteristics of the first one
so that you could do something?

730
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:50,200
Aaron, you know, like we're his
genetics.

731
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:54,300
What were his education?
What was his temperament?

732
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,000
What were his beliefs?
You know?

733
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,800
Etc.
You can just like go down the

734
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:07,000
line and try to think of every
aspect of a person's life that

735
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,100
would be relevant to what
they're doing.

736
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:16,900
And you know the comparative
like just think comparatively

737
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:21,200
about it.
That's been a very interesting

738
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,900
exercise to do that.
I'm in the middle of still, I'll

739
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:25,700
tell you.
You know how well that's an

740
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:31,700
important decision to make.
You know I think though remember

741
00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:37,400
that you know, even in when we
talk about the Baptist he

742
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,800
himself was a great heraldry Of
the the Sun but he also saw the

743
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,600
least in other words he he was
not a happy man, so he did not

744
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,400
enjoy the fruits of what he
believed in, you know, and

745
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,900
understand what I'm saying.
So, even though, he may have

746
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:58,900
been the greatest of the
prophets, he was the one that

747
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,700
probably was the most miserable.
Because he was so preoccupied

748
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,400
with the job that he forgot.
It's kind of like, at the end of

749
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,700
The Book of Eli.
Did you ever see that movie with

750
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:13,700
Denzel Washington where he says,
at the end, because he's

751
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:18,000
protecting the last Bible on the
world in the world and he gets

752
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,600
to the destination and he says,
I was so busy protecting the

753
00:58:21,608 --> 00:58:24,000
book, I never actually thought
to read it.

754
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,500
Appreciate it or live the truth.
So, whatever your mission is,

755
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:33,900
you know, God bless you, and
what you're doing is great and

756
00:58:33,908 --> 00:58:36,100
that's why we wanted to have you
on.

757
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:40,700
So maybe in some small way we
can Enlighten a few people.

758
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:46,000
So that's the point.
And yes, that is the point.

759
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,900
You know, that's what heralding
is about is, it's about calling

760
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:52,700
attention to something else, not
really?

761
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,900
Yeah, oneself, you know,
Necessarily as someone's

762
00:58:56,900 --> 00:59:00,200
heralding?
Yeah, some attention is on them,

763
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,200
but the whole point is, hey, you
might want to take an interest

764
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,500
in this here.
Fifth book of Revelation.

765
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,400
Yeah, you know, it's only
practical matter if I do my

766
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,300
heralding.
Well, in combination with my

767
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:21,500
studying's people, really don't
have to talk to me after they've

768
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:26,500
met me once.
You know, because the website

769
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,900
can, as, you know, just
countless hours of research that

770
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:34,600
someone can do if they're new to
all of this, they'll be busy for

771
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,200
a lifetime following up with all
this study AIDS in the whole

772
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,600
text of the Rancher book and all
of it, you know, it's not really

773
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:50,200
like I need to do anything more
than the introduction.

774
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,100
You know, you want to whet their
appetite.

775
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:55,100
Right.
So yeah, yeah.

776
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:01,000
Thanks for all of us that way.
But I think you know what's easy

777
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:07,300
for me and hard for other people
is that it's very easy for me to

778
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:11,800
point people to my website.
It's mine, right?

779
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,400
Yeah.
It's my work.

780
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,800
And it validates.
My conversation with people is

781
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,900
someone who's involved and Has
some bona fide.

782
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:28,300
He's you know, has Merit, right?
Yeah.

783
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:29,800
Well, you've always been that
way.

784
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,800
You have a scholarly approach
and you were you have a Judicial

785
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,800
background and so I think your
Insight gives that it it's an

786
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,700
intellectual approach to a
spiritual Revelation which you

787
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:46,000
and I share that, by the way, we
don't have the same Bona, fides,

788
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,500
but, you know, you're aware how
the ranch of community is know,

789
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:55,300
as, you know, like a herd of
cats Or very independent-minded.

790
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:01,000
Yeah, sure.
And so even even though the ubn

791
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,600
attended website has more study
AIDS material about Melchizedek

792
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:12,100
in the eclipses and it's all put
their together like nobody else

793
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:15,400
has.
It doesn't matter.

794
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,700
People don't want to actually
send people to my website or

795
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,000
your Ranch ebook readers.
They you know I can tell from

796
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:26,200
how this works.
X and that's unfortunate.

797
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,600
Well, it is, that fortunate.
Yeah, we talked about because

798
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,300
this is where people stay up to
be, as effective as they can be

799
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:39,800
in their Outreach conversation.
Because when you don't have the

800
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:45,800
credentials yourself for to say,
to someone hate follow up on my

801
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:51,500
work, my work is worth following
up on, then the very next best

802
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,400
thing, you know.
To do is to say you should

803
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,700
follow up on his so-and-so's
work, I'd check out their work,

804
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:02,000
you know their works great
that's what you know help me

805
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,800
talk to you about it.
Right.

806
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:09,900
And and so a reference is the
natural thing to do in any

807
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,800
conversation of this nature
where you're trying to interest

808
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:19,000
somebody in something new.
But there's actually an obstacle

809
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,800
is social barrier, a
psychological barrier that goes

810
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,300
on with this stuff.
And and that's where I was, you

811
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:31,500
know, bringing up the for that's
why I brought up this issue

812
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:37,400
about, it's going to be hard on
the erection Community to try to

813
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:44,000
work with the idea of me being
in a role that is talked about,

814
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:49,300
particularly Because it's just
too darn intimidating.

815
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:52,300
And it's like what we were
saying earlier in that the

816
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:57,700
conversation about believing in
the alien versus sing one,

817
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,000
right?
So it's very easy comfortable

818
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,400
for you.
Ratchet book, readers to believe

819
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,200
that someday there will be
another and greater John, the

820
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Baptist.
It's a miserable death tax, and

821
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,400
think about it for real.
I actually had someone

822
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,200
considering, you know, in the
consideration for it, that makes

823
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,700
your engine book readers.
Very uncomfortable, where is the

824
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:30,800
belief is very comfortable. so,
you know, this is Part of our

825
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,100
tribulation.
Yeah.

826
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,400
Right.
This is where we have to kind of

827
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,700
sort our own soul so and figure
out who we are and all of this

828
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:42,900
and why and what we believe and
why don't we think and why, and

829
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:45,200
how do we get clear in our
thoughts?

830
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:51,400
And, and perhaps, most
importantly effective with each

831
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,500
other and our relationships.
Yeah, because that's what a real

832
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:01,300
talking about here is.
How do we get to a true?

833
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:07,100
We experience and all of this.
Right now, we're people look at

834
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:09,700
the year at your community, who
are near to it.

835
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,200
You know, what do they see?
Particularly, if it relates to

836
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,500
this issue of signs of the times
you tribulation, like, if you're

837
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,800
just talking, generally Ranch,
look Outreach stuff, and not,

838
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:27,300
Into this aspect of the
conversations one thing.

839
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,000
But if this is what's coming up
and is part of the conversation,

840
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:39,700
then, You know, that's kind of a
new ball of wax and you know,

841
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:44,100
the obvious main organizations
unless your actual greeters

842
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:47,900
don't want to highlight any of
this, any more than they want to

843
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,300
highlight issues related to
gender or race.

844
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:58,400
It's all part of that same kind
of challenge that the Ranch

845
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,900
Community has with the teachings
of the book.

846
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:05,600
It doesn't matter whether it's
gender race, or another and

847
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,800
greater John, the Baptist.
People in the community are

848
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,900
challenged with the beliefs and
ideologies of the day, and the

849
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:21,200
mix between it all.
And it's How exciting?

850
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,000
Yeah.
Well there's a lot to unpack

851
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,900
here and we have to go because
it's long and we've been doing

852
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,300
some good conversation now for a
little bit more than an hour and

853
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:35,400
I appreciate you joining me.
You be the news.com I have no

854
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,100
problem referring people to your
website because it is a

855
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:43,100
voluminous work and it's
certainly to be respected and

856
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:47,000
enjoyed and I appreciate you
joining me this time up on the

857
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,300
ranch Radio podcast, my guest
Howard Katz.

858
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:53,500
And, and it's, you be the
news.com any clothes?

859
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:58,400
Yeah.
Closing comment is when I

860
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:01,100
changed the nature of the
project from you.

861
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:05,400
Be the news to you, be
annotated, people have an easier

862
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,700
time getting to my website.
If they use you be annotated,

863
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:13,200
you be the news redirects to,
you be annotated, but sometimes

864
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,500
that redirection is slow and
clunky and people get frustrated

865
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:21,700
if it's nothing.
URL to use anymore, okay?

866
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:25,700
Very good, almost all of the
material, from the ud, the news

867
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:29,000
website has been brought into
the UV.

868
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,100
Annotated website, good to know
and so that is.

869
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,200
Yeah.
If you would just, you know, be

870
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,300
sure to use the current URL
after the smoother.

871
01:06:40,300 --> 01:06:43,300
Operation, that's a great.
Well you got it I think you just

872
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:44,700
did.
So there we go.

873
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:48,600
Let's Head Hands until next
time, you're very welcome, have

874
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,600
a A wonderful time and we'll
talk to you soon.