Ryan Herring on Urantia Cinema - Carrying the Message Forward

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Well, it's sure nice to have you
back here on the Urancha Radio

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Podcast, and we're talking about
the revelation here.

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This time up, I want to
introduce you to Ryan Herring,

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an independent filmmaker who has
her grand plan using his talents

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to present the Urancha book
through an innovative new way.

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In our conversation, Ryan
explains cinematic translation

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and what it will take to get it
from vision to reality.

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Creator of 5th Epical Films,
Ryan Herring joins us on this

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episode of the Urancha Radio
Podcast.

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And welcome to another edition
of the Rancher Radio Podcast.

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My name is Jim Watkins and I'm
very happy to have on.

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I mentioned this last time that
we're going to have a gentleman

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on Ryan Herring.
Ryan Herring is someone you may

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have seen.
You might even know him.

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He's from Washington, and he
wants to produce movies and

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we'll get into all the details
about it.

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And he wants to start producing
movies based on the Urantia

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book, which I think is a
fantastic idea.

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And it kind of spurred my
interest to reach out and find

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out what he's up to.
So please welcome to the program

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Ryan Herring.
Ryan, are you in Port Angeles

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today?
I'm here at my house.

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I I'm a real estate agent,
professionally so, and actually

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I work from home.
Oh, isn't that sweet?

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I mean, if there's one thing
that came out of COVID, which

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there were not many things that
came out, is that humanity or at

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least Western society, You know,
I think it might be a a possible

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solution to, you know, traffic
because I was always worried,

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well, what's going to happen
soon?

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Nobody's going to be able to get
anywhere.

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And then COVID came along and
suddenly everybody's working

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from home.
So maybe that'll do something to

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help, you know, slow down the
deterioration of our

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environment.
Who knows?

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But anyway, it's good to have
you on.

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And I want to talk about a lot
of things first.

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When did you get to know the
ranch book?

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How did you find it, What what
was going on in your life?

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And tell us about that.
Journey.

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So I guess I I discovered it in
1999 and I was 20 years old at

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the time and I just was doing
independent studies on my own

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into spirituality and just
really studying, trying to take

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a deeper dive into all different
types of world religions.

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And which ones did you try
before you finally settled on

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The Urantia Book?
Or which ones do you like?

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There's a there's a little bit
of something in every one of

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them, you know, that's.
Appealing.

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So I guess if I roll back a
little further, I was raised

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from time I was well before I
could remember until I was 14

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and I chose to leave as
Jehovah's Witness.

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That.
Was right deeply schooled in

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Christianity or a certain brand
of it I guess you could say from

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a young age.
So.

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So I was religious and and
Jehovah's Witnesses, you know,

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they'd meet three times a week
and they go out and they do door

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to door evangelistic work on the
weekends and and evening

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sometimes.
So yeah, so I was doing a lot of

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religious activities.
I guess when I was the youth I

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was that's what I was brought up
around.

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But then I sort of, you know, I
I grew up, I I I got in as a

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teenager.
I got into, I guess,

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counterculture stuff.
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skateboarding and snowboarding
and, you know, just independent

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thinking.
And it didn't really jive with

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the whole Joe's Witness thing.
So I I broke away as soon as I

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could when I felt like I was old
enough to be independent and and

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it just sort of went my own
direction.

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But I always had to speak a deep
spirituality.

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Yeah, I always had an
interconnection with God, and so

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I always carried that with me.
And as I got into my later

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teens, I had a lot of friends
that were kind of Neo

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Rastafarians, I guess you could
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And I got kind of deep into that
culture in my late teen years

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and that really.
And and there was some, I had

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some friends that were pretty
serious about it.

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You know they they were very,
very spiritually minded too,

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although they were approaching
it from I guess a unique and

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kind of odd angle and up to
single, I guess you could say.

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But but through that I and then
I had some just some free time.

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When I was 19 I was living at
home at my mom's house I should

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say still and just working and
sort of kind of breaking away

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from the the social scene for a
bit doing my own thing.

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And so I I branched out into
just studying all different

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world religions and at that
point I was sort of already

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pretty open minded and obviously
I knew Christianity and knew the

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Bible but and I I'd already read
studied Buddhism a little bit

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and Hinduism a little bit and
some other stuff.

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I had some friends that were
into Transcend, Transcendental

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Meditation and and some other
stuff and and actually how I how

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I discovered the Yorancha book.
I was actually I was reading in

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Transcendental Meditation and I
I was reading some books by an

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author named Courtney Brown.
Doctor Courtney Brown.

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And he has a a type of
Transcendental Meditation which

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he terms remote viewing.
And so he has written several

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books about this.
And I was reading one of the

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books and he talks about in one
of the remote viewing sessions.

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He contacted some Midwayers and
he's didn't say he was a Uranja

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book reader, really even
familiar with it, but just

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mentioned in the book that this
kind of fell in line with this

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book called The Uranja Book.
And I was just checking out

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books from the Public Library
here in Port Angeles at the

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time.
And so I was just sort of making

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my way through the whole
religious spirituality section

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and and they had the Uranja book
there.

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They had a copy of it.
So I went back to turn that book

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and I saw the orange book that
whoa, that's weird.

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Maybe I should check this out.
So anyways, I I didn't.

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That's sort of where my my
studies ended.

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I picked up the orange book and
I delve deep into it and I I

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just kept studying it since
then.

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So.
Did you read it?

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From really answered all the
questions that I had.

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Yeah, I did.
Yeah.

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So you're ready from the
beginning.

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I'm sort of a a believer in the,
you know, there's a part in

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chapter in paper 19 where they
talk about the intentional

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reason why they present the
information in the the the way

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they do, starting from, you
know, from God, from the center

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and going out to us and to our
human history.

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Instead of approaching it from
what the human mind would first

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might do, which is start with
our history and sort of work a

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way out or inwards.
Isn't that interesting?

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Yeah, I always thought that was
interesting too, you know?

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And that is my guiding principle
to my philosophy of studying the

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Urach book.
It always has been that really

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struck A chord with me the first
time I read it and and I'm also

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you know I don't know I could go
to you can do it.

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I don't want to sidetrack too
much, no.

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No, I think this is, you know.
But that ties into what I'm

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trying to do is really what I'm
trying to do is not make films

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about the Urach book.
What I'm trying to do is what I

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dub a cinematic translation.
And so that's a word accurate

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translation of the Orange book
into an audio visual or

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cinematic format.
So really what I'm trying to do

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is if you can imagine the book,
you have the written version of

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it.
You can imagine the audio book

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version that's out there, right?
Yeah, So there's an audio

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version.
What I'm trying to do is put an

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audio visual version out in its
entirety, starting from the

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beginning, going to the end in
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You know, I'm looking at the
first section of the book and

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I'm wondering how on earth does
he get?

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I mean, why?
You know, because it let's look

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at some of the chapters.
God the Father, the reality of

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God.
God is a universal spirit, the

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mystery of God.
And then you go into the sun and

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the nature of the first five
chapters of the book are about

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God.
So how do you approach

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translating that cinematically?
Well, you have to be very

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creative, you know.
And I've, you know, I have to

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say that I've had a lot of, I
guess, skepticism from readers

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so far about my ideas.
And most people, I think, get

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hung up on that part of it.
Yeah, some.

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People say they don't like the
idea of anybody trying to do

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that, even really they they like
the picture in their own mind

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and they don't want somebody
ruining that.

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But painting their own crude
human picture, which I agree

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with philosophically in a way,
but at the same time, it's like

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saying that, you know, Cavemen
shouldn't have started doing

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cave drawings because it was
true to art even though it was

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the 1st.
Art if you're familiar.

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I can't accept that.
I can't.

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I can't accept the fact to say
that that's wrong to try.

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As humans, we have to try our
best, and if this is the best we

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can do as a cave drawing, that's
good enough.

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We should still do it.
It on that we I sat in on a

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conference call not long ago and
if you're familiar, familiar

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with Gary Tong's visuals.
Yep, if it weren't for some of

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those visuals I it would have
been a much harder time for me

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to comprehend Havona or the
structure of.

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The well, the fact of the matter
is, there's lots of, there's

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lots of proven studies on it,
but it's far easier for anybody

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really to learn from an audio
visual presentation than it is

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from a text, from reading a
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It's just there's exponentially
you can learn more, faster, more

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clearly better.
That's just a proven fact.

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Now are you using really.
That's yeah.

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Any AI involved in in this
that's a recent development.

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So this project that you've
been.

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Around yeah I I, you know I
haven't really started

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production yet.
I mean I have to raise for.

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So I really want to do things in
trying to do things in a high

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quality way and make this a a
legitimate production.

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And really even if I had all the
funds to start right now it

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would take a lot of work
assembling the right team.

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And even if we got into full
production, you know, when we

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were, you know what I am, what
I'm aiming towards is producing

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about 12 papers a year, which
kind of equates to about it's

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it's about like what producing a
big budget television show

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series would be like if you had
a 12 episode, one hour long

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episode season of a television
series you've watched and it

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came out once a year, that would
be the about the production

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schedule that I'm in for.
And that's a lot.

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A lot of these big budget shows,
Netflix shows that they don't,

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they only come out like once
every 2-3 years because it takes

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them that long to produce 8
episodes, you know, so.

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And they, they spend, you know,
millions of dollars, hundreds of

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millions of dollars sometimes in
their production.

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So you know it.
It's an ambitious goal.

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And even at 12, like if you
break it down, there's 197

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papers.
I'm talking about the forward

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and 196 papers.
So just do the math.

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How many years is that?
It's a lot.

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It's over 20.
So this is a it's a ambitious

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goal to say the least and and
I'm just trying to to get the

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ball rolling because I think
that it's a worthy effort to do

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no matter who does it or who's
involved or what it takes.

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And I think that having that
once it's done having that

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material to stand beside the
text.

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I'm not saying to get rid of the
text.

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I'm not saying there or the
audio version or anything.

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I'm just and and and other
people, you know, I thought a

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lot of people you know say that
they think what I'm trying to do

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represents mass marketing, which
they're against.

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And I don't.
I'm not trying to market, if you

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talk to me, I don't have any
plan to market this.

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I just want to make it available
free just like the audio book

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version is, just like the
textbook version is.

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And if actually I have a thesis
I wrote on what a cinematic

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translation is and really it's
just it's that it's a

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translation.
So this is copyrighted material.

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Your Rancha foundation owns the
material.

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I'm going to give this to them
when it's done and they can

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distribute however they want and
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I'm not aiming to make any money

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material just like the book is
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So, so that's the goal.
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box, I totally I don't think.
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Weirdo, I I understand what I'm

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and the 90s and even the odds
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of taking it slow and and not
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the early days because it was,
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massive rejection of the book in
1955 that people actually kind

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of retreated.
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for this world, right?
But that's not the way it is now

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because we have so much, so many
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I saw something today that I'm
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the person who did it was
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But that that's The thing is we
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and use the tools.
Imagine if the, you know, the

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Melchizedek missionaries, if
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today, I mean they would have to
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the teachings of Melchizedek and
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They want to take a months and
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can circle the globe in minutes.
I think that's an advantage.

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I'm not saying we need to mass
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billboards and all that.
It's not about the numbers.

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It's about the fact that our
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going through a lot of turmoil
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Book would would come and answer
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Which is one of the reasons we
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want it to be out there.
We want people to to be

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introduced to it.
If they're not introduced to it,

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the The Midwayers can't help us
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tent.
So tell me about have you gone

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to Hollywood?
Have you pitched anybody, Do you

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know anybody like some of the
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I understand it's very popular

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now in Hollywood.
I had.

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Well, I mean that's.
I don't really know for sure.

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I've I've, I've, I've studied
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know I've seen a little, you
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you call bleed into some popular
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you know, just incidentally and
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So I know that it exists and and
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his name but there's a gentleman
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actually I think he's writing a
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book about the Uranche book's
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and and some other really, you
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And I'm sure there's a lot more
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I'm sure I, you know, I like, I
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I, you know, I work out.

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I just, I grew up in that
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Like I said, snowboarding,
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all that.
But one of my favorite bands,

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the Death Jones, they have a
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You know, so I mean what?
You know, what does that tell

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So anyways, but all that aside,
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haven't approached anybody yet.
It like I said this is a real

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soft launch and my my idea was
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the existing Uranchi community
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doing.
Even though like, you know, I

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haven't.
I don't have a long history of

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involvement with any Uranchi
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I've just been an independent
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Yeah, you know I'm like Woody
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You know, any, any club that
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probably wouldn't want to be a
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That's what Woody Allen once
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You know, I'm I'm a solitary
messenger.

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You know, I'm, I'm a I'm a David
Zebedee, not necessarily a John

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Zebedee.
You know, or tell me a little

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bit.
Let's get into the visuals a

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little bit.
So keeping it as as simple as

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possible, draw us a mental
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might depict and your approach
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translation.
Tell us how that how that looks.

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Well, I have a little video
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that's this and so 1st is my
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Underneath it there's a little
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So I guess that's as close as I
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It's really short, but it's from
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would start at the forward.
I'm, you know just my

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methodology and the way I, you
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produce the whole thing and just
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But because it would take so
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and I think it should be kind of
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Like I would say my plan would
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like maybe 10-12 papers at a
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would start at the beginning.
Then you know that being said, I

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would start at the beginning.
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to be done or episode I guess is
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would be the forward And and so
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forward that I cut and that's
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So I just went on YouTube and I
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I didn't spend any money making
this and actually I cut that

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together like two years ago when
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pitch this to your own
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And so and so I just downloaded
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thought kind of fit the visuals
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So it's just a crude sketch.
If you look at that cinematic

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translation sample video I have,
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director without any crew or
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alone.
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It's like the equivalent of me
sketching A crude sketch on a

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piece of paper so I could go in
and show somebody show, you

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know, Pitcher Studios, say,
here's what I'm trying to do,

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here's a sketch of the idea of
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And that's the best I can do
right now because I'm not.

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I'm not a 3D artist.
I don't have all the skills to

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do this.
It's going to take a big team to

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put together even something
really even representative what

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I'm trying to do because it's
going to take, but but I guess

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the closest I could be, I could
say, I don't know if you've

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watched series like like Our
Planet or there's ABBC.

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Series like Prehistoric Earth,
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Lot of CGI might be.
Involved, yeah.

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I would think exactly.
So if you watch those series,

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that's what the production
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So obviously it's narrator
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the Divine Counselor that does
the first, the forward and the

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first few papers that that's a
character I mean and you might

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see that person or character a
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So that's that's a decision.
Do we cast real people for which

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I'm in favor of or do you make a
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I don't know.
I mean these are all decisions

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that need to be made and I
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And it's going to take a team of
people and there's going to be a

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lot of factors that determine
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Time, budget, all these
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are the the nuts and bolts of
the production that need to be

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getting into that, that I can't
really start digging into all

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the way until I get there.
And because this is a film.

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Project and it's based around a
lot of technology that's new and

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in development.
It's it's like a moving target.

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You know, I can give you an
estimate today of the way I

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would do it, but tomorrow it's
going to be different and a year

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from now it's going to be
different, you know, because I

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have to stay on top of that
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And so it's really hard to say
until I get to a place where I'm

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ready to start production what
the exact methods would be and

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what exactly we'd be doing.
But yeah, obviously the first

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few papers, a lot of the first,
you know, part one and Part 2

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are are largely going to be
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I want to give out your web
address now so that people

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listening to the podcast can go
on online and look at what what

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we're talking about here.
It's 5th epical films.com. 5th

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epical not and not 5th like 5,
but FIFTH, 5th epical films.com

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and great logo.
And you've got some demos up

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too.
You can also subscribe to a

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daily newsletter and and you do
a lot of writing and I could

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tell that you're a very good
writer.

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I want to ask you a question.
This is a little off guard, but

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all those years when you were
young and you are knocking on

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doors when you were doing what
you do as a Jehovah's Witness,

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did any of that prepare you for
what you're doing now?

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But really?
I think if anything, I if I

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carry over anything from
actually the earlier days as

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being a jealous witness when I
was young, it's really just the

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truth.
It's like anything else, I

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guess.
If it doesn't matter what

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religion you're in, if you if
you threw that, found the truth,

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you know that's out there that's
real.

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You know, because there's a lot
of truth in the Bible.

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There's a lot of truth in in in
in what people believe, even

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through their, you know, these
evolutionary religions, you

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know, there's a lot of truth be
found there and you can find a

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real connection, you know, by
real experiences.

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That's what religion is really.
So I had a lot of that, a lot of

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that was real.
I had a lot of real experiences

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when I was young and they'll
still stick with me and they

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they translate over now.
There's not really, I've come to

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a place now I guess where in my
mind there's not really any

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difference.
I I don't think of myself then

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as a different, you know, as a
different person religiously.

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It was just that was just a a
part of my religious experience

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and I consciously maybe thought
about it differently, my

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surroundings of the time, but
now there's no difference.

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It was just, you know, it was
just a religious experience that

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I had so.
We are talking with Ryan

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Herring.
He is the CEO, the owner, the

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director, all the chief bottle
washer as they say of the 5th

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epical films.
And you've got a major project

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here.
You want to take the first part

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of the Arrancha book and make it
come to life on the silver

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screen, as they say.
But I I I think I get yours.

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I've often thought if you had a
something like what The History

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Channel does, but if you had a
series that went into the

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Urantia book, I I I just found
somebody should do that someday,

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Maybe it would be too soon.
Maybe it'd be, you know?

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But why?
Why the first part?

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Why not like something more
relatable like part three of the

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book?
That's the most common I guess

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second question I get and it's
just again, it ties back to me

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to you know ideally if there was
one an ideal way to do it and

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time wasn't a factor, I would do
the whole thing and put it all

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out as one and and and actually
if you watch the sample video

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that I did.
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voice over thing and I carried
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added to the beginning of the
audiobook as they say that the

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Urancha book is published as a
whole, the forward in 196

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papers.
It's meant to be studied in the

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relation to the whole and not to
be separately studied each

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individual part.
Because taken out of context,

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yeah.
If you keep it within its

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context then meetings are
amplified and and this sort of

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thing.
So I put that in there and I

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just added it.
It says whether written or heard

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and I added whether written,
heard or viewed and and I that's

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the underlying philosophy.
You can't break away from that

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and it's fine.
Like I don't look, I don't have

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any problem with people making
piece meal stuff or videos about

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the aruncha book or trying to
introduce the aruncha book to

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people.
All that is great.

448
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That's all great.
It has a value.

449
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I'm not saying that doesn't have
a value, but what I'm trying to

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do is completely different.
I'm simply trying to present

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what I believe in is that if I
had a choice, OK, if I could

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give somebody the Hiranja book,
instead of talk explaining it to

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them, I would give it to them
and have them read it the whole

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thing.
That would be my number one

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choice if I could do.
If I had the choice to introduce

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the Hiranja book to somebody,
and the ideal way, it would just

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simply to be to take myself out
of it, did not try to

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reinterpret it or filter between
it.

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I believe in the, you know, the
value of each individual's mind

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and their own personal
experience with the unfiltered

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revelation they deserve that
people deserve an unfiltered

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experience with it, not somebody
else's reinterpretation, right?

463
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Not that those are bad, but what
people really crave.

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What they need is that the
revelation itself, the real

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thing, all of it, 100% not
changed, not filtered, not

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reinterpreted.
Yeah, and that's it.

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That's that's the underlying
principle.

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And so to start with the
beginning, because it's such a

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long thing, like I said, it just
that's what needs to be studied

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in order.
You need to start at the

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beginning and go paper by paper.
I really, truly believe that.

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And I also believe there's a
cyclical nature to it.

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So I believe not only do you
need to go to the beginning, but

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once you get, you can't.
You don't eat, you can't even

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understand the forward all the
way unless you've read the whole

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book.
Yeah, that's true.

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A lot of people have that.
You can't.

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Comprehend the forward.
Unless you've read the whole

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entire book already.
So think about that for a

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second.
You have to read it all in

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paper.
Then you have to read it all in

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order, and you have to read it
again and again and again to

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really comprehend it.
There's a cyclical nature to it

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in the order and it's
intentional and I want to

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preserve that.
I I believe that people deserve

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to have it unfiltered.
It's their choice.

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They can do whatever they want.
You can start whatever paper you

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want.
I'm not trying to tell people

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what they should do, but the
what I want to do is offer

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people the opportunity to do it
and what I believe is the

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intended way.
That's it so.

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Once again, the 5th, 5th epical
films.com. 5th epical films.com

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and the the man behind this
project is Ryan Herring and he's

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with us today and his work is
good.

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00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,400
I I've seen from what little I
can see.

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I mean do you have you have any
directors that that you

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particularly like that you sort
of are your mentors?

498
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,160
Oh, sure.
I mean, I, I I I like a lot.

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A lot of contemporary work
that's out there, you know,

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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,440
really what I what I like
nowadays, I'm really into his

501
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,960
long series television, you
know, because it's just so for

502
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,920
for me nowadays when I watch a
film, it's just so unsatisfying

503
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520
because it's so short, you know,
you can't really tell a story in

504
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,360
90 minutes, you know, or even 2
hours.

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00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,640
It's just it's hard.
I mean you can, you can tell

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there are some good.
Well, I'm not saying they're not

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00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,440
good films, but there's just so
much more depth and and you

508
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,320
know, character development, all
that story development in long

509
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,160
format series.
So that's really what I like.

510
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,000
I like the long format dramatic
series, so I like a lot of the

511
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,560
big sci-fi series that are out
there.

512
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,360
So what was when we watched
recently Silo on Apple TV?

513
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,680
That was pretty good.
Yeah, my son Tom told me about

514
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,040
that one.
I'm going to check that out.

515
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Well, listen, I, I appreciate
you coming by and I hope to have

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00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,080
you on again and we can continue
to follow your progress.

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00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,120
Yeah, to talk.
About what I'm doing and rant

518
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,560
and ready for a few, So no,
it's.

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00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,400
Good.
You know what?

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,600
Yeah, we're all working to move
that boulder uphill, you know,

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00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,680
so really wanted.
To take a shout out personally,

522
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,920
just did like again, like to
everybody's doing work,

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00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,040
everybody's work on all fronts,
Everybody's doing a video work,

524
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080
you know, large or small.
Now, Gary, David, of course the

525
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,200
big names everyone knows about,
but also anybody's out there.

526
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240
You know, there's a lot of
people with small channels

527
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,520
making videos, making blogs,
writing and putting good

528
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,000
information out there,
encouraging people and just

529
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,760
drawing people towards it.
So I think that all that work is

530
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160
great and super beneficial.
And I just really want to

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00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,120
clarify what you know what it is
that I'm trying to do because it

532
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,840
is different I think from from
what people assume when they

533
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720
when they look at it face value
because it's sort of outside the

534
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,720
box a little.
Bit again 5th Epical films.com

535
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,560
to find out more.
Want to thank Ryan Herring for

536
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,240
joining me on the Urantia Radio
Podcast.

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00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,800
Coming up next, we'll delve into
papers 70 and 71 in the state of

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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,680
our government from the
viewpoint of the revelators.

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00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
And if you want to reach me on
any topic or question you have

540
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,840
about this podcast or about the
Urantia Book, best way is by

541
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,320
e-mail
urantiabookradio@gmail.com

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,520
urantiabookradio@gmail.com.
Thanks again for stopping by and

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we'll see you again soon.
God bless.