Rick Lyon: The Future of Urantia

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Well, we're back and it's time
for another edition of the

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Urantia Radio Podcast, and I'm
so glad that you have joined me.

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I'm going to have a very special
guest on Rick Lyon, who has been

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a big part of of the Urantia
book community for decades, he

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and his wife Susan.
And so we're going to talk about

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his experiences both as a
reader, as an administrator for

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his work with the Urantia
Association, and what he's doing

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now with the Center for Unity.
And all of these different

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wonderful things that are going
on in the Urantia book

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community, including what Rick
Line and others are using and

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harnessing the power of
artificial intelligence to

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spread the teachings of the
Urantia Papers.

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So we'll get to all of that and
more.

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Also want to let folks know that
I am in the final stages of the

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new website for the Urantia
Podcast.

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The web address for that is
urantiabookradio.com, your

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rancherbookradio.com, and that
should be up and running by the

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first couple of days of March.
And that'll be a great place for

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you to actually listen to the
podcast and also if you want to

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comment and provide some
listener feedback, all of that.

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And Rick Lyon, hang on, it's
going to be joining us in just a

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moment.
I'm really happy to have Rick

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Lyon on the program.
Many of the people in the

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Urantia community, they've been
around for a while, know Rick.

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He's was the Urantia Association
International executive from

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2008 to 2014, and before that he
handled the study groups for the

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Ranch Association.
So I want to get to some of

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that.
We're also going to be talking

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about a paper that that was
written by Doctor William

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Sadler, answering the initial
criticisms that came from many

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people, mostly theologians,
other philosophers, perhaps,

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because when you're the Your
Ranch book was first published.

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I remember we're talking about a
revelation here.

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We're talking about something
that says that is, is as epical

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as Adam and Eve is as epical as
even the life of of Christ and

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his appearance as the Son of
God.

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So it's it's putting itself in a
very high estate.

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And so it was natural that there
would be some criticisms.

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So we'll go over that a little
bit.

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But Rick, I want to just welcome
you to the program and I thank

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you very much for coming on
board today.

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How are you and how is
everything going for you in the

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Urantia book are obviously
you're still engaged, so tell me

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how things are going for you
since you've left UAI and and

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now are sort of going solo as
they say.

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Are you still heavily involved
in the community?

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Oh, absolutely.
I think I'm more busy today than

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I than I was back then,
honestly, because in 2014 I

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stepped away from being the
executive director with UAI and

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we started, my wife and I, we
started Cosmic Creations, which

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is an online store that Wrench
Foundation blessed us with

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permission to make, you know,
merchandise with the circles on

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it and all that stuff.
And that's been very successful

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and it's still going today after
11 years.

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And then now we're involved,
excuse me, now we're involved

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with the Center for Unity since
2021.

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We got involved with that.
So there's a lot of great things

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happening, a lot of exciting
things happening.

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And we're blessed to be part of
all of it, for sure.

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I may have to hit you up for a
ring.

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I've I've I've seen there's a
certain kind of urant and I

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don't wear jewelry but I would
wear a concentric circle just to

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have it there in case.
Either that or what?

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Wear a hat all the time That
might be the way to go.

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Do you have a website for that
that you could get people that

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want to buy your rancher related
items?

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Absolutely.
It's called cosmic creations dot

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BIZ.
So it's cosmic creations kind of

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hold one word dot BIZ for
business, so.

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OK, good.
Because I remembered you had

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said that at a Zoom conference
at one point and I forgot to

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write it down.
So I'm, I'm so glad that you

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brought that up.
So you're also part of the

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Center for Unity and we've had
you and and other folks from

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Gabriel Reinberg, obviously one
of the leaders and tell us again

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what Center of Unity is supposed
to be about and all the

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different projects that are
going on.

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Oh, my goodness.
Well, the Center for Unity, our

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main goal is to bring the
teachings of the Urantia Book to

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the young people of the world
and to also let people know that

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the most important thing is
their personal relationship with

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God.
True religion is their personal

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relationship with God, and
that's what's really important.

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So we've tried to use modern
technology to bring the

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teachings to the young people of
the world.

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You know, many of us that many
times have said, you know, young

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people are not going to pick up
a 2097 page book.

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They're not going to go to the
library and try to find things

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like that.
They're all nowadays, they're

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all online, they're on social
media and places like that.

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They get, they get more out of a
5 minute video than they do out

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of a 2000 page book for sure.
So that's what we've tried to do

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is use modern technology and
they're primarily artificial

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intelligence right now,
honestly.

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And we're using that to bring
the revelation to young people.

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And I've often said, you know,
when you go fishing, you go

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fishing where the fish are and
you use the bait that they're

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looking for.
And that's what we're trying to

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do with the Center for Unity, is
bring this revelation and the

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teachings to the young people.
And we have several projects.

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Probably our biggest project at
the moment is discoverjesus.com

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and we've had several people,
experienced Uranti Book

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students, put that together.
There are over 500 essays on

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there about the people, places,
dates, topics, events from the

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Uranti Book, and there are many
different essays on there.

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And all those essays are
connected together through this

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network that that Gabriel
Reinberg created.

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And so you can go in there and
basically it's a custom made

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learning experience for your
auntie book.

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And you can go in there and
search for people and then you

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can see all the places connected
to that person, all the events

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connected to that person and all
the dates of those events.

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So it really is a custom made
learning experience for the

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ranch book.
It also has an audio feature

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where, and I'll talk about that
if you want, about the Your

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Ranch Book pod.
But we've also use AI to create

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an audio feature for each one of
those essays where not only can

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you read the essay, but you can
hear a short about 5 minute

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discussion of that essay.
And then also on, on

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discoverjesus.com.
The other big thing is the

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beautiful artwork that Gary Tom
created for us.

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And each one of the essays has a
unique artwork that he created

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for us.
And we're so blessed to have

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that because it really adds a
visual aspect to the, to the

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website that that pulls people
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So there's that the and then
I'll talk about the Urantia

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book, Urantia book, todd.com.
That was a project that came to

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us very suddenly.
It was, you know, one day

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Gabriel discovered that Google
had this thing called notebook

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LM.
And what you could do was upload

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text and it would make a podcast
out of that text.

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And so we uploaded each paper
and created your anti book

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pod.com.
So we did it over period about,

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I don't know, two or three weeks
or something like that.

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So it happened pretty quick, but
it is the most amazing thing.

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It's a lot of fun.
We listen to one of those

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podcasts each day and we've used
it in study group and this AI

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couple talk back and forth.
It's a man and a woman and AI

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voice.
It's all generated through AI.

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And they discussed that
particular paper and they'll

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tell jokes and they're kind of
light hearted and they make some

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really deep comparisons.
But it's a great way of

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introducing the book to new
people in a, you know, in a less

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intellectual way.
I'll put it that way.

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And so it's a lot of fun and we
we use that in our study Group A

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lot.
And then the other one is that I

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am so excited about is the
Rancher book, tutor.com,

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rancherbooktutor.com.
And So what that does, it's an

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AI program that's much more
advanced than the AI we were

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using a couple years ago.
You know, in the world of AIA,

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couple years is like ancient
history type thing.

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So this one's much more advanced
and you can put in a question

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and the real trick to it is
learning how to ask the

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question.
So you can, it's not like a

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glorified search engine or
anything like that.

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It's a real conversational
interactive AI discussion

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basically.
And you can go in and ask a

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question and whatever question
you can ask, you can say, well,

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can you tell me more about that?
Or you can you explain it

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further?
Or can you explain it in a way

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that a 10 year old child would
answer it or would, would

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understand it?
You can put in a, a Spanish

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question, you get a Spanish
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You can put in a French question
and you get a French response.

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So it's multilingual also.
And, you know, it's really this,

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the responses we get from it are
just so profound and it can do

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in two or three seconds what
would take you weeks and maybe

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months to research for a
particular question.

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And I'm just so excited about it
because I think it's going to be

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a really great tool.
And it's so far it's proving to

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be a really great tool.
What's you know, many people are

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out there using it.
We had 80 experienced Your Ranch

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book students volunteer to help
us troubleshoot it and go

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through the beta testing to find
the bugs in it and things like

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that.
So, but it's, no, it's doing

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pretty well and going well and
everybody seems to be really

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enjoying it.
I know I use it regularly.

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Like the other day I had a quote
in my head and I searched for it

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through the normal search
engine.

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I could not find that quote.
And I, you know, it's one of

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those things, I know what it
says, but I can't find it.

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So I put that into the ranch
book tutor and I said, can you

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find a quote that says something
like this?

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And boom, just like in, I don't
know, two or three seconds there

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it was.
So it's going to be a great

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study aid for individuals and
really great for, for study

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groups.
It's going to be good for

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anybody that wants to, you know,
write a book or do a

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presentation or create some kind
of secondary work at that sort

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of thing.
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Boy, the tools that are
available today that were not

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available when you and I first
encountered the book is

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astronomically advanced.
And one wonders, you know, will

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this accelerate the growth of
certainly will hopefully

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accelerate the awareness of the
Urantia book and in ways that we

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never would have imagined even
25 years ago.

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So have you seen the
transformative effect some of

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these things have had on people
that are just now learning about

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the Urantia book?
Oh, absolutely.

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Especially like
discoverjesus.com, I keep track

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of the the analytics on things
like that. discoverjesus.com is

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a little over a year and a half
old now.

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We introduced it just shortly
after the parliament.

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We were at the Parliament of
World Religions in 2023 and we

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introduced this just shortly
after that.

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But in like a year and a half or
so, we've had over 23,000

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individual people visit that.
And you know, that's from 100.

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And I think the last time I
looked as 143 different

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countries.
So, you know, we tend to think

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that the ranch book revelation,
this revelation is kind of a

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small thing because we're so
spread out.

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There doesn't seem to be many
people around that study the

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book, but when you look at it on
a worldwide basis and you see

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the reach that we've been able
to have with using the new

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technology.
You know, the AI is big part of

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it.
Social media is a big part of

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it, videos a big part of it.
And I remember the when the

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Internet came on and we were
able to do search engines, we

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thought that was the greatest
thing ever.

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And it was, well, this is going
to another even higher level

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with, with the AI being able to
not just be a, a glorified

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search engine, but to be
something even exponentially

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better than that.
So, yeah, we've seen just, you

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know, through our analytics, we
see the we're reaching a lot of

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people all around the world.
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And you know, it's, it's an
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sure.
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out there.
We are reaching people beyond

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the Urantia community with this
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I, I'm almost afraid to
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because then I'll just want to
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wouldn't want to do anything
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about AI is that they are in
and, and it is a remarkable

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tool.
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be abused for the wrong things,
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examples of that, of people
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creating video and, and that
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opinion, is it, is there any way
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corrupt the Urantia book
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Or, you know, because we've
heard that AI can sometimes it's

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kind of like Wikipedia, whoever
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influence what the output
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corrupted or or or risk
misrepresent some of the

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teachings of the Urantia book?
Oh sure, absolutely any anything

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that's, you know, man made like
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But for me, you know, I remember
when the Internet, I'm old

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enough to remember when there
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Internet came on.
When the Internet came out, you

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know, people were like, Oh my
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world.
People are going to be out of

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work, you know, and the Internet
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world, basically.
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thing about the AI, the
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But for me, The thing is that
it's just a tool.

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It's just another resource and
good people are going to do good

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things with it and bad people
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it.
And, you know, it's like the

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saying that all that's required
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people do nothing.
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that God has given us to further
this revelation, other people

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will.
So we need to occupy the field,

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as my friend Gaetan Shalan often
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field with within the AI to make
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and and that our good
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comes from it.
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It can be used for those kind of
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need to be making sure it's used
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I wonder if if it could be used
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substantiate some of the claims
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For example, we know that the
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know, discovering in in some of
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about diseases and how human
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default occurred, deprived us
of, of full integration of, of

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some of the more potent disease
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Urantia book readers, you know
what I'm talking about.

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Does the Urantia book can you
Can you cross reference and and

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and perhaps corroborate current
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presented in the Urantia book?
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able to do those kind of things
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or months to to put together.
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even if you have an inquiry like
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beyond that into related topics
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the question that you asked it,
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scientific thing or whatever.
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It can be used to correlate that
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Including cross referencing

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biblical passages too.
Oh, sure.

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Yeah, I haven't used it for
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Normally what I do when, when
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where I want to see what the
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of compare the ranch book to the
Bible and vice versa, is I like

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to use the parimony.
Parimony was written by a fellow

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named Dwayne Fall.
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physical book that takes quotes
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in a parallel column puts the
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it.
So you can search from something

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from the Urantia book to the
Bible.

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And then another part of the
book, you can search for a verse

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from the Bible and see what the
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it.
Fortunately, somebody has taken

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that and I'm sure they spend a
lot of time putting that on

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urantiabook.org and their
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I think it is.
But you know, that's an

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interesting question that I
haven't tried, but I'll have to

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do that though.
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Well, I'm going to try it and
I'm I'm sure that people

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listening to this podcast will
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urantiabooktutor.com.
And then all the other things

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that you talked about too.
We'll give sort of a rundown of

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some of those websites towards
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having with of course, Rick
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And Rick, let's get to the Bill
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addressing some of the
criticisms that that early

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readers about the book and I
know you're familiar with.

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Have you did you ever meet
William Sadler or did you get AI

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guess?
I did not.

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He had passed away by the time
you knew about, but certainly

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you've met other people that
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Oh, does anybody what's, what do
they say that he was like, what

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kind of I I heard he's a kindly
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From, from what I've heard, he's
a very kind gentleman, very

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intellectual, very intelligent
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And of course, his son, Bill
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intelligent and, you know, he
wrote the study of the Master

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Universe and which is a
fascinating book in itself.

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And but yeah, Doctor Sadler is
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ranch community and well thought
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And obviously it was a a very
curious mind.

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And I think that's so there was
a reason why they chose him to,

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you know, lead this revelation
back in, you know, the 1920s and

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30s and and all that into the
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So, but unfortunately I didn't
know him personally, but I've,

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you know, met people who who had
known him so.

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Yeah, and a lot of people don't
know that during the 20s he was

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very influential in modern
medicine and, and, and in modern

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psychiatry.
And I believe he studied a

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little bit with Carl Jung at one
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I'm not sure how I feel about
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just goes to show you the
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Many people actually accuse him
of creating and concocting this,

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you know, this book.
And in fact, I think the the the

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harshest.
Was from the great Mystery Cult

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book who I heard it hadn't even
hadn't even read the Urantia

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book.
You know, I think if anybody,

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anybody who actually has read,
like there's anybody who

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actually has read the Urantia
book knows that it cannot

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possibly be of human origin.
You have to remember that this

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book is almost 100 years old.
This is, this is one of my

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perspectives, I'll put it that
way.

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This book is almost 100 years
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And so if you look at the just
the language that is in the

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Uranti book and then you compare
it to the language in the

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writings of that period, it's
obviously much more advanced.

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And people didn't talk like that
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They didn't write like that back
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And then, you know, to come up
with all the different concepts

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and unique concept like you're
talking about.

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I think you've got the 64 unique
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If you look at just those, I
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anyone human being in 10
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that stuff, let alone, you know,
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So I think the book itself
proves that it's not was never

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written by Doctor Sadler or or
anyone else for that matter.

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It's a by the.
Way.

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Was the gentleman who wrote
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Oh, yeah.
And it's unfortunate because

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many people when they first hear
about the Urantia book, they do

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what a lot of people do when
they hear something.

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They'll go on and and do a
Google search.

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And then what comes up is one of
the first things that pops up is

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this Martin Gardner book, which
really attempts to discredit,

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discredit the Urantia book.
Yeah.

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Well, I think that's why, I
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revelators never, why they never
really wanted someone tied to

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the book itself, because we tend
to Revere the author, I think,

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and we often tend to judge
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So if there was a human attached
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Ranchi book, we would tend to
judge the book by the author

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rather than judging the book for
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And you know, you see that in in
the world nowadays.

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You see, you know, I don't watch
this movie because this actor,

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you know, was in there and I
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So I'm judging that movie.
You know, it might be a great

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movie by the actor that was in
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Or even politics today.
And politics is even worse.

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You know, I don't like your
politics, therefore I don't like

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you type thing.
Unfortunately, there's way too

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much of that in the world.
But I think that's why that they

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didn't want some human tide to
the book as far as like

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authorship and that sort of
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You were kind of addressing some
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but one of the chief criticisms
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Christians is that it seems to
contradict Scripture.

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But I, I have not found that to
be be true at all.

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I I've actually found that it
enhances some of the the more

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rudimentary stories.
And for example, the story of

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Abraham is much more fully
revealed in the Urantia book

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when it talks about his
relationship with the sage of

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Salem, who is actually mentioned
in the Bible numerous times.

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Melchizedek.
Where is in this in the Urantia

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book it, it goes full board on
the influence.

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Not only did that meant
Melchizedek have on our planet,

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but also the other that are part
of his team and and and it's a

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revelation to be told that they
actually still play a big role

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in our development.
It's just it's just an amazing

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book.
Could be, I say I should say

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it's an amazing collection of
teachings that are just so

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they're life changing.
You know, this is a book that

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you're, it's not like a normal
book that you're going to read

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once and lay it down and say,
well, I've read that.

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That was a great book.
This is going to be a book that

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you study for your entire life.
You know, life is a struggle.

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Life is hard.
And you know, but that's there's

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a purpose for that.
You know, you read about the

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inevitabilities.
And if you read the

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inevitabilities, it answers the
question of why do bad things

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happen to good people?
You know, and you know, recently

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I heard somebody say that your
answer book was a love letter

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from God.
And I thought that was really

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beautiful.
But for me, the arrange book,

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you know, how many times have we
all said, you know, I wish God

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had given me an owner's manual
or instruction manual with for

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life and that sort of thing.
But I really think he has, you

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know, yeah, it's not going.
It helps us.

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It may not help us solve our
mortal problems, our earthly

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problems, but it does help us
deal with those problems.

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And you know, it's all about how
we react to problems.

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It's really important and, and
how we react and, and deal with

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other people.
So I like to think that your

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range book is that instruction
manual or that handbook for life

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because it, you know, it's like,
OK, sure, you got problems in

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this border life, but this
border life is just a blink of

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the eye and it's the
kindergarten training ground for

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what's to come and what's to
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Don't worry, because what's to
come is so beautiful and so

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meaningful and so important and
so full of adventure and

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education and excitement.
Don't worry about what's

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happening in this life.
It's like Jesus said, what does

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it matter if the whole world
crumbles?

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You know, we don't need to worry
about that.

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Yeah, we have to deal with it.
We have to solve our moral

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00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,400
problems.
We have to pay the bills and

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00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,000
take care of problems.
But your Auntie Book assures us

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00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,160
that, you know, we are going to
get through this and greater

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00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,480
things are waiting for us.
I think that for me, you know, a

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00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,920
lot of people, that's usually
the first thing a lot of people

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00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,760
ask, well, who wrote it?
Where'd it come from?

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00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,680
And, you know, if you say, well,
it came from celestial beings, I

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00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,040
kind of look at you kind of
weird.

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00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,600
But for me, it's like a
beautiful Symphony, let's say.

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00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,080
I don't really care about how it
how the composer came to put all

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00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080
that together, but I enjoy the
Symphony.

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00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,120
So it's not really, I don't
really care where that Symphony

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00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,760
came from or how it was created
or that sort of thing.

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00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,360
But I enjoy the Symphony and I
think that's true for me.

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00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:39,760
With your Angie book, you read
it and it doesn't really matter

463
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,200
where it came from, honestly.
You read it and does it feel

464
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,280
like it's the truth to you?
Does it feel like truth, yes or

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00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,000
no?
If it does, then fine, just

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00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,200
accept it.
And yeah, you know, each of the

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00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,880
papers has its authorship at the
back.

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It tells of the celestial being
that was the the author of that

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00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
paper.
And I enjoy that.

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00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,800
I know many people do,
especially, you know, longer you

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00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,120
study this book, the more
meaningful that authorship

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00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,680
becomes.
But I don't really think that's,

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00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,800
you know, that's, that should
affect our understanding or

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00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,320
faith in the book itself or in
the teachings, I should say.

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00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,480
I remember 1 fellow that I
talked to was he was

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00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,480
disappointed that the Urantia
book didn't talk about UF OS and

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00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,360
aliens and that sort of thing.
And after I explained to him

478
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:41,320
that, well, it talks about
celestial beings and, you know,

479
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800
it talks about life on other
planets, and we talked about

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00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,760
that in in depth.
And finally he came to realize

481
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,400
that, you know, maybe it's not
talking about spaceships from

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00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,120
Mars, but what it is talking
about is something far greater

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00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,600
than the UFO's that he imagined.
And so that really helped him a

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00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,800
bunch.
And another thing I'll tell you

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00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,160
is that my wife, Susan, she's
part of the PERT program, the

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00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,880
Prison Inquiry Response Team.
And so we send your auntie books

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00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,360
to people in in prison and we
get some of the most beautiful

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00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:22,680
letters from inmates of how the
rancher book has changed their

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00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,560
life.
They're even having study groups

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00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,000
in prisons and things like that.
So the book makes a difference

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00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,000
with individuals like that.
And we didn't see like pastors

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00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,520
and prisons are ordering books
to put in the libraries and

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00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
things like that.
But I will, I'll share one

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00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,120
experience with you that we had.
This was more with the I will

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00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,440
ask Jesus chat bot that we, that
was our first AI project that we

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00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,880
in 2023, we were at, we had a
booth at the Parliament of World

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00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,040
Religions in Chicago for the
Center for Unity.

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00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,920
And we set up a computer there
and let people test the

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00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640
discoverjesus.com.
And the other one was our Ask

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00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,600
Jesus chat bot.
And so this lady came forward

501
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,200
and she's standing in front of
me and she has a young child

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00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:19,080
with her teenage type child.
And the child was obviously

503
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:24,480
distressed, wouldn't look at
you, excuse me, wouldn't make

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,920
eye contact or or even look up.
And so finally I said to this

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00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,920
child that, you know, I bet
you're interested in artificial

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440
intelligence.
And then they kind of perked up

507
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400
and said, we have, I said, we'll
come over and try ours.

508
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,040
So they came over and sat down
and got the keyboard and they

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00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,440
typed in who am I?
And I said, well, I don't think

510
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080
it'll answer that kind of a
question.

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00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,640
They won't answer something that
specific.

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480
But you know, let's just see
what it says.

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00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,320
So it came up with this.
You are a child of God.

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00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,080
You are loved and valued by the
creator of the universe.

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00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,600
You are part of a the family of
God and the brotherhood of man.

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00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520
And it was the most beautiful,
profound answer.

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,640
And that child got up and said
that was awesome.

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00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,040
So they walked away and came
back, I don't know, 5 minutes

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00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
later and now this child is
standing right in front of me,

520
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,840
looking me in the eye and
saying, can you tell me how to

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00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,600
follow Jesus?
Because I've just heard.

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00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,680
How can you tell me how to
become a Christian?

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00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Because I've decided I want to
follow Jesus.

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00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,680
And that right there is a
demonstration of what we can

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00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,000
accomplish when we use
technology to take these

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00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,440
teachings to individuals like
that that would never have read

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00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,600
the book otherwise.
So those are just a great story.

528
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,160
I've been blessed to be part of,
of UA.

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00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,280
I, I was, you know, when I was a
vice president of the Overton

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00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,440
Society.
And I've been blessed to be part

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00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,200
of many different projects and,
and organizations with this

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00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,120
revelation.
It's just I'm, I'm truly a

533
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,080
blessed person to be part of all
of it for sure.

534
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,080
The Urantia book does give us a
lot of advice on how to fix

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00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,280
things in our world today,
especially in part three of the

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00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600
book where it talks about the
different types of government

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00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,920
and the optimal government and,
and, and even its exposition of

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,520
life on another planet that's
very similar to our own.

539
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,600
You know, you would think that
this could be very valuable

540
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:32,080
information for our leaders.
Have you seen or are you aware

541
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,040
of you don't have to name names
or anything, but do you feel

542
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,120
confident that there are enough
smart people maybe in tech or

543
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,480
maybe in, in in roles of
government?

544
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Oh, I think so.
I think, you know, the ranch of

545
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920
people in the ranch community
and you know, several I know

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00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,040
have made a certainly made a
great effort to get the

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00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,240
teachings to people in power
positions.

548
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,040
You know, from what I've seen, I
suspect that the Pope has

549
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,240
probably 300 copies of the
Uranti book that he's received

550
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,000
from Uranti book students
through the years.

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00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,200
But you know, the the current
Pope is familiar with the Uranti

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00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120
book.
And if you look at some of the

553
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,960
daily things he put out, you
know, on an app that they had,

554
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,720
you can see almost direct quotes
from the Uranti book there.

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00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
And there's a story about how,
you know, it was on the desk of

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00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Bill Clinton and things like
that.

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00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,240
But you know, and I know I've
sent sections of the book to

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00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,040
different scientists.
I'll read something on the

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00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Internet about this scientific
discovery or somebody's looking

560
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,920
into it, this kind of research,
and I'll actually, you know,

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00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,360
copy and paste something out of
your answer book and send it to

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00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,440
them.
So I think that's, you know,

563
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,360
that's part of the, you know,
outreach or the dissemination of

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00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,320
these teachings as to do that
kind of thing and get it into

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00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,480
people's hands that are in the
in the position to have

566
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,760
influence over government.
And, you know, once they read

567
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,280
stuff like that, it's like my
wife Susan often says, you know,

568
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,880
once they see it, they can't
Unsee it.

569
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,360
So if we can get these teachings
and things like that, especially

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00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,440
with, you know, the celestial
government and that all that

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00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,400
into the hands of a real
government people, it can only

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00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,360
be good.
And we'll continue our

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discussion with Rick Lyon
talking about the Rancho book

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00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,280
and the future coming up here on
the Rancho Radio podcast.