My Interview with Gaetan Charland

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a moment gate on Charles on is a

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Canadian citizen who developed a
very early interest in religion.

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He found the Urantia book in
1979 while he was quote

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Desperately Seeking for
Spiritual truth.

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In 1997, he participated in a
study group for the first time

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and it changed his whole
perspective, on the meeting of

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the contents of the Rancho book.
And, in fact, his life in this

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interview, we talked a lot about
the Rancho movement, who we are

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our mission, his experience and
sharing the Revelation, plus

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truths.
He's learned along the way on

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the ranch Radio podcast.
So Gaitan.

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Tell us a little bit about you
and your background, okay?

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So my name is get that from
where I live in Canada and check

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out live in the province of
Quebec. 30 miles, north of

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Montreal in this small City,
that's called Saint Sufi, which

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is at the foothill of the
Laurentian mountains, which are

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the oldest mountain.
On the Rancher, according to the

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Rancher.
I've been a reader since 1979.

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I've been having a study group
since 1999 which is still going

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on.
To this day.

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I participated in many
activities or interrelated and

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the president, my local
Association.

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I'm also helping out on other
activities, such as nonprofit

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organization for mentally, not
disabled, mentally affected

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people, which suffer from
anxiety and panic attack.

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Presenters at many of their
conferences and I facilitate the

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group every week I brought you
on because you have an upcoming

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webinar, you do webinars and all
of the things that you talked

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about are things that I really
want to talk to you about.

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So I'm really just so blessed to
have you on the Rancher Radio

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podcast.
So let's start with the

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immediate present which and then
we'll go into some of the other

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more, interesting things of your
background and your experiences.

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And what's happening In the
ranch of book movement but talk

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about the webinar that's coming
up this week.

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And for those who may not hear
it or see it, who listen to this

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podcast afterwards?
Tell us what inspired you to

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want, to tackle the subject of
the Lucifer rebellion and its

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impact on us.
It also, the Revelation, I

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believe the name of the webinar
is Lucifer, the Revelation and

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us.
So, tell me what?

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What led you to want to do this
this seminar?

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Okay.
So, well, in fact, the real

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title is the luciferian way of
thinking the Revelation and us,

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as we know that the Lucifer
Rebellion has been over when

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Michael's came on her and and
finalized.

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In fact, he finalized the
Rebellion at that time, the work

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no more Rebellion, but we still
live in the effects of the

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Rebellion.
So, why was I interested in that

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subject?
Well, it's been in my mind. and

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for many years now, you know,
when the I traveled the world as

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president of arranged
Association International, I

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could see the difficulty of
people, you know, trying to come

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together and seeing there was
division among the movement.

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You know, there's been a split
in 89 which caused a lot of

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problem.
I remembered my own feeling when

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the split occur, how I felt
devastated, not only mentally

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and emotionally but spiritually.
So our but always to find a

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reason for for this happening.
Why did people People that are

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supposed to be arranged the book
readers.

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Those tabs are like you know,
the truth and then they choose

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to split the they shoot to
separate themselves into

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different entities and fight you
know for many years.

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So it's been an ongoing research
for me.

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And And so when I was taking
lately, you know, what could I

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do to help people improve their
way of living as to become

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really ambassadors of this
relation.

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So I made a presentation a while
ago, for you way, I which was

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called the father of God in the
and a Brotherhood of Man, I did

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the same in French, but while I
did the, when I Did the same in

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French?
I made it differently.

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Like I was inspired to see
different things, you know, like

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I don't prepare my presentation,
like, writing down everything.

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I use a few quotes.
I let myself Be Inspired at the

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moment when I need the people
who, who are present during the

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presentation.
So when I made that second

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presentation and French was much
inspired to do, maybe the same

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in English, but differently and
focus a little bit.

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Or on what I taught and
specially what's going on in the

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world at this time.
If we look at what the world is

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going through at this time, we
know there's a fight to change

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the orders of the world, you
know?

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We we see the what's happening?
We do crane and the in Russia we

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see what's happening with China
that there are nearly affiliated

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with Russia and they're waiting
to see what will happen and

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probably one day there will help
you know, invade Juan which is

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there therefore front in their
mind.

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So there's there's a change of
order in the world.

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At this time democracy is being
attack on all sides, even from

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within and has been attacked
with him for many years for many

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years now.
But what about the stretchable

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Creator?
Where do we stand?

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In all this doll, those
conflict.

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What can we do?
And this was the, the reason I

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made this webinar.
And for those who are familiar

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with the story, Lucifer, and I
would like to talk about that

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because you bring up a lot of
different points that we could,

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we could delve into among them
is the Liberty Doctrine, what we

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tell us.
In your words, Lucifer asserted

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three things when the rebellion
occurred, he challenged the

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authority of Michael he believed
that God was not real and he

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also believed that far too much
time was wasted on the Tendency

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program, the actual building of
Souls of Mortals into the

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Mirage, the world and then on
Beyond.

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But the the essence is it fair
to say that Lucifer's major sin

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was that he said that God didn't
exist.

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And today we see that in our
culture's the same thing that

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the emphasis is put on personal
Liberty without Cosmic

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responsibility Can you delve
into how he, how he has impacted

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Modern Life?
Well, some of it, many years

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ago, I participated in a lecture
at the University of Montreal

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where philosopher was
explaining, all the world was

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influenced by the philosophy of
Aristotle.

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Our lar were educational system
was based on mostly on this

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philosophy and that impressed me
a lot.

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So when I read about the Lucifer
rebellion and the consequence of

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it and everything, That the
Lucifer, Manifesto claim I feel

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well, you know, we've been
subject to the Lucifer Rebellion

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for this way of thinking for
200,000 years now.

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I compare that to rest.
Stop along we live about four

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hundred years before Christ, so
it's about only 200 and 400

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years from now and we've been
influenced by him.

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So, imagine the influence that
Lucifer has in our way of

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thinking.
If This way of thinking was

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influence for over 200,000 years
and in it influence not only

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were we thinking they influence
our Reflow, Sofia the influence

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our educational system that
influence our politics.

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They influence our health
system.

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You know it influence how we
think about family relationship

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will influence, how we think
about Liberty.

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You know I'm Canadian.
So when I look at how I see E,

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Liberty, and I look another
country, I'll baste your

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Liberty.
When I talk to other readers

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across the world, you know, it
when I go to, even when I go to

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us where I have many friends,
and when we talk about our

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different ways of thinking, I
can see that their, their

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perception of Liberties, quite
different than mine, how.

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So, so, give me an example, if
you could, yes, so why, why

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should that be, you know?
So, because in the day, our

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team, In the US that people
believe it's their right to know

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by the Constitution.
And you know many things it has

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to do also with pollution, for
example, the right to do

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whatever we do, you know, like
and you know like the right to

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home weapons, we don't have that
in Canada and we see for us, it

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is a fully to promote the use
of, you know, a broken to a

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home, you know, a weapon for any
kind of reason.

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Well, of course, we do have
people that go hunting and

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that's okay, but, you know, to
own a weapon, just to defend

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yourself, you know, when you're
supposed to be a country where

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you're supposed to be dead,
well, the most beautiful country

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in the world, the most powerful
country in the world where,

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where, you know, how dreams are
possible.

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How is it that you need to have
a weapon, carry a weapon which

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you all the time to protect
yourself, what kind of Liberty

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is that?
So for me that was, you know,

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quite a paradox to try to
understand that.

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And, you know, I've seen other
things, one day, I'm walking on

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the street with one of my
friend.

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I don't want to say his name.
Anyway.

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There's this guy going by with
the motorcycle y'know and those

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motorcycles that make a lot of
noise.

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My ear just I just urging and
I'm telling you any so I said,

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see this is so infant child in
such a way, so why do you say

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that?
You know, wow, that's Des

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Moines.
I like that noise, you know?

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And I said, well, don't you
think that noise is hurting a

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lot of people around some people
would like peace and this guy's

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going around but making all
kinds of noise in oh, is it the

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really necessary to enjoy riding
a motorcycle?

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Right right.
There is I think I think that's

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the kind of Liberty sometimes we
take without thinking because

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that's the way we are reaping
were.

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Well if I ever write to do, why
not, you know, and I could tell

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you another story about money,
you know, Financial that people

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believe that they can make a lot
of money.

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Why not spend it on all crazy
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You know, why not giving it away
to people that visit, you know,

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like charitable organization or
help?

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The world become a better place.
Why use it all for yourself

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instead of using Part of that
money to make the world better.

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So this is why I went to when I
travel around I was questioning

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myself and I met a lot of
people.

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I was privileged to make a lot
of people, a lot of people that

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have different views than mine
and try to evaluate.

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Am I right?
Or they write?

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Can we unify our talk to, you
know, can we meet somewhere

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where we are?
So this provoked, a lot of

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thinking and me and coming about
to look at what the Lucifer way

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of thinking, how was it
influencing the world today, and

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not only the World At Large but
us as a rentable Creator.

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This is what I want to explore
in that webinar.

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We have two major obvious things
that And one was the lack of of

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the of a planetary Prince of, of
a long-standing think of how the

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world would be different if
there had been no Rebellion.

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Adam and Eve would still be here
much like, you know, it reminded

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me when we were watching the
queen and the world was engaged

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with the the queen and her
funeral and you know to me that

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that's a sort of almost a
metaphor because human beings.

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We don't have that the we don't
have an atom and I need we don't

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have a long-established.
His culture Cultural Center, we

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were deprived of being taught
Revelation for, you know, at

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least 40,000 years, going back
to Adam and Eve.

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And then, of course, as you say,
you know, 200,000 years ago.

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So we are basically orphaned
from that from certain knowledge

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that would have maybe resulted
in us being far more advanced

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than we are today.
But what are the other things

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that the and is it fair to say
that?

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That man would not had.
Let's say Lucifer's Rebellion.

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Never occurred.
Is it fair to say that human

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beings themselves would have
tried to live without God as

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well?
Because because we're not as

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spiritually advanced.
In other words, if our

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evolutionary religion was all
that we had, it seems like today

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in the age of reasoning and
scientism.

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That we're discarding.
God as if he is an old cultural

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icon.
On.

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And I know that your Ranch a
book says it and I know all the

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great religious religious
leaders say this, but for

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whatever reason, most people
don't believe it, which is that

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if you have a society without
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going to last.
That seems to be the lesson that

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we're not learning and that's
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Why we're having some of these
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today.
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some romaine of the anatomy of
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spiritual to mutters taken from
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You know, are addiction, can it
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will be talking in my my webinar
is is about us who are?

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We us wrench, a book reader.
Why is it that we were

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interested in the Rancho book?
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What makes us different?
And I'm going to explore, you

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know, the difference between us
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We have shown the book in there,
not too interested in it.

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So what makes us different?
You know, in my family, my own

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family were seven children.
You know, the word to wit two

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girls and five boys, and in my
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children, only me, my sister and
my mother who had torrential,

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and I was lucky, you know, was
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got interests and differentiable
can even my younger sister, but

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they were not as interested in
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Yes.
And I have this to the group

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with them for many, many years.
So I was thinking many times,

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you know, why is it that for me,
the wrench, a book attracted me,

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why is it that sound Authority,
found me whatever.

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Why is it that it doesn't
attract other people, why is it?

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They're not interested in the
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Why is it that my family members
who have the same education that

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I have are not interested in it?
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He was the one that was
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father's will, but about his
brother and sister, a lot of

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them were you know, nothing yet.
Nip interested that he was yet

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the word from the same
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Even Jesus gave them that
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What made them different than
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And I think the secret is in
personality and I will explore a

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little bit about our own
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As a wrench of a Creator, but
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Do we have a personality that
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Creator you know, plan that we
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You know personality is given by
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to help us out in some ways.
So what if our personality, our

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distinct are different than
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Nothing different in the way
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Different in the way of its
potential in the way that we we

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are looking for truth all the
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You know, she look at the Rancho
book readers that have been that

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have found the book by
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looking for it.
What made them so much of the

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truth Seeker.
Why are they always searching

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for truth?
Looking for God, somewhere by

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Any, Which kind of way?
And yet you look at our other

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people that, you know, they're
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question.
So, I believe that the in the

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any population there are
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some are scientists summer,
artists, some are interested in

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healthcare, some are interested
in social welfare, whatever

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government politics family but
for us, we're interested in

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finding the truth and maybe we
are, you know, those profit of

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the new world in the old days
that we're traffic, made me wear

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those new profit that we are
there to see true True wherever

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we find, you know, a place where
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very fertile ground so and I
think we can explore this a

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little bit more and find our
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And what we can do about it, to
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You mentioned that well you
first of all you've been to

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probably more than the average
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So do you see commonalities in
personality traits of the people

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that you generally run into?
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Can you tell us about that?
What are those personality

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traits who are we Who do we tend
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I think, first of all I call
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We have a saying where we call.
We're mostly like GPS for True.

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People can again, see that?
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And and even is study groups,
you know, we have people in my

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own study, we've been having,
you know, different people for

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the last 22 years.
I've been having my study group

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and we've Been having people
that are steadfast, you know,

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they always want to know, more
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And they had, they are those
people that came in and, you

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know, they stayed for us for one
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your day less than other scheme
in than different type of

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people.
Some of them only stay for a few

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months, other state all the
time, you know, I have some

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people within my study group
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whole 22 years.
Some of them die, but some of

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them stay in, some of them are
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Depending on their satisfaction
with life, you know what's

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happening in their life and when
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group, that truly is looking for
two more than the others truly

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warning to grow more and more, I
found out that those people are

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always trying to find a way to
express what they have found.

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Either there are associated with
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the Venture community.
T.i. have people within our

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study group that are helping
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You know, we have houses where
people go when they have cancer

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and they will die.
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they go there to assist those
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this planet, I have other people
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to give them comfort, you know,
to to be a, you know, with them

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to talk with them, to read with
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them.
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I'm involved into another group
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from anxiety.
I have another person, my study

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group that's involved with the
local church and she took on

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some, you know, tours in that
church and be and be there to

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try to engage in other with
other people's and maybe plant

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seed in their mind in all about,
you know, some of their true

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containing rentable.
Then we have Oh, they're just

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they're you know they're just
reading and enjoying the company

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enjoying what we're doing within
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So they are different
personality than a study group

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and it's the same thing in the
whole community of Rancho book

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reader.
There are those who are want to

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work, who want to be involved,
very involved in the community,

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they take responsibility.
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have you no other service
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community.
Which we encourage very much

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because how is it that we will
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That we know that are so dear to
us how we will do that for not

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sharing them with people outside
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So I'm always engaging people,
you know, I'm always encouraging

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people within our group to go
outside and share with the

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people, they meet the truth.
Did they hold so dearly in

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there?
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But first to share those true
delivery, they need to

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incorporate those truth in their
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They need to live those truth to
be effective, you know, source

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of those troops.
You know, there's a writing that

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the president's message the
president of the ranch

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Association International.
As a matter of fact I'm sure you

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know him Enrique in Brazil
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Yeah he writes sort of
dovetailing on what you just

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said.
He says when we Act To attract

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more souls to the kingdom of
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There are many different
approaches but no matter which

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approach we use.
We certainly want everyone to

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feel the same attraction to the
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However, he says, I have
observed that some of us are

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convinced that converting our
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Revelation is a great grace and
a precious service to others and

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we offer deliver impassioned
speeches, but sometimes it gets

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people into trouble.
So and and he like, you, I Ink

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have been around long enough to
know that you have to do what

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the master Jesus taught us which
is you don't want to overwhelm

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people, you won't right.
Exactly.

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Well, well, we've all learned
that, you know, if you've been

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reading the book for a long and
you've been trying to pass the

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book along to other people, you
know, that a lot of people won't

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accept a book.
Only a very few will ever

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started reading it, and that was
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And I I've learned that some
other people also.

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When they share what they try to
do with the books, it's

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frustrating.
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Yeah.
And I, and I truly believe, you

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know, like the Bible says, if
you try to do something the same

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way all the time, and you expect
different levels, then there's

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something is wrong with you.
Your approach, you know, you

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have to realize, you have to
realize that you're not doing

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the right thing.
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Well, I am, I last podcast I
read paper 137, which is where

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Jesus gives his We first public
in the synagogue, after the four

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months of training with the
apostles and in my mind that was

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the, here's the son of man, the
Creator, son Master of the

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Universe, and he's giving his
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And then at the very end, the
roughly Midway our makes the

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point that really only about 30%
of his audience, whatever that

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audience was really even barely
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And he knew that he knew that he
in his message.

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He must have understood that
most people, it was going to go

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right over their head, but he
did it in such an impassioned

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way.
And by the way, the message that

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he gave on that day is still the
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fatherhood of God and the
Brotherhood of Man, and the

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kingdom is within you.
Those are the three precepts

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that haven't changed in two
thousand years, you know.

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And, you know, and you know
what, when I think I think that

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this truth, you know, that the
father is God.

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Our brother would have meant
appreciate that.

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God Lives within us.
Us is so powerful as a true and

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it is so simple, you know, and
it's saying that we disregarded

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as effective way.
We don't understand clearly what

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happens spiritually when that
when we accept that truth, you

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know when we really understand
the profound truth of it you

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know what does it do to a human
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And I Think Jesus knew that the
spirit of Truth would come after

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him.
You know, when he left this

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world.
And so you knew that because

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when he left this world, the
spirit of Truth would come in

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and then the adjuster would come
in the best.

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Truth would become a lot more
effective in the mind of man to

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transform them.
But it seems like a lot of

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people really get that truth of
the for tribulation and they're

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not thinking about it anymore
and most rentable Creator wants

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to share everything else that
they find in the book.

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You know, some P I was attracted
myself.

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I was not attracted by the life
of Jesus because I had read the

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Bible before.
I was more attracted by the Adam

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and Eve and the Lucifer
rebellion and everything else,

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you know about the history of
the Rancher can about what

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changed, you know, what can
change myself, what can change

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me, spiritually?
And then I only discovered that

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way after I read the book a few
times with my search about

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finding God, you know, I wanted
really to become different from

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one to become like Jesus.
This was and I think we forget,

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or we don't understand fully the
true meaning or the indication

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of that meaning, which is the
far the word of God and their

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brother would have man that
lives within ourselves and I

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think it's still in actual
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Today, it is today as important
live that reality and to teach

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their that reality, may be the
different ways, you know?

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Because they say so direction.
Will we have to use different?

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In terms nowadays because of the
modern civilization more related

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to family, but we need to find
new ways to Proclaim that truth.

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That is true that the challenge
because people today because of

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our obsession with words and not
being offended and making sure

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that our you know, our egos are
never ruffled.

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You know, we have to be careful
about and you're right.

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I have I I'm not kidding Gaitan.
I have had people tell me, never

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talk about Jesus, they get
offended, I don't understand

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that.
So do I, but it's the reality of

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our world because so many people
have used Jesus in the wrong

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way, they've used them, they use
the name Jesus, to Proclaim

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00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,900
their own ideas, their own
agenda, that they the spiritual

451
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:50,300
agenda, and that does the maybe
devalue the name Jesus.

452
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,900
But if we live with Jesus in our
heart, we don't need to talk

453
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:56,800
about this about him all the
time.

454
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,400
This more about this message
that is important.

455
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:03,200
And people were recognized that
I was like, you know, I have

456
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,200
experienced with my friends from
Africa in synagogue, don't know

457
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,400
you probably heard Musa.
The eye in a gal that created a

458
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,100
series of seminar and I took all
those seminar but I was

459
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:23,900
interested in how an influence.
The people especially the Muslim

460
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,600
people how is it that Muslim
people would be attracted to her

461
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,200
in trouble and now you're not
Imagine sharing dementia book

462
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
with Muslim people.
When they see that big part of

463
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,400
it is about Jesus A lot of them
will reject it right away.

464
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,500
So how is it that he was able to
share the UN chable to Muslim

465
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,600
people?
How did he go about it?

466
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,500
when did the very different way
than we did, a way that was very

467
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:55,800
respectful of the people living
around him and the community of

468
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,000
people around him, the culture
of the people in which he was

469
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,200
living in, And I learned from
from those seminar and today

470
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,300
they have school where they have
the teach every day, where every

471
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:13,500
week about 50 different people
around the world, to the zoom,

472
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:18,900
you know, application and they
created a school which is called

473
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,300
surges, didn't Progressive.
They have a website now which is

474
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,900
French and English and I will
share that link and during my

475
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,700
presentation.
And there's also another school

476
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,400
that I took courses, they're
more focused.

477
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:34,100
Has on how we shared the
teaching.

478
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,200
You know, we sometimes we forget
that on this world that we are

479
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:45,200
in now Christianity as at least
two billion followers that's

480
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,300
quite an army.
You know, when you look at it,

481
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:52,200
two million, two billion people
that are Christian in this

482
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200
world.
And sometimes we forget that,

483
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,600
you know, if we bring those
people along, To accept the

484
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000
truth of the fatherhood of God
and the Brotherhood of Man in

485
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,700
that girl is with him them, then
they become free of all those

486
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:13,000
Dogma because they'll start
thinking about their home, some

487
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,800
ship with God and that's cool.
They that those people that

488
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,100
created, that s called, are they
call it?

489
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:22,000
The the school of Ambassador was
created by the crisis

490
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
experiment, people.
Therefore, people didn't cated

491
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,000
totally to help Christian Become
Believers in torrential books

492
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,900
teaching.
Someone was telling me about

493
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:33,700
Julia to.
Yeah.

494
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,700
I recently heard about that and
a lot of people, you know,

495
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,500
because the thing is, is
sometimes when people hear about

496
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,700
them where they come from, first
of all, there were at the

497
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:50,200
beginning G / witness, they left
their church because they found

498
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,900
you're in trouble and they
wanted to share their range of

499
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:55,100
work with other people of their
own Community.

500
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:58,100
But they found out that a lot of
people their own Community with

501
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:01,200
Not acceptable, but they found
ways to do that.

502
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,200
This, they found ways to bring
respectfully.

503
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,600
That's the problem.
You know, when I start thinking

504
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,100
about that, I was thinking about
the fruit of the spirit and

505
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:13,500
there's a spoof of the spirit,
you know, there are nine of

506
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,400
them.
There's a fruit of the spirit

507
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,400
the night.
I think it's the night once

508
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,700
called penetrance, I don't know
what's called an English chakra.

509
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,100
In French children, happy do
it's too so it's the food that

510
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:26,800
the script we don't.
Exactly.

511
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,200
You know, talk about the
competence or Temperance is to

512
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,200
restrain our self, you know,
when we're so enthusiastic to

513
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,700
share too many things, you know,
to give too much to drink too

514
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,300
much.
Usually tempt entrances is

515
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:46,800
associated with drinking or
eating you know, for people that

516
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600
drink alcohol but entrance is
also for spiritual thing.

517
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,800
We connect share with baby.
A steak, we connect share

518
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,000
something, everything we know
and that's in the rinsable to

519
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,300
someone.
That's still a baby spiritually

520
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:05,100
and Jesus understood them.
So those people that kreis

521
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:09,500
experiment what they did because
of their long long association

522
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:13,000
with the ajooba witness and all
the courses that they took in

523
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,100
Ministry.
They knew they had some

524
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,800
experience and out to share true
because they've been

525
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,400
experiencing those things for
years, you know, trying to bring

526
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,000
people into the Durante a
Jehovah Witness movement.

527
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,400
Now they took all that
experience and they created a

528
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,900
course which is called School of
ambassadors.

529
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:37,400
And they'd that course they show
you how to bring people that are

530
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Christian to differentiable.
But sometimes people because

531
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
they say are there would you
witness their nephew will

532
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400
witness?
They weren't you over with this.

533
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,400
You know I was a Roman Catholic
before some people were Muslims

534
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,300
before or still are Muslim.
Some people were Jewish.

535
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,800
Yeah.
That as long as you found God

536
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,500
that you found torrential
booking one, share that truth,

537
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200
you're no more part of that
group, you know, your something

538
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,900
different.
And if people would truly

539
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:08,900
engaged himself in taking
course.

540
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,800
And of course the other course,
At I took a course in uui, you

541
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,100
ran to your University
Institute, of course that was

542
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,300
given by Marvin got win with
you, the family of God which I

543
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:24,400
found very very enlightening and
very useful to find out who we

544
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,199
are as children of God.
And I'm pretty sure they all

545
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,600
kinds of course at the different
school like Hubie is or other

546
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:36,699
that are very very good for us
to learn how to share the

547
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:40,300
teaching, but there should be
more courses being available.

548
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Available on how to share the
teaching but that only out to

549
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,600
share it.
But how to change ourselves?

550
00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:49,800
Because we need to be good
messenger.

551
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Not only gives message away but
we need to be the message, not

552
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,600
only to share the message and
that's the hardest thing to do,

553
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,200
I think?
You said that when you first

554
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,200
started going to the meetings
that changed your life and it

555
00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:11,700
changed your approach to the way
that you looked at the Urantia

556
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:14,800
book because you had had it
already in possession for a

557
00:35:14,808 --> 00:35:17,300
couple of years.
So what was the value of the

558
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:19,300
study group?
What did you get from it to

559
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:25,900
change your perception?
I can say that my when I first

560
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:29,200
participated in mice, the first
study group participated in

561
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,000
1987, that was a few years.
After I found a book, I found a

562
00:35:33,008 --> 00:35:39,000
book in 1979, it took me about a
year and a half to read it, and

563
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,500
after I read it, I took a little
break, you know, trying to make

564
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,600
sense of it.
In my mind, one question I had

565
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,800
was is this all true?
I have to struggle with that

566
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,400
thought, you know?
If it's true then I have to live

567
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,000
according to what it says if
it's not true, well what is it?

568
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,900
Maybe I just discard it.
So I let it aside for a while

569
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:08,100
and after two years of that,
When I taught about it, I was

570
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,700
at.
I was a bit mad at myself mad at

571
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,400
myself, right?
For having read that book

572
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,900
Because I had taken the
decision.

573
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:18,800
That was the truth that I was
reading.

574
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,200
I decided that wrench from, or
was it was what I was looking

575
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,600
for all my life and if it was
what it was, the truth I needed

576
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,300
to put my act together because I
wish you knew living a very good

577
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,700
life at that time like many,
many people, you know.

578
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,300
No, I was involved in in
alcohol, not that much work and

579
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:44,100
I took marijuana a little bit,
but I was drinking too much for

580
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:49,700
my own known help.
So in 1987, when I decided that

581
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,500
shit, you know, I have to move
forward.

582
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,400
So I decided to join a study
group, that was my first group

583
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,500
because my first experience with
other reader.

584
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:03,000
I have the different experience
with our reader and difference

585
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:05,700
meeting.
Where were we?

586
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,800
L3 gathered for Michael's
birthday.

587
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,200
I remember 1982, I went to such
a meeting and when I saw the

588
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,400
people there, you know I saw
kind of people in there were two

589
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,100
of these people that were there
that were supposedly Channing

590
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,400
and they'll kids a day and the
word dress like a big can of

591
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,100
white white rolled and they were
playing music and all this and I

592
00:37:26,108 --> 00:37:29,300
say wow you know this is not
what I'm looking for.

593
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,300
This is crazy, you know, I don't
want to be part of a group that

594
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,400
AB such people in that Jen.
I want to be In part of the

595
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,100
group that people want to do
good in life, you know, they're

596
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:42,200
good people, they're looking for
true that people that think

597
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,700
they're, you know, milk should
Echo whatever, right?

598
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,900
So I left completely the
movement of that day and I went

599
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:52,200
alone myself.
And so in 1987, I decided when I

600
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,900
want to turn my life around to
participate.

601
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:59,400
My first study group and when I
did that it was like for me I

602
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,700
was finding the book again, it
was like a new book because I

603
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:10,500
was From other people, different
ways of looking at truth and

604
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,300
there's one thing I did not
understand that the big welder,

605
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:16,700
many things that did nothing to
stand by first reading and one

606
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,900
of them was just Supreme, I did
not understand what it was to

607
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:23,200
Supreme.
And when we read, when we read

608
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,900
that into the meeting in our
study group and I finally got

609
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:34,200
it, well, not all of it, but got
enough of it to understand one

610
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,500
of the cleaning it.
Transform.

611
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:40,600
It took me two years to make
adjustment in my mind to really,

612
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,000
you know, all the all the
meanings of it, you know,

613
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400
compared to the other crew
container in trouble.

614
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:53,000
And I was so amazed what the did
to me that I say, wow, study

615
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,400
groups are the place where you
can learn something something

616
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400
different.
It's like everyone is a new

617
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,800
book.
Everyone reads a book

618
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,100
differently.
So every time you listen to one

619
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:06,400
of them, it's like you're
reading a different You're

620
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,800
reading a different perspective,
different meaning.

621
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,600
And in our group.
Now, what we have with, what I

622
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,800
ask people to do, is what touch
you and what you read?

623
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,100
Tell me how it affects you,
spiritually.

624
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:23,200
Tell me how we can apply this
truth.

625
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,700
We just read in your life.
What is it?

626
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:29,200
That really motivates you?
What is it that attracts you to

627
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,700
the family?
And so we have a lot of group,

628
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:37,900
we read slowly but people share
their True profound spiritual

629
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,600
impression or emotion of what
they re that's that's quite an

630
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,800
experience because then people,
you know, will will associate

631
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,700
with those understanding their
service experience with that.

632
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,600
Sometimes people are involving
different Services outside the

633
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,700
community, and they will come
back there.

634
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,500
Say here I am, I haven't that
experience.

635
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,300
And this is where the day that
knowledge was useful for me.

636
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,600
And I did that also with myself,
when I, when I had business, I

637
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,600
have the fu business, I still
have my own business but I don't

638
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,800
go to them anymore.
I have a partner, but all those

639
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,000
years that I had, you know,
managing my business, I was

640
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,900
trying to put in those business,
those principle that I found in

641
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:26,900
wrench ago and it made a lot of
difference in my life.

642
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,100
So I think everyone can do that.
That is true.

643
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,400
This is what stood out for me.
Yeah I think the book and the

644
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:38,500
study group seeing other people
it actually wants me.

645
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,900
Motivates me.
Maybe you others to be a better

646
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:46,500
person because you're living for
a more greater cause you're part

647
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:51,100
of a citizenship, it's like, you
know, Jesus says don't strive

648
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,200
with men.
You are not of them.

649
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,500
Once you accept your citizenship
role I suppose and that's just

650
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Just really interesting and I
love what you say about the

651
00:41:02,608 --> 00:41:05,600
study groups.
I found it very comforting just

652
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,700
to meet people who could, I
wasn't afraid to talk openly

653
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:12,700
about the Iran Chabot, because
you're right and kind of going

654
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:14,200
back to what I was saying
earlier.

655
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,400
You know, here's the master of
the universe 30% of his audience

656
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:22,200
kind of understood his message,
but even today, it's still that

657
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,400
way.
It seems like it's a great

658
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,900
message, but it's still going to
fall on a lot of deaf ears

659
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,600
because let's face it.
A lot of people.

660
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,400
Like you said, he can't give a
steak to a child.

661
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:36,000
If your if your spiritual
language is if you're

662
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,900
spiritually, illiterate weather
is no soil for any truth to grow

663
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:46,700
in your head then it's going to
be a tough struggle and I know

664
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,200
I've never felt compelled.
I think I gave up after about

665
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,600
the fourth year of trying to
convince people it's just it

666
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,500
wasn't worth it to me to try to
you know advocate for the

667
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,200
Urantia book.
I'd be I met make it known that

668
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,600
I read it.
People want to ask me questions

669
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,500
or if they like what I say about
things then then it's a great

670
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:10,300
conversation starter.
But so I want to go back real

671
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,700
quick.
This is so important Gaitan.

672
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:17,900
Charles Allen is with us and you
have such a rich experience

673
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:21,800
being now even today, a trustee
with your range of foundation,

674
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:28,500
president of Urantia Association
International Also, working with

675
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:35,500
people who have acute anxiety.
So today mental illness is such

676
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,100
a big issue in the Western
World.

677
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,500
Do you think that the Rancho
book and it's Urantia book and

678
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:45,300
its approach to helping us
understand how the mind works

679
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,500
could help a lot of people with
their anxiety with their for

680
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,700
their depression.
Why do we have such?

681
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,700
What is causing this upsurge in
mental illness?

682
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
And how and how does the arrange
a book maybe solve some day?

683
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:05,600
First of all, I want to make a
little correction.

684
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,300
I'm not a trustee of are was
Foundation.

685
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:19,100
I'm an associate trustees, has
very different but concerning

686
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:22,000
mental illness, why was so much
interested in it?

687
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Because at one time I suffered
from panic attack.

688
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:29,800
So that's where that Affliction.
I mean, in fact, I use the

689
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:35,400
deflection to become a service
oriented toward this.

690
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,700
This group of people, that
suffers was an opportunity for

691
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:43,100
me because I got to understand
what it was, you know, having a

692
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:48,200
panic attack having anxiety,
attacking on all this, and the

693
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,200
cause of it.
Also, because they are many

694
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200
cause to anxiety and panic
attack is there's just one,

695
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,100
cause in the first thing I
remembered when there was some

696
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:01,300
friends at home, one Sunday, and
I was telling them many years

697
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:03,700
ago.
Was made in the year. 2000 at

698
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,400
the beginning of the year 2000.
And I told him I had panic

699
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,800
attack and the were rentable key
reader and you know what?

700
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,600
They told me, they says no,
where is your faith?

701
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:18,600
Like I didn't have faith that
because I didn't have faith, I

702
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,000
was having panic attacks and,
you know and I thought to

703
00:44:23,008 --> 00:44:26,100
myself, well, you know what is
it?

704
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,600
Is it true that I'm lacking?
Save this why I have anxiety and

705
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,700
panic attack and I see Find out.
No.

706
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:37,300
Well, of course, faith can help
us overcome anxiety, But anxiety

707
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:39,200
is not caused by a lack of
faith.

708
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,200
It's caused by many, many other
things.

709
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:46,300
And so, I devoted while it's
over 20 years now, 22 years that

710
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,200
I've been going to that group
and devoted.

711
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,900
Every week, I help people that
group with different people

712
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:54,300
coming in every week to that
group.

713
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,700
I made conference for that
organization and Hospital, many

714
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,600
many time in schools in old
people, home to help.

715
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:03,700
People understand what was
anxiety.

716
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,700
And you know what?
When I took the seminar from

717
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:11,100
Musa in 2000.
Well, you look in 2000 exactly

718
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,400
2002.
After I met him in New York, I

719
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,800
went to Africa with my friend.
Apparently, my wife and we took

720
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,400
the first seminar and I was so
and astounded, you know, was so

721
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,500
enlightened by what he said
about the mind and

722
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:31,200
Consciousness, how the work with
personality and his first sit in

723
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,400
our That it changed the way I
look at the adjutant

724
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,700
mind-spirits and the mind I
understood mind.

725
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:41,100
But not like, he was explaining
it because like he was, you

726
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,800
know, had taught about this for
years and years and years

727
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,000
because it was a psychologist.
In fact, he was a social

728
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,200
psychologist and teaching that
and University of the car for

729
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,500
many, many years.
So, I use the knowledge of the

730
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:57,800
Mind what they talk about the
mind and Rancher book, and that

731
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Force even are in fact, even
this week.

732
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:06,200
When I went to do help those
people to their the meeting

733
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,700
lasts for two hours, it's how it
works.

734
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:13,400
And after the meeting is Theory,
you know, like I talked about

735
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,300
what is anxiety.
I talk about different tools to

736
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,700
control anxiety, and I talked
about different ways that we can

737
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,400
manage anxiety.
And the second part is people

738
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,100
coming together and they're
changing their problem.

739
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:29,000
You know, we have question, we
asked them and each one of them

740
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,100
has to answer and I used this
This one hour, this first one

741
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:37,800
hour, and this week, I use that
one to talk about the mind and

742
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,700
the spiritual reality, how it
can help resolving the problem

743
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,200
that excit.
So, everything that I learned

744
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,200
from dementia book, I tried to
put it in the way when they talk

745
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,600
about the mine, in a way that
will be consumable, will be

746
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,600
agreeable to their own mind to
their own comprehension.

747
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,600
So I make drawings, I explained
the mind a little bit.

748
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:05,200
The brain, then the Mind
overlapping, the brain, then I

749
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,600
put on the side Diego, I put the
aside, did the soul?

750
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:12,600
I put on top the personality.
I don't talk about the adjuster,

751
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,700
but I talked it and different in
their indirect way like the

752
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,700
heart, you know, when we feel
something in that way hard, I

753
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:22,700
said, this is the spirit within
you and you have potential.

754
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,800
So I use all this knowledge to
teach people.

755
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,800
I never talk about
differentiable.

756
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Never.
Because, you know, that would

757
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,500
probably chase people away and
and it would not be good for the

758
00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:40,400
organization that I serve.
So, but I teach a lot of things

759
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,000
that I learned in Richie book.
I talk to them about the tree

760
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,200
Value.
Beauty goodness, and through and

761
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,700
what are those tree reality,
those tree value, how they can

762
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,300
change themselves.
I talked about the damn of the

763
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,800
words.
They used to express, you know,

764
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,000
are they good words?
Yes.

765
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:02,500
And with their actions, how they
influence their spiritual

766
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:07,300
progression, why spiritual
progression is so important to

767
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,900
resolving the problem of
anxiety, that, that they will

768
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,200
will always have anxiety in our
life because people that suffer

769
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,300
from society as could this
position sometimes genetic

770
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:23,200
predisposition it's as to do
with the expression of the gene,

771
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,000
but it doesn't change the gene,
but I use the one I learned from

772
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,400
the Rancher book in.
A lot in what I do with this

773
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:33,300
organization and they'd help
people.

774
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:37,800
Do you, when you read the
arrange a book and it talks

775
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,900
about feeble-mindedness, and
we're makes the distinction

776
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,300
between the different levels of
thinking.

777
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,500
How do you interpret, how do you
interpret that?

778
00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:49,100
Is it, is it in?
Does it offend you does?

779
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:52,100
It does it, do you think that it
sets people up is?

780
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Where could create potential
problems of superiority

781
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,900
complexes?
If things like that?

782
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,900
What was your interpretation
when they and their?

783
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:02,600
They don't?
They don't brag too much about

784
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,900
the human mind.
They say that we give our the

785
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,900
human brain.
A lot more credit than it

786
00:49:06,908 --> 00:49:10,400
deserves, which I find to be
humorous, somewhat

787
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,400
self-deprecating.
But yeah, what do you mean to

788
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,400
talk about that to those people
that suffer some anxiety or the

789
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,600
people at large?
No, I'm just in general, like

790
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:27,200
your interpretation the Urantia
book many times when it talks

791
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,600
about we tend to have a higher
perception of our intellect.

792
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Intellectual keenness.
Then we show I think that's what

793
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,500
I call spiritual Pride for
Enterprise.

794
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,300
Right.
Do you see the going back to

795
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:48,900
that though?
Seriously though because it's

796
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,500
very important.
Do you believe that secularism

797
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,200
has a lot to do with the anxiety
that's going on in the world?

798
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:04,500
In some way, I can see my own,
my own country in around the

799
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,400
people that go to help in the
people around me, my own

800
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,700
community that people today are
not like the word before, you

801
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:17,100
know, they're not as much
believer in God as they were

802
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,200
before, you know, their family,
their parents or whatever.

803
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,100
So they had slept beside.
The McCann has mm that could

804
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,000
provide them comfort and
progress, spiritual progress,

805
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,900
for example, prayer.
And I think a lot of even us

806
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,200
rentable Creator.
I've met so many wrench, a book

807
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,900
reader.
They told me they don't create.

808
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:40,900
I could never understand that at
all, but they are not no, we

809
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,200
don't play with me, only God
knows what we want.

810
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,500
So why should we create?
And I think people misunderstand

811
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,000
the power of prayer trailer is
one important.

812
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,500
Very, very important tools.
To grow spiritually.

813
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:58,300
And the more we grow
spiritually, the less, all those

814
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:03,500
problems of Life become really
entrance in our Evolution

815
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,100
spiritual evolution.
In other thing that I do, and a

816
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:10,500
lot of people are not doing
effectively or doing on a

817
00:51:10,508 --> 00:51:16,200
regular basis and dedication.
And if we lead, if we paper 160

818
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,500
162, when I tell you, which is
the road and paper, he talks a

819
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:22,800
lot about Jesus.
Going the hills and did it.

820
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,300
Thing.
But not the meditation that we

821
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:29,500
know about today, you know,
which is called mindfulness

822
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:33,100
meditation or, you know, to
personal meditation.

823
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:35,300
All those in do is and
meditation.

824
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:38,800
They're not that kind of
meditation that Jesus was doing

825
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,200
and there was a paper that was
written by Peter Ali, which was

826
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,600
published in the the messenger.
And you I UA I Journal many

827
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,800
years ago that explain what kind
of meditation Jesus was doing.

828
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,200
And this is the kind of That I
do every day and I found out

829
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,400
that after many years been doing
that for years now after many

830
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,900
many years I find out that what
I meditate in the morning it

831
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,600
changed my day and if I don't
meditate which I don't anymore,

832
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:11,800
I don't pass a day without
meditation but if it would

833
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,100
happen, remember the past I
would miss it.

834
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:18,800
They that they are would not
feel well in my mind something

835
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,100
was missing that connection was
missing.

836
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:27,100
So for me, Prayer.
Meditation and service are the

837
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:31,700
three things that potential.
To grow spiritually and when you

838
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:36,300
are growing spiritually you
don't suffer, you know, from

839
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,800
panic attack.
I know that panic attack in

840
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,500
more.
Of course I still have anxiety

841
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:45,400
like any normal human being But
it doesn't disrupt my life.

842
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,800
And I believe that, you know, if
people would engage more in

843
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,100
those activities, even the
wrench, a book reader, that will

844
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,600
get more inspired on how to
share the crew.

845
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:01,700
It will transform themselves.
I'm not saying that some of them

846
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,600
are not, you know, all of them
are not praying or meditating.

847
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,200
I believe that a lot of our
frame, but there are still some

848
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:11,000
that don't believe in the power
of prayer, didn't think that's

849
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:16,000
as important as it is.
So, I think that the tools are

850
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,200
all there for us in the Rancho
book to grow spiritually.

851
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,000
It's just for us to use it, but
it takes discipline.

852
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,900
For example, if I have an
appointment early in the

853
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:29,900
morning, well, I will make sure
I will get up at least an hour

854
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,700
earlier.
So to make sure that I have my

855
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,100
our meditation in the morning,
that's how in my meditation.

856
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:39,400
The morning.
What I do before I meditate, I

857
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,000
read two things.
We have meditation, you know,

858
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,500
like small message.
The inner voice.

859
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,400
It's called a book written by LM
caddy.

860
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:51,100
And then there's few passage
Adventure book underneath, it's

861
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:54,900
a, it's kind of meditation
message that's sent to every

862
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,500
members of our organization.
Sorry about the thought of the

863
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,300
day that that I've been getting
for 20 years from the

864
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,200
foundation, right?
It's a little word of that.

865
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,900
No, it's a different one.
It's one.

866
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:13,500
That was the initiator of that.
You took from that.

867
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,300
That small voice.
It's a book that was written by

868
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:22,600
Lynn caddies 365 meditation and
it's related, I believe she must

869
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,100
have read the winter broken some
time, because everything that

870
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:29,500
she says, most of it, you can
find, you know, relation to it

871
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,100
in the range of them and keep a
home where they did.

872
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:36,700
He put some quotes from you,
venture book, associated with

873
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:39,000
whatever.
That woman was, was, she was

874
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,100
writing in her in her book of my
daily meditation.

875
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,800
And then after I read, I'd that
I read were in trouble, I read

876
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,200
at least a chapter of dementia
book and then I go in the

877
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,100
meditation and prayer and that
makes quite a difference.

878
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,400
And in those meditation,
sometimes I got inspiration of

879
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
what I will do during the day or
what I was talking about when I

880
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,200
want to go now, people and I
will pray for guidance and

881
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,800
wisdom in.
Those meditation are so

882
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,800
powerful.
Now, you know, they because the

883
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,900
more I do then, The more, I
filled their power, but they

884
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:18,900
takes time, and a lot of people
don't want to wait for that

885
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:21,000
time.
They want, you know, the results

886
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,100
right away, it doesn't work that
way, prayer, and meditation

887
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,800
takes a while for us to feel the
change.

888
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,100
That it makes an us, we have to
be patient, but God works in

889
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:33,700
mysterious way.
Like we say.

890
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:36,200
So we have to, we have to have
faith.

891
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,800
Final question for you sir and I
appreciate you joining me on the

892
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,900
podcast and I know a lot of
people are very grateful that

893
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:47,100
you have stopped in to share
some of your experience and your

894
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:49,600
Insight.
So we're at that stage now where

895
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,900
it's not like 1982 where you
know there were a few of us

896
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:57,600
couple groups here you know
couple groups there now it's all

897
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,900
over the place.
I'm most surprised I think about

898
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,400
Africa.
It seems like there is a lot of

899
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,300
soil rich soil, very receptive
to the ranch.

900
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,000
A book in the Revelation and
rent and Africa.

901
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Just such a scarred country.
But when do we get to critical

902
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,300
mass?
Where people start talking about

903
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:22,800
it or you you know, you know
what I mean, critical mass, you

904
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,700
understand where we get to that
point where we're no longer in

905
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:29,700
the shadows?
It seems like we're getting

906
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:33,000
there.
We'll get there.

907
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,200
And when we finally resolve our
problem of unity, Like I say,

908
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,100
you know, like that, I say, but
like Jesus says, A House Divided

909
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:46,400
within itself cannot stand.
And if we have better, if we

910
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,500
are, as a community, says, the
challenge that's ahead of us

911
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,900
with the changing of the world
order light.

912
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:59,200
It's coming well for not United.
We won't succeed that what we're

913
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,900
supposed to be doing.
We'll have to wait for another

914
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:06,200
generation to take the lead.
And so we have to resolve our

915
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,900
issue.
We have to come together and be

916
00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:12,800
United as a front like the
Midway creature.

917
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,500
Did you know the Midway
creatures were separated that if

918
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:20,000
the the first made with the
second were so Midway and they

919
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,800
came and they said what the
Midway, you know we're doing

920
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,200
they will succeed whatever?
You know when they reunited

921
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,000
doing something, they always
succeed.

922
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,000
And we have to take that example
we have to live by the words of

923
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Jesus.
Slightly says, you know, we have

924
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,700
to be United but not necessarily
the formally and when our

925
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:44,500
expression but we have to be
United and purpose and show to

926
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,000
the world, a united front.
We're not doing that at this

927
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,000
time and maybe because we're not
doing that a lot of the young

928
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,100
people and the joining us, you
know, it's the question of the

929
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,700
hour.
Now how is it that there's only

930
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:01,900
old people in the movement.
Look in the u.s. you see many

931
00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:05,100
young people joining the
movement like this, The 16, this

932
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:09,500
evening, no, in Canada, who same
thing, the only place I see on

933
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:11,300
people's the new country will go
in.

934
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:15,700
But how long would laugh?
And I've seen even in the other

935
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,900
country, like in South America,
or even in Africa, when they

936
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:24,600
see, there's division among the
association, it gives them

937
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,400
confusion, cause confusion.
And when there is confusion,

938
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,900
there's no growth.
I've seen that so many times but

939
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,000
for people to understand that
they have to have the experience

940
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,900
of traveling and seeing what
happened and then only traveling

941
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:44,400
and see what happen but
experiencing what's happening

942
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,600
and experiencing?
What's happening is that you

943
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:52,000
have to be in service, try to
promote Unity.

944
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,100
And when you see that, you have
a problem doing that because

945
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,400
there's no coordination of
effort moving along.

946
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:02,700
You see our computation can be
so disheartening.

947
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:07,900
So like an old African proverb
says that I learn.

948
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,100
If she want to go fast, go
alone.

949
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,700
If you want to go far go as a
group.

950
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:17,900
So who wants to go far as an
organization?

951
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:22,600
We need to go as a group that
has many groups as one group.

952
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:24,700
This is my, this is what I
believe in.

953
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,900
Well, gaita Gaitan.
Charles and I want to thank you

954
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:33,000
again for joining me on the
ranch a radio Podcast.

955
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,400
I know that unfortunately, your
Zoom, your webinars coming up

956
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,400
this weekend, but it'll be up,
hopefully, then in they'll be a

957
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,500
place where you can watch it if
you don't make it if you hear

958
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:47,800
this podcast and it's next week
and you're enjoying Thanksgiving

959
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,200
with everyone.
But is will there be a place

960
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,300
where people can watch the
webinar after it's been done?

961
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,000
Or do you post it on the
association website?

962
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:01,200
We're can we find that?
It will be posted on YouTube,

963
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,800
the change, the association, or
anxious insertion of

964
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,800
international.
YouTube chain Channel, it will

965
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,300
be post on some local
Association.

966
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:15,800
I've posted on Vimeo, I have a
we have in our local Association

967
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,200
delay website.
We also have a YouTube channel

968
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,300
and will be posted on our own
website so it will be posted at

969
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:25,900
different places so and then
they're probably an announcement

970
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:27,600
to say words suppose that after
work.

971
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,300
Terrific.
Thank you again.

972
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:32,100
God bless you and all your
wonderful wonderful efforts and

973
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:34,800
I hope that we can talk again at
some point in the future.

974
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Sir.
Thank you.

975
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:07,400
When?