Joshua Wilson talks Jesus & Current Events

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Joshua Wilson makes his third
appearance on our program for

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the Joshua is a pastor and also
owns and operates a ranch

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children called Sunshine Acres.
Joshua is also an accomplished

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musician prolific writer in
short.

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Joshua Wilson is a teacher and a
pretty good one at that in our

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discussion.
Today we touch not just on

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Urantia Concepts, which are
always fun but also our current

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state in terms of politics,
social evolution.

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And what is most needed today as
Society goes through a

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metamorphosis of change a lot to
cover and we jump right in with

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my guest.
Joshua Wilson this time up on

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the Rancher Radio podcast.
I was talk to my my oldest

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daughter Rebecca and Tulsa
Oklahoma this morning and she

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was she's a Urantia book reader.
He's just so happy that that the

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knowledge that people have is
going to be able to carry on

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into the next life and they're
going to be able to use their

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skills and it's all it doesn't
all just disappear and go away.

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Well, see that's interesting
because having that nugget of

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information makes everything
else makes sense.

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It's the opposite of that when
you don't think that this life

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has any value to your continued
existence that's why we're in

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the trouble were in.
Yeah, that's kind of sad.

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Because I knew if Putin knew
that he would be held

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accountable or anybody that
matter a common criminal if they

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knew and they were taught from a
young age, you will be held

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accountable for all of your
actions and they do matter that

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would change but we're actually
taught the opposite that nothing

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matters.
Isn't that strange, right?

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And there's no repercussions and
the will to power is All that

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matters and it's a very
realistic way to look at life

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and I'm just so happy, you know,
to be involved with people that

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are engaging life and engaging
spirit.

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And this part of this thing that
to kind of lead into food Fuel

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and finance.
As I have some quotes here where

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Jesus got together with his
friends and discuss politics,

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And I want to this out of the
ranch, a book course, nobody

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knows about it.
So this is why I have to talk

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about and so so the thing is
that like here's a quote from

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paper 128 and it says, it was
difficult for Jesus, friends to

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comprehend the range of his
intellectual activities, how he

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could.
So suddenly and so completely

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swing from the profound
discussion of politics

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philosophy or religion to the
lighthouse.

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Did enjoy us playfulness of
these tots from 5 to 10 years of

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age.
So there goes it says that he

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would get together in private
and then there's another one.

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It says the Zebedee family never
a failed to attend the

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conference has of questions and
answers, which Jesus concluded

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each evening after supper.
The youthful.

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Neighbors also came in
frequently to attend these

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meetings, to these little
Gatherings.

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Jesus gave varied and advanced
instruction just as advanced as

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they could comprehend.
Now, here it comes, he talked

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quite freely with them,
expressing his ideas and ideals

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about politics sociology,
science and philosophy.

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But never presume to speak with
authoritative finality except

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when discussing religion the
relation of And to God.

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So there's two quotes that said
that in these nighttime meetings

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and these small groups and with
his friends, he freely discussed

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politics but even here, the
master of our universe was not

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going to speak authoritatively
on politics and say this is the

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way it is.
And this is how you should vote

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and and all that kind of stuff
because it's always changing.

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But I think it's I just want to
sweep away this Cloud.

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That's over.
The movement where they don't

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know if they should or if they
shouldn't to do or not to do

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whether they should get involved
with politics, but Jesus discuss

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the politics of those days with
his friends and that's part of

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of the world that we live in.
So so if he was willing to do

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it, I'm willing to do it.
In fact I do that in small

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groups but not as part of any
religious Institution.

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I totally get that part because
it says religiousness, as a

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group was never concerned
themselves with anything but

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religion how be it?
Anyone such religion

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religionist, as an individual
citizen, may become the

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outstanding leader of some
social economic or political

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reconstruction movement.
So I just want it's like a cloud

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or something that's over.
I just want to sweep this away

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and and help people get Their
questions are resolved, their

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questions about this.
I do have, I do have to admit

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that I've tried to steer away
from Politics on the show and

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it's probably to a fault,
because you can't ignore what's

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happening.
And I've gotten some negative

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response from people when I do
step into the political.

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But from my perspective, and I
think you've nailed it is that

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as a religious person and as a
person One who has gotten his

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heart.
Everything is spiritual even

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politics because politics is
really about the outcome where

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people get served with dignity.
They have a government that

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treats them with dignity that
there's not too much

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concentrated power, where evil
and Corruption sort of takes

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over and that's where I think we
are now.

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And that's why it's so
concerning because of the fact

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that, you know, what we lose,
what we spoke to earlier, which

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is philosophies, and Allergies
that are being perpetuated in

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order to keep power centers in
charge, you know, right?

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It's censorship and, you know, I
mean, we were talking today

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about Michael and Dell.
Now, you know, Michael and L is

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a very contentious figure, but
he's a Christian and he wears

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his heart on his sleeves and he
does commercials.

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And you can see the Christ lion
portrait behind him.

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I mean, the guy wears this
cross, he's here's a man who is

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speaking out, not because he's
political But because he wants

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the truth and sometimes the
truth gets in the way of

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politics.
And so I admire him but he

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doesn't go on and I'm just using
it as an example.

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But he's a very contentious guy.
So how do you how do you blind

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like you were saying, how is it
feasible that you can be, you

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know, a religious person and
how?

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What effect does that have on
your political Viewpoint?

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And you know, how do we not step
over that line?

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We're merging.
Yeah.

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Michael and Dale, what a thing.
So he was at a Hardee's

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drive-through, yeah, and and
he's right there.

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Waiting for his hamburger or
whatever and he's completely

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surrounded by FBI cars, you
know, and agents and they want

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his phone.
And so, the thing is, while he

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was being surrounded, he was
witnessing to one of the FBI

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agents about his faith.
And how he could turn to God,

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that's the kind of guy that
Michael and Ellis.

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Yeah, I mean, even in the worst
of circumstances, he still

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figures out a way to get a
little bit of Truth in there and

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yeah, witnessing and all that.
It's fantastic.

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But I, I agree.
So this the situation that we're

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in now to me, is much of it is
self-inflicted.

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And I want to kind of go back to
something that never gets

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brought up, but it's kind of
close to me.

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Now, I was born and raised a in.
A mentalist and I believe in

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clean, air and water and
environment, and I don't like

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waste and I think people consume
too much.

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And I remember when I was young
and they first introduced

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cassettes, and you would go and
buy a cassette and they would be

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in these big gaudy plastic
cardboard wraps, you know.

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And even at that age in the 70s,
I was saying boy this is a real

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waste of raw materials because
just because they don't want

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somebody to stuff a cassette in
their pocket and walk out the

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door and then see Uh, these came
along and they did the same

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thing.
So I say that because as an

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environmentalist I believe that
we should.

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It works out to have clean air
water and the environment.

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What I don't subscribe to is the
climate crisis issue.

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And here's why if you're
familiar with malthusian, he was

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a reverend I think his name was
either Jonathan or Robert, but

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anyway, I'm quite familiar.
Yeah, and he believed that man

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would destroy himself.
That was his philosophy.

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Sofia the, we run out of food
and we'd run out of coal and he

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lived in a very dark period in
England.

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When when the Industrial
Revolution was just getting

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started and things were dirty,
you know, you'd have people

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dying of cold, you know,
breathing in Coal, they still

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do.
But anyway, his Viewpoint of

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humanity was that we're not
going to be able to figure this

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out unless we have strict
raccon, Ian rules and so that

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malthusian philosophy has
completely taken over climate

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science.
To the point where we don't

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think that we're going to be
able to figure out how to get

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off, get off of fossil fuels,
which is cheap abundant energy.

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So, you have people who believe
that they've got a force feed

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this new renewable thing, but
it's actually having a hardship

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and it's creating mass poverty
across the world and it's going

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to continue to do this.
Now, out of, what does this have

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to do with your auntie book?
Well, if you believe that man

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has the ability to solve
problems and that's why We're

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here then.
Why don't we let that happen?

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Instead of, instead of having
these people who are usurping

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power and they've replaced
religion with this sort of

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pseudo religious climate science
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And it's scaring a lot of
people, and it's going to kill a

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lot of people because energy
without it people die.

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Yeah, the whole global warming
thing hasn't turned into climate

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change.
It was rebranded, this is

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destroying Europe right now,
Germany.

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They've had not a doubling or
tripling, but a tenfold to 12

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fold increase, and and the price
of energy and they're having to

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shut down factories some of
which, like, say us an aluminum,

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smelting plant with all that
molten aluminum, They shut that

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down.
You can't just turn it back on.

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These are meant to continuously
run they're looking at an

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incredible difficult time.
Coming into this winter.

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It's going to be very serious.
So I've been preaching global

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cooling actually for about 10
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Same with the solar minimum and
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I've been riding on this and are
our hot summers are Getting

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shorter and our Winters are
getting longer especially in the

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about in the northern latitudes.
And I always watch this very

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carefully and usually put out a
newsletter once a year and kind

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of saying, okay, just track with
me here and you can see if this

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is really going so, but, yeah, I
agree with you.

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Jim people are getting
frightened by the situation.

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That's just being preached about
how we have to get off of all

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these fossil fuels, but the
problem is, well, it was It was

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really sad.
It would have almost been

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hilarious, but the same day that
Gavin, Newsom of California

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announced that they were going
to get rid of all cars that ran

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on gas or diesel.
The same day that that

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announcement came out.
He also was like, the day they

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after he, he made an
announcement that you have to

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quit charging your electric
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I mean, how crazy can that be
did?

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I don't charge your electric
vehicles from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.

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or something like this?
See, they don't even have enough

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electricity to charge these
vehicles.

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Yeah.
That which goes to the point

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that the ideology is, is
outpacing technology.

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We don't have yet the technology
to make this seamless

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transition, we will someday once
they figure out the, you know,

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the ranch a book talks, a lot
about this unknown energy

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source.
We'll find it right?

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And when we do and we when we
learn how to harness it, we're

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in it mentions also that were in
that age where I mean people

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don't talk about this a lot but
one of the reasons is slavery

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ended wasn't out of the goodness
of the hearts of the people it

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was but it was it was because of
Machinery.

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Human labor became worthless
when you had machines and we're

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going through that period now
and there's an extensive amount

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of stuff in the ranch a book
that talks about how do we deal

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with this very issue in the here
and now there's a whole chapter

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when it talks about the
different epochs and and the

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evolution of human government
and and and finding jobs for

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people who become unemployed
because they're being replaced

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by technology.
The Rancho book was writing

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about this in the 1930s.
Yeah, that was pretty

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incredible.
We've had, you know, since the

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1920s we've had many beautiful
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Worldwide poverty has Ted
literacy is gone way up.

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Lots of great things have
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Due to the, what, the ranch book
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unacknowledged, spiritual
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teachings of Jesus, of Nazareth.
As we've had all kinds of games,

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but right now, we're coming into
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So I set up the mouth seraphs
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we're on four, acres in the
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the Tonto National Forest which
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And so I teach self-sufficiency
we put in all of our own solar

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panels, it's off-grid, we have
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actually show people how to do
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would just I could just stay
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problem.
But we all know about it now.

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So we'll come.
See you actually invite people

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to come over for training and I
don't charge anything.

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A lot of people have taken me
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over the past several years and
men's Retreats and family

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Retreats.
And so this is something where I

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don't just shoot from the hip
and talk about Concepts on an

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intellectual basis, but at least
in that particular, Our work

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that's been going since the year
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Home is also becoming more and
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That's on 100 acres that's been
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So, you know, we're trying to
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so I'll just let you leave with
whatever the temperature or

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Dimension or level or degree
that you want to talk about

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politics unless you guide the
conversation.

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But To me, it's all about
joining with other people,

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making decisions.
So that the issues of economy

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which are based around few food
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The three apps that we can make
good decisions so that we can

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have a peaceful and happy life.
Well, I also want to I think

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there's a parallel here to what
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on the same subject but I
recently read this book by I

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think I have it here.
It's called the psychology of

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totalitarianism and the reason I
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that the author of that book
which is a gentleman by the name

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of hizmet much Matias, Desmet d
e SM as in Mary ET and it, he

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uses the obviously the covid
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through.
But the premise of the book and

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he sounds like he's a Rancher
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Is there a lot of things that he
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that talks about psych Mass
formation psychosis and cited.

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Yeah, and he really goes into,
you know, why people were so

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complacent during the pandemic
where they were willing to give

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up everything just for safety?
Because they were convinced

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that, you know, by the media by
by the doctors, you know, you

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know we could we could lose
everything anyway.

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So I think He might be your
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everything he talks about in
that book comes down to this,

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you know, do you have faith in a
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And if you have have faith in a
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power has endowed you with free
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totalitarianism is incompatible
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But if you don't believe in a
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believe that you are endowed by
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government is is your, your
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And this is what it comes down
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dichotomy between the Communist
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atheistic.
And the government is the ruling

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power and is the higher power
and controls everything.

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And you subscribe to that
because you don't want to be

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involved, you don't want to
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responsibility and anything and
you just want to be told what to

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do.
And this is why. totalitarianism

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Rises because in places like
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and Italy and Russia people,
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groups that go along to get
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of the population and then you
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represents about 30% of the
population and they they want to

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be told what to do they prefer
safety over freedom and then you

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have that small subset of what's
left of Or who are just natural

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like you and me they question
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There's this they're naturally
suspicious of over control and I

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find that a lot of your Rancho
book readers fall into that

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third category and maybe that's
a nice thing.

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Maybe that's why they're open to
the idea but in any event you

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know I appreciate and it's a
good read if you want to try to

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understand human psychology,
it's a great book.

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And again it's called And I'd be
curious, if anybody knows does

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Matt and his background.
Because it sure looks like he

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tapped into paper 91-95 because
he brings up the idea that we've

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been reduced to atoms.
You know, we talked about this

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before with the James Webb
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Today, we are nothing more than
molecules.

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We have been reduced, we've been
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everything can science can
control everything.

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If they just have enough data,
they'll be able to control

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everything and Isa come to this
but it's it's brought to us a

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sense of anxiety and orphan.
You know that feeling of being

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that my individual life really
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It's really just about the
greater good, you know, so we

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can touch on that but you say
that we had so comment on a

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little bit of that.
Based on what you've seen, what

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is your greatest concern Joshua
right now, regarding

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spirituality and the future?
City of God on this planet.

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Okay, well, I'm looking at this
psychology of totalitarianism

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just came out June 2020 to which
you've read and he talks about

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the world, being in the grip of
a mass formation.

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Dangerous Collective Collective
type of hypnosis, as we bear

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witness to loneliness,
free-floating anxiety, fear,

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giving way to censorship loss of
privacy and so forth and so on.

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Here's my viewpoint, answer your
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Jim, I'm totally not panicking
at all about the spiritual

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movement that's happening on the
earth.

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I think that that's absolutely
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What I am concerned about is
that economies go in cycles and

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we're going into a Bad Moon
arising right now.

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Yeah, we've got inflation is
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That we've got energy crisis,
we've got problems with food,

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we've got problems with Finance
as the the world economic forum

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is trying to bring about a great
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I don't think any of those
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successful in the long run.
But the problem is that your

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answer book says, it's always a
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breakdown.
So that's what I answer.

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Your question.
My biggest concern is the

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transitional breakdown where
People will be suffering because

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as macron of France, just
announced last week to his

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Nation, he said the times of
abundance are over and that's

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pretty heavy for the leader of a
major Western Country to come

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right out and make a statement.
So I'm concerned that people are

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going to be going into difficult
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But as far as the spiritual plan
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opposite.
I think we're in a Revival.

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Because times of great testing
your answer book says of also

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always been times of great
Revelation so the two are

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happening simultaneously.
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especially if you heard the
whole conversation, we were

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having in the last episode where
we had Josh, I'm not kidding,

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six people.
I never, I've never done an

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interview with six people in my
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Yeah, I listen to it was great.
And you hear the hope and you

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hear the, the Them and it didn't
matter if you were in Argentina

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or Mexico or Israel and it just
really, it inspired me.

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And what you're saying, inspires
me and you're absolutely right.

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This, these are the times when
heroes are made, right?

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And it all depends on your own
character and what your, what

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Your motivations are.
And if your motivations are

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pure, this is why, you know, I
don't like to again, get

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political, but there are certain
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And it's like, wow, you know,
Mike Pompeo is a good example,

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you know, here's a guy who's
very devout and he does want to

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change things and he knows, I
mean, this guy's got to know the

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horror and the in the evil
that's going on in the world for

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god sakes.
He's dealing with these people.

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I'm not saying he's perfect, but
he's just an example of somebody

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who's driven Mike Lyndell,
another one, and there are a lot

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of a lot more of these people
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So this, this actually, it may
be That time economically who

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are not going to starve to
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We have the technology I mean I
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think we will.
You don't I'd like to bring up

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this quote on intelligent
patriotism.

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I'm going to let this up right
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I want to talk about that too
because there's now a new term

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that it's been introduced in the
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It's called Christian
nationalism, right?

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And it's in there was an article
that I can't remember.

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Maybe it was Spencer.
A brown or somebody.

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But anyway, it was talking about
the queen and the commonality

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between recognizing the
sacredness of the queen and the

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sacredness of the Christian
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America during the Calvin and
Calvin days were Divine

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Providence, you know, Manifest
Destiny.

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And we Americans tend to look at
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I think as being a Christian
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and we allow for everyone to
sort of believe or not to

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believe and that's it.
Thing, but I wonder if if

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politically the Christian
religion will get more political

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and if that's a good thing or a
bad thing, I don't think it's a

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good thing.
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So the quote that I gave before
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concern in this themselves with
anything, but religion.

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Yeah, I'll beat anyone such
religionist like those men.

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You just mentioned as an
individual citizen may become

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the outstanding leader of some
economic or political

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reconstruction movement.
So this is where I want to kind

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of pull the fog fog of war or
The Cloud of over.

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People's minds to realize what
intelligent patriotism could

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involve which I think has to do
with your your question.

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Yeah.
On paper 81 it says no National

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civilization.
Can you're talking about

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nationalism or maybe Christian
nationalism or maybe

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conservative nationalism but no
such Nation long indoors unless

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it's educational methods and
religious ideals inspire A high

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type of intelligent patriotism,
and National devotion, without

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this sort of intelligent
patriotism and cultural

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solidarity All Nations tend to
disintegrate as a result of

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provincial jealousies and local
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That's out of paper 81 that's
kind of where we're at right now

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though.
Don't you?

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This is really pertinent, you
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coming up and I feel that As I
was in a study group two nights

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ago, where we've known each
other, we've been meeting for

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over 40 years.
That, you know, we're we we feel

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comfortable talking with each
other and we don't all have the

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same view, but we're all trying
to be intelligent.

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And some of us have come around
to trying to be patriotic and

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combining those things.
Because we need that, we

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realized that a Civilization
cannot long endure, says that

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right there in the book.
So we do need this kind of

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effort and insight and I love
all of the purely religious

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activities.
They're happening in our your

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Achi institutions and they
should just go exactly like

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they're doing they should be
nonpartisan.

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However, if we're going to see
the other side of the coin in

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what the Rancher book is telling
us that the Individual needs to

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take responsibility and one of
the reasons, the book says, for

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the decline of the western of
the Roman Empire was that a

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citizen's failed to take an
interest in their local and

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National politics and dissolved.
Well, it's good that you brought

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that up because I would I would
say that again as a roadmap or

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is it template the Urantia book
certainly offers they make the

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point of saying that a
representative government A good

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thing and that we're on the
right track.

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But, you know, unless you're
involved and like you say,

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unless we have good leaders,
that are enlightened and not

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self-serving.
Then yeah, we do risk.

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Your smart patriotism.
You mentioned something about a

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revolutionary act and use the re
and our email exchanges.

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Can we can we delve into that a
little bit about what your

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thoughts were?
Yeah, because the 3F food Fuel

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and finance equals economy.
In other words, our economy is

451
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,700
how things work.
Somebody might barter.

452
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:53,400
They Exchange some silver or
gold, they might exchange some

453
00:29:53,400 --> 00:30:00,000
dollars but the economy is is
only going to operate when you

454
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,800
have food Fuel and finance
functioning and available.

455
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:13,000
Now in the realm of Finance
Finance is, which is Right now,

456
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,800
it's kind of like, Western
central banks pushing around

457
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:23,500
Fiat currencies and doesn't
starts to lose grip, with

458
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,900
reality.
And one of the big problems with

459
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:30,200
Finance, which is Shackled,
people is Usery.

460
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,500
Now, I know, we don't use that
term a lot anymore so I'll just

461
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,700
Define it for you.
User is excessive compound

462
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,700
interest where a person buys a
home and they're lucky.

463
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:44,100
Get a paid off by the time they
die.

464
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:50,500
This is shackling people it's
not right and Jesus in his

465
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,200
discourse with the wealthy
stoic, Roman citizen listed off,

466
00:30:56,700 --> 00:31:01,400
10 types of wealth.
But during that talk, he warned

467
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,600
against the problem with Usery.
It's unfair, it's thoughtless.

468
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:12,300
It's a ripoff, it's unkind.
And in that paper, I do a Oracle

469
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:17,400
search with the Catholic, the
Orthodox, the Jewish and the

470
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,100
Muslim view points where they
all early on were against Usery

471
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:26,400
and he had it written into their
doctrines.

472
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,100
You might say that this was not
good, but one by one.

473
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:34,300
They all fold it.
And I point out this history

474
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:42,900
where they just Acquiesced to
the lower the temptation of

475
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:47,400
making incredible amounts of
money by charging people

476
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
interest.
So the average person looks at

477
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,000
there Their mortgage statement
when it comes in the mail each

478
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200
month, and they see how much of
the payment went towards

479
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,700
interest and how much of a went
towards principal dad's, why I

480
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,400
wrote the paper user is a
revolutionary act.

481
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,000
This is, the revolution is a
revolt against God, and

482
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,200
fairness, and it has to be
rectified.

483
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,800
And Jesus said, you have to
cleanse your Capital.

484
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:21,600
That's a quote, quote, cleanse
your Capital unquote and We have

485
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,700
to decouple.
How is that done?

486
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:29,200
I'm not going to be able to
change the minds of the the

487
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,500
Western central banks but
they're going down right now,

488
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000
they're they're on the verge of
collapse.

489
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:40,700
And so we're going to have to
rebuild, but as we rebuild,

490
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:46,400
there has to be lending is fine.
Small amount of Interest or fees

491
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,900
is fine.
But not this, this Usery, which

492
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,100
is Unfair.
And so I just had to point it

493
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,500
out.
This is not rocket science.

494
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:00,000
There's reasons why.
We are suffering, a lot of

495
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,500
people are suffering, the way
that they are.

496
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,300
Just think if people didn't have
to pay all that kind of

497
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:08,600
Interest, how much more in the
way of funds that they would

498
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,800
have available for their
families for their laudable,

499
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,800
life projects for Urantia,
projects for evangelism or

500
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,900
whatever they're calling is.
So it's not right?

501
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,500
It needs to be called out and
that's why I wrote that paper.

502
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,100
So I'm a homeowner and I signed
the documents and I agreed to

503
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,700
the I'm not sure if I knew
whether they were fair or not,

504
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:36,000
but it allowed me to get into my
home, right?

505
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,700
So, you know, you could say,
well, look, I'm the one that

506
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,700
signed so nobody twisted my arm
but you're saying that the the

507
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:50,000
the entire premise of the Usery
is unfair because it it it never

508
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,900
goes away.
It seems right.

509
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:56,800
So but what yeah what is this
expound on a little bit more for

510
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,800
me and for people who might
share the same life Variances is

511
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,500
I do?
You know, back in the old days

512
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,000
when you could buy a house for
twenty or thirty thousand

513
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,699
dollars and I actually know
somebody now who has a loan from

514
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,800
an individual number in my
family and she's just paying

515
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,699
simple interest.
Well, that means if the interest

516
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:25,100
is 5% and you get a loan for a
hundred thousand dollars, that

517
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:27,699
just means you're going to pay
five thousand dollars in simple

518
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,900
interest, that's the way you
used to be.

519
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:35,699
But now all these four Search or
large religious groupings.

520
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:43,000
I mention have caved into
accepting Usery as compound

521
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,400
interest and when you sign that
document it wasn't like you had

522
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,600
a lot of choice, right?
Nobody else offering anything.

523
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:56,699
The only choice was going to be
3% or 4% or 5%, you know, that's

524
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,200
not much of a choice because
once you put that into a

525
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,100
compound interest table, that
means you're going to be plenty,

526
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,400
paying double.
You know, by the time you end up

527
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,500
well actually it's even worse
than that for a hundred thousand

528
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,100
dollar home.
Over 30 years you'll end up

529
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,200
paying three hundred thousand in
it because of the interest, you

530
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,300
know.
Yeah, and that's just a ver

531
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:19,500
bare-bones and I can see you
know, but it's I think what

532
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,200
you're trying to say is that
there are a lot of things like

533
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,200
that that we have adopted into
our modern capitalist

534
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,000
free-market society and you know
but even the Urantia book, makes

535
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,100
it very clear that the profit
motive.

536
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Eventually is destructive.
He has to be profit-making is

537
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,500
fine.
According to what Jesus told

538
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:48,800
that stoic everybody's of
deserves to make some profit

539
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:54,900
from from their labors and their
invention but it has to be

540
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,400
within reason.
It's not to take advantage of

541
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,200
the other person and it has to
be more and more supplanted.

542
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,900
By the service motives are we
actually serving people and

543
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:10,000
helping people?
While we're making a little

544
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,200
profit along the way?
I get it, right?

545
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,500
Right.
Do you see that happening?

546
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,000
Where we become more
service-oriented in the decades

547
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,300
to come?
I mean, is this where some of

548
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,900
this equality and Equity is
derived from that energy is

549
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:29,700
because, you know, these people
feel that a more fair system and

550
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,100
what do they get right about
that?

551
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:32,700
And what do they get wrong about
that?

552
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:38,100
Well, the part that gets wrong
that is being gotten wrong, is

553
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,700
is the idea that equality of
outcomes is is a good thing to

554
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:46,100
strive for.
I feel it, that's very negative

555
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,800
and destructive.
I don't think that we can.

556
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,300
I don't think we have any
promise or Reason to bring a

557
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,600
quality of outcomes because
people have all different kinds

558
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,800
of levels of ability and
interest and involvement in the

559
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
market.
I saw others have very little or

560
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,600
less and each should be able to
live their life as they want.

561
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,600
But the service mode of means
that in our work, while we're

562
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,100
making a little bit of profit
and this is growing, and I've

563
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,800
been involved in nonprofit
sector for a long time,

564
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:27,300
supporting causes like that.
That means that what we want to

565
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,500
do is we want to serve one
another, and we want to help one

566
00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:35,100
another it, all kinds of ways.
As you know, for me it was

567
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,900
working at an orphanage for 20
years for somebody else.

568
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:47,300
It's something different, so
whatever it is. the service mode

569
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:57,100
of will eventually bring us into
a future time where money almost

570
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,900
become starts to become
Irrelevant.

571
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,600
This is some time into the
future.

572
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,700
It's almost like a Star Trek
future.

573
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,500
Yeah.
But you know, that is where it's

574
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:10,700
going right now.
We need to bring more fairness,

575
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:16,300
not equality of outcomes, but
equality's of opportunity that

576
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:21,400
support everyone in their lot of
a life projects and the ability

577
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,800
to work at a job.
And make a living and put a

578
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,300
family together.
A lot of people, a lot of young

579
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:31,000
people now are so saddled with
college debt that they can't

580
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,100
even buy a home.
And if they can't buy a home,

581
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,100
then they're reluctant to get
married.

582
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
And if they don't get married,
they don't have children and

583
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,700
then they don't have families
and it's very destructive.

584
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,000
So it does make a difference.
Yeah.

585
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,600
So let's talk about family for a
moment Joshua.

586
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,600
I see a d infa sizing of the
family, which is according to

587
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,900
the two, most favorite parts of
your Ranch, a book in the third

588
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,700
section on marriage.
That's where so much of

589
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,400
characters, established morality
ethics, altruism it all starts

590
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,600
in the home and it starts with
siblings learning that they're

591
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,900
not the center of the universe.
It's learning to be loyal.

592
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:18,900
That's where we learned to be
loyal.

593
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,200
It's learned where we learned.
So many I'm so grateful that

594
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,200
when I think about that I had a
I had a pretty decent growing

595
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,200
up.
I mean it wasn't perfect but I'm

596
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,200
glad that those first six seven
years were how they were because

597
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,100
it is literally true you do.
Because, you know, I was raised

598
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:43,100
in a family of four for kids,
three kids, one from a different

599
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,900
father and we did learn self
sacrifice.

600
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,500
We weren't Rich, we were
somewhat on the lower Spectrum

601
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:55,700
so you know, you value things
and you know so but if you don't

602
00:39:55,700 --> 00:40:01,100
have that if that's not how you
start out and it seems like the

603
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:07,300
in phasis on family now is
nothing that it's almost - the

604
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:13,000
way that Society portrays, it's
like the nuclear family is a bad

605
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,200
word.
Your thoughts on that?

606
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,300
It's like a three-legged stool.
Your actual book says the three

607
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,700
pillars of society.
R.

608
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:33,800
Family Church and School. for
you Ranch book, readers church

609
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,800
for us means what we're doing
right here, getting together

610
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,900
with people having study groups
having conferences, having

611
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,700
Institutes and then we have
school.

612
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Our children must be educated
young children, high schoolers

613
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,300
college, students.
We have to have a high degree of

614
00:40:55,300 --> 00:41:01,200
Education in order to Balance
Kuwait, and create equilibrium

615
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,600
and society, and we need the
home.

616
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,500
And so, without these three, if
you pull, any one of those legs

617
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,800
out, from underneath the
three-legged stool, You're not

618
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,700
going to be able to have a place
to sit.

619
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,100
There's an assault on the
family, there's an assault on

620
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:28,800
man and it's very serious and
combined with the financial

621
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,900
difficulties that I described
where family formation is

622
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:38,900
becoming more difficult.
The result is that the family as

623
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,500
you describe that you grew up in
and, which is similar, to what I

624
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:47,000
grew up in a family of four
children and back in those days,

625
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,300
it was kind of the Leave it to
Beaver.

626
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,200
Yeah.
Sorry for the Existence and it

627
00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:56,000
was a great way to grow up.
I want this for my own children

628
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:02,200
and for the 770 children that I
helped raise it, the children's

629
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,900
home.
This is our goal, teach the

630
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,100
children.
Get them involved in sports,

631
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:11,000
teach them how to pray, get them
involved in some kind of church

632
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,100
activities, whatever that might
be, and create a home

633
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:20,200
environment where people have
regular meals together where

634
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:27,600
they read and study together.
Do things together and build up

635
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,200
a rich, wonderful, family life
without that.

636
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,800
Well, we're not going to have
much of a civilization.

637
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,700
So, those are the three pillars
home school and church.

638
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Their goal stated very well
stated look, these are like,

639
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:56,800
basic principle Concepts when I
hear, you know, my kids, I don't

640
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,800
want to have kids or when I hear
other people talking about.

641
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Well, not everybody is intended
to have kids, you know?

642
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,900
And or they come out with news
reports though it cost you three

643
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:07,800
hundred thousand dollars to
raise.

644
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Raise a kid.
That's right. - like what why

645
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,300
are you putting a monetary cost
on something and so people today

646
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,700
think I, you know, kids aren't
important but The dynamic of

647
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:23,700
parenting is just as valuable to
the parent as the dynamic of

648
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,300
being a child is valuable,
right?

649
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,800
Because again, you're learning
sacrifice service.

650
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Oh, I don't want to go to
another softball game but you

651
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,500
go, oh, I don't want to go see
music night at the school.

652
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,100
Oh, but you go right and it
makes, you know, so it's such a,

653
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,400
I mean, I hate to like, even
talk about it because it's so

654
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,900
basic, but it seems like it's
It's being forgotten and that's

655
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:53,200
why I wanted to talk about it.
So under assault Thunder

656
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
assault.
And it's not as if you know the

657
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,000
other thing that someone brought
this to me as well and I will

658
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
share this with you and maybe we
shouldn't talk about it.

659
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,200
But you know, there's this
movement towards transgenderism

660
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:11,400
which to me it seems as if what
we've done is we've adopted an

661
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,700
emotional disorder and made it
trendy.

662
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:21,800
You know, the idea that you're
born into the wrong body, is for

663
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,600
someone to feel that way is, is
all the signs of somebody who is

664
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,000
not comfortable with who they
are.

665
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,400
And that's, that's the issue.
Why isn't this person cuffed

666
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,600
comfortable with, who they are?
What happened to this person?

667
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,900
Where they feel like they have
to somehow escape from

668
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,700
themselves?
You know, the Urantia book says

669
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,300
and I'm sure the Bible and other
books.

670
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:45,600
Say two things you can't run
from yourself.

671
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:48,700
Often God, it's like
transgenderism.

672
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:51,400
Seems to be running from
yourself.

673
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,500
You know, you're running from
whoever it is that you are

674
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,200
underneath because we're not
flesh.

675
00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:00,600
I mean, you know, our outer
shells are not representative of

676
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,100
our true potential.
But anyway, any thoughts on

677
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:10,200
that?
The I'm for I promote, everybody

678
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:15,500
having a personal relationship
with God and that means yeah not

679
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:18,600
running from oneself or running
from God.

680
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,500
That is the answer to the
identity crisis this happening

681
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:30,100
in the world.
My only caveat Jim is that

682
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:37,200
Children.
Should not be guided into.

683
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Anything especially not poverty
blockers or surgery.

684
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,200
They can't make that decision
about what their identity is as

685
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,600
children.
We have an obligation as adults

686
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,000
as a society, as parents as
friends to protect children

687
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:04,300
until they can get to the age
where they can make their own

688
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,900
decisions.
So that's pretty much my thigh.

689
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,600
People are free to pursue
whatever kind of Life Direction,

690
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,000
seems right to them.
And I plead with everybody of

691
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,500
all different straight As of
society to seek and find a

692
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:28,500
personal relationship with God.
If these are children, my strong

693
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,800
opinion is they must be nurtured
and Grow Up Normally and

694
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,500
naturally not be guided into
anything that will cause them to

695
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:44,500
regret changes with the natural
unfolding of their sexuality,

696
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:47,600
whatever that might be.
We'll wait and see how that

697
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,200
turns out.
But let's not take 3 and 5 and

698
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,800
10 year olds and be telling them
that there's something other

699
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,800
Then their birth sex, let's let
that play out and then they can

700
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,900
make that decision for
themselves later.

701
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:07,100
And by the way, for people
listening, this is coming from a

702
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:10,400
guy who has he mentioned a
rather humbly?

703
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,800
He's raised 700 children.
Okay?

704
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,900
Okay.
That's right.

705
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,000
I think he might have a thing or
two to offer on this subject,

706
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,900
okay?
Final question.

707
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,300
And let me tell you something.
We're going to end this segment

708
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,100
Josh, with your music.
Because you're a damn good

709
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,300
musician and I listened to what
you told me to listen to were

710
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:35,900
you sad that Ramsey Lewis past.
Oh, that was a shock of course

711
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,000
for all of us wasn't it?
He's a great.

712
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I love him.
The In Crowd is one of my

713
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,300
favorite songs grammy-winning
grammy-winning to.

714
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:46,700
They didn't mention that.
But yeah, what a what a great

715
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,900
you love music?
Are you going to be a Celestial

716
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:51,800
Artisan?
Are you going to volunteer for

717
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,000
that service when the time
comes?

718
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,600
I really look forward to
spending time with beings like

719
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:04,500
that and Celestial Artisans.
Sometimes I feel like From time

720
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:08,500
to time, they have come down and
touched upon the Earth and I've

721
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:13,100
gotten some inspiration.
I think other musicians have

722
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,900
said similar things.
Yeah, I look forward to that and

723
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:19,200
also the conductors of worship,
you know, to me, that's our

724
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,700
highest.
And, and first calling, and I

725
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:28,500
just love being involved in
worship, many times, leading

726
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,700
worship at conferences.
And so, so on and so forth.

727
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,800
It's a Wonderful, Wonderful Life
having that musical component in

728
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,700
there.
I'm not a very good musician but

729
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,700
I sense the wonderful feeling of
unity when you're playing with

730
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:50,800
other people and there's that
synchronicity that happens and

731
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,700
it comes out of nowhere and it's
a beautiful thing.

732
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:57,400
It really is, it's just sort of
touching is Immanuel.

733
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,500
Kant would say it's touching
Divine Divinity.

734
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,900
Just a little bit and it's a
pretty cool.

735
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,800
So let's end it on that note.
I'll play some music that you

736
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,500
shared with me and I like this
people are very responsive to

737
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:12,200
you.
And it's easy to see why.

738
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
So I thank you for joining me
again.

739
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,600
This time, I think our fourth
appearance now here on the ranch

740
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,700
Radio podcast.
So any final thoughts, anything

741
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:25,900
that you want to promote that
you're involved with the paper

742
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,600
that you mentioned user.
He is a revolutionary act.

743
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,500
And also my book inner Mansions,
which talks about ascending the

744
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,700
psychic circles.
These are all available for free

745
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,800
and many many.
There's by writing me at musical

746
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:52,300
at Cox dotnet mus acal at c0x,
dotnet always answer every

747
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:56,600
communication that I received.
As I did the last time we were

748
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,600
on, I really love it.
Hearing from people and I'll

749
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,500
always respond promptly as
promised.

750
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,500
I leave you now with a piece
from Joshua and his Dave Brubeck

751
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,000
tribute performance also
featuring fellow Ban performers,

752
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,800
Adam Clark on, dramas, Ruthie
Wild on vocals and cello

753
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:19,700
Christina Seaborn violin, Jacob
Silverman on base and brother,

754
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,700
Joshua on piano closing out this
edition of the Rancher Radio

755
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:24,600
podcast.