JOEL GARBON - WHAT IT'S LIKE TO TALK URANTIA TO A NATIONAL AUDIENCE

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All right, well, we have Joel
Garvin on the program.

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Joel's been on the show, I think
this four or five times.

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We talked about UFOs and its
relationship to the Urantia book

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and all things about that.
And Joel, if you're familiar, is

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a is an engineer by trade and
lives on the West Coast.

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And he was recently on a
national program called Coast to

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Coast.
Now, being in radio for as long

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as I've been, Coast to Coast is
the number one radio program on

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the air across America.
It's on like 1000 radio

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stations.
It's on shortwave.

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It's used to be hosted by a guy
by the name of Hard Bell who

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sort of set things in motion.
So on that show, they talk a lot

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about the supernatural.
They talk about ghosts, they

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talk about the paranormal.
And this week, they talked to

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Joel Garban, your Rancher Book
reader, about the Center for

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Unity and what's going on.
And Joel, step in here.

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What was it like to be on
knowing you're being being heard

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by 8 million people?
Well, hey, Jim, Great, great,

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great to be back on.
With you, yeah.

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Yeah, I, yeah, it was, it was a
wonderful opportunity to be back

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on the Coast to Coast AM
program.

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You know, I, I had been on that
show twice before, but it was on

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the topic of breakthrough energy
technologies, which was

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something that I was heavily
involved in.

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And the last time I was on that
program was about 8 years ago.

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So, you know, when I, when I got
involved with the Center for

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Unity about a year ago or so,
one of the things that I had

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committed to the group was, was
this idea that I think I can get

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on the Coast to Coast radio show
and, and, you know, basically

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try to get more exposure for the
Center for Unity projects.

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And I was getting a little bit
worried that that, that, that,

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that it may not happen.
And so I was getting a little

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despondent about that.
But then all of a sudden I got a

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call from the producers of the
program and they said, Hey, you

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want to come on coast?
And I said, yeah.

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And I, and here's what I want to
talk about.

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And I, I proposed the topic of
ETS and religion and, and they

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accepted that.
And of course that allowed me to

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to dovetail in the topic of the
Urantia book.

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And then of course the Center
for Unity projects as auxiliary

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to that.
So we had we had a really great

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2 hour interview between the
host, George Nori and myself.

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It included call in audience
members.

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There were several folks who who
called in with questions and

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that was, that was a lot of fun.
And I'll tell you the, the

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Purdue or the, the host of the
program, George Nori, he, he

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just continuously asked
questions about the Urantia book

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through that full 2 hour
interview.

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It really was remarkable.
So we had a chance to to do a

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real deep dive on a number of
the topics that, you know,

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anyone who reads the book would
be familiar with.

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And it just totally blew away my
expectations for how much we

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would be able to go into depth
about it.

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And I got to make a good strong
plug for the Center for Unity

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and the Discover Jesus project
and the Jesus Chatbot project.

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And apparently the Rick Lyon at
the Center for Unity, he had

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been closely monitoring the
metrics as far as the website

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traffic for CFU.
And then, you know, Discover

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Jesus website and they, they
took a real bump, a real bump up

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in the traffic, which is exactly
what we were hoping to get.

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And so I, I do feel really good
about that, just really happy.

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I kind of feel a bit a bit
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You know.
That, you know, I kind of put,

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put this commitment out there
and that now it's been fulfilled

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and I'm just so grateful that,
that it's worked out.

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And there were some really cool
things that happened that I have

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to, to definitely credit, you
know, the, the spiritual forces

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that are working with us on
this.

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I mean, I'll, I'll just use the
word Holy Spirit because that's

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the way I, I just tend to speak
about, you know, the, the spirit

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sponsor.
So whatever whatever the the

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subfolder was or the sub person,
it's it originally would be

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either through the Divine Mother
or through Michael himself.

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So yeah, we're all bases are
covered, right, You know?

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Yeah, exactly.
So, so some of some of the cool,

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some of the cool things that
really happened was, you know,

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Rick Lyon from CFU, you know, as
I was kind of lamenting that

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this, this, this opportunity to
be on a program came much later

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than what I'd earlier, earlier
hoped.

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And he said, he said, no, Joel,
actually the timing is really

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good because now the bandwidth
of the website had been

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increased to be able to handle
much more traffic.

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And as you know, Jim, when, when
you are on a major program and

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all of a sudden a bunch of
people suddenly check out a

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website, they can crash the
website if you get too traffic

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at once.
But now the bandwidth had been

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increased for the CFU website
and and the other project

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websites.
So they were able to handle that

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increase traffic easily.
The other thing was that the

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amount of content that's now on
the the Discover Jesus website

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is way, way more than it was
just even a few months ago.

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So there's a lot more things
for, for people to see on that

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one.
And now also there been about

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50,000 questions submitted to
the Ask Jesus chatbot.

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So to be able to even say that
on the, the interview gives it a

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lot of credibility.
So, so from Rick's standpoint,

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the timing was much, much better
now.

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So, so that, that was great.
Then the other thing that was

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just an amazing, call it a
coincidence if you will, but I,

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I, I think it's more than a
coincidence.

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The, the guest on the, the coast
program right before me and the

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way they, they do it, they have
two different segments.

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They have, they have a first
half guest and then the

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second-half guest.
I was the second-half guest and

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and so that was a 2 hour time
slot from midnight till 2:00 AM.

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The 1st guest in the the 10:00
PM to midnight was a very, very

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well known UFO researcher named
Richard Dolan.

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And Dolan has a very strong
following and the coast to coast

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listening audience really,
really likes him.

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They really respect him.
And so having Richard Dolan on

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that first segment definitely
increased the listenership for

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that particular night.
And so, so that of course, would

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carry over into my own segment
because he, he's, he's, you

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know, really, I mean, he's, he's
a celebrity basically and

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definitely contributed.
And, and Richard and I also know

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each other and are, are
definitely, you know, on a

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friendly basis.
And right at the end of his

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interview, he made a very
generous and, and nice

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compliment to me and my work.
And that was just a beautiful

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Segway and a real boost, you
know, going into, you know, my

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segment of the show.
So it could not have been more

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beautifully orchestrated.
And I, you know what?

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And I really appreciate that,
you know, the folks on the

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program, including the
producers, the webmasters, and

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the host himself, George Nori,
the opportunity they gave us.

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But I am absolutely sure that,
you know, the, the, the Holy

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Spirit was, you know, very much
in tune with what was going on

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and was helping to orchestrate
things so that we got maximum

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leverage out of the opportunity.
So I I just really feel on a

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high right now.
Good job, Yeah.

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About this and I'm really
grateful that that you were

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having me on the program right
now to talk to, you know, your

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audience and, and just let him
know, hey, this was a really

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cool thing that happened and
gave increased exposure to

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something that we all believe is
quite important.

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Well, I am glad that you let me
know because being the fan I am

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of you and your work and your
research, and you know, I'm a

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big advocate that we need to be
talking about this book in a

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more open fashion.
Because it just happened that I

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was reading today that some of
the feedback from the Kansas

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City study session that went on
just a couple weeks ago in July

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in Kansas City.
And there were a lot of notable

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Urantia book readers there, some
generational and someone had

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asked, you know, how are the 1st
70 years of the revelation

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going?
And surprisingly, or maybe not

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surprisingly, a lot of people
said, you know, we could have

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done a better job.
We have.

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We've sort of dragged our feet a
little bit in some ways of

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publicly talking about the book
and in creating awareness.

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I think somebody made the point
it might have been Mark Wood or

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maybe it was maybe even been
most Eagle.

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But someone had made the comment
that, you know, it was shrouded

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during the early years pre
publication, the whole group of

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400 or so people that were part
of the, the, the, you know, the

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people that reviewed the book,
you know, there was such an air

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of secrecy.
There was an air of secrecy

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around it.
You had to sign an oath.

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And so it was kind of hard to to
go from total secrecy about the

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Urantia book to now it's
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Now it's time to herald the new
revelation.

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And I think we're now kind of
getting some momentum with the

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CFU and what the great work that
they're doing and all of the

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people out there, the quality of
the work now that people are

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writing about, it's just it's
starting to to take a it's

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starting to solidify, You know,
in many ways.

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You going on Nori is a big deal
because, you know, obviously the

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midwayers and the Seraphs of, of
destiny, they work with, with,

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with us and, and, you know, if
they're coordinating things

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behind the scenes.
So let's just say that the

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people who needed to hear
probably heard it and we may

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have touched some people.
There's a lot of lonely people

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out there, man, you and I both
know, I think they're hungry.

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They're hungry for something
that will give them some meaning

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in their life.
And I think a lot of people

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through the Urantia book will
rediscover the teachings of

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Jesus.
And it's almost like I get the

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sense that people want the Jesus
without the luggage.

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You know, they want the, you
know, they want the Jesus

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without the church.
That's what it seems like to me

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because the church now has
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culture as they talk about.
And what is it, paper one O 9 or

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one O 7, the social problems of
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But it is true, we could do
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And I think if they're
celebrities that read the

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Urantia book, they should talk
about it.

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You know, if you're why not?
Why not?

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I mean, you hear Madonna talking
about being part of whatever

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she's a part of and all these
other weird, You know, we might

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as well join the fray and
introduce the word urantia to

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the lexicon.
And and that could be a healthy

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first step and, and, and take
whatever we get.

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But the days of moving about in
secret, I don't think that's

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what the Melchizedek
missionaries did, or the Sethite

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priests, or or even the the
apostles of Jesus.

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They didn't go around whispering
the Gospel.

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You know right You.
Want to hear something really

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cool?
Yeah, you're, you're you're

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exactly right.
I mean, they were called

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evangelists, right?
You know Jesus was training

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evangelists, not not, you know,
ascetics.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you know, but here's the

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thing.
And then this is the most

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amazing thing.
And and it's one of the reasons

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we've had Yuan.
I think that the reason that we

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have not had contact with ET
life is because they look at us

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and they know that we are really
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And the thing about the Urantia
book is it declares that Jesus

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is not only the creator Son of
man, son of God, of our world,

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but he's the son of man and son
of God for all the world's.

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That's a big expansion on a
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And and most people would be
like, what you mean?

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If I go to planet Pleiades,
they're going to know about

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Jesus, say they'll know about
Michael, they'll know about us.

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If they're an advanced society,
they're probably going to know

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about us.
You know, we, we know that we've

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been severed because of the
quarantine.

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So we don't get that extra space
broadcast that we would normally

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be entitled to.
And we're thousands of years

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away from that, but we got to
get going.

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I mean, we're So what did they
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We're a, we're a full epic
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and intellectual growth.
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going to prepare us for the
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that point where we discover
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there's abundant life.
What?

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What?
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So we have right now in our

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midst intense interest in
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congressional level in the
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whole topic of UFOs, ET
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I mean, this is a very important
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You know what, what does the

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have to say about why there even
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planet?
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them actually I think.
I think they named three

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different reasons.
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life modification sphere, you
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where there are new forms of
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don't exist anywhere else.
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there is interest in our planet
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cultures.
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Jesus chose this for his 7th
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He chose our beleaguered little,
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world to be the one where he
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himself to the human order of
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And, you know, that translates
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know, nearly 4 million planets
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of Nebadon.
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know, he chose to go to that
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You know, let's go check that
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headquarters here on our planet,
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unusual.
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interest.
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they use the term student
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human beings from other planets
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and the ability to travel, you
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basically doing, you know,
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other, other forms of, of study
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a long time, and for good
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to understand more about our
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the native inhabitants of our
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bit more about our planet and
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destiny, the time seems to be
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So I, I think we're in a very,
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I think it's really exciting.

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I think it's exciting too.
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because we see society seemingly
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fabric of society, everything's
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But the Urantia book very
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out of the safe harbors and now
we're on the rough seas and, and

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much is going to be decided.
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now in this generation and in
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So these aren't exciting times,
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come now from trying to expose
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the Urantia book that will widen
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so helpless as if there's no
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Because that's the sad part.
There are a lot of people, a lot

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of young people today that's
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believe in anymore.
And yes, and that's where we can

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come in and make a big
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religion.
You know, people don't always

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try to, you know, they, they
take preconceived notions and

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they apply them to you and they
say, oh, you're just another

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religion.
No, there's, there's no church,

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you know, there's no priest.
It's just the book and what you

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get from it and how it can
change your perspective on your

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life and the life of people
around you and it it will make

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you a better person.
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person once you realize what the
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really all about.
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Yeah, that is such a key point,
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do, you know, remind your
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these are teachings.
This is information.

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These are not, this is not a
church.

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This is not a cult.
This is this is not dogma or

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anything doctrinal, anything
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This, this is information and
wisdom teachings in a book that

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are meant to uplift all of
humanity, no matter your

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background, whether it's your,
your this culture or of this

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profession or or of this
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It's meant to uplift everybody.
And, and I'm glad that you you

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do regularly remind your
listeners of that.

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I tried to do that, you know, on
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appearance as well to.
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there, I think a lot of it is,
is Christian leaning, which, you

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know, that's great, but also a
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that, hey, this is for

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everybody.
This is for everybody.

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look at it, especially the the

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teachings of Jesus, which can be
applied to to everybody's life

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and can uplift them and help
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relationship with the creator
and, and everyone could benefit

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from that indefinitely.
The emphasis was put on how

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challenged our youth are at this
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pressures that are on them.
And many of those cultural

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pressures are inverted and some
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And it is it is putting a world
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And so I started out the program
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the the unprecedented rates of
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feelings of hopelessness and
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the lives of young people.
And that we want to address what

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you know, I've called the God
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these young people are
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We want to help correct that.
And the Urantia book provides

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what what we all recognize as
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this.
If they come to become familiar

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with the life and teachings of
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Urantia book on awful lot of
these young people are going to

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feel a revert, a resurgence of
hope and and they're going to

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have a renewal of purpose and
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And it's it's time we're ready.
In fact, this is the time we

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can't wait around anymore for
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And Jim, I got to tell you
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weekend, I guess, as I was kind
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interview, just the thought came
to me of, you know, I'm going to

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go get have some little business
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that have the websites of the
discoverjesus.com and then the

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website for ask Jesus chat bot.
And just going to have those

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those just shown prominently on
a little business card and over

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the top of it was just going to
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inspiring youth and young
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And so I just went out and just
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at the local OfficeMax, got a
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And then yesterday, on the heels
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Coast interview the night
before, I went out to a place to

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get breakfast and there were
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adults there.
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which is a little brief, you
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request.
And it, and it simply went like

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this.
I said, I said hi.

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You know, I'm working with some
people who are, who are very

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concerned about why young people
are feeling so turned off by the

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life and teachings of Jesus as
it's currently being presented

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to them.
We would like your feedback on a

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couple of projects that we're
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Here are the websites.
Would you please just take two

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minutes to check them out at
your convenience and give us

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feedback?
Thank you.

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And and just did that to a
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young people and they're like,
yeah, sure.

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And that's it.
It was, it was like a maybe a

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one minute interaction.
So wasn't obtrusive, wasn't

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preachy, nothing, and just gave
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in a way and and we can do
things as simple as that.

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That can can be an intriguing
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request.
And then just let it go where

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it's gonna go.
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are already have their, their
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right there next to them with
within that 2 minutes, they

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already can check it out and,
and be like, oh, wow, either

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either like, huh, wow, that's
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And they might instantly start
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network.
That's the way.

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To do it.
Or maybe they're like, well, I'm

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not really interested in looking
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definitely will go like, wow,
I'm going to look, look at this

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more deeply and they're going to
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There's lots of ways we could do
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There's no, there's never been a
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people.
I don't know if I've ever said

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this before, but it's a great
quote that a guy mentioned.

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If for people who are familiar
with Jordan Peterson, he says in

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your lifetime, you'll meet 1000
people and every one of the

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people that you meet, they'll
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which puts you one person away
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people.
Wow, that's cool.

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simple little things that what

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you just did or yeah, that's
that's the kind of, you know,

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just nudging people, letting
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mentioning it, getting them
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Sometimes I'll do if there's
something in the news like, you

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know this story where it talks
about the part and the whole and

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it talks about the ramifications
of, of sin and how everybody

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shares in the victories of like
in a family, you share the

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victories that you're the
members of the families, but you

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also share in the defeats.
Yes.

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And that's an important lesson
to learn because when we're all

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shocked by shootings and and the
things that we see, we're all

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affected by it because we're all
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And none of that's going to go
away until we work cooperatively

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as one family to restore the
moral equilibrium that is out of

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whack.
And we do that through our

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personal relationships and just
getting the truth out there, the

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truth, the light of truth out
there can have such a

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transforming effect.
And you know that, I know that.

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We all know that.
So.

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But Joel, you know, it's really
great to catch up with you.

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And I'm so glad.
And I know anybody who heard

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Joel Garvin on.
And, you know, they play those

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as repeats often on the weekend
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So you're bound to get, if you
got a lot of caller reaction,

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they'll know and they'll play
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So good.
Good job on that one, you know.

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Yeah.
Hey, Jim, if I could let so.

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So let me inform folks how they
can definitely listen to that

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program on Coast to Coast, you
know, and, and can do it

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directly and quickly If you go,
if you go to

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thecoasttocoastam.com website
and then they have what they

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call their Coast Insider.
That's the name of their

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subscribers.
And I, I think it's just $5 for

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a monthly subscription that
allows you to listen to all of

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their archive programs, not
just, it's not like 5 bucks for

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one program, it's 5 bucks for
all of their archive programs.

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And so all you would need to do
is, is to, is to subscribe there

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for a A1 month of, of 5 bucks
and then go to the September 3

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episode with, you know, with,
you know, my name, Joel Garban

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on there.
And, and you'll be able to

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listen to it with no commercial
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And of course, there's all kinds
that and I would encourage you

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to listen to the, the Richard
Dolan episode that was just

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prior to mine as well, because
you'll see how it dovetailed in

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so beautifully, almost like, you
know, it was seemed to be

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orchestrated and there's all
kinds of other things you could

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listen to.
So anyway that that's something

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that people may choose to to do
if they want to listen to that 2

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hour interview.
OK, sounds good.

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And you can also just Google
coast to coast with George Nori

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and it's NOORE Nori.
All right, Joel, good to catch

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up with you and I'm really happy
that you were able to do that

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and we could share with our your
Rancho book family.

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So thanks again for coming on
the show.

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I appreciate it and God bless
you and your family and we'll

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talk to you soon.
Sounds good.

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Thank you, Jim.