Interview with Joel Garbon on Materialism and the Modern Dilemma

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But let me introduce you to the
audience.

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Joel Garvin has been on the show
before the fact.

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If you check back the few
podcast ago, Joel, Joel have

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done a tremendously, impactful
presentation for a group at a

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UFO Knology convention, but I
was so impressed.

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I felt compelled to have Joel on
because it's an opportunity to

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share new ideas and that's what
this podcast is all about.

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So as honest, I thought it would
be great to have Joel come back

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because we got into some really
good stuff.

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Joel and I are going to talk
about materialism and where we

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are in the current age because
there's everybody I talk to says

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something's weird.
Something's going on weird in

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the world, and you just can't
pretend that things are just

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hunky-dory.
I had an inner.

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I had an email from a guy today.
Joel, it said to me that they

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didn't think that the Rancho
book could ever make an impact

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on people because it's just too
late.

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People have already made up
their minds about where they

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stand on religion and religion
is more like a folklore today

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than it is anything else.
Do you agree with that?

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No Jim.
I don't you know because that

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perspective could have been
taken at the time that Jesus

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incarnated on this planet.
Yeah that everything already had

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been established and was
intransigent.

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So there wasn't going to be any
more openness to a new way of

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viewing Humanity viewing, the
Divine viewing the destiny of

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individuals.
So I don't think that we're in a

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static situation.
Any more now than we were two

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thousand years ago?
I think that the Urantia book

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has profound insights that it
can offer people today.

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It just needs to be examined,
and I think when people do

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examine it, they will find that.
Whoa, there are, there are a lot

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of valuable tools and insights
in this revelation.

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That can be brought to bear
today on very important topics

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including the one that you and I
are going to discuss today.

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Now you mentioned that we'll be
talking about materialism, but I

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want to expand it beyond that
and really talk about

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materialism War and the
Brotherhood of Man, we have a

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very timely conflict, right in
our faces here, with what's

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going on over.
And Ukraine, and I think it's

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the elephant in the room and I
think our topic today can help

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us to address some of that even
directly.

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And so, so that's some of the
things that that will be

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discussing.
Are you concerned that this

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might be some, how deep do you
go in terms of thinking?

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This might be a profound age.
Some people argue, oh, you know,

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earth goes through all kinds of
different things.

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We can't get bogged down right
other People say no this is the

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Tribulation a lot of people on
the Christian side or worried to

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death.
The only people that don't seem

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to be worried are people who who
are settled in their Affairs and

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they don't strike me as very
religious people or people of

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Faith.
They more tend towards.

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I don't know that they don't,
they don't there.

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There's a line in the Urantia
book.

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It says atheism protest against
God, secularism merely ignores

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him.
And that's what's happening, is

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that there's a lot of ignoring,
I have my theories about that,

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which we can expound on.
But what do you think in terms

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of where are we as a spiritual
planet right now?

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How do you think the most highs
of edentia?

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Look at us now?
Are we, are we gaining or losing

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a sender's?
Is there concern?

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You think that?
you know, when your auntie isn't

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producing very much in the way
of people who actually survive,

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The transition?
Well, well, it's a good

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question.
I think that we are at a pivotal

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Point here, for several reasons.
One of them is we seem to be at

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this balance point between
people who are seeking God, and

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those who are seeking something
else, and whether we just call,

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that is as the pivot point
between secularism and religion.

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Or we call it something else.
The war of those who seek God

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versus those who who really want
to kick God out of everything.

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Like we see the trend and
government education other

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institutions and it's concerning
but beyond that we have a

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critical development in
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That's Come about in the last
several decades that if it's

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used with no wisdom or lack of
wisdom that technology can be

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used to to extinguish humanity
and all the companion species

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here because of the devastation
that can be wrought by Advanced

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Weaponry.
We also have technology that is

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more subtle, perhaps, but every
bit is potentially damaging in

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that we could have a
transhumanism Wave occur.

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Where know what is that?
I've heard that what is that?

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Well transhumanism Is the trend
toward taking the biological

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human and interfacing them with
digital technology.

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So where you'd be looking at
human beings who have been

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implanted with various types of
technology that might be chips

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of some sort, some other type of
implants that that's, that could

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link us up to a digital Network.
That could be controlled in

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various ways and it would be
propagandized as enhancing the

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human being by speeding up.
The processing speed of our

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brains perhaps extending our
senses in certain ways by the

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use of cyborg type Prosthetics
making us stronger doing other

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things.
That might Influence.

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Our our DNA that perhaps might
provide some life extension

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characteristics and it seems to
have a goal really of well I

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think of controlling all of
humanity through, I was going to

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say yeah we always you see them
advertising on TV, they have

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these things now that you you
Put them on your your body, and

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it sort of sends a signal to
your iPhone and it keeps it a

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tabs on your glucose glucose,
glucose level and also your

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heartbeat, things like that.
So they've already integrated

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some basic technology that can
be used to gather data on your

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body that I'm okay with.
But if that's a stepping stone,

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to some chip, going into my head
or being inserted to me at birth

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to Create some sort of a neural
response that I don't like and I

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don't even think that would be
possible because of a thought

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adjuster can influence.
Our will can another human being

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really do that through the 8th
of technology?

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Is that even feasible?
Do we evolve?

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Yeah, I think it very much is
possible and I think it's

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already being done, I think
there's been so many advances in

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how to use technology to
influence the Thinking and

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behavior of human beings that if
we were to have the curtains

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pulled back so we can see what's
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I think we would absolutely be
shocked and appalled and really

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frightened about what's been
going on behind the scenes.

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You know, someone who talks
about this quite a bit is

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Catherine.
Austin fits.

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Who if if your your listeners
aren't familiar with Catherine,

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she has she's a brilliant woman.
She's an economist had also been

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the undersecretary, for the
Department of Housing and Urban

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Development, who exposed
tremendous, broad inside that

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department of the US government.
And she has quite a story to

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tell you could you could
consider her a whistleblower,

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but she's brilliant in the areas
of finance and the global

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control Paradigm.
And She has a website called so

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Larry.
Sol arri so Larry.com,

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tremendous research, and she is
brilliant.

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And you can find her all over
the place interviews that she's

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done.
And basically she's been warning

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about what's been going on here
with the technologies that can

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be used, you know, for basically
digital role of the population.

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Her emphasis is on how that is
being steered and orchestrated

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primarily through financial
control.

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So the whole digital web has has
links like tentacles, if you

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will to your bank account to
vaccine, passports, to, to

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digital digital technology that
can be implanted in the human.

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Audience self satellite
operations and, and basically

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all of the surveillance
technology that's been

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saturating the planet, including
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You know, you can hardly drive
anywhere on your block without

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there being some type of unseen
surveillance whether it's at a

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stoplight cameras that are at
yours at Banks.

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When you put your ATM card, we
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surveilled.
And all of that gets linked up

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somewhere and you see how all of
the data collection goes on

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through anytime you're on the
internet, right?

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So when you're on social media
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through a search engine, there's
data continuously being

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harvested from you and it's all
being fed into this.

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This big Network that collects
this and it can be used to

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predict Behaviors and can be
used to influence behaviors so

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that I'm not going to go into
more on the whole transhumanism

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agenda and all that.
It's a tough topic for another

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time.
But, but it's part of what is

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going on on our planet that I
think really has the attention

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of, you know, the spiritual
overseers for this planet

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because we, we are not in a
state of Maturity to be using

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this type of advanced technology
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It's unfortunately the
Temptation is so great to use

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the technology for control and
dominance that we're at this in

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this very dangerous period.
And I think part of what we are

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seeing right now with the the
technology of War and the

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technology A propaganda that can
be exacerbated by the use of

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social media that is playing out
right in front of us right now.

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And I'd like to to address some
of these things on the topic of

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materialism War and the
Brotherhood of Man, just by

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asking this question and it's,
this does materialism drive car.

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Countries toward war and I'd
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feedback on that Jim before I
give you some of my own thoughts

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on it.
Well, I think the commercial

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side, the follow the money side,
there's a, you know, the

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military-industrial complex and
our system in the free market

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system, plays itself out because
War means profits for companies

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that provide materials that
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It also means voters are happy
with their lives.

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So for example, you know, pick a
community, well, let's say Santa

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Barbara and that's the Enter one
of the areas of Raytheon which

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makes missiles and IT Supplies.
A lot of people with good

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incomes, they go to work, they
go home at night just like you

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and me, we're just people, but
they're involved in a process

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that they could help win support
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In that District, if they
continue to support, the people

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who work for Raytheon, because
those people are going to vote

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for that guy so that he stays in
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So our system is sort of set up
In this way where because war is

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so profitable.
I mean, we just sold billions of

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dollars of equipment to Ukraine.
Hopefully, it'll be the same

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amount that we left in
Afghanistan, wouldn't that be

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great?
So, our system right now is sort

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of set up for that.
And and, you know, if you read

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about some of the social values
of War as they're outlined in

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the Urantia book, You know, up
to this point there have been

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some good value to come out of
War.

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It, it disciplines people or a
lot of their early things that

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occurred because of war that
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But now, like you said, we've
been so, you know, we've created

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these things that could kill us.
So Phillip is a species.

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Yeah.
And so now we're, you know,

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we're not there you are not
morally.

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Ethically?
Ready?

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Like Elon Musk talks about
inserting chips, Mark,

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Zuckerberg talking about
metaverse and living within the

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mind.
It's like these are kids playing

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with toys and they have no idea
what's behind the scenes.

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They have no idea what they're
what they're attempting to try

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to do, and it's shameful.
It's embarrassing.

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And I would imagine that Michael
is sitting up.

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Sup, they're going to shaking
his head going?

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What are these people going to
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They're going to obliterate
themselves if they if they're

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not careful.
That's my assessment.

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Yeah I think it goes beyond
embarrassing and shameful to

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it's a it's a display of a
tremendous lack of insight

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maturity and wisdom for what is
the trajectory Up technology

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applications that are just
applied for a profit motive or

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to do something that's cool.
All right, because that's often

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kind of like the real
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Oh wow.
Look at this, it's something new

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and cool.
So let's do it.

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Well, that is a very short-term
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We have to have a long range
Vision to see, okay, what are

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the implications of using a new
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We all sudden, well work, you
know, I'm I'm a billionaire who

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has lots of visibility on social
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genius or a tech tech God if you
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And I'm just going to launch a
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not going to have any input on
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string of thousands of
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orbiting the Earth, everyone's
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it's going to have some type of
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the planet.
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sending and receiving and no one
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about it.
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who's doing this, but it's not
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implications of this.
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hailed this is.
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Innovation.
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All right, and it's giving me
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now I can receive the a stronger
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You know at some location, maybe
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mountains.
Maybe it's it's you know, it's

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wherever okay and it's not it's
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having an internet signal but is
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materialistic benefit to to what
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the technology itself.
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lot of immaturity and
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that is Is quite dangerous for
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Just so we once had a
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in energy and you said that if
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this is what you said, Joel is
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We would end our dependency on,
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But also this renewable rainbow
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Do we have ways?
These still assert that can you

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Go into it a little bit.
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absolutely that technology
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disruptive.
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right now?
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applied in certain covert
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used for a social benefit in the
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And I cannot, there are certain
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Into that in any technical
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from my own direct experience as
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Yes I've encountered, okay, so I
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did not, you know,
non-disclosures are all about.

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So let's let's look at let's
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We could all sort of relate to
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technology that they use for the
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that mRNA does.
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And now that that's been proven
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DNA, but it also gets into all
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they're originally, the vaccine
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the arm.
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that.
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place, this was something that
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and actually the scientist who
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it for years before coronavirus
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So they already knew new and
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technology stuff again.
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saying.
These people are playing God and

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they played God, trying to
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either military or covert
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But it got out, we've all been
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now that they come up with
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to figure out a way to get a
vaccine, it sounds to me like a

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bunch of scientists running
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Just going nuts.
They're just, they think they're

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God's and it makes me upset.
Yeah, it's clearly though, it

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clearly goes beyond the
scientific level, that that

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whole vaccination campaign was
very well orchestrated.

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Among many levels of political
influence, scientific influence,

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media influence, and the whole
propaganda of faith.

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And Defective was so
continuously played each of us.

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Probably about as heard that
safe and effective safe and

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effective.
Thousands of times in the last

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two years, at least thousands of
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of times and is that what the
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safe and effective?
Well absolutely not, it is

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absolutely not safe and
effective but that's been the

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drum beat and it's been
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It's been missed.
Directing, it's been deceitful

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and it's been highly damaging.
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millions and millions of people
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thousands.
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our own country who are going to
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consequences of that, they put
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did not Merit that trust and the
the media failed us because

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they've been beholden to certain
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Basically made them part of this
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Instead of reporting.
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And asking the asking the
responsible questions about safe

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and effective and that has been
shameful, that has been truly

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shameful and it's been criminal
and and we're you know, we're

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going to Bear the brunt as not
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for for that that betrayal of
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Unfortunately, I'm concerned
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orchestration poured, this theme
of global dominance, Global

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control.
So what do we, what do you and I

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what is it, your Rancho reader
do with all this?

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I mean we're not going to save
the world, we're not going to

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change these people's hearts and
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They have to want to change the
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There's a line in the Urantia
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age of Business Leaders and
lawyers next next will be the

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era of philosophy and some
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But anyway, the point was that
We're not at that age of, where

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the quality of thinking is
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treasured.
You know what I mean?

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In other words, the quality of
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to the quality of their thinking
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the world.
Today, in my opinion is subpar,

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at least from the, from the way
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room full of highly intelligent
adult and talk about television

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shows because nobody wants to
have a real discussion about

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something that has enduring
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Yes, yes.
And that's a reflection of the

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degree of immaturity that we are
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our leadership.
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Urantia book says, when it's
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actually had dresses War wa are
addresses war in many different

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papers and those include paper,
52 paper, 70 paper, 134 1994 and

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1995.
And, you know, one of the things

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that it speaks of is that when,
when there were more primitive

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societies, where war was very
common, what emerged out of that

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was strong leadership
individuals, who were highly

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competent, highly capable.
They were, they were courageous,

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they were wise, they Strong and
the they truly could be trusted

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to put the interests of the
clan, the tribe, the the nation,

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the city-state, the nation
whatever they were they were

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trusted to put the interests of
that Society ahead of their own

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narrow self-interest.
We no longer have that in your

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answer book.
Says that we no longer have that

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the way if we elect our leaders,
now often has to do with other

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things besides Integrity
strength, courage Vision, it

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might be things just as is as a
base as well.

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They are popular because we have
seen their faces in

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entertainment, it might be that
they are wealthy so they could

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buy the most advertising time.
It might be because they they

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have had some type of of well
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least media, exposure due to
things that were not

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praiseworthy.
But yet, it got them more

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attention.
And because we have a relatively

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immature, populous as far as
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this, this tendency toward doing
unwise, you know, voting for

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people who don't Merit vote for
something.

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Being as important as
leadership, including National

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leadership and it's and we're
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seeing that being played out
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In these berry types are not I'd
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know, a couple couple examples
here of how I am viewing where

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where we are in this, you know,
materialism war and and

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Brotherhood of Man theme, you
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I think it's fair to say
ordinary citizens are generally

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unfavorable toward War.
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wealthy politicians and
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interests that Really dominate
the push toward war and, you

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know, the political leadership
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comprised of extremely wealthy
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And that's not just here in the
US but that's in, you know, in

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other countries as well.
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with with the Russian leadership
as well, you know, Putin is

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extremely wealthy man.
May eat, they consider, maybe

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he's Of the most wealthy men in
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But these wealthy political
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touch with the economic
circumstances of ordinary

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citizens.
And they tend to be very adverse

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to geopolitical conditions that
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And so generally, they might
advocate for war against the

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best interests of the citizens
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Those who even voted them into
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It's not looking out for for the
everyday Citizen and then that

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wealthy political class.
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insulated from The Economic
Consequences of war and that

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might include things like
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right now.
We are, we are seeing gas prices

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right now as we speak going up
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Dudley because as a consequence
of War, we're seeing supply

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chain interruptions.
There will be food shortages,

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most likely, they'll be
increased crime, destruction of

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homes and businesses, certainly
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But but elsewhere also, we're
already seeing that in cities

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like Portland and Allah and
Seattle, the overabundance.

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I mean, the weight of
consumption is crushing us.

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Yeah.
And it's a complicated very

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complicated Society to there's a
passage in the Urantia book

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where it says that the typical
human being has to make more

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choices now and having to deal
with Society in one generation

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that they've had to do in 10.
It's very complex system.

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When I see a bunch of people, I
see a collection of homeless,

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what I see are people that
couldn't navigate through this

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aside.
T, it was too complicated.

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There are too many barriers of
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There are too many pitfalls.
If you make, if you write a bad

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check ten years ago, you can't
rent a decent apartment.

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You know, things of that nature
of the rule, it's such a fragile

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system that that if you don't
play precisely by the rules,

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then you will be cast out and
you will be, you know, the you

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can't make it, you can't make it
economically.

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Yeah, that's a great Point.
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So people can easily just
despair and give up because it's

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so hard to navigate that system.
The Rancher book talks about

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that as well.
That you know, we tend to be in

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this very materialistic and
secular society, we are

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overburdened by all of these,
all these things, whether it's,

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it's taxes, the weight of laws
of various short, that are that

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Are just you everywhere.
They enshroud us like a Net

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Technology that's gone amok.
You know that you know including

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Weaponry that is so devastating.
Now if it's used.

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And I think even though the fact
that it exists, you know,

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there's going to be a temptation
to use it.

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If you have tools, how I'm gonna
use the tool some time and now

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we, when we have regime's, you
know, All throughout the planet.

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I put the last count, what?
I think, we're probably

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approaching 10 different nations
now that have nuclear weapons,

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and, you know, that and is that
proliferation of nuclear

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armaments increases, that makes
this much much more vulnerable

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to having a type of military
conflict or a terrorism event.

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That would just be be
horrendous, you know, in 1955, I

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heard.
The story about that when the

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ranch a book was first published
they sent out a copy to every

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Congressman I believe every
Senator to and all.

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But one came back.
I wonder if there is a way.

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I mean, we have a blueprint.
We have a man.

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We have a precise blueprint,
several blueprints on what we

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can do at you.
Cited some papers and Social

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Development human evolution,
We're giving we're being given

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information that can help us get
through this period, but

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nobody's reading it.
Nobody's even aware of it.

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And this is where the, the
influencers in society.

453
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,800
If your Ranch a book reader and
you're in a position of

454
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,500
Authority, or a position of
influence, you've got to take,

455
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,100
you don't have to do it
directly, but you can take the

456
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:24,900
lesson plagiarize the hell out
of the book if you want to make

457
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,800
it your own idea.
Whatever you got to do, get the

458
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,400
information that's in the
arrange, a book that tells us

459
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,700
how we can get out of this mess.
Every they even talked about,

460
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,800
you know, you know, as human
labor becomes less important

461
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400
because we've replaced with
machines, well, we got to figure

462
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,700
out what to do with the human
labor.

463
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,100
We've got to remember, you know,
what they're giving these are

464
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:51,800
Celestial smart people they're
telling it.

465
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,000
Yeah.
Yeah, of course they weren't

466
00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,200
just, you know, talking about At
that present day of 1934.

467
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Yeah, when we receive the last
papers they were projecting into

468
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,400
the future as well.
And they were they were state

469
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:17,700
and Common Sense insightful and
wise, you know, projections of

470
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:23,000
what we have to look out for.
And, and part of that in the

471
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,700
papers that talk about
materialism, Is you know, when,

472
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:34,900
when we start to become, well,
they use the word indolent,

473
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,000
which means basically, lazy, non
enterprising video called, yeah.

474
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,100
When we become, we have so much
so much Leisure and distraction

475
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:51,800
by trivialities, and I would
say, one of those is the, the

476
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,800
obsessive social media usage,
right?

477
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Symptom of that.
Materialism.

478
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,600
There are there are things that
become quite destructive.

479
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,600
For instance, like in the social
media, we see how it provides a

480
00:34:05,608 --> 00:34:12,300
platform for war propaganda and
so many other bills.

481
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:16,300
You know, you can have a
politician right now who has

482
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:21,699
been unduly influenced by the
campaign contributions from

483
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:26,100
weapons manufacturers and
therefore are our war advocate.

484
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,600
Okay, we could see politicians
right now.

485
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,699
You could go onto the internet
right now and find on the social

486
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,300
media accounts.
As so many of these politicians.

487
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,500
These statements are false
bravery about come on.

488
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,500
We're going to we're going to go
get em, we got to we got to do

489
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,900
this.
We got to create a no-fly zone

490
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,800
over Ukraine which would be
disastrous, you know, because it

491
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:55,300
would result in direct conflict
of us or NATO forces toward

492
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:58,900
toward Putin's It's forces
themselves, which could ignite

493
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:03,000
world war three immediately.
But yet we got this type of

494
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:08,200
propaganda being put by elected
politicians on to social media.

495
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:12,900
And these are the same type of
individuals who can sound Brave

496
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,700
on social media.
When they're behind their laptop

497
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,400
are in, they would never, they
would never make such

498
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,100
statements, if they were
face-to-face with With the one

499
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:31,000
who they are advocating against.
And I would use just like a

500
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,900
really simple thing, like all
the politicians who were, who

501
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:39,900
were deriding, the truckers who
are participating in, in

502
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,900
protest, ride against the
vaccine mandates, whether in

503
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,500
Canada are here in the US, none
of those politicians who are

504
00:35:47,508 --> 00:35:51,300
deriding them.
Would dare to stand face to face

505
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,800
in front of one of these rugged
truckers.

506
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,700
Yeah, you know, they would say
well, They call that they would

507
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:59,600
be bored courage.
There would be immediate

508
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:05,000
consequence and so they have a
false bravery on social media.

509
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:09,800
That that never would be the
case if this thing hadn't hadn't

510
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,600
been, you know, been there as a
symptom of the materialism.

511
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,100
Yeah.
So it's it's created a really

512
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:22,600
pathetic state of affairs.
You know, another thing to your

513
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Ranch a book, you know, talks
about is In there's a section on

514
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:35,000
political sovereignty.
I think it's actually in paper

515
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,600
134 and it talks about the
maturity of political leaders

516
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,600
and of Statesmen.
And, and one of those, you know

517
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,900
what, what is discussed there is
being able to understand those

518
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,200
those who are in other
countries.

519
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,200
And understand their position.
Not just having us a selfish

520
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,500
position for your own interest.
But also understanding what is

521
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:13,300
going on in the psychology of
others who are living in, in, in

522
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:14,900
other nations.
Yeah.

523
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,600
And, and I'll tell you this,
this is something that has

524
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,200
really come from Square in front
of me.

525
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,400
In the last few days with this
Ukrainian conflict.

526
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:32,100
I have a Brother-in-law who is a
retired Navy intelligence

527
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:37,900
officer, he's a military
historian who has a specialty in

528
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:42,300
Russia and Europe and I had
asked this brother-in-law of

529
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:47,700
mine just a few days ago if he
would be willing to essentially,

530
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:53,800
put it on a class for my family
and for friends and he and he

531
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,300
graciously agreed to do that.
So, so just a few Days ago, we

532
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:06,800
had a 90-minute zoom call where
he basically outlined the

533
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:13,100
geography, the history, the
geopolitics, and the psychology

534
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:18,200
of the Russians, and it was so
enlightening gem.

535
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:24,400
Because what, when, when you
look at it, like in the case of

536
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,400
Russia, they have been do Heard
so many invasions of foreign

537
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,500
powers over the last 1,000
years.

538
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,800
It's very it's very
understandable why they might

539
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,500
have a type of paranoia when it
comes to National Defense.

540
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,800
You know?
They've been invaded by Vikings

541
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,000
by Mongols by swedes by French.
That was Napoleon.

542
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:57,800
Yeah.
Bye-bye the The Ottoman Empire

543
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,100
that actually resulted in the
destruction of Moscow.

544
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:06,100
That was back in the 1500s and
they were invaded by Germany by

545
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:10,300
Hitler's forces.
And when you look at what

546
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:14,600
happened there in that conflict
of World War Two and Russia, the

547
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,900
statistics are startling, and I
had not heard this before.

548
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,300
Until my brother-in-law was was
discussing it.

549
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:27,100
The other night, they said, you
know, during WWII Rush Russia

550
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,700
lost 10 million of their
military.

551
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,000
And 14 million of their
civilians.

552
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,800
It Ward War to a total of 24
million.

553
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Human lives, the Russian human
lives, lost in World War Two.

554
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,800
Now, how did that compare to to,
you know, the US and Britain?

555
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,100
Well, the in the u.s. we lost
400,000 and they were almost all

556
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,100
military.
Same thing for the UK.

557
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:04,400
They lost about 400,000.
More higher slightly higher

558
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,600
percentage of civilians than
military than the us.

559
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:16,400
But combine, the US and UK lost
800,000, Russia lost 24 million.

560
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:23,000
And and as far as inflicting
casualties on Hitler's military,

561
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,000
Russia accounted for 75% of the
German losses.

562
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:37,100
So so Enterprise That they were
so instrumental in WWII being

563
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:42,400
one for the allies and that they
paid the greatest Price in

564
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,100
blood, that that the world has
forgotten the role that they

565
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:50,000
played.
So just knowing that actually

566
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,300
helps me understand a little bit
of what's happening right now.

567
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,100
Exactly.
And that was the that was the

568
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,500
whole point of me.
Asking my brother-in-law to

569
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,900
please, enlighten us, you have
information, we see all this

570
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:08,500
propaganda on the news, social
media, all these sound bites,

571
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:12,900
but they largely are taken out
of context and without much of

572
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:17,200
the real history behind this.
Much less the psychology that

573
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,600
might be part of the leadership
of Russia.

574
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,300
Putin and particular.
Why is he acting?

575
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Getting paranoid.
Well, when you see the history

576
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,700
and when you you see that that
this was a this was and

577
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:39,200
continues to be a powerful
Nation, a proud nation and a

578
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:45,200
heavily armed Nation.
Well, they have been essentially

579
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:51,700
humiliated since the fall of the
Soviet Union and when when the

580
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:59,700
the NATO alliance Continued to
advance Eastward toward the

581
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:03,300
borders of Russia.
That's, that's been continued

582
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:08,100
but that's been construed as a
direct threat to Russia's

583
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:11,100
national security.
So other people don't understand

584
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,400
the history are just like, well,
what's the big deal?

585
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,100
You know, NATO's are good.
They're good guys.

586
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,700
They're the white hats, right?
Us are the good guys, in the

587
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,500
white hats and why are you
acting paranoid?

588
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,200
Well, someone like Putin just
go.

589
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,300
Goes.
Well, what did those white hats

590
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:28,600
do in Iraq?
They destroyed a whole country.

591
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,700
What they do in Syria.
They destroyed a whole country.

592
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:35,000
What they do at Libya, what they
do in Afghanistan after after,

593
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,200
you know, Russia's own blunder
in Afghanistan.

594
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,200
Okay.
So they don't look at that.

595
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,500
The u.s. and the NATO forces as
white hats.

596
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:45,700
Yeah.
Okay.

597
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,900
They look at things in the
context of their own history of

598
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:55,700
being invaded, those which
provides a very Context and it

599
00:42:55,700 --> 00:43:00,500
plays to the point of the way we
get Beyond this point where we

600
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:06,400
have these horrific Wars staring
us down is what you say, wisdom,

601
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,900
a learning about the other
people if we applied the quality

602
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,600
of thinking that could produce
wise leaders who have far-seeing

603
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,600
vision and what's ultimately
good for Humanity.

604
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,500
So, but we're not there yet,
we're nowhere near There.

605
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,500
And the next year.
Next two years I've often said

606
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:32,200
that you know the next this
generation is going to determine

607
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,200
the next 500 to 1,000 years,
depending on who ends up.

608
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Yeah.
And so, but you just said a

609
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,600
mouthful right there.
Jim.

610
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,700
Yeah.
So we're going to have to kind

611
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,600
of leave it, I think, because
we've been going about 45

612
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,300
minutes and I want to talk more
and there's so much more to talk

613
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,800
about.
So the good news is you're going

614
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,200
to come back and we're going to
continue.

615
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,600
We're going to have other
discussions, the bad news is we

616
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:04,600
got to end, it was my fourth
interview of the day and I'm I'm

617
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,600
tired.
But is there any closing ideas

618
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,200
thoughts that you absolutely
want to convey to the listeners?

619
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,600
Yes, my closing thought would be
as dire as things might appear

620
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:27,300
on our planet that we should
place our faith in our creator

621
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:34,300
and in the Divine intelligence
has who are serving us and who

622
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:39,300
are overseeing this planet.
And we should remember that.

623
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:44,300
The primary teachings of Jesus
are the The fatherhood of God in

624
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:50,000
the Brotherhood of Man and that
it might take a while, it might

625
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:57,700
take many generations but we are
just in to learn that lesson in

626
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,400
full the fatherhood of God and
the Brotherhood of Man which

627
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,200
implies that we are all one
family where one human family

628
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,900
were one Divine family as well
and there will be a day when we

629
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,600
can see each other through.
In light of that family.

630
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:22,400
And then war will not go on.
We'll have the opportunity for

631
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,600
really a true Global Peace and
then the opportunity to move

632
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,600
forward as a family and and do
do amazing things on this planet

633
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:38,400
and perhaps reach out to other
inhabited planets in ways that

634
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,600
we can't even imagine right now,
we're not.

635
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,400
We're closer than we think.
Ink.

636
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:51,800
So yes and present tensions are
helping us to grow and mature.

637
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,700
So no growth occurs without
challenge.

638
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:58,000
Yeah.
And we have a lot of challenges

639
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,900
to to encourage that growth,
Joel Garvin my guest.

640
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:05,600
This time up on Z Ranch, Radio
podcast, thank you so much for

641
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,700
for coming on Joel.
Thank you, Kim.