Jan. 30, 2026
Hal's Trip To Tbilisi
UBAnnotated.com and UBTheNews Founder Halbert Katzen joins us to discuss his recent trip to Tbilisi, Georgia to speak to people about the Urantia Book.
Katzen was invited to present his findings on Microcephalic gene research, and how his findings -and new recent developments - corroborate Urantia Book teachings on early human evolution.
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And I'm happy to have on back on
the program Albert Katzen.
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He is the author, creator,
founder of You Be the News and
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also You be annotated.com.
Welcome back.
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How are you, Albert?
Doing good.
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Thanks for having me, Jim.
We had you on a couple of months
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ago and you were telling us
about your upcoming trip to
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Georgia.
And I'm not talking about
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Atlanta, I'm talking about
Georgia and Asia.
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Tell us about what inspired you
to want to go to the country of
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Georgia.
Well, the big inspiration was
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being invited to visit Georgia.
For the last 10 years, I've been
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having Zoom conversations with a
woman named Marina Gigi Ashvili,
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who learned about my work on the
Internet and got in touch.
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And she's been the sole Urantia
book reader in Georgia for like
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decades.
And then about a year or so ago,
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she found one other Georgian who
was willing to take an interest
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in the book, and he's taking a
very powerful interest in it.
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His name's Shota, and he's read
through it once and listened
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through it twice in the last
year or so.
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So he's obviously pretty
enthusiastic.
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And I've been learning about
Georgia through Marina for years
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now and it's an incredibly
interesting country, both in a
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contemporary sense and it and
historical sense, and also in a
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Eurasia book specific context.
It's really quite at the
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crossroads of the birth of
humanity and, and all of the
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major epics and and rebellions
and defaults and all of it.
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So because the Caucasus
Mountains are its northern
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border and it creates the
barrier between the Black Sea
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and the Caspian Sea, it's
created a little bottleneck
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there of humanity, because you
could go either E into the
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Orient or and go West up into
Europe or South into Africa and
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the Mideast.
But the Caucasus Mountains sort
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of stop the direct northerly
route.
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And so for that reason, it, you
know, created a certain kind of
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gene pool and history.
This is the area where the
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mighty men of old were hanging
out, and this is the area of
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Lake Van.
And there's numerous lakes that
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have the word Van embedded in
them in that area.
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They definitely have preserved
that name in their history, even
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though they don't understand it
well.
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But I would mention at this
point, one of the things I've
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learned recently is that they
found underwater megalithic
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architecture in Lake Van.
It's like 85 feet deep.
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And they came to realize that
this got buried under the water
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because of the volcano that
exploded about 12,000 years ago
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and shut off the outlet to the
lake.
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So that of course, caused the
water to rise and for the
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architecture to get flooded.
And because you're able to date
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that pretty readily in terms of
when the volcano blew, they've
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got a date for that megaphythic
architecture that as old as
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Gobekli Cafe and much more
refined in its nature.
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There's this whole wooden,
wooden is rather stone tower
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where where you've got, you
know, perfectly huge stone that
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you don't need any mortar
between them.
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And it's just incredible.
Apparently these are the deepest
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monoliths, you know, submerged
of all the ones around the
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world.
Other ones tend to be closer to
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the shore because of just
experiencing shoreline changes.
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But this was a more dramatic
geological event, you know, in
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relationship to the lake.
So it got submerged a lot more.
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OK.
So a couple of things.
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I'll just have a couple
questions on on what we've what
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you've said so far.
And I want to get to the part
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where you gave your presentation
and what you covered there.
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So for those who don't know or
or or perhaps might not know,
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Lake Van was named after one of
the 100 of the planetary
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Prince's staff, Calagasia.
And so for much of the world,
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not that many people I can think
of know that Lake Van was
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actually named and goes back
hundreds of thousands of years.
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And Van played a a role, couple
of important roles #1 he
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established a, a civilization or
a Cultural Center in that region
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of Lake Van, which bears his
name.
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And I'm not sure that people in
the world really have ever made
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a connection of where exactly
the name came from.
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I mean, outside of the Urantia
book, is there any literature
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that explains where the name
came from?
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I think they do have some
traditions.
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They're related to the name, but
I couldn't expound on them.
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OK, obviously it's not lost on
them that they're using that
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word and that that syllable is
meaningful to them, but I, I
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couldn't really give you the the
stories.
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And then, of course, on the
point of that region, the
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Nodites went through that area,
the Adamites, the Blue Man,
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obviously, when again, based on
the Urantia narrative, the the
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Sangit Graces that went to
Europe, notably the Blue and
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even the Andonites before them
would have travelled that area.
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So when how how says that it's
heavily travelled.
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It is a historically, it's the
cradle, it's the passageway of
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the cradle of civilization to
all of Europe and Asia.
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So one can imagine the rich
culture.
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It's probably one of the most,
the oldest establishments for
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civilization on the planet.
Is is that a fair statement?
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Well, yes, I think so.
And, and one of the things I
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needed to do for the
presentation, of course, was to
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create some slides to give some
visuals in an effort to help
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people put all of this history
together in their minds as
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quickly as possible so that I
could get on to some of the
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specific reports.
And so I did end up creating a
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slide of the greater Mesopotamia
area, you know, that extends to
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the Sowalik hills in northern
India and and captures that
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whole expanse of where the
Andonites started out, the first
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human beings, where the colored
races, the Sangux emerged
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further to the West.
And then how the rebellion, the
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Lucifer rebellion created the
Novites and, and that led to Van
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and the Garden of Eden.
And you know, all of that is in
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the same area, generally
speaking.
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And the slide presentation I'll
just mention now currently at
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the bottom of the Gobekli Tepe
web page on you be annotated,
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there is a link to that.
And also recently I just got a
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video of the presentation
posted.
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Of course, it's a little bit
more Georgian friendly than for
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people who speak English because
it's all being translated into
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Georgian.
But hopefully I'll get another
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presentation done just in
English, you know, and, and get
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all of this presented that way
for our English speaking
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audience.
But you know, that was an actual
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thing to do.
And, and people can go and also
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the quick links for that on my
sub stack.
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If you go to the UV, the news
sub stack or Halbert Katz and
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either one of those searches
will get you to it.
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That'll also provide links to
both the presentation and PDF of
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the slides.
So that being said, excuse me,
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happy to report we had about 30
people show up at the Georgia's
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National Library in Tbilisi.
They had a beautiful room there
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to accommodate us with all the
technology we needed readily
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available.
And so the presentation went on
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for about two hours almost.
We had a little time for
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questions at the end, but with
all that translating that needed
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to be done, we were just barely
getting through it.
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One of the things that was
especially special about giving
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the presentation, which I
haven't given for 10 years now,
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is that we've got new research
related to Adam and Eve's
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genetics.
The very first UV the news
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report turned out to be this
one.
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And it concerns genetics
research done by a very renowned
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geneticist named Bruce Law.
And this was in the early 2000s
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out of the the Howard Hughes
Medical Institute, which is part
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of the University of Chicago.
And he was focused in on the
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microcephalin gene, which is
responsible for brain growth,
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and he noticed that there was an
extra piece of genetic material
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like stuck on to it for some
people and not for others.
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And so he decided to study that.
He determined that it entered
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the human gene pool about 37,000
years ago from a single source
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and migrated quickly into the
human population.
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And of course, all of this
tracks very nicely with what the
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Urantia book says about Adam and
Eve's genetics.
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His research showed where it
went and where it didn't go.
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And that all paralleled the
Urantia book.
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And because it didn't get into
sub-Saharan Africa, the research
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became very controversial.
And because it was suggesting
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that there might be intelligence
differences between the races
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and that was not the politically
correct interpretation for
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science in America.
This is ironic for Bruce Long
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because he immigrated from China
and was hoping to enjoy a
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greater degree of academic
freedom in the United States
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than he did in China.
So he does this revolutionary
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work that is profound in its
implications.
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And then they basically had to
disavow the implications of it
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and say, oh, this couldn't
possibly have anything to do
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with intelligence.
And they just shut down work on
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on that microcephalin gene and,
and studying it any further.
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Well, that was the early 2000s.
And then lo and behold, in 2019,
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the Chinese decide to take that
extra piece of the microcephalin
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gene.
They call it MCPH One and splice
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it on to some rhesus monkeys and
the monkeys became smarter.
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So in an incredible twist of
irony, China has come around and
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proved up the significance of
what Bruce Juan had to leave
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China to discover in the 1st
place, but then couldn't
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continue with it because the US
politics wouldn't allow it.
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So that whole unfolding drama
is, is just rich with irony and
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rich with importance.
And, and so it's fun to deliver
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that.
And of course, I never really
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had a chance to until more
recently when the Chinese, you
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know, came along with this and,
and I got to tell you, it's it's
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a, it's a great way to present
that material.
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Now, it was powerful before the
Chinese did that.
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It was a plenty powerful report.
But now with the more recent
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Chinese research, it's just, you
know, over the top, impressive
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and and fun to talk about.
I would guess that even now,
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especially now, the
microcephalin gene study is
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still sort of suppressed, right?
I mean, then people in the West
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are not going to go anywhere
near that even right now,
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correct?
I I think you're correct
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because, you know, for instance,
I didn't learn about this until
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just recently in the last year,
even though it happened back in
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2019.
And your answer book readers
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have been feeding me news
stories all the time, you know,
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asking, hey, how big is this a
verification?
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Does that cooperate?
Your rancher book history?
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Can you use this?
Can you use that?
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And nobody came to me with this.
So yes, I think that you're
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right.
Even though they did the
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research and it did get
published, we didn't want to
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make a big deal of it here in
this country and didn't and
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haven't, and what a shame.
Let me ask you a question on
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that and and you may not know
the answer to this, but I'll ask
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you just in case you you might.
Is there any chance that with
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this new CRISPR technology that
they, that nefarious powers
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might try to use the
microcephalin genes to create an
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army of very smart humanoids or
something like that?
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I mean this is something like
that could be do that could be
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done.
Well, I think the Chinese have
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already proven that it can be
done.
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I mean, not only can it be done,
it can be done on an
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interstacial level, which, you
know, has all kinds of strange
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implications.
You know, they they make sci-fi
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movies about that, you know,
Planet of the Apes and
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everything.
You know, the more recent ones,
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they go in the genetics
direction with it, of course.
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But this is now reality.
And you know, what's strange
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about the whole conversation is
that it tends to go in the
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direction you just said.
Oh, my goodness, what if people,
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you know, use CRISPR to try to
make smarter babies?
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Hey, how about if you just have
sex and procreate with people
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who have that, you know, like we
could do this the old fashioned
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way.
There's no reason to get overly
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tricky about it.
Maybe we should just respect,
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you know, what this means and
plan accordingly And and you
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know, get with the regular plan
that maybe populations that
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don't have it need to find a
donor and and you know, someone
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interested to take the leap with
them and start a family that
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way.
You know this is I'm going to
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state the elements problem well.
It's because of our, I mean,
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we've had the only other
experience that most of us ever
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know about was of course, what,
what, you know, they were doing
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with eugenics back in the 20s
and 30s.
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So I think that's probably why
there's a soft spot in this area
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of science.
We don't want to make that
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mistake again.
But at the same time, people do
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through Introvert, they will
scan and make sure that, for
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example, they don't want to have
a Down syndrome child or they'd
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like to have a child that would
be free from certain kinds of
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genetic diseases that they could
possibly inherit.
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So there is a subtle shift
towards the recognition that
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it's a smart approach to think
about what we are procreating.
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But it's it's in its infancy.
We're we're it's still too
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close.
I think, I think, I think it's
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way beyond its infancy.
I mean, the whole issue of in
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vitro fertilization and sperm
banks has been around for
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decades now.
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certain characteristics when
they go to the sperm bank.
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Hey, who was this guy?
It's not a new conversation for
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us.
And when people talk about it
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today, they say stupid things
like this isn't exactly
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eugenics, it's exactly eugenics.
That's exactly what it is.
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You know.
It's funny people when they say
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that that's not eugenics, but in
the same paragraph or the same
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breath, they have to admit that
it is.
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But we can't use that word, and
it's just people being stupid
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with language because we don't
have the courage to use a
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perfectly good word and develop
it just like we did democracy.
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We didn't give up on democracy
when it started out with slavery
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and women weren't allowed to
vote and even white men couldn't
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vote less.
They owned property.
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But we didn't demonize the word
democracy just because it had
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some immature, you know,
progressive developments that
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aren't living up to the ideals
that we cherish today.
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Well, the same thing with
eugenics, you know, and, and we
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need to get smarter about it, I
think, and and more courageous.
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And, you know, the real
challenge is, is right in the
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home.
Parents have trouble just
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talking about the subject with
their children, the facts of
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life, the birds and bees and
what it means to procreate and
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how genetics works.
Yeah, well, we'll see.
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It's just it's a hard
conversation.
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Well, it's only hard because of
the, the racial overtones.
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Everything is about being this
or that.
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And you know, that's all part of
the greater political
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discussion.
But let's get back to the the
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Georgia event.
And you gave this presentation
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and it was about, of course, the
microcephalin.
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But to to the other part, which
I found interesting about your
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story.
And by the way, I would
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recommend people listening to
this podcast to follow Halbert
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on Substack.
I love Substack.
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Byron Beletsus is also doing
great stuff, too.
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It's a great forum, smart people
collaborating, sharing ideas.
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And yours is particularly, I
find, enjoyable, especially
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knowing the fact that, you know,
you're your Rancho book reader.
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But tell me about.
Yeah.
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And, and, and, and one thing
that captured me about your
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story is that you actually
introduced it.
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Sound to me like you helped
perpetuate the first study group
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in Georgia of the Oranjibur.
Well, I hope we're getting
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something going that way.
You know, there's certainly were
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a number of people who were
showing ongoing interests that
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I'm still in touch with, the
Marina is still in touch with.
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And I thought it was just as
exciting as could be at the end
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when I really didn't know quite
how well things are being
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received and the number of.
The women came up and asked to
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have their Urantia books signed.
That really let me know that,
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yeah.
What was did you sign?
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Them there's.
Something about.
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Yeah, of course I said something
about, you know, I hope it's a
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great new beginning for you.
And I signed my name and dated
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it.
It, you know, I had to come up
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with something quick.
You really didn't expect it?
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Yeah, well, you know, good for
you.
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Yeah.
The other thing I want to say is
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that especially, you know, in a
place like Georgia, which is so
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close to the Gobekli Tepe
archaeological site in Turkey,
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and now they really refer to the
dozen or so sites in that
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Gobekli Tepe area as the Kepler
collection of sites.
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And, and so George's
relationship to all of that,
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just because of proximity is, is
notable.
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We discussed this at the
beginning of our talk.
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And so when I transition from
talking about Adam and Eve to
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then talking about Gobekli Tepe
and how the snakes are better
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interpreted as sperm and how
other carved images on the stone
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really look like a uterus and
fallopian tubes, like, for
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instance, the bull you normally
associate with masculinity, of
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course.
But if you look at the way these
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carvings are done, they'll have
like an egg shape with an H in
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the middle, like the chromosome
H, you know, and, and
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parentheses on either side of
it.
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And then you know, above you've
got a single sperm pointing
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towards it, and below you've got
the bull's head with the horns.
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And if you think about just a
bull's head with the horns in
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the way the horns curve, it
looks like a uterus and
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fallopian tubes.
And there's other images that
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aren't a bull but like look like
archaeologists call it like the
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back half of the fox, which
basically means you have what
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looks like a vagina going into a
uterus and then has two
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fallopian tubes.
And at the end of those tubes,
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there's some extra little lines
that archaeologists will call
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the feet.
But from biology, we know that's
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where the ovaries are.
So it actually indicates, you
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know, that they had some memory
and understanding of, of human
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biology this way and some
teachings about it.
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So I think, you know, that
really helps tie it all together
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very powerfully.
I used to just focus on like the
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Garden of Eden report and Adam
and Eve because you get one
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that's very visual and easy to
present efficiently that way.
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And then the Adam and Eve report
is so powerful in its own right,
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but when those two are then put
before Gobekli Tepe, it really,
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I think, presents a very
powerful, impressive perspective
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on what the Urantia book has to
offer.
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And so, you know, I just want to
encourage people and remind
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people that even though these
topics are old, for us who've
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been studying the Urantia book
for a while and are aware of
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these things, for someone who's
new to it all, it's really quite
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astounding.
It's just getting better with
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age, you know.
So that's true because of the
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Chinese research and it's true
because of the way development
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of the Gobekli Tepe and other
archaeological sites has
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proceeded so much.
And, and now we've even got Lake
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Van in the area.
So, you know, there's really a
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lot to to talk about and, and
more so all the time.
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What you're saying and what the
Urantia book says, is that there
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in our prehistory, there were
pockets of civilization, but
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they were, they were rooted in
the Caligastia group and then
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later the Adamites.
And these were highly
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intelligent beings that had a
profound influence on early man.
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Now, if you were to say that to
an anthropologist, they would
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laugh at you.
However, that that narrative
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actually would explain why there
are these complicated structures
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that have been built so long
ago.
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The only possible explanation
would be that there was at one
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point an advanced civilization.
Well, yes, of course.
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And, and this is challenging for
archaeologists.
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I mean, they understand that
civilizations can come and go
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and and not survive well for one
reason or another.
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Often climate is a is a major
factor, of course, over long
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expanses of time.
But even still, you know, they
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have only so much to work with
and the genetics is just coming
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along, you know, in more recent
years.
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And it's virtually impossible
for them to be postulating the
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type of stories that are in the
Urantia book that explain why
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we've got genetic markers from
200,000 years ago related to the
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Lucifer rebellion in creating
the Nodites and then the
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Adamites 150,000 years later.
It's it, you know, it's a pretty
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strange story, except that it
fits the facts so well.
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But, you know, from a purely
scientific perspective, I mean,
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they can't even determine, you
know, correlation between brain
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size and being human, right?
Because you can't really tell
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how well a brain is working just
because you know how big it is.
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Was it a beautiful country?
Pretty country?
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Did you get a chance to go out
into the country and take a look
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at some of the ruins or?
No, I didn't have a chance to
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get outside the city much.
I did on one occasion go see a
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archaeological site at the edge
of the city or just outside the
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city, and that's as Ferrari as I
got outside the city.
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There is a lot of left to be
desired there.
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I I thought there was going to
be better English among the
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people doing business in the
shops and things like that.
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The the biggest cultural
challenge is that Russians will
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speak English in an effort to
hide being Russian.
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And everyone knows this.
So if I start speaking in
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English and forget to say I'm
from America, I can get some
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negative energy.
And I didn't realize that at
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first.
But the political tensions in
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Georgia are very real.
The younger people, you know,
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are going to have their
interests.
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The Russian tourists coming into
Georgia want to enjoy American
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chic clothing and jewelry and
perfumes and things like that.
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You'll see in, you know, the big
mall in, in downtown Tibilisi.
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It's amazing how Western, you
know, the the stores are.
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You get further out of the city,
of course, and things get more
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traditional and, and it's a
small country.
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So all of this is mixed together
in a relatively small
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population.
But unavoidably, because there's
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always going to be differences
between the city mouse and the
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country mouse, between the young
and the old, you know, you'll
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have political differences.
So all of these basic human
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elements are are functioning in
Georgia, but the population is
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just so small and its place in
world politics is so peculiar.
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It's just got a lot of cross
current going on very heavily
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all at once.
OK, so that's my conversation
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with Albert Katzen, just back
from Georgia where he went on a
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trip to promote the ranch book
to some friends and a community
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there.
And what a great trip.
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What great effort too.
And also follow him on Sub Stack
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as I mentioned, he's always got
something cooking.
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And I'm happy to have on back on
the program Albert Katzen.
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He is the author, creator,
founder of You Be the News and
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also You be annotated.com.
Welcome back.
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How are you, Albert?
Doing good.
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Thanks for having me, Jim.
We had you on a couple of months
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ago and you were telling us
about your upcoming trip to
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Georgia.
And I'm not talking about
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Atlanta, I'm talking about
Georgia and Asia.
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Tell us about what inspired you
to want to go to the country of
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Georgia.
Well, the big inspiration was
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being invited to visit Georgia.
For the last 10 years, I've been
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having Zoom conversations with a
woman named Marina Gigi Ashvili,
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who learned about my work on the
Internet and got in touch.
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And she's been the sole Urantia
book reader in Georgia for like
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decades.
And then about a year or so ago,
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she found one other Georgian who
was willing to take an interest
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in the book, and he's taking a
very powerful interest in it.
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His name's Shota, and he's read
through it once and listened
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through it twice in the last
year or so.
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So he's obviously pretty
enthusiastic.
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And I've been learning about
Georgia through Marina for years
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now and it's an incredibly
interesting country, both in a
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contemporary sense and it and
historical sense, and also in a
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Eurasia book specific context.
It's really quite at the
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crossroads of the birth of
humanity and, and all of the
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major epics and and rebellions
and defaults and all of it.
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So because the Caucasus
Mountains are its northern
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border and it creates the
barrier between the Black Sea
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and the Caspian Sea, it's
created a little bottleneck
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there of humanity, because you
could go either E into the
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Orient or and go West up into
Europe or South into Africa and
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the Mideast.
But the Caucasus Mountains sort
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of stop the direct northerly
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know, created a certain kind of
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gene pool and history.
This is the area where the
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mighty men of old were hanging
out, and this is the area of
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Lake Van.
And there's numerous lakes that
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have the word Van embedded in
them in that area.
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They definitely have preserved
that name in their history, even
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though they don't understand it
well.
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But I would mention at this
point, one of the things I've
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learned recently is that they
found underwater megalithic
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architecture in Lake Van.
It's like 85 feet deep.
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And they came to realize that
this got buried under the water
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because of the volcano that
exploded about 12,000 years ago
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and shut off the outlet to the
lake.
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So that of course, caused the
water to rise and for the
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architecture to get flooded.
And because you're able to date
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that pretty readily in terms of
when the volcano blew, they've
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got a date for that megaphythic
architecture that as old as
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Gobekli Cafe and much more
refined in its nature.
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There's this whole wooden,
wooden is rather stone tower
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where where you've got, you
know, perfectly huge stone that
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you don't need any mortar
between them.
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And it's just incredible.
Apparently these are the deepest
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monoliths, you know, submerged
of all the ones around the
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world.
Other ones tend to be closer to
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the shore because of just
experiencing shoreline changes.
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But this was a more dramatic
geological event, you know, in
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relationship to the lake.
So it got submerged a lot more.
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OK.
So a couple of things.
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I'll just have a couple
questions on on what we've what
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you've said so far.
And I want to get to the part
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where you gave your presentation
and what you covered there.
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So for those who don't know or
or or perhaps might not know,
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Lake Van was named after one of
the 100 of the planetary
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Prince's staff, Calagasia.
And so for much of the world,
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not that many people I can think
of know that Lake Van was
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actually named and goes back
hundreds of thousands of years.
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And Van played a a role, couple
of important roles #1 he
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established a, a civilization or
a Cultural Center in that region
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of Lake Van, which bears his
name.
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And I'm not sure that people in
the world really have ever made
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a connection of where exactly
the name came from.
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I mean, outside of the Urantia
book, is there any literature
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that explains where the name
came from?
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I think they do have some
traditions.
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They're related to the name, but
I couldn't expound on them.
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OK, obviously it's not lost on
them that they're using that
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word and that that syllable is
meaningful to them, but I, I
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couldn't really give you the the
stories.
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And then, of course, on the
point of that region, the
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Nodites went through that area,
the Adamites, the Blue Man,
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obviously, when again, based on
the Urantia narrative, the the
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Sangit Graces that went to
Europe, notably the Blue and
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even the Andonites before them
would have travelled that area.
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So when how how says that it's
heavily travelled.
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It is a historically, it's the
cradle, it's the passageway of
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the cradle of civilization to
all of Europe and Asia.
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So one can imagine the rich
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It's probably one of the most,
the oldest establishments for
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civilization on the planet.
Is is that a fair statement?
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Well, yes, I think so.
And, and one of the things I
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needed to do for the
presentation, of course, was to
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create some slides to give some
visuals in an effort to help
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people put all of this history
together in their minds as
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quickly as possible so that I
could get on to some of the
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specific reports.
And so I did end up creating a
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slide of the greater Mesopotamia
area, you know, that extends to
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the Sowalik hills in northern
India and and captures that
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whole expanse of where the
Andonites started out, the first
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human beings, where the colored
races, the Sangux emerged
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further to the West.
And then how the rebellion, the
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Lucifer rebellion created the
Novites and, and that led to Van
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and the Garden of Eden.
And you know, all of that is in
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the same area, generally
speaking.
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And the slide presentation I'll
just mention now currently at
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the bottom of the Gobekli Tepe
web page on you be annotated,
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there is a link to that.
And also recently I just got a
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video of the presentation
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Of course, it's a little bit
more Georgian friendly than for
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people who speak English because
it's all being translated into
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Georgian.
But hopefully I'll get another
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presentation done just in
English, you know, and, and get
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all of this presented that way
for our English speaking
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audience.
But you know, that was an actual
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thing to do.
And, and people can go and also
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the quick links for that on my
sub stack.
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If you go to the UV, the news
sub stack or Halbert Katz and
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either one of those searches
will get you to it.
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That'll also provide links to
both the presentation and PDF of
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the slides.
So that being said, excuse me,
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happy to report we had about 30
people show up at the Georgia's
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National Library in Tbilisi.
They had a beautiful room there
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to accommodate us with all the
technology we needed readily
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available.
And so the presentation went on
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for about two hours almost.
We had a little time for
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questions at the end, but with
all that translating that needed
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to be done, we were just barely
getting through it.
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One of the things that was
especially special about giving
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the presentation, which I
haven't given for 10 years now,
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is that we've got new research
related to Adam and Eve's
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genetics.
The very first UV the news
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report turned out to be this
one.
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And it concerns genetics
research done by a very renowned
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geneticist named Bruce Law.
And this was in the early 2000s
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out of the the Howard Hughes
Medical Institute, which is part
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of the University of Chicago.
And he was focused in on the
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microcephalin gene, which is
responsible for brain growth,
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and he noticed that there was an
extra piece of genetic material
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like stuck on to it for some
people and not for others.
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And so he decided to study that.
He determined that it entered
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the human gene pool about 37,000
years ago from a single source
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and migrated quickly into the
human population.
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And of course, all of this
tracks very nicely with what the
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Urantia book says about Adam and
Eve's genetics.
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His research showed where it
went and where it didn't go.
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And that all paralleled the
Urantia book.
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And because it didn't get into
sub-Saharan Africa, the research
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became very controversial.
And because it was suggesting
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that there might be intelligence
differences between the races
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and that was not the politically
correct interpretation for
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science in America.
This is ironic for Bruce Long
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because he immigrated from China
and was hoping to enjoy a
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greater degree of academic
freedom in the United States
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than he did in China.
So he does this revolutionary
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work that is profound in its
implications.
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And then they basically had to
disavow the implications of it
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and say, oh, this couldn't
possibly have anything to do
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with intelligence.
And they just shut down work on
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on that microcephalin gene and,
and studying it any further.
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Well, that was the early 2000s.
And then lo and behold, in 2019,
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the Chinese decide to take that
extra piece of the microcephalin
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gene.
They call it MCPH One and splice
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it on to some rhesus monkeys and
the monkeys became smarter.
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So in an incredible twist of
irony, China has come around and
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proved up the significance of
what Bruce Juan had to leave
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China to discover in the 1st
place, but then couldn't
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continue with it because the US
politics wouldn't allow it.
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So that whole unfolding drama
is, is just rich with irony and
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rich with importance.
And, and so it's fun to deliver
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that.
And of course, I never really
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had a chance to until more
recently when the Chinese, you
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know, came along with this and,
and I got to tell you, it's it's
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a, it's a great way to present
that material.
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Now, it was powerful before the
Chinese did that.
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It was a plenty powerful report.
But now with the more recent
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Chinese research, it's just, you
know, over the top, impressive
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and and fun to talk about.
I would guess that even now,
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especially now, the
microcephalin gene study is
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still sort of suppressed, right?
I mean, then people in the West
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are not going to go anywhere
near that even right now,
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correct?
I I think you're correct
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because, you know, for instance,
I didn't learn about this until
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just recently in the last year,
even though it happened back in
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2019.
And your answer book readers
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have been feeding me news
stories all the time, you know,
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asking, hey, how big is this a
verification?
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Does that cooperate?
Your rancher book history?
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Can you use this?
Can you use that?
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And nobody came to me with this.
So yes, I think that you're
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right.
Even though they did the
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research and it did get
published, we didn't want to
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make a big deal of it here in
this country and didn't and
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haven't, and what a shame.
Let me ask you a question on
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that and and you may not know
the answer to this, but I'll ask
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you just in case you you might.
Is there any chance that with
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this new CRISPR technology that
they, that nefarious powers
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might try to use the
microcephalin genes to create an
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army of very smart humanoids or
something like that?
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I mean this is something like
that could be do that could be
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done.
Well, I think the Chinese have
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already proven that it can be
done.
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I mean, not only can it be done,
it can be done on an
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interstacial level, which, you
know, has all kinds of strange
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implications.
You know, they they make sci-fi
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movies about that, you know,
Planet of the Apes and
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everything.
You know, the more recent ones,
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they go in the genetics
direction with it, of course.
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But this is now reality.
And you know, what's strange
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about the whole conversation is
that it tends to go in the
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direction you just said.
Oh, my goodness, what if people,
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you know, use CRISPR to try to
make smarter babies?
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Hey, how about if you just have
sex and procreate with people
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who have that, you know, like we
could do this the old fashioned
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way.
There's no reason to get overly
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tricky about it.
Maybe we should just respect,
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you know, what this means and
plan accordingly And and you
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know, get with the regular plan
that maybe populations that
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don't have it need to find a
donor and and you know, someone
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interested to take the leap with
them and start a family that
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way.
You know this is I'm going to
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state the elements problem well.
It's because of our, I mean,
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we've had the only other
experience that most of us ever
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know about was of course, what,
what, you know, they were doing
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with eugenics back in the 20s
and 30s.
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So I think that's probably why
there's a soft spot in this area
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of science.
We don't want to make that
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mistake again.
But at the same time, people do
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through Introvert, they will
scan and make sure that, for
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example, they don't want to have
a Down syndrome child or they'd
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like to have a child that would
be free from certain kinds of
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genetic diseases that they could
possibly inherit.
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So there is a subtle shift
towards the recognition that
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it's a smart approach to think
about what we are procreating.
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But it's it's in its infancy.
We're we're it's still too
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close.
I think, I think, I think it's
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way beyond its infancy.
I mean, the whole issue of in
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vitro fertilization and sperm
banks has been around for
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decades now.
And people have been looking for
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certain characteristics when
they go to the sperm bank.
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Hey, who was this guy?
It's not a new conversation for
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us.
And when people talk about it
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today, they say stupid things
like this isn't exactly
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eugenics, it's exactly eugenics.
That's exactly what it is.
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You know.
It's funny people when they say
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that that's not eugenics, but in
the same paragraph or the same
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breath, they have to admit that
it is.
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But we can't use that word, and
it's just people being stupid
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with language because we don't
have the courage to use a
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perfectly good word and develop
it just like we did democracy.
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We didn't give up on democracy
when it started out with slavery
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and women weren't allowed to
vote and even white men couldn't
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vote less.
They owned property.
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But we didn't demonize the word
democracy just because it had
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some immature, you know,
progressive developments that
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aren't living up to the ideals
that we cherish today.
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Well, the same thing with
eugenics, you know, and, and we
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need to get smarter about it, I
think, and and more courageous.
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And, you know, the real
challenge is, is right in the
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home.
Parents have trouble just
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talking about the subject with
their children, the facts of
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life, the birds and bees and
what it means to procreate and
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how genetics works.
Yeah, well, we'll see.
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It's just it's a hard
conversation.
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Well, it's only hard because of
the, the racial overtones.
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Everything is about being this
or that.
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And you know, that's all part of
the greater political
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discussion.
But let's get back to the the
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Georgia event.
And you gave this presentation
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and it was about, of course, the
microcephalin.
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But to to the other part, which
I found interesting about your
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story.
And by the way, I would
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recommend people listening to
this podcast to follow Halbert
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on Substack.
I love Substack.
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Byron Beletsus is also doing
great stuff, too.
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It's a great forum, smart people
collaborating, sharing ideas.
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And yours is particularly, I
find, enjoyable, especially
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knowing the fact that, you know,
you're your Rancho book reader.
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But tell me about.
Yeah.
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And, and, and, and one thing
that captured me about your
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story is that you actually
introduced it.
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Sound to me like you helped
perpetuate the first study group
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in Georgia of the Oranjibur.
Well, I hope we're getting
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something going that way.
You know, there's certainly were
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a number of people who were
showing ongoing interests that
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I'm still in touch with, the
Marina is still in touch with.
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And I thought it was just as
exciting as could be at the end
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when I really didn't know quite
how well things are being
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received and the number of.
The women came up and asked to
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have their Urantia books signed.
That really let me know that,
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yeah.
What was did you sign?
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Them there's.
Something about.
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Yeah, of course I said something
about, you know, I hope it's a
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great new beginning for you.
And I signed my name and dated
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it.
It, you know, I had to come up
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with something quick.
You really didn't expect it?
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Yeah, well, you know, good for
you.
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Yeah.
The other thing I want to say is
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that especially, you know, in a
place like Georgia, which is so
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close to the Gobekli Tepe
archaeological site in Turkey,
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and now they really refer to the
dozen or so sites in that
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Gobekli Tepe area as the Kepler
collection of sites.
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And, and so George's
relationship to all of that,
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just because of proximity is, is
notable.
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We discussed this at the
beginning of our talk.
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And so when I transition from
talking about Adam and Eve to
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then talking about Gobekli Tepe
and how the snakes are better
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interpreted as sperm and how
other carved images on the stone
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really look like a uterus and
fallopian tubes, like, for
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instance, the bull you normally
associate with masculinity, of
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course.
But if you look at the way these
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carvings are done, they'll have
like an egg shape with an H in
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the middle, like the chromosome
H, you know, and, and
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parentheses on either side of
it.
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And then you know, above you've
got a single sperm pointing
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towards it, and below you've got
the bull's head with the horns.
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And if you think about just a
bull's head with the horns in
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the way the horns curve, it
looks like a uterus and
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fallopian tubes.
And there's other images that
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aren't a bull but like look like
archaeologists call it like the
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back half of the fox, which
basically means you have what
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looks like a vagina going into a
uterus and then has two
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fallopian tubes.
And at the end of those tubes,
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there's some extra little lines
that archaeologists will call
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the feet.
But from biology, we know that's
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where the ovaries are.
So it actually indicates, you
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know, that they had some memory
and understanding of, of human
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biology this way and some
teachings about it.
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So I think, you know, that
really helps tie it all together
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very powerfully.
I used to just focus on like the
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Garden of Eden report and Adam
and Eve because you get one
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that's very visual and easy to
present efficiently that way.
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And then the Adam and Eve report
is so powerful in its own right,
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but when those two are then put
before Gobekli Tepe, it really,
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I think, presents a very
powerful, impressive perspective
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on what the Urantia book has to
offer.
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And so, you know, I just want to
encourage people and remind
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people that even though these
topics are old, for us who've
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been studying the Urantia book
for a while and are aware of
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these things, for someone who's
new to it all, it's really quite
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astounding.
It's just getting better with
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age, you know.
So that's true because of the
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Chinese research and it's true
because of the way development
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of the Gobekli Tepe and other
archaeological sites has
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proceeded so much.
And, and now we've even got Lake
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Van in the area.
So, you know, there's really a
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lot to to talk about and, and
more so all the time.
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What you're saying and what the
Urantia book says, is that there
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in our prehistory, there were
pockets of civilization, but
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they were, they were rooted in
the Caligastia group and then
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later the Adamites.
And these were highly
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intelligent beings that had a
profound influence on early man.
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Now, if you were to say that to
an anthropologist, they would
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laugh at you.
However, that that narrative
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actually would explain why there
are these complicated structures
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that have been built so long
ago.
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The only possible explanation
would be that there was at one
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point an advanced civilization.
Well, yes, of course.
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And, and this is challenging for
archaeologists.
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I mean, they understand that
civilizations can come and go
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and and not survive well for one
reason or another.
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Often climate is a is a major
factor, of course, over long
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expanses of time.
But even still, you know, they
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have only so much to work with
and the genetics is just coming
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along, you know, in more recent
years.
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And it's virtually impossible
for them to be postulating the
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type of stories that are in the
Urantia book that explain why
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we've got genetic markers from
200,000 years ago related to the
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Lucifer rebellion in creating
the Nodites and then the
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Adamites 150,000 years later.
It's it, you know, it's a pretty
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strange story, except that it
fits the facts so well.
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But, you know, from a purely
scientific perspective, I mean,
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they can't even determine, you
know, correlation between brain
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size and being human, right?
Because you can't really tell
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how well a brain is working just
because you know how big it is.
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Was it a beautiful country?
Pretty country?
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Did you get a chance to go out
into the country and take a look
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at some of the ruins or?
No, I didn't have a chance to
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get outside the city much.
I did on one occasion go see a
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archaeological site at the edge
of the city or just outside the
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city, and that's as Ferrari as I
got outside the city.
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There is a lot of left to be
desired there.
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I I thought there was going to
be better English among the
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people doing business in the
shops and things like that.
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The the biggest cultural
challenge is that Russians will
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speak English in an effort to
hide being Russian.
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And everyone knows this.
So if I start speaking in
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English and forget to say I'm
from America, I can get some
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negative energy.
And I didn't realize that at
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first.
But the political tensions in
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Georgia are very real.
The younger people, you know,
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are going to have their
interests.
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The Russian tourists coming into
Georgia want to enjoy American
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chic clothing and jewelry and
perfumes and things like that.
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You'll see in, you know, the big
mall in, in downtown Tibilisi.
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It's amazing how Western, you
know, the the stores are.
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You get further out of the city,
of course, and things get more
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traditional and, and it's a
small country.
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So all of this is mixed together
in a relatively small
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population.
But unavoidably, because there's
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always going to be differences
between the city mouse and the
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country mouse, between the young
and the old, you know, you'll
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have political differences.
So all of these basic human
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elements are are functioning in
Georgia, but the population is
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just so small and its place in
world politics is so peculiar.
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It's just got a lot of cross
current going on very heavily
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all at once.
OK, so that's my conversation
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with Albert Katzen, just back
from Georgia where he went on a
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trip to promote the ranch book
to some friends and a community
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there.
And what a great trip.
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What great effort too.
And also follow him on Sub Stack
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as I mentioned, he's always got
something cooking.
