Discovering Jesus - Up Close with the team at CFU

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And welcome to another edition
of the Urancha Radio Podcast.

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I'm very excited about this
interview that we had with

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Gabriel Reinberg and his team at
the Center for Unity project

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that has been going under way
now for about 2 1/2 years.

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They've been working on various
projects that involve bringing

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the narrative of the life and
teachings of Jesus to life

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through various platforms and
media.

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So we'll talk to some of the
team members involved in the

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projects and where they're at
with all of this, plus ways that

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you can participate.
That's what's up next on the

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Urantia Radio Podcast.
Welcome to another edition of

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the Urantia Radio Podcast.
I'm Jim Watkins, your host.

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I want to talk about that on
October 12th, 1955, into the

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hands of humanity came a four
part book designated as a new

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Revelation of Truth.
It came from our unseen friends

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in the spirit world, and the
Urantia Book has resulted in the

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formation of thousands of study
groups, hundreds of social

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groups who share a common belief
that we have been provided with

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a new revelation of spiritual
and historical truth.

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Coming on now, 70 years, 2
generations since the book

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became publicly available, and
without any mass promotion or

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slick marketing, millions of
people have found The Urantia

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Book.
So why bring all of this up?

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Well, because now we get to hear
from a group of people who are

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taking The Urantia Book to a new
level of experience.

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It's a group called the Center
for Unity, and it's comprised of

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people from at least four
continents, if I'm counting

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them.
And from all walks of life who

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have come together for a common
cause to do something to help

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the Urantia Book reach even more
people.

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Gabriel Reinberg is the head of
CFU, and this November they will

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be making available the Discover
Jesus app, an online immersive

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chronicle of the life and
teachings of Christ, the 4th

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part of the Urantia Book, which
details the life and teachings

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of Jesus.
So let's meet the crew.

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Gabriel is also dealing with a
major war in Israel at this

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moment, which is amazing because
while we're talking about this

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globally important project a
mere miles away, people are

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engaged in a bloody battle.
So let's begin.

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How are you doing, Gabriel?
Thank you Jim for this interview

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and also for caring.
It's very challenging in Israel.

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We are taking it one day at a
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This is a very significant event
and everybody's touched by it in

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one way or another.
And I also fear that the entire

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world is touched by this event
in one way or another.

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So keep us in your prayers.
Send prayers for everybody.

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There's no sides.
There's a lot of humans

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suffering, a lot of humans in
pain and loss and.

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There's there's basically lose
lose everywhere and I just pray

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that my personal prayer is that
1000 times more good comes out

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of this and I'm optimistic that
this will happen maybe will take

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a long time but that's that's we
can we can wish and pray for

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that so.
Every time I ask myself what

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should I be doing with my time,
I come back to the same answer.

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Double down on telling people
that there are children of 1

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divine parent and they are all
brothers and sisters even and

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especially when it's very hard
to comprehend how humans treat

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each other there's pain and
suffering for everybody involved

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And so I just double down and I
one day at a time I I do what I

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can and.
I'm I'm grateful that I have

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this opportunity to continue
working an amazing, amazing

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team.
Why don't you introduce the team

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who do we have joining us today
on the program?

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So Mike is our project manager
for the Discover Jesus app.

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Santiago and Lisa are executive
team members of the CFU, the

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Center for Unity.
Lisa is in charge of fundraising

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and marketing.
Santiago is in charge of

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cinematic.
And marketing and we're

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basically doing a lot of.
Things, all of us.

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Gary is the artistic director
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see is by his hands.
Lisa Tao, his wife, is the UIUX.

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Lead.
We have a large team of.

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Writers, editors Gary also
paints all the pictures.

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Azure is our lead software
developer is basically

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responsible for implementing the
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It's quite complicated.
This software is is not trivial

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and he's one of the best.
He's got 40 years of experience

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and over time we have you know
I'm I'm just now for the launch

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preparing little party and I
wrote down everybody who.

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Was part of this team over the
last 2 1/2 years.

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And it's almost 30 people, 30.
So there's a lot of people who

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contributed, and by my estimate
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Thousands of hours of work,
mostly volunteer work.

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This is a significant project.
The Center for Unity has a

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couple of different projects.
The chief one that we're going

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to talk about is Discover Jesus
I think scheduled to be launched

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worldwide on the 15th of
November.

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Is that right, Mike?
How, how are things going?

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Is it going to happen and are?
You ready for the world to

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embrace it?
What's the process to launching

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this thing and then we'll delve
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Well, it's yeah, I mean to your
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our intent to have it launched
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November 15th and we're readying
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happen.
It is not to say that it, it is

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the complete and finished and
final product.

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It is a work in progress and as
much as we continue to write.

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To other portions of part four
of your entry book.

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So there there's a sufficient
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that we felt comfortable to
release publicly what is

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available now as we continue to
work and develop more content,

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more images and and release
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So, you know, we're probably.
These are rough estimates.

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You know probably about 1/4 of
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optimistically to how much
content it will have ultimately

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by the time it's all done.
But we'll have in excess of 100

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images and articles on people
and events and topics and

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objects and groups and other
segments that we curate from

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Part 4, the book.
There's a lot of development

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work.
There's a lot of behind the

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scenes things that that Gabriel
can probably expand on more that

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that go into our planning to to
launch and it can be added to.

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So this isn't like a finished
product that you just mentioned.

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You're a third of the way
through, which means you know

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what the what ultimately it's
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done.
And for those who have not

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experienced it, it will blow you
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So I have to assume there are
people that don't know about the

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Urantia book that listen to the
podcast, they discover it.

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So I want to be as clear with
them as the seasoned.

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So imagine you have 700 pages of
Jesus's life that's narrated

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like a true biography.
What these people are doing is

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they're bringing this together
in a format that allows you to

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cross reference all of the
details that are contained in

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this 700 page text.
So all of the people that are in

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Jesus's life, where he visited,
what day he visited, what

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happened, how is this person
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And it's all done in a very easy
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It's unbelievable.
I think this will change the way

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that people look at Jesus's life
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interconnectedness of all these
seemingly incongruent points.

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And yet they're all related.
And it shows the majestic way in

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which he connected everybody,
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He planted the seed so that when
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Rome, that the teachings would
be more receptive, you know, and

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that's that kind of planning
that can only come from a

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creator's son who had unlimited
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But it's it's it's laid out.
So how did this add to your

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appreciation?
And feel free.

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Anybody can jump in on that
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Well, I'll say first that.
To your point about the

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interconnectedness of the of the
parts of the book and the story,

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it's it's amazing when you part
of my job in in editing and

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doing technical editing for the
app was to find all the

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connections between people and
offense and people in groups and

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topics and dates and.
So you know, finding how much it

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interconnects to itself in terms
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about who was involved and what
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and when it happened is is
really fascinating.

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It really brought the text to
life for me and to really

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appreciate the complexities and
then in the narrative and the

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story.
And so it was a great learning

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tool.
I would have done it.

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You know, even if we weren't
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have been a.
A valuable experience for me to

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to interconnect all of those
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Mike didn't reference this, but
he's also doing like the bulk of

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the editing of the people that
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And so they're taking the
person, they're taking the

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event, they're taking the topic,
they're taking the place, and

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they are using the Urancho book
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But they are writing it in
language that is.

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Accessible and easy to
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And then Mike edits that and he
I had such writer's block doing

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the death of Joseph that it's
not a huge event as far as the

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number of words that you need to
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But I just, it was so impactful
in the life of Jesus that I

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would get emotional just
thinking about it.

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So Mike was like just do it,
just dive in and then we'll edit

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it and in doing it.
I think it.

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I'd read it several times, but
in writing it in words that

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other people would be able to
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It made me feel it more deeply.
It made me appreciate the fact

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that he didn't get to be there
and the family grieved so much

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that they didn't get to have
that final blessing from Joseph

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and.
Mike was just a dream to work

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with and edited it and was
encouraging along the way.

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And I know that that takes an
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team as well.
This is Santiago.

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Yeah, I just wanted to add, I
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we live in, with so much
communications and the way that

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we process information nowadays,
it's very important to have.

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This app, this, I mean, we're in
a world not only really and

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technically advanced, but very
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mean, and now it's a time where
people understand and and

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research and learn by
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So to have the story of Jesus as
portrayed in the Erancha book,

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which I think for all of us was
really a life.

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Changer you know from.
Knowing that the traditional

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gospels to this expanded version
of of his life and teachings,

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but to be able now to process it
in an individual way through the

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technologies that we have.
Mean we're bringing Jesus closer

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to.
Not only young people, but

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anybody that wants to learn more
about him and that wants to take

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out the teachings that he
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So I think it's crucial for for
our time to have something that

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is in the language and in the in
the way that people now

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experience.
Learning.

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Yeah.
It's kind of like having, you

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know how Wikipedia is
structured, where you're reading

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something on any subject and
you've got links that cross

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reference.
Well, this is like that, but on

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steroids.
And a gentleman who's just

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joined us is Gary Tong who's
artistic contribution.

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It's good to see you and we'll
get to you.

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And I want to talk about the AI
element of this because in in

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Mike Thompson's article, I think
you you delved into and it was

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Gabriel describing how he used,
Gary used AI when creating some

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of the imagery that Mike's
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That's going into the It's just
unbelievable.

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Words cannot describe.
When you're seeing pictures that

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depict the scene in which you're
reading about, it's

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unbelievable.
Now, I don't know about everyone

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else, but I was already a
believer in Jesus before I read

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the Urantia Book.
All the The Urantia Book just

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substantiated and enlarged that
connection above and beyond what

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I could have possibly have
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So as a Christian reading the
Arantia book, I didn't find the

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Arantia Book as a repudiation of
the Bible.

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But there are people who do we
have to imagine, you know, it's,

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you know, it is what it is.
So how is this book going to be

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received by the Christian
community, and what what

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experiences have you had so far
in showing this to your

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Christian friends?
I'll just say that I was born

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Jewish and until I was probably
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I knew almost nothing about
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I knew he was crucified.
I knew he was from Nazareth.

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It's it's the, it's the center
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And that's all I knew.
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being a life changer in
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and and most importantly for me
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Understanding that the seeds and
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for us are going to pave the
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humanity forward.
There's one quote in the Arancha

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book that really touches me very
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Midwayers who are Celestials who
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revelation, and they're still
here, they said that, and

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they're talking to us humans.
They said you've never really

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tried the experiment.
Of living what Jesus told you to

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do, which is treat each other
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love each other as neighbors,
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because you have a divine
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So there's two aspects each one
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loved by a divine parent.
And if you believe in something

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bigger than you and you say it's
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or some people call it God.
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this being is a parent and we
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be parents, but we all have
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that, your brothers and sisters,
and then leave that.

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What would this world look like
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relationships, in business, in
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theology, in every aspect of our
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That's the experiment that we
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will take many years to do.
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we're working on have a little
role in showing this in great

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detail to people who would like
to take on that experiment and

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letting them understand what is
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laying the foundation for our
path forward as humans and

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especially in this time, you
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I posted something online.
I didn't post much, but I posted

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something that was very
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with.
Jesus said love your enemies.

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And in this day, in this week in
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Israel, that teaching is the
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How on earth am I supposed to
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It's so difficult.
I can.

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I can understand a little bit.
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But, you know, love my enemies,
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what he said.
So of course I'm falling way,

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way, way, way short.
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And how will this word look like
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enemies a little bit more?
And I will say very clearly, I

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am completely not condoning any
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exhibited.
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that I'm part of or the the
recent part of this, so it has

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nothing to do with the the local
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It has everything to do with how
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to teach us.
So I hope that by by the things

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that we're doing, one more
person can understand for their

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own and they say.
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I'm really going.
I I am going to try.

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I'm going to do my best.
To meet another person and treat

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them as my brother or as my
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What does it really mean and how
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very, very hard?
I think that's the main main

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thing that I pray and hope that
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Lisa, you want to say something?
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Just going to say that I think
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that many people don't have that
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They think love means that
you're all just, oh, you're the

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best person in the world.
And that's not what you mean by

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talking about loving your
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It's not saying that whatever
they do is fine and that they

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can do whatever they want.
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very own family showed us what
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When Jude was very difficult and
his two of his other brothers

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were ready to boot him out of
the family, like he was just

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really.
Not falling in line.

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And he was an embarrassment and
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And Jesus talked to them and
said, hey, lead by example and

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show him the love in your own
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And he managed to help hold that
family together when two of them

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were ready to kick Jude out to
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So that's that's the kind of
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And hopefully it comes through
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Christian, if I had stumbled
upon this Discover app, my first

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question might not be, well, how
do they do all this?

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My first question might be, wow,
how did they.

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This is a different story than
I'm used to.

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You know, I'm not.
I'm not There's all this detail

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about this guy.
I just thought he walked on

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water and went around and handed
fish out to everybody, you know.

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And we all have to do this, you
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So do you think that this will
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Christian community?
Maybe that's a better question.

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Anybody thoughts?
And and the reason is, is

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because we're sort of there are
cousins, you know, in this, in

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this plan, we have to
acknowledge that we share a lot

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of the same similarities.
We're connected.

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They may not want to admit it,
but we know better.

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I I would love to address this
because when you mentioned that

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you were a Christian and so you
didn't find anything, you didn't

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discover Jesus through the
Urantia book.

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It just enhanced your knowledge
of who Jesus was.

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I was raised Christian,
conservative, fundamentalist.

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I was a pastor's daughter, knew
the Bible very well, and I had

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gone through a bit of and
evolution in my own journey to

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the place where I called myself
a Christo Buddhist, that Jesus

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was my teacher.
But I did not align myself with

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Christianity as a religion.
And when I discovered the

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Urancha Book, part of the many,
many tears that I shed was that

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it gave me back Jesus as my
sovereign, as my creator son,

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as, as a beloved son of God who
created this universe.

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And that I think that there are
many people who have stopped

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calling themselves Christian or
identifying as religious

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Christians who say they are
religious but not Christian, who

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this would appeal to.
And it definitely appealed to

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me.
Good point Mike, or?

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Gary or Santiago?
Just wanted to add to that I was

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I was raised Catholic and I
think this is a story that all

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the persons here in this.
Call.

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I've heard it along.
Many times.

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But I became sort of
disenfranchised with the

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Catholic Church because a lot of
the things didn't make sense,

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you know, I mean, especially
what I mentioned is the Trinity.

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When they explained it to me, it
was like, OK, there's one God,

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three people, and I'm like, what
do you mean there's three gods?

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No, no, no, it's one God, three
people.

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I don't get it.
And they would just brush it up

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and say, well, that's the the
mystery of the Holy Trinity,

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you're not supposed to get it.
And I just took that when I was

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younger, you know.
But then I grew up, started

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questioning a lot of the the,
the fundamental teachings about

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Christianity such as the
atonement.

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And I didn't really, not that I
didn't understand, but didn't

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really bought into that.
And then I rediscovered and I

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went through a similar path as
Lisa and I just studied the, you

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know, the Eastern religions and
kind of enhanced my spirituality

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and then rediscovered Jesus
through the The Rancher book and

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fell back in love to what he is.
And you know what he did, who he

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is and finally got my answers
explained.

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So I think if you just take the
whole Christianity and bunch

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them all together, of course.
It's not, they're not all the

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same colors, you know.
There's people that might be too

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attached to their beliefs and
this is going to cause some, you

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know, discrepancies or push
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But other people that are not,
you know, they, they believe in

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Jesus but really don't
understand a lot of the

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concepts.
But about the Church, the dogmas

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and everything, this will take
all that away.

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This will, like it did too too
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Clean the slate, you know and
and and approach Jesus without

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all those all that baggage that
you sometimes have when you're

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you're in an institutionalized
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And something you said earlier,
Santiago, is nowadays everybody,

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they're, they're getting
information on a more personal,

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individual level.
So this Jesus discovered,

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discovered Jesus app allowed it.
It makes that possible.

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Gary, I want to bring you in.
You're the artist here and

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you've contributed so much.
And I'm not the first one to

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tell you this, but I really have
appreciated what you've been

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doing.
Now you're involved in this a

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lot of projects and you're using
AI and everybody's kind of

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nervous about AI.
So tell us how you integrate AI

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into providing the illustrations
that are in this app.

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Well, I first was reading about
AII was I was a little bit

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concerned about it because the
way it infringed on what is

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effectively copyright.
But when I read a bit more about

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it I I came to an ethical
position that if you're not

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trying to earn profit from using
it then I think it's OK to use

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it.
And that is most pivotal to me

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in choosing to use it to create
the work for I'm a sent to be

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Unity to discover Jesus app and
to talk around AIA little bit,

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you know?
AI is never going to have mind.

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You can add a label to whatever
you want, but it's you know AI

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is is something that's
extraordinarily good at doing

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automation or or when it comes
to visualization, compositing

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billions of images together to
find something that approximates

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what you might need.
And so I so my position on AI is

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it can be a very powerful tool
when it comes to creating art.

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But it's only really powerful in
the hands of an artist.

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You need to know what you're
trying to do with it.

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You could anybody could use it.
And you can type a bunch of

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prompts and then you can get
some results and there's results

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then varying in quality.
And sometimes you'll get

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something that's wonderful.
Sometimes you'll get something

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that doesn't make much sense.
Sometimes you might get

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something that's pretty funny.
But as an artist tool when I use

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it.
When I use it for the Discover

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Cheetah that.
I use it with the mind of

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getting something that's
somewhat of an approximation and

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then I I paint over that and I
oh, I add to it.

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Or I may be more rendered 2 AI
images and then use some of my

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own work and then mix them all
together to get the the final

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result.
So I treat it like a tool, but

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what what?
What it Where?

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It's really important for me on
this app is we would not be able

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to create the body of art.
Without the buttressing of AI,

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and if it wasn't for the
scaffolding that AI gave them

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some of it.
Sometimes it's much more than

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scaffolding.
They I wouldn't be able to make

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as many images, it would be
floundering and like a tenth of

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the images that we have
currently.

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It gives you the image working
image and then you add to that

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by layering it with different
kinds of coloring and shades and

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things of that nature.
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So sometimes yes there's a lot
of that sometimes there's a

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little bit left of that.
I know also you cultivate the

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way to prompt it so it's it's
it's kind of obfuscating what

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the result will be.
Sometimes you have to you high

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thread my prompt in a way that
you kind of unusual to get the

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result.
You can't just tell it something

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in plain English.
I'll give you drop T your lunch

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book quote about Jesus and
Joseph into it.

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It wouldn't know.
It comes back with something

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abstract didn't know.
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So it's kind of like triggering
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I try.
I try and sympathize the

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algorithm.
I guess Mr. Anthropomorphic

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dichotomies not.
But I I try and sympathize with

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it and try and imagine what what
I'd like to get it to look at

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when I'm when I'm pointing its
data, it's algorithmic data and

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and so I get better results.
Although it isn't, it certainly

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isn't.
Super fast.

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Like I was working on an image
and I can't remember which one

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it was for.
Discovered Jesus a couple of

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days ago and it took me 3 hours
to get the the end end prompt

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results.
Sometimes they're fast,

452
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,560
sometimes they're not.
Sometimes they require multiple

453
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
passes, sometimes you're
fiddling around with it and I

454
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,960
talk to other people who do
that.

455
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,800
They use it the same way, you
know.

456
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,800
It's also, I see it as a viable
tool as somebody who used to be

457
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,160
a concept artist and a concept
art director.

458
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,880
It would be a really viable
tool.

459
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,240
Now it definitely is
transforming how people might

460
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840
start their creative process or
use their creative process, but

461
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560
definitively does not take the
artist away.

462
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,600
I think a lot of people thought
it would, but it doesn't.

463
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
But but it but it is.
It is something that's actually

464
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,720
turned into.
I've gone from being really

465
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,320
reluctant to use it to being to
believing that I don't think

466
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,600
we'd be able to do this without
it.

467
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,640
I'm kind of thankful for that
because I I think we discover

468
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,240
Genius really requires some
illustration, not just data

469
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920
rich, it does.
It needs to be a media rich

470
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,360
experience as well.
Otherwise it just it's just too

471
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,520
much to read without anything to
sort of.

472
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,160
I think I've seen like two or
three images and and from what I

473
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,640
can see they really capture the
essence and the mood of what

474
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320
you're reading and that enhances
the experience.

475
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,160
Of taking this information in.
You could say that my

476
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560
understanding of The Urantia
Book and Part 4, The Urantia

477
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,680
Book helps too.
So I'm being an artist and a

478
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,400
revelation student with
utilizing AI.

479
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,360
So it because I read you the
lines of it.

480
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,200
I'm like, what?
What is, what am I emotively

481
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040
feeling when I read that and
then I'll cultivate that prompt

482
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,680
and what I'm trying to get from
that so.

483
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240
You you you integrate music and
the artistry and imagery real

484
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,400
well.
Are you also a musician?

485
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,840
No, I'm the person that does the
music on.

486
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,080
But our videos is called Jeremy
Daigle.

487
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,000
He's, I trust him implicitly.
He really knows what he's doing.

488
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Yeah.
And there's a symbiosis the way

489
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,080
that we work together.
And yeah, he he really gets what

490
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,080
I'm doing.
And it's funny, I don't want to

491
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,920
go.
I will go off on a tangent too

492
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,160
much.
But when we're making these

493
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080
videos, because I'm just giving
myself to try and make the best

494
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,160
possible revelatory secondary
works as I can.

495
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,880
I'll make like sections of
effects or or diagrams or

496
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
whatever else I'm doing and I'll
just guess that how long they

497
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,840
need to be.
When I start slotting them into

498
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640
the edit, they end almost always
end up being exactly the length

499
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240
I need them to be and the music
ends up synchronizing as well.

500
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,800
So I I honestly feel a lot of
the time I'm kind of to the side

501
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,200
of whatever's going on and it's
happening past me and I'm quite

502
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,880
happy to do that, you know?
I don't want credit for the

503
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,040
work.
I want the work to make a

504
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,520
positive impact.
Well, that Jeremy with this

505
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,320
whole thing.
Without Jeremy I would be lost

506
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,760
though.
And the thing that goes with

507
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,720
Andre related to not here but
like he, he works on this

508
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,840
project too.
But Andre voices a lot of the

509
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,280
videos, or Paula Thompson does
without these people I

510
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,920
collaborate with, just like and.
This.

511
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,280
Group here.
The end result would be

512
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,640
significantly less good, I
believe, wholeheartedly and the

513
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,440
teamwork that the arrangement
book speaks about.

514
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,600
OK, so we have this project.
The app comes out November 15th.

515
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,480
It's free.
More accurately, a web app or a

516
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,960
web application.
Now there's there's a few

517
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,760
reasons why, but the main reason
became evident way after we

518
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,400
so-called took this decision.
And if you imagine all the text

519
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,680
of that we're writing, and of
course all the paintings are

520
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,800
going to be scraped by the
Google algorithm, by the Bing

521
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,040
algorithm, and.
By any present and future

522
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,800
companies that are looking for
information to train their the

523
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,160
future large language models.
So what we're writing is going

524
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,320
to go in many, many places that
we don't even know.

525
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,280
If it was all inside an app then
that would not be possible.

526
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,080
I see.
I I will say that this version

527
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,240
is optimized for a large screen,
so a desktop computer or maybe

528
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,320
an iPad.
But we are working in parallel

529
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,600
on a version that would look
great, and we'll have the same

530
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,120
exact information, but arranged
differently on the screen for

531
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
smaller formats.
How are the donations?

532
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,640
Let's talk about that a little
bit.

533
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360
The work, obviously this is an
important project.

534
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,520
What's the reception?
Are you are you getting people?

535
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800
I'm hoping people listen to this
program will help because that's

536
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,640
it's an important project.
I'm so glad you asked.

537
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,520
We have a very exciting
opportunity right now.

538
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Donations have been fairly
steady but slow.

539
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,240
I think to date we have around
170 a 180 donors that have

540
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:19,760
gotten us this far, but we have
a very exciting opportunity.

541
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:25,800
An anonymous donor made a
$100,000 matching fund donation

542
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,640
to us and they said between now
and December 31st, whatever is

543
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,840
donated to the Center for Unity,
they will match up to $100,000.

544
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,000
And we that started the first
week in September and we are now

545
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,560
about $50,000 into that and we
really want to be able to access

546
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440
all of those matching funds
before the end of the year.

547
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,240
So we're really putting out a
push and we've created what is

548
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,440
called a peer-to-peer campaign
because this is really bigger

549
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
than what any one of us can do
by ourselves.

550
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,000
And like the Urancha book tells
us that if you know 10 people,

551
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,120
if they're all just trying to
lift on their own, can do about

552
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,160
the same as one person lifting
on their own.

553
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,560
But if we all join together and
lift at the same time, we can

554
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,760
get it forward.
So we're really looking for

555
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920
people to help us climb this
mountain and get the word out.

556
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,120
And with this peer-to-peer
campaign, and they can go to the

557
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,160
fundraising page, make their own
fundraiser on behalf of it, have

558
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,680
a unique URL to share.
And if they could find two 3-4

559
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,800
people that we wouldn't be able
to reach, that they could find

560
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,760
who would be willing to donate
to us, that would be

561
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,600
astonishing.
And the really cool thing is

562
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,360
that monthly donations are so
important to us because it helps

563
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440
give us a sustaining base that
we know monthly how much we're

564
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,240
getting in.
And when we have, you know,

565
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,400
someone who's helping with the
software that we need to pay, we

566
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600
need to be able to pay our
bills, and we don't want to

567
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,159
commit to paying someone if we
don't know what money's coming

568
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,920
in.
If someone makes a commitment of

569
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,280
I'm going to give $25.00 a
month, the matching fund will

570
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,920
pay 12 months of that upfront.
So if I say I'm going to give

571
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,400
25, the matching fund says OK,
here's $300.

572
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,360
I'm I'm listening to this.
Where do I go to donate and find

573
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,679
out more about this particular
project?

574
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,440
Would that be if you?
If you go to the Center for

575
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Unity website, there is a bar at
the top of the website that says

576
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,159
join the challenge and if you
click on that, it'll take you to

577
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,639
the page where you can then
Scroll down just below.

578
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,560
If if you don't want to do that
and you want to donate, that's

579
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,800
lovely, we'll take that too.
But if you Scroll down and say I

580
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,560
want to fundraise for this,
it'll walk you through.

581
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,040
It takes 2 minutes to set it up
and then you have a unique link

582
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,640
that you can e-mail to your
friends or share on on social

583
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,040
media and say could you help us?
OK, there's other projects you

584
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,080
guys are working on that are
exciting as well.

585
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,880
The Jesus experience.
The cinematic Jesus.

586
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520
The Ask Jesus chat box.
So how are all of these other

587
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
projects now?
Everything is moving along in

588
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,240
parallel because we have
different teams working on

589
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,320
different things.
So Santiago here is working on

590
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,440
the cinematic I'm working on, on
the Ask Jesus you met before.

591
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,640
They're not here today, but
you've met Rick and Steven.

592
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,360
They're part of the Experience
Project.

593
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,800
So just to recap very quickly,
we've launched.

594
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,880
The recent version of the Ask
Jesus chat bot has in its memory

595
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,920
the entire Urancha book encoded
in chat bot memory.

596
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,800
It's different than every chat
bot that was trained on the

597
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,480
Internet probably read the
Urancha book.

598
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,720
This is different because we
took each paragraph and

599
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,040
specifically encoded it in a way
that the chat bot can access,

600
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,000
and with each question that you
ask it, it's going first to this

601
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,400
memory of the Urancha book.
And he's getting the relevant

602
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,560
paragraphs before it makes the
before it formulates an answer

603
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,200
for you.
How long did that take?

604
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,760
That must have taken five years.
That was a.

605
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,720
That was a.
One month, one month worth of

606
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,680
work.
That's a million, a million

607
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,520
words, right?
Isn't Somebody told me once

608
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,360
there's a million words in the
Erancha book.

609
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,200
He was doing it hours and hours
a day, and he had a huge smile

610
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,680
on his face every time I'd see
him.

611
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,000
And he'd say this is just like
fun for me.

612
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,680
I've been doing it for four
hours.

613
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,280
I'd be like, OK, I'm glad it's
fun for you.

614
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160
I I have to say that I'm super
excited because there's three

615
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,640
young, young like in not at
they're millennials, but they're

616
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160
young millennials and or maybe
even Gen.

617
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,320
ZS.
So there's two of them that are

618
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,960
in their 20s and one that is in
his 30s and and I've been

619
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,160
chatting with them on your
venture forms.

620
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,600
And they, all three of them have
are joined this team.

621
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,200
So now I have we're four and
they're going to crank up future

622
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,800
versions, all of us together of
this chat bot.

623
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,280
So there's so many other things
we can do to make it a real tool

624
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,040
for your run ship book students
to study the revelation.

625
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,800
It's really like nothing else,
you know it complements

626
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
everything else.
It's it's much more than a

627
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,040
search engine because you can
have a conversation.

628
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:40,080
So you can imagine this is like
talking to a very, very advanced

629
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,320
you run your book student who
knows everything by heart, the

630
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,880
entire book by heart and also
understands the concept of

631
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,960
course not the same way a human
would, but in a different way,

632
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040
but still can converse with you.
So and this technology is

633
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,280
continually being updated.
So we're going to be.

634
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,080
We've been working on this.
How do I get my hands on this?

635
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,320
This is amazing.
It's on our website.

636
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,200
It is.
OK.

637
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,040
It's like a resource really.
You can if you're writing a

638
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
paper or if you instead of cuz
like today.

639
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840
I went and tried to find a
passage and I looked through 300

640
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,760
paragraphs.
This I could just ask it right

641
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,200
and it'll just tell me the
answer.

642
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,200
Yeah, we're working so that the
next version will give you

643
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,640
references to the Arancia book
and hopefully accurate ones.

644
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,360
It's not that easy.
But there's we have future

645
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,320
versions that we that were are
going to make it even more

646
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,280
useful than it is today.
Today it's doing very well with

647
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,680
concepts and ideas and less well
with facts.

648
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,840
So if you ask it, tell me about.
How many planets are in this

649
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,760
section of the minor sector?
He might not get it right

650
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,200
because the way it's encoded the
information, he doesn't really

651
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,000
have access to specific numbers.
But with the new version, we're

652
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,840
going to be combining a search
engine with a chat bot.

653
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,040
And so that you can get both at
at one sitting.

654
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,160
I do want to say before I give
the the floor to Santiago to

655
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,080
explain what we're doing in
cinematic.

656
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,800
The Jesus Experience Project has
finished the the conceptual

657
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Design.
A preliminary conceptual design.

658
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,120
We produce a beautiful,
beautiful donors kit and a

659
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,720
video, and we're now forming a
steering committee of prominent

660
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:36,160
and leading names in the world
of Jesus and his story.

661
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,360
They're not your ranchobook
students.

662
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,560
All of them are going to be not
your Ranchobook students.

663
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,240
And this body will steer the
production of the content in a

664
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,440
way that really caters to
everybody.

665
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,760
And so this is really a unique
proposition.

666
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,920
Of course, we believe that the
arrangement is a revelation, but

667
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,240
like you said, many people
around the world still don't

668
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,600
know it and we still want to
talk to them.

669
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,760
So we're making an effort with
this steering committee to

670
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,720
attract people who are very
knowledgeable about the

671
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,720
historical Jesus.
About Christianity, but

672
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:17,080
archaeology of the Galilee,
about what happened on this

673
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,640
planet, because Jesus was here
during the last 2000 years and

674
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,200
this is a multidisciplinary
work.

675
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,360
So I think it's a narrative like
no other.

676
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,440
And I don't think anybody
attempted to tell that story in

677
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,960
that many details of not only
what happened 2000 years ago,

678
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,600
but what happened since because
of the ideas of Jesus of

679
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Nazareth.
So he's now taking the next step

680
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,040
and I'm going to yield.
I.

681
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Was just going to.
I was just going to insert

682
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,520
really, really quick that one of
the recent developments of the

683
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Jesus experience has been the
addition of the idea that we

684
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:04,000
want to capture people's
experience of Jesus from around

685
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,760
the world to be able to share
there and online.

686
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,960
And people can record in video
or audio format their experience

687
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,920
of Jesus so that we can share
what we're calling my Jesus

688
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,440
experience.
And we got our first submission,

689
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,920
audio submission of that and I
listened to it and I was weeping

690
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,280
at the end.
So it is it will be a way that

691
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,240
all of us can experience it,
even without going to the Sea of

692
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,080
Galilee.
Before I get to Santiago,

693
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,640
because I want to spend a little
time on the cinematic Jesus, are

694
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,280
you guys thinking maybe you
could take what you've done with

695
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,200
the 4th part of the book and do
it for the third part, the 2nd

696
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,600
and the 1st?
Or is that even feasible?

697
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,520
It's completely feasible but
it's such a large project that

698
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,840
we will have to have to attract
larger group of people like.

699
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,200
You'd need about $1,000,000 to
do that, wouldn't you?

700
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,160
We can use the same technology
that we've already developed.

701
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:09,160
It's it's writing and it's it's
creating this web of it's a

702
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,720
graph basically that takes
thousands and thousands of

703
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,360
hours.
I I'm hoping and I'm already

704
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,360
trying different things that
large language models can help

705
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,520
us because like I said it's like
a very intelligent different

706
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:30,240
type of intelligence Human sorry
non human who understands the

707
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,440
Rancho book in its own way and
we can ask it to help us

708
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,800
generate the the information.
When we started doing this for

709
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,800
part 4, this technology was
existing but nobody knew about

710
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,440
it.
Only very, very few people were

711
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,240
working with it and we have to
remember it's it's really been

712
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,280
out for a year and we've been
working on this project for 2

713
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,080
1/2 years.
So.

714
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,280
But now I think it it is
possible to use this technology

715
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,680
to speed up the process of
generating the information and

716
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,600
perhaps also writing accessible
essays that basically are

717
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,240
secondary works.
I think it's it's going to be

718
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,800
much easier still there's going
to be humans and I think long

719
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,600
term Uranjeburg students that
are going to steer this project

720
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,240
and make sure that everything is
really of high quality.

721
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,960
And and when those large
language models don't get it

722
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,040
right there's a human there to
correct it because we still need

723
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,520
it.
Just like Gary basically takes

724
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,640
that as a tool we can use that
as a tool but I haven't started

725
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,120
thinking about that.
I I hope that if somebody is

726
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,800
listening to the this podcast
and gets excited and goes to a

727
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,360
website and see sees what we did
for part four and they approach

728
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,080
us, then we can start thinking
about parts 1-2 and three which

729
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,720
I think is is really.
Something we should do?

730
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,920
And there is a place on the
website where people can let us

731
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,720
know if they want to volunteer,
OK?

732
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,280
What about now?
You weren't on the call earlier,

733
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,640
Santiago, but we were talking
about George Lucas and that you

734
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,280
had read that he did in fact
read the Urantia Book and that

735
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,320
did had some influence on Star
Wars.

736
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Do you know anything about that?
Oh, well, I don't know exactly

737
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,480
about that, but I am a Star Wars
fan.

738
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,440
My my son is called Luke and my
daughter, one of my daughter's

739
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,040
is called Leia.
So it's always something that I

740
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,560
when somebody tells me I'm a big
Star Wars fan, I I tell my kids

741
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
names and they beat that.
So.

742
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,280
But I do know that he studied,
he was a a student of Joseph

743
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Campbell.
And I think Joseph Campbell

744
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,160
really took the, the, the
mythical story.

745
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:52,120
Which is I think more important
than in many, many cases,

746
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,680
religion, because that really
molds us and gives us a purpose

747
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,720
in life if we don't have a
mythical story of ourselves and

748
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,240
how we identify within our
universe.

749
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080
I mean, there's no, there's no
point to it.

750
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,120
So I'm a I'm a real fan of Star
Wars and all the mythical

751
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,840
stories, and I mean diving into
into what we're the project that

752
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,160
we're we're.
Headed in which I'm I'm working

753
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,680
hand in hand with Stephen Marble
who actually knows George Lucas

754
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,520
and has worked with him in in
some other projects.

755
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,480
We're developing something that
is putting context.

756
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,840
I mean, it's a huge project and
I think it's not just only what

757
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,800
feature film or streaming
series.

758
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,720
But what we started with is a
story that puts context of not

759
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:45,880
only the the the earthly
situation and where Jesus was

760
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,120
born into, but the galactic or
cosmic situation of our universe

761
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,680
with the the Lucifer rebellion
and what everything was

762
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,680
happening in the evolution of
our planet and our universe.

763
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,280
So we put that into context and
I always like to say this isn't

764
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,480
your your Jesus grandma.
I mean your grandma says Jesus

765
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,760
and and that we're telling the
same story of the Gospels, but

766
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,760
we're giving another context
where we can put him as a hero.

767
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,960
And I think that's very
important for for new

768
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,720
generations to see Jesus as this
hero that evolved from just the

769
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,440
the human aspect into the divine
aspect.

770
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,240
And that really is something
that is mentioned a lot in the

771
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,480
UN trip book that.
We not only need to see Jesus as

772
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,760
our divine creator but also as
our mortal brother that had to

773
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,600
struggle through the same trials
and tribulations that we we

774
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,800
struggle with and and then once
we create that that context and

775
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,920
we can bridge that and and show
people that Jesus is a hero and

776
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,000
that he's I mean that the first
hero I think and and or the OR

777
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,840
the top hero about this.
People can relate to it and can

778
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,080
understand him better than just
to see him as this so powerful

779
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,960
mighty all knowing person.
But that he had to go through a

780
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,040
lot of struggles.
And something that I always

781
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,240
think about is how did he accept
this fate, you know, and and to

782
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:15,200
be tortured and crucified and
and and deal with it in such a

783
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:21,840
graceful manner that is really,
you know, that just takes you

784
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,000
away, you know and and trying to
figure out.

785
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,440
How can you address your own
trials and tribulations in that

786
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,480
same manner?
So we're working on that story.

787
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,120
We're bringing in the story of
Mary and Joseph.

788
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:40,960
And like Selma always mention in
Joseph wasn't just the the

789
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,400
donkey handler, you know, he was
something very important in

790
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,520
Jesus life fundamentally and how
the the family relationship

791
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,240
developed is very important.
So if you don't have all that

792
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,120
context to understand Jesus.
It's going to be hard.

793
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,600
And I've often wondered how the
Urantia book stories, everything

794
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,320
from Adam and Eve could be
cinematic, what kind of impact

795
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,240
that would have.
I bring up Star Wars a lot

796
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,800
because to me that's the gateway
drug to The Urantia Book because

797
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,400
the premise, if you if you see
some of the early there's a film

798
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,120
clip you'll find it on YouTube
where George Lucas is describing

799
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,240
to his cast of directors and
producers and.

800
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Props, people and everything.
He's describing the Force and it

801
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,760
sounds like he's reading right
out of part one of the Urantia

802
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,080
book and and the drama that
continually plays itself out on

803
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,320
the Universal level as well as
the local level.

804
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,440
So.
So that's exciting.

805
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,560
So there's sound.
It's great the Center for Unity

806
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,960
is involved in these projects.
Are you going to be involved in

807
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,920
future projects that you're now
starting to think about and

808
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,160
formulate, or is this enough?
In the in the cup, you know

809
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,760
we're we're launching this, the
web app on November 15th and

810
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,720
we're going to send an
invitation to everybody to join

811
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,480
the party.
And I made a presentation and I

812
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:09,600
showed it to Sandra.
And the main, my main answer to

813
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,680
your question is only our father
knows.

814
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,920
It's full of surprises because
if I look back even six years,

815
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:23,080
none of this was in my head or
anybody's head, but it was there

816
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,960
potentially.
And then we as a team had to

817
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,400
walk, you know, it's like a
yellow brick road.

818
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,640
And when we do the action and
you know, Gary and I spent

819
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,480
hundreds of hours talking 2 and
2 1/2 and three years ago where

820
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,320
there was nothing, we're just
talking and brainstorming.

821
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,760
And and he said there's always a
confluence of things happening

822
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,200
and it's divinely time.
And so things arrive, people

823
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:57,800
arrive, resources arrive, time
and treasure when we're ready

824
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:03,200
and I know that this team and
the people who will join us down

825
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,600
the road, we can do beautiful
things for this revelation.

826
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,080
And you know, one of the things
that you said is, is looking at

827
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,400
the entire Rancho Book, we have
one more project that we started

828
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,120
to work on, which we call the
shared journeys platform, which

829
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:27,880
is basically a framework for
sharing spiritual journeys with

830
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,040
other people.
And this is way bigger than the

831
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Rancho Book community because,
you know, I'm looking at myself.

832
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,920
15 years ago, in the beginning
of my spiritual journey, I had

833
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,240
nobody to talk to my father and
and my mother was already

834
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,120
graduate.
My father thought I was crazy.

835
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,560
My brother thought I was crazy.
My wife at the time thought I

836
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
was crazy.
None of my friends understood

837
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,240
the things that I was going
through.

838
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,360
And when I started working with
people who were understanding

839
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,560
that there is a spiritual
dimension and they were telling

840
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,560
me things that I did not
understand and I tried so many

841
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:09,720
things in my journey, I was
dreaming of a place where people

842
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:13,920
who are in a spiritual journey
can come together and share and

843
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,240
benefit from each other's
understandings.

844
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,240
And this is non denominational,
it's not necessarily about the

845
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,120
Urantia book.
Urantia book is just one one

846
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,320
aspect or one source of
spiritual teachings.

847
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,360
And we understand and and the
numbers show that the younger

848
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,560
generations of today self
identified as spiritual but not

849
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,520
religious or nothing.
But they're still yearning the

850
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,760
nuns.
They're still yearning the John

851
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Templeton Foundation's recently
awarded $2.2 million to study

852
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,480
this phenomenon of what they
call the spiritual yearners and

853
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,360
what they need.
So they're thinking this is

854
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,680
important to study.
And you know, this is what this

855
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,840
is the context of.
We would like to set up a a, a

856
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,560
place, a safe place where
anybody who's on a spiritual

857
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,520
journey can come and share.
And and so the chat bot, the

858
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,680
Discover Jesus app and other
things that Santiago and Lisa

859
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,640
and I are working on with other
people are going to be elements

860
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,720
of this grand vision.
And even this vision is four

861
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,800
months old because before that
we couldn't see it, so we were

862
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,080
doing deal things.
And now will the sudden the

863
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,400
father gives us a bigger
picture.

864
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:39,760
And so I know that I am
personally devoted to this

865
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:45,200
ministry until I draw my last
breath, wherever that might be.

866
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,800
And I don't know.
So this is what I'm going to be

867
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,520
doing for the rest of my life
and I'm sure somebody will put

868
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:58,160
ideas, bring people and time and
treasure so that we can do more.

869
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,360
And, you know, I think we're
just getting started.

870
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,280
And.
It's exciting.

871
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Well, listen, I wanted to say
one thing to Gary.

872
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,840
We all want you.
You've been to the Vegas ball

873
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,600
yet?
Have you seen the giant Las

874
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Vegas?
Have you seen it?

875
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,080
I've.
Have you gone?

876
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,760
And I've I've seen it, it looks
pretty impressive.

877
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,960
We want, we want you to create
the visual of of Havona and

878
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,920
Nebadon and the whole thing, and
we want you to take it over to

879
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080
them.
And we'll introduce the world to

880
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,920
the Arrancha book through the
visions of your work.

881
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,440
How's that sound?
Can you do that?

882
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,400
That sounds that sounds fun, but
you know, it's the first work I

883
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,080
did for the Arrancha book back
in 2001 was painting 4

884
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,720
illustrations.
One of them is known.

885
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,320
It's just used by everyone all
over the planet.

886
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,960
Unwittingly, but ironically.
I wish I'll show you.

887
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,080
I'll show you in a second.
But anyway, I was at the time I

888
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,680
was.
Idealistic.

889
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,400
And I was telling everyone that
should be reading the arrange

890
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,480
book, and I really wanted to
paint the grand universe, the

891
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,400
math universe.
But now, 25 years after that

892
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,280
idealistic time, I'm much more
reluctant to attempt it.

893
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,960
I have a significantly higher
understanding of what it must be

894
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,880
like.
There I could feel it, but I

895
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,640
know that I can't transmute that
feeling into something that's

896
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,080
intellectual.
But let me show you something

897
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,960
that's pretty funny.
This isn't quite a long time ago

898
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,520
and a friend of mine asked me.
About it a couple days ago.

899
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,560
So I got it down from upstairs
and it was an article by Stephen

900
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Hawking in a German I went
butcher, the name of the German

901
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,520
science magazine.
But he was talking about the

902
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,440
multiverse and they asked he, I
presume here, to use my artwork

903
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,280
as proof of the multiverse.
And I don't know where it is to

904
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,200
the center.
Yeah, that's funny.

905
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,840
So he, I mean and I don't know
what he's saying, it's trans

906
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,880
translates into German.
But here's his.

907
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,200
And up to sort of the multiverse
using an image that I've written

908
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,600
underneath of the credit line
did.

909
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,960
He give you credit so.
Yeah, yeah, they did.

910
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,880
And this is The funny thing
about this image actually,

911
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,160
because the errors in that image
when I get too technical.

912
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,400
I pointed out again the the
configuration of a Bonson that

913
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,280
I've painted there is wrong.
I know it's wrong and I know

914
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,600
that because I've studied it a
lot more and I'm I.

915
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,960
I hang out with Andre Radetis
and made it very clear that

916
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,440
we're we need to do a better
job.

917
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,680
But but what make that era
actually makes it more

918
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,960
approachable for people to enjoy
the image because it's more like

919
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,160
what people expect to see in the
universe.

920
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,120
Configurationally they expect
the Milky Way or Avanton to look

921
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,880
like Andromeda and they don't.
That's very where we live is a

922
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,960
modular super universe.
But the the the era quote UN

923
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,040
quote.
It actually makes it far more

924
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,080
easier for people to look at it.
And then some people come to me

925
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,560
and they'll say, oh, I read the
Iranian book because I saw your

926
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,200
painting, but they saw a
painting that was erroneous, but

927
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,320
a closer step, a smaller step
for them, it made it easier.

928
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,920
And this is something that we
need to be conscious about all

929
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,080
the time.
And I think that's what the

930
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,440
discovery Jesus app does, is
what Jesus always did was meet

931
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,520
people where they were.
Don't challenge people's

932
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,720
current.
Beliefs give them something new,

933
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,080
give it to them in a way that
they can understand it, that

934
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,520
they've that feels appropriate
to them and not threatening.

935
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,320
And then let time and their own
efforts push out the old and let

936
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,120
the new in.
That's what we need to do.

937
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,680
And I recognize that we're the
newer work I do, even though I'm

938
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,120
much more fastidious about
getting the details right, I'm

939
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,920
always trying to make sure that
we we land.

940
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,720
Where people can find it
comfortable and edifying and not

941
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,200
threatening.
And the same goes for the

942
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,200
paintings on this and the same
goes for the writing.

943
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,880
You can read and cover Jesus,
that it's all it's all need to

944
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,560
be like steps on a ladder, not a
ladder with no rungs.

945
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,120
That you know is going somewhere
wonderful, but you can't climb

946
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,600
that that that's really
important.

947
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,360
Yeah.
I think it's that balancing act,

948
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:15,840
Gary, too, between perfectionism
when when we do want to strive

949
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,960
to be perfect and we're.
A lot of us have that in us that

950
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,320
we want something to be perfect
and yet the celestials God will

951
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,920
use what we put out there and we
don't know.

952
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,000
I I would never probably have
read the Urancha book without

953
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,440
your cover.
Your cover was so beautiful that

954
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,160
like and it took 2 1/2 years and
several different times where my

955
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,040
son had it laying on the table
who has not read it yet himself.

956
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Where I was like, that is so
pretty and I just stopped

957
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,800
because I've always loved the
Earth from outer space.

958
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,360
But you captured something more
than just that, and that's what

959
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,720
led me to reading Part 4.
That was my introduction to it,

960
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,640
so.
That that's very humbling to

961
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,400
hear, and it reminds me of
something, and I'm sorry, sort

962
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,800
of hijacking the conversation
for a moment, but I was just

963
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,480
something I've been
contemplating for about a

964
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,880
decade.
The the concept of if God was

965
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,240
working in time.
What would God do in time?

966
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,880
Would God do something
existentially and eternally

967
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,720
perfect in time, and it wouldn't
make any sense to the people

968
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,160
that that perfection was being
done to?

969
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Or would God strike step exactly
at that time in those

970
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,240
circumstances?
Then I could then do the most

971
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,040
valuable point at that point in
that experience.

972
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,560
And the answer to me is easy.
The best way to do have

973
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,280
effective changes to move one
step forward.

974
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,480
When we're experiential beings,
there's no way of shortcutting

975
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,960
ourselves to perfection.
God would never be so naive as

976
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,240
to try and act existentially in
time.

977
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,920
That's the act of ours.
The consequences of Gods is US

978
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,120
doing those steps.
And I think it's really

979
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,840
important to remember that that
if we want, it's better to

980
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,400
slowly in the right direction
than the idealistically looking

981
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,840
to a horizon we don't know the
direction of.

982
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,760
Talking exactly about Eve's
dilemma, right, Like she wanted

983
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,560
to.
She came up with this plan with

984
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,560
him to like sort of jump it and
no.

985
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,840
Paper Paper 53 was the same
thing.

986
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,640
It's it's all, it's all
basically a shortcut and we

987
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,320
still.
I I often joke about people

988
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,920
today want you know people want
fast food they want fast car

989
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,200
they want fast Internet.
They want patience, but they

990
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,800
want that patience immediately.
And these things are these

991
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,800
things are the diagnosis me on
there, this world that there's

992
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,560
this lack of the the patience
seems like laborers but really

993
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,760
isn't it patience?
If you engage with it, that is

994
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,600
actually fortifying and you're
more conscious about each step

995
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,400
of the effort and I think that's
what what genus teaches that in.

996
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,800
Part or the arrangement.
He teaches it beautifully and

997
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,080
for somebody that used to be in
a hurry, I I've been working on

998
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,440
that.
Centerforunity.org and Gabriel

999
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,800
and Lisa and Mike and Gary and
Santiago.

1000
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,640
Thank you all.
It's been a real honor to sit in

1001
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,960
and talk to you about all this
stuff.

1002
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,960
And so hopefully you've been
able to gain a real appreciation

1003
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,640
for the projects that the Center
for Unity have underway.

1004
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,400
And any way that you can support
this.

1005
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,600
This team is much appreciated.
And of course, always a thank

1006
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,120
you for stopping by and enjoying
the Urancho Radio podcast, and

1007
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,720
we look forward to having these
people back on again soon.