Chuck Thurston - Urantia Philosophy

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All right.
Coming up is our interview with

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Chuck Thurston on this edition
of the Rancho Radio Podcast.

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We'll talk for about an hour and
we're going to cover a whole

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host of very interesting topics.
My time with Chuck Thurston in

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just a moment on the Rancho
Radio podcast

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and that's why I wanted to bring
you on because you wrote

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something that I had an
opportunity.

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One of my listeners sent me what
you wrote and we were happen to

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be talking about the Lucifer
influence in today's world and

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Calagastia and his role and I
found what you wrote to be

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absolutely fascinating about
that.

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No.
Cool.

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Yeah, is.
That the adjudication time

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frame, yes, talking about the
expansion of time and how time

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is different for us than it is.
So I want to get to a little bit

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about that, but I do want to
kind of do a little bit of an

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introduction.
Chuck Thurston started reading

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the Rancho book in the mid 70s
and after exploring many other

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sources, spiritual insight, the
discovery of the ranch book, he

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says and its teachings mark the
beginning of a new and

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profoundly life changing growth
and understanding of the nature

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of God and the meaning of our
existence.

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You know, I think we all kind of
have that same thing in common,

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don't we?
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think we do.
What did you, what had you tried

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before?
All kinds of things.

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You know, like what were some of
your?

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You know, things that were
popular in the 60s and 70s?

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Yeah, EST.
That was one of them, right?

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I never, I never got into Ask
Earhart seminars, seminars,

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training.
Yeah, I had a lot of friends who

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did, but I never did that the
way the way it was.

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I think I might have been part
of a church group that had the

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way, because I remember our our
Bible looked a little different

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from everybody else's.
But it was basically a sort of a

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hippie Jesus religion, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

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No, I didn't run that so much.
But I was in like Alan Watts and

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Timothy Leary and some Eastern
Eastern philosophies.

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Yeah, things like that.
Sure.

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Maharesh Mahesh Yogi.
Studied some of that and some of

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the Indian philosophies too.
I mean the India in India.

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They evolved the largest concept
of Infinity I think I've ever

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found anywhere.
I mean they had a sense of

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eternity and Infinity that was
missing from most cultural

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philosophies.
I found that very intriguing.

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Did you read Byron Belitso's
book about the Odyssey?

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Recently came out with that one.
I didn't don't mean to throw it

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at you at it quickly, but he
kind of touched on the The

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Odyssey and he's again talking
about Odyssey.

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Yeah, about.
Yeah, I've looked at some of

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that.
The the basis of it being if

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there's a God, why does why are
bad things allowed to happen?

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So he really kind of delves into
that.

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But there is the common thing
that I'm getting from a lot of

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people that's different now in
this decade than it was in in

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the twenty 10s.
And the certainly the first part

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of the first part of the new
century is that it's become

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dark, and I'm not sure why.
It seems like it's harder and

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harder to have faith, but it's
actually strengthened my own

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resolve in the ranch book.
I've never been more convinced

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now that the ranch book is what
it says it is because it's now

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it's offering solutions to
problems that maybe weren't so

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prominent in the 1990s, You
know?

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And you know, they talk about,
right?

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I mean, we weren't worried about
totalitarianism when I first

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started reading the ranch book.
But they dedicate an entire

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chapter to it and they give,
they give instruction to us.

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It's almost as if they're giving
us something to help us save

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ourselves from something that
you know, Am I wrong in feeling

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that?
Way well the threat is the

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threat is always there and it's
certainly been there big time in

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the long over the last hundred
couple, 100 years.

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So I'm not sure it really went
away, but maybe we're we were

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distracted by other things.
But the rise of social media has

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made me much more aware of a lot
of things.

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I mean, you can't escape it if
you if you take an independent

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and you know, if you hold an
independence of mind and just

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look to see what's out there.
Not necessarily going to the

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mainstream news sources, you
know, which tend to have a very

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indoctrinating effect, because
I'm sure you're aware, yeah,

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it's changed.
Side of that, if you look

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outside of that, then you begin
to see more clearly, I think

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some of these dark forces that
are in play and also the good

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forces that are rising up in
opposition.

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I mean, that's one of the things
I find so encouraging about

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citizen journalism and the, you
know, the rise of independent,

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you know, podcasters and
Youtubers and things like that.

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Some of them are heroic in my
mind.

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I mean, they're so dedicated to
keeping a show out sometimes

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every day.
They do so much research, it's

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just remarkable.
So if you find there's good

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stuff out there online, if you
can find it, you know, you just

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have to have your mind open and
then we'll, you know, have a

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have a desire for an alternate
view on things.

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And it is out there, and there's
a lot of it that I find very

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encouraging, but it's also being
oppressed, you know, suppressed

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and bugs.
Throttle, there's a real,

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there's real battle going on.
I mean, it's been going on for a

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long time, ever since the
rebellion broke out, but it's

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kind of relocated to this sphere
of information.

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You know, the control of
information is a big, big part

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of what?
Where the struggle is taking

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place right now, it is because
there are people who have a

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certain agenda.
Maybe they view humanity, see

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it.
You know, To me, the number one

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problem in the world is that we
have a lot of millionaires and a

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lot of people of tremendous
influence.

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The Mark Zuckerbergs and and and
man, the thing that I'd like to

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do is you shove A Urancho book
into their hands and send them

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away for a year and make them
read that book.

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Because what I see, No,
seriously.

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Because, you know, yeah, they
have these illusions of

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grandeur.
They're going to chemtrail the

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the skies and control the
weather.

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And they're going to do all
these radicalized, dehumanized,

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atomized.
And I know the most highs must

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be looking down at these these
people and going, what are these

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guys doing?
Do any of them know about the

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ranch book?
Yeah, probably not.

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Well, it's really, it's a
godless kind of thinking too.

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Yeah, it's like it's like self.
Self dedification, you know, we

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need to deify the human race as
opposed to turning to God for,

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you know, a sense of reality and
guidance.

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It's wanting to usurp that.
I mean, that's what Lucifer was

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about, you know, His whole
rebellion was about self

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dedification, denying the
existence of the Universal

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Father and positing himself as
God.

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Or like Calligasi said, calling
himself God of Urantia.

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So that that pattern of self
dedification runs all through

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our culture where, you know,
there's a hubris, there's a self

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aggrandizing dimension to it
that has no real moral limits.

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And that's part of the problem,
because there's no higher sense

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of reality that we're all part
of, you know, the part in the

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whole relationship.
You know, I think part of the

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secret of moving forward is
individuals voluntarily taking

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responsibility for the good of
the whole, and that everyone has

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a mind toward that.
Then it's not just about more

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for me, it's about what's good
for everybody.

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And that's a real change in
thinking that gradually, I'm

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sure will occur.
Over the future age, well,

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eventually we'll get there.
I think eventually we have the

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potential.
You know, there's a couple.

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Of lines, of course.
One line when in talking about

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the different governments and
how they evolve at different

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rates, there's a comment, I'm
not sure exactly where it is,

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where where it talks about
certain republics are even now

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in formation.
So they may be talking about,

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you know, maybe some African
governments right now that are

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in their fetal stage and they
haven't quite emerged to that

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point.
Or maybe you know some European

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nations that have the potential,
you know, to go on to be, you

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know, sort of higher achieving.
Another quote I'll throw out

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there.
It says when 3/4 of the youth

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are distracted or focused on the
external world, civilization is

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in danger and and man well.
Think about STEM.

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Think about STEM.
That's what STEM is.

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Science, Technology, engineering
and Mathematics.

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So China, you know, it's all
about STEM.

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And they're an officially
atheistic country in their

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philosophy, so that's an example
of that.

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There's no attention at all.
I mean within at least the STEM

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concept for philosophy or
literature or religion.

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And you know, any of those
things that we know brings

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closer to God and have the real
true unifying and uplifting

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influence, I think better
potential because it's not there

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in China.
You're not seeing the youth

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smash and grab.
You're not seeing the youth

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10,000 people showing up one day
in downtown New York City

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because they want to.
You're seeing that here.

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We're supposed to be the
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I.
Mean.

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They do have.
They do have, you know.

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Yeah, outbreaks of opposition
from time to time.

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But what we're seeing here is
something different.

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What we're seeing different here
is more like how it was when the

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Communists were taking over.
Yeah.

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Like the the Great Leap Forward
or you know what Stalin or what

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Lenin and those guys were doing
in Russia back when they were

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massacring all the Christians
and stuff.

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So what we're seeing here is
kind of the early stage of a

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Communist takeover, you might
say.

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Or it has that look about it.
It does, yeah.

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And that's kind of what's
disturbing about it is that the

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ideological struggle that you
think is going on between

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secularism and and Jesus's
teachings.

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What's the in your mind?
What is the great conflict that

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the world right now is is going
through based on your knowledge

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of the ranch book and your own
wisdom?

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Well, you know, it has different
phases and different levels to

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it, but I have noticed that when
something good comes along, it's

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almost inevitably opposed by
something destructive to try and

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take it down so.
The forces of destruction are

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very active and responsive to
good things when they do begin

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to happen.
So we kind of have to be on our

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guard and aware of that.
As you know, we proceed with our

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efforts, you know, to bring the
truth of the Ranch book into the

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world and give people a real
understanding of Jesus and who

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he was and what he taught.
You know, that's going to be

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opposed.
There's just no way to for that.

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You know, there's no way to
avoid that.

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But we can be wise about how we
proceed and have some

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understanding and some
anticipation.

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Maybe it's the kinds of
opposition that will come up so

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that we can, you know, kind of
be strong about it and perhaps

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avoid some of the obvious
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Do you think that the Uranture
do you, in that line of thought?

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And do you think that the
Uranchable can hold up against

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any arguments that would be
pitted against it?

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In other words, what you know.
I don't think a lot depends on

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who's doing the arguing.
Certainly possible.

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Yeah, of course.
I mean, I mean, the ranch book

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itself argues for itself very
convincingly as far as I'm

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concerned.
But for a human, you know, for

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one of us, like you or me or
those we know that are dedicated

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to this work, we have to develop
the the understanding to present

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the arguments in our own words.
So we're not just quoting

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passages out of the book that we
actually have a lived

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understanding that we can refer
to and put into words that's

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compelling and attractive.
That's see, that's the other

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part of it has to be attractive.
I mean, there's nothing

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attractive about destruction.
There's nothing attractive about

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sin and evil.
It appears to have power because

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it has force behind it.
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not attractive.
They're not appealing.

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It's not something you want to
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So what we have on our side is
something very, very attractive

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and we have to know how to
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And beyond that, create a
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attractive.
And that's I think sort of the

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project we're all working on.
You know, like Derek and I on

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our podcast or your work you're
doing work others are doing.

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We're creating a culture little
by little, you know, slowly, but

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it's emerging and there's a
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That is inherently appealing to
anyone that has their heart open

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or their spiritual eyes open.
They'll respond to that and see

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it and say, yeah, I want to be
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I want to, I want to help.
What can I do?

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You know, that sort of spirit
that draws upon the originality

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and initiative that we each have
in potential within us to

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express our spirit, you know,
divine.

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Spirit, inspiration, you know we
have all these gifts.

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It's spirit.
You know, our threefold spirit

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endowment with the thought of
gesture and spirit of truth and

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the and the Holy Spirit from the
Mother.

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Spirit that is very powerful,
very powerful stuff that we've

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been given.
But we need to understand and

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discover how to experience it.
You know, like Jesus said, you

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know the important thing is
growing in your ability to feel

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the presence of God.
And that I've always taken that

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comment of his very, very much
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Yeah.
Because that's that's really the

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transforming type of experience.
Yeah, That, you know, brings us,

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yeah, closer to God.
I guess one way of saying it is,

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you know, I was thinking as
you're speaking and you're

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saying some really compelling
moving stuff, but it's like

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veganism isn't just what you
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It's a lifestyle, you know.
And in the same way religion is,

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It should be religion.
Real meaning.

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Everything in your life has to
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And there's a connection through
all of it.

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It's not separated parts.
You know, sometimes people have

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to think religious is being
okay, You got to be religious or

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you got to believe certain
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Well, it's actually a convictive
tissue that ties everything in

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your life together because you
know that, like knowing about

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the mansion worlds, for example.
Having that literal explain to

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me what is actually going to
happen tells me that I'm going

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to be held accountable for
everything I do here.

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So why not start living that
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You know, why can't we live the
lives that the truth that Jesus

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taught us now?
Not because we want to be

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forgiven or receive salvation.
That's an assumption.

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The assumption's already there.
You know you by your faith,

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you're safe, right?
So why can't religion just be a

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real, real, realistic approach
to living life as a spiritual

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person?
Doing things, just knowing that

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you're doing something good for
somebody else is God's will.

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And it's nothing more or less
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But you know.
Yeah, you can start that way,

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yeah.
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Well, and then of course the
piece about sharing the inner

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life with God, You know, that's
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of doing God's will.
Is sharing our inner life with

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God.
So that means being in constant

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communion, just always checking
with God, having conversation,

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having communion, having what I
call a feeling of withness, the

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feeling of being with God all
the time.

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And that transforms us, you
know, because it's sort of an

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entrainment almost, you know
that, Familiar with that concept

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of entrainment.
You know what I mean by that?

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Like you have two vibrating
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They're vibrating at different
rates, but after a little while

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they start vibrating at the same
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Yeah, I've seen that.
It's amazing how energy is.

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Yeah, sort of like that.
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Yeah.
So, so we're invited to entrain

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with Spirit.
So for our thinking to become

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more and more it's true to
Spirit values for example.

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And that's kind of what our
adjuster gives us, it gives us

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you know?
Pictureization is a destiny, but

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it's always in value terms, I
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So when we seek guidance, what
that's going to come through

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value guidance.
So like I say, the one thing we

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can always ask for, you know, in
terms of prayer, is knowledge of

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the Father's will that we can
always ask for and then try to

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put that into practice.
But it has to be a result of our

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own efforts.
You know, we have to try to try

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to figure it out ourselves, but
we'll get an inner sense.

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You know that sense of this is
the way walk there in.

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You know when they talk about
the spirit of truth, you know,

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at every crossroads and I'm sure
you've had that experience, I

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think all of us probably have
that, you know, an active faith

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engagement with God where.
Or flummoxed or puzzled by some

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situation that's come up.
We can decide what to do, but

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we've identified the options,
right?

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I can do this.
I can do this or I can do that.

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You know, we put in the work in
that sense and then we lay it

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before God, and we get kind of a
just a value insight.

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It's kind of almost mysterious,
but there's a feeling about one

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of those options that feels
right.

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And once that happens, it's
obvious, Oh yeah, of course.

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That's the right thing to do,
you know.

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And the way that happens, it's
an it works on the evaluation

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level.
So you think about decisions.

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There's always been evaluations.
That's one of the things I've

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talked about at Burning Man.
Yes, there's a sequence of

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reality flow that, you know, we
discover after a while.

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So at Burning Man, I used the,
the example of, like, going to

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Burning Man, right.
So the person's like, well, am I

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going to go to Burning Man or
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So they have to evaluate that
decision, right?

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Yeah.
So if they evaluate the decision

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and decide that, yes, they want
to do that, then they have to do

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all the preparations.
And that's where it gets on to

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the mind level.
That's think of all the stuff

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they got to get together in
order to actually make it there.

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And then finally, you know, they
get in their car or their truck

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and whatever, they hit the road
and that's when it's the

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material level.
So there's this reality flow

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that always goes from values to
meanings to engagement with

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material reality.
And I don't think people

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understand that very well.
I mean, for me, one of the great

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revelations of the Ranch book is
this understanding of reality,

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having these three levels, you
know, body, mind and spirit, and

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they're real.
And we can engage those 3 levels

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in our growth and decision
making processes and everything

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we do.
How much of it?

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What are the building blocks
that you have to kind of have in

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order to be able to go in the
direction you're talking about

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where you can?
In other words, what's the

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What's the key curiosity?
Curiosity is a big one.

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I mean it it begins with urges.
I think, you know, I recently

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been doing some studies stuff
and we did a podcast, whatever.

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But about the adjutant mind
spirits and they're all

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described as, they're all
described as urges, which is

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kind of a revelation.
When I noticed that, I didn't.

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I didn't noticed that until
pretty recently.

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I mean, the first couple are
described more as intuitions and

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impulses, but the other five are
clearly described as urges.

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And so those have been put
within us to motivate us to get

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us moving.
So like recently I visited my

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daughter.
She has a 2 year old son, right?

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He's such a bundle of urges.
He can't believe it, but it's

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urges and frustrations.
It's this combination of urges

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and frustrations, you know, and
that's why 2 year olds are

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always, you know, you get all
upset, you know, but then they

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try again.
But it's the urges to keep us

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moving, you know, It's like the
urge to communicate.

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For example, the spirit of
council, they have the urge to

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these little 2 year old.
Yeah, he's learning words like

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one word at a time.
You know, he's just now

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beginning to string them
together into these sort of make

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believe sentences.
But it's all about this urge to

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communicate.
This is the spirit of council.

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So that urge drives our
development.

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Those urges, Dr. Our development
and the thought of justice is

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also described as an urge, and
that's our highest spiritual

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urge.
So the urge to know God is

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natural within us if we don't
suppress it or deny it.

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Or if you've been taught and
that, yeah, but even that isn't

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true because you know, following
gong.

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Is a good example.
You know, for 100 years these

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people were taught not to go
anywhere near religion or they

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could risk being imprisoned.
And yet, somehow, some spiritual

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idea enveloped 100 million
people over a 10 year period.

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Yeah, yeah.
Look at the brutality of the

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suppression of that.
Yeah, but you're still emerged

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like a flower grows through a
crack.

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You know, it's a great, that's a
great example, yeah.

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But you're right.
God is reaching down.

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What did I read the quote of the
day today was the sun will not

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be satisfied till every mortal
has found God or something.

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You know there's there's a
reaching down.

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Something is pulling us in.
No, I agree.

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Yeah, yeah.
Every time we reach up, there's

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a down.
There's always an upreach in the

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downreach going on
simultaneously.

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What I want to I don't.
I want to go to something now

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that I my instincts tell me.
But you have a lot to say about

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it.
What do you think the role?

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What do you think the
relationship will be?

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Or maybe, what do you hope the
relationship will be between

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Christians and your ranchons?
Do we need each other?

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Yeah.
Well, that's a really

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interesting question.
I didn't grow up with a really

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strong, I mean, my family
background is all Christian, but

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my parents were more academics.
My dad was more of a science

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guy.
I mean, my mom held on to or

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Christianity more than my father
did, but not that they ever lost

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it, but it to some extent it
lost credibility, which I think

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is what a lot of us have seen.
You know that the Christianity I

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grew up with at least didn't,
you know, too much of it just

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seemed like it was made-up or
weird, you know, like virgin

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births and things like that.
You know, it's just like there's

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a loss of credibility if you're
coming from more of a scientific

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background, which I did because
that was kind of the culture of

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my family, especially with my
father.

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So I'd always put things through
this kind of a reality test in

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my thinking, you know.
And with my dad, you could

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always tell me this.
The only way to determine

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reality is through the
repeatable experiment.

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So that that's a principle
within within science.

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You know, if you can repeat the
same experiment the same way,

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then that shows that there's
something there, right?

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And that works on the material,
that works on the material

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level.
But then how do you address the

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levels of philosophy and spirit?
You know, all the all the good

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stuff, you know, beauty, truth
and goodness, those things, you

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know, right?
And you know, our conversations

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didn't go too far in those
directions.

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But then I found the ranch book,
tried to show it to him, and he

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said, oh, this is the science
that is this what they believed

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in the 50s, you know.
So he kind of dismissed it,

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which is frustrating without
even looking at the rest of it.

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So you don't necessarily think
that Christians are going to

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adapt and or that somehow the
ranch book will be Christified

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or?
Will there be a marriage?

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And because the Orancho book
seems to say we need them, that

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Christianity has its own
problems.

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But you know, that's, that's the
breonic, you know, Yeah, but

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they do say it's sort of like
Jesus said to the Jews back in

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the day.
If you don't accept this, others

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will.
That's good. 10 tiles, you know,

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and they'll accept it.
So it's kind of the same as the

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Orancho book.
If the Christians kind of are so

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stubborn because they're not
willing to look at it, then

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it'll pass on to others.
They're like brothers, you know.

451
00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:24,490
Others will discover it.
And you know this.

452
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:27,890
So my, my sympathies are kind of
more with the secularist in a

453
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:30,690
weird way.
Although, you know, I understand

454
00:25:30,690 --> 00:25:33,050
Christianity and I see the value
of it, and I've come to

455
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:35,610
appreciate it more over the
years since I've been studying

456
00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:37,810
the Ranch book.
I have a greater appreciation,

457
00:25:38,970 --> 00:25:40,130
Yeah, me too, than I had
growing.

458
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:43,410
I kind of looked at them as
brothers.

459
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:46,130
Yeah, well, there's all
different kinds of Christians

460
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:47,000
too.
Yeah.

461
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,200
You know, they shouldn't be all
pigeonholed into one box.

462
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,200
True.
You know, the ones that are the

463
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,240
most ones that are the most
frustrating to me, I guess, are

464
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000
the ones who believe in the
inerrancy of the Bible.

465
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,680
You know, that belief, which is
so hardcore and so strong among

466
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,440
certain Christians, it just take
turns their minds into not.

467
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,680
I mean, there's just no way you
can reckon.

468
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,160
There's a lot of rigidity,
conflicting, conflicting

469
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,370
passages in the Bible.
There's nobody can resolve that

470
00:26:17,370 --> 00:26:20,050
without understanding they were
written by human beings who

471
00:26:20,050 --> 00:26:23,170
were, you know, some were maybe
God like, and a lot of them

472
00:26:23,170 --> 00:26:24,530
weren't.
You know, there's a lot of

473
00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:26,410
political agendas running
through the Bible.

474
00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:28,130
You know, from the day it's
already.

475
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:32,290
Well, the the chapter on the Old
Testament especially.

476
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:34,690
And the thing about the Old
Testament that people don't seem

477
00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:38,810
to grasp, is that there's two
very different guide concepts in

478
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:42,130
play in the Old Testament.
And the Old Testament is about

479
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:44,050
the war between these two guide
concepts.

480
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:47,660
You know, the righteous God
psalms and some of these early,

481
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:51,980
you know, coming from the Salem
missionaries and other sources.

482
00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:55,060
And then there's stuff that
started happening in this in

483
00:26:55,060 --> 00:27:00,220
around 600 BC, where the efforts
to sabotage Michael's, the stole

484
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,500
got underway.
And they introduced all these

485
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:07,740
really dark and demonic
nationalist, cruel nationalist

486
00:27:07,740 --> 00:27:10,700
teachings, you know, began with
Deuteronomy.

487
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:18,050
And that really poisoned the
receptivity of the, you know,

488
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:22,730
the Hebrew Nation.
For Michael's The Stool, and

489
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:27,050
that's totally in in conflict.
But not only the earlier

490
00:27:27,050 --> 00:27:30,210
teachings, the older teachings,
you know the best stuff in the

491
00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:33,050
Bible, the oldest stuff.
But then there were also the

492
00:27:33,050 --> 00:27:35,330
prophets.
And then you get like Isaiah and

493
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:38,170
some of those, and then there's
wonderful, wonderful stuff

494
00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:41,230
there.
But it wasn't enough to open

495
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:44,470
their hearts.
Was this your position then that

496
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:48,190
you believe that since
Callagastia was aware that

497
00:27:48,190 --> 00:27:53,510
Michael was going to be, that he
tried to sabotage it by making

498
00:27:54,030 --> 00:27:58,630
by basically militarizing Jewish
theology so that it would become

499
00:27:58,630 --> 00:28:02,150
antagonistic about against every
other tribe, right.

500
00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:05,430
And so that was a way of poison
Pilling, in a way.

501
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,920
Yeah.
So that when Michael, that's one

502
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,320
of the things he did, he did
some other things too, but that

503
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,440
was a big one, was poisoning the
scriptures of the Hebrew nation.

504
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,280
And to to where they were.
They were so enamored with this,

505
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:28,840
these new promises of worldly
power and dominion is the

506
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,040
leadership that the idea of
becoming spiritual teachers,

507
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,960
bringing God to the other
nations, it says, oh, that's

508
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,120
boring, you don't want to do
that.

509
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,360
We want to take over the world
and have power and glory.

510
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,000
So there was a Switcher in there
that happened, you know?

511
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,440
And I also see a little bit of,
you know, starting around 600 BC

512
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,970
and earlier, but that was the,
yeah, definitely a poison pill.

513
00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:59,050
So you, you see the
intransigence of the Jewish

514
00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:00,730
leaders during the time of
Jesus.

515
00:29:01,450 --> 00:29:04,370
I mean individuals were very
willing, some at least were very

516
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:05,650
willing to hear what he had to
say.

517
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,410
But the, the leaders were
intransigent.

518
00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:12,930
And the goal, you know, was
Malkizadak 2000 years earlier,

519
00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:17,490
was to have the Hebrew nation
welcome Jesus and then carry his

520
00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:19,650
message to the world.
That was the plan.

521
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:26,070
That was Nakabena's plan.
And the the first thing that

522
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:28,950
happened to Derail that was the
dispersion of the northern

523
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:33,030
Kingdom, because those were the
Israelites, the Israelites were

524
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:35,710
the northern Kingdom.
And you know the story about

525
00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:39,590
Nathaniel, You know Jesus met
Nathaniel, you remember what he

526
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:43,510
said, Behold the genuine
Israelite in whom there is no

527
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:48,910
deceit.
And that's and that's how Jesus

528
00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:52,430
would have been received by the
Northern.

529
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:56,240
Kingdom, but it was wiped out.
It was just first, you know, the

530
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,920
people were scattered, so all
was left was the Judites in the

531
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,160
South, which were taken over by
the priesthood.

532
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440
And that's when they started
introducing this nationalistic

533
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,640
teachings that took the place of
the original covenant.

534
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,720
With this new covenant that you
know, if you massacre all the

535
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,610
surrounding tribes, you'll win,
right?

536
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:23,810
Or something like that.
So instead of taking God to the

537
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:27,610
rest, to the other nations, they
were taking fear and destruction

538
00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:30,850
to the other nations, which is a
complete inversion of the

539
00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:34,250
original covenant, you know,
with Makaventa and Abraham.

540
00:30:35,410 --> 00:30:38,650
So to me that seems like a very
deliberate move on Callagasta's

541
00:30:38,650 --> 00:30:41,330
part.
And it had very telling effect,

542
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:46,830
as we can see, because Makavena
was never able to bring the

543
00:30:46,830 --> 00:30:49,430
Hebrew nation around to the
point that they would welcome

544
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:51,830
and recognize Jesus.
Because they were looking even

545
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:55,390
political deliverer, right.
Well, right.

546
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:57,030
Yeah, right.
And that was done.

547
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:58,110
I mean that was a deliberate
thing.

548
00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:03,030
It was done starting around 600
BC with the introduction

549
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:08,870
Deuteronomy.
So that's a, you know, and they

550
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:11,790
tell the story.
Well, Jesus mentioned, you know,

551
00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:15,430
the the Witch of Endor.
Remember that where, you know,

552
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:16,990
they're just going along with
the apostles.

553
00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:18,550
I guess they were an indoor or
something.

554
00:31:18,550 --> 00:31:21,790
So you recounted a little bit
about that story and you can

555
00:31:21,790 --> 00:31:25,470
find it in the Old Testament.
It's very clearly told about the

556
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:31,310
wish and indoor, you know, about
how the advice was given.

557
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:35,190
You know, you know there's this
woman with this familiar spirit

558
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:39,230
and called up apparently a
secondary midwear pretending to

559
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:41,350
be Samuel or something like
that.

560
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,100
Yeah.
And that you know caused and who

561
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:50,020
was it?
Not Cyrus, but The Who was it

562
00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:52,140
that was the leader at that
point.

563
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:55,380
Jeez, wait a minute.
I'm thinking of his name.

564
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:59,380
But anyway, so then he lost that
battle and a lot of that him

565
00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:02,100
losing that battle the ranch
book describes as tragic.

566
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:05,420
And that was set up by this
meeting where he had gone to try

567
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:09,580
to get advice from the switch
and then and A and a secondary

568
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:14,760
midwear posing and Samuel race
from the dead misled him so.

569
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Now, was that an evil fallen
midwear that had done this?

570
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's what That's what

571
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Jesus was saying to his bosses
when they were in Oh.

572
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640
That's that's right, yeah.
He's referencing that this is

573
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560
going to stop these, these rebel
midwear is going to be rounded

574
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,760
up after I'm gone.
So this is not going to

575
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,360
continue.
But you should understand that

576
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,160
this is exactly is actually what
happened during that time.

577
00:32:36,910 --> 00:32:40,390
So it's not hard to imagine
around 600 BC the same thing,

578
00:32:40,390 --> 00:32:43,150
you know rebel midware
Calagassia, you know rebel

579
00:32:43,150 --> 00:32:47,790
midware poses the Lord thy God
something like that and present

580
00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:50,710
all these teachings just overall
the tribal elders thinking

581
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:52,470
they're talking to God when
they're asking talking to

582
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:57,110
Calagassia and the teachers got
into the got into those

583
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:59,830
scriptures that way probably.
Please ask my.

584
00:33:00,070 --> 00:33:02,910
Well, that's then that raises
another question.

585
00:33:02,910 --> 00:33:05,870
I'll ask then, then the What do
you think, if anything?

586
00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:08,910
Callagastia might be doing to
inhibit the growth of the

587
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:11,150
Urancho book.
Or do you think?

588
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:14,590
That the Urancho book is on the
right course for right now.

589
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:15,790
Yeah.
What do you think?

590
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:17,750
Yeah, No, that's a that's a good
question.

591
00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:21,030
Well, I.
Don't know.

592
00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:24,630
Any thoughts.
Some people say it's not growing

593
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:27,190
fast enough, not from what I can
see.

594
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:30,950
I mean, I get the reports like a
lot of people, you know, the

595
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:32,950
reports are looking pretty good,
I mean.

596
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:35,330
You know, for a book that
doesn't get any kind of

597
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:39,570
marketing or advertising, you
know, yeah, it's growing

598
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:42,810
phenomenally in, in places in
Africa and places I would never

599
00:33:42,810 --> 00:33:46,490
would of South America.
Yeah, South America, but then

600
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:48,250
they got that Europe.
Thing going on is it?

601
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:49,650
Does it going on anything in
Europe?

602
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:50,690
Yeah, Europe.
See that.

603
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:52,130
That was the result of World War
II.

604
00:33:52,410 --> 00:33:55,410
Europe was secularized and
religion was discredited.

605
00:33:55,410 --> 00:33:58,890
And that was one of the purposes
of World War II was to destroy

606
00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:01,090
Christianity, the nation and all
that stuff.

607
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:05,030
So that was pretty that effort
on Callagassee's part was pretty

608
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:07,510
successful in Europe and we see
the consequences of it,

609
00:34:07,510 --> 00:34:10,630
especially in the Scandinavian
countries.

610
00:34:10,630 --> 00:34:12,389
You know, they've gone very
atheistic.

611
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:16,909
On the other hand, countries
like Hungary seem to be, yeah,

612
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:19,389
totally Christianity.
Even in Russia, states in the

613
00:34:19,469 --> 00:34:24,429
Eastern Europe, they've held on
more successfully, I think to

614
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:26,400
their Christian faith.
Yeah.

615
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,719
And other countries too.
I mean, you go to I was in Italy

616
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,679
some years ago and it's still
all turn out, you know, and they

617
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,480
have cathedrals everywhere.
Sure.

618
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,719
You know, So there's there's
stuff going on that's still

619
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,840
alive in people's heart.
But you think the Midwayrs are

620
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,880
focus.
What do you think their concerns

621
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,040
are right now?
You talk to anybody about that,

622
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120
like amongst fellow Uranchins,
because we know that.

623
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:55,060
From the Apocrypha, some of the
writings were that the midwares

624
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:58,820
are very concerned about
communism during and it delayed

625
00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:02,180
the publishing of the the book.
Yeah, that's one of those

626
00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:05,380
apocryphal stories that I have
questions about actually,

627
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:08,420
because it wasn't communism
popped up out of nowhere in

628
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,700
1950.
I mean it was got started way

629
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,420
earlier.
That's what World War Two was

630
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:16,260
about.
Yeah, you know, it was about

631
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:20,950
communism and the end even much
earlier than that, so it

632
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:25,750
probably didn't just start.
Well, that's true, the danger of

633
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:27,910
communism.
So I wonder about some of those

634
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:30,830
stories you know?
Tell me a little bit.

635
00:35:30,830 --> 00:35:33,710
I want to, I want to get to some
of the more exciting things that

636
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:37,030
are you and Derek are doing.
Tell us a little bit about.

637
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:39,630
I know, you also should get good
credit.

638
00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:43,670
You and Christy Larson, part of
the Cosmic Blog talk radio thing

639
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:45,630
that's been around for like a
decade now, right?

640
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:50,030
Wait, you mean Cosmic Citizen?
Is it a cosmic citizen I'm

641
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:51,870
talking about?
Yeah, that's Paula.

642
00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:54,950
Paula Yeah.
So tell me about some of your

643
00:35:54,990 --> 00:36:01,030
other, your other endeavors,
specifically with the UB films

644
00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:02,270
and what you're doing with
Derek.

645
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:04,590
You guys have been also involved
with that.

646
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:07,590
So how is that coming along?
Are you finding more and more

647
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:10,110
new readers?
Are you finding you're making an

648
00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:12,030
impact?
What is Tell us?

649
00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:15,710
Yeah, no, our, our subscribers
grown a lot.

650
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,800
You know, since we've started.
You know, we have well and well

651
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,320
over 1000 subscribers now.
I mean, I don't know what the

652
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,320
current number is, but I I feel
like we're, you know, achieving

653
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,960
as much success as we can hope
for.

654
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:34,040
It takes time for these things
to take hold, but we get a lot

655
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,760
of interesting comments and
people are finding the podcasts

656
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,240
that aren't necessarily your
answer book readers and

657
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,880
commenting positively about
them.

658
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000
So I take that as a hopeful
sign.

659
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,520
I mean some of the topics, you
know, there's understanding

660
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,560
about a lot of these things.
It's not very as you know out

661
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,760
there in the culture there's a
lot of confusion about a lot of

662
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960
things and you know we run run
up against that.

663
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,120
But people are pat are glad to
hear what we're talking about

664
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,920
generally.
I mean, for the first, I don't

665
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,120
know, a couple years, we're
doing mostly like spiritual

666
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:13,390
topics, like stuff about Jesus
and other things related to mind

667
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:15,830
and spirit and things, you know,
Marantz and stuff like that.

668
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:19,310
And then lately we've been doing
more historical topics, and

669
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,430
those are also being very well
received.

670
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:24,990
You know, like we did a show
about Noah, for example.

671
00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:27,190
Like, we're taking a look at
here's what it says in the

672
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:29,670
Bible, here's what it says in
the ranch book, you know, and

673
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:35,830
comparing them and developing a
understanding that sort of tries

674
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:39,670
to incorporate both perspectives
when people get an better idea

675
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:42,470
of where the stuff in the Bible
came from.

676
00:37:43,380 --> 00:37:46,460
Yeah.
And then who uplifting that with

677
00:37:46,460 --> 00:37:48,460
what we learned from the ranch
book, You know, so there's like

678
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:52,140
several Noahs, for example.
And, you know, how does that all

679
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:54,540
sort out?
And same thing with the book

680
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,300
with Enoch, the book of Enoch.
That was a really interesting

681
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,300
one to research and prepare
because there's several Enochs

682
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:03,420
as well.
You mean in the Biblical

683
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:04,740
history?
What do you mean there's several

684
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:09,220
Enochs?
Well, there's the Enoch that was

685
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:14,730
just not obtained over in in the
land of not who became a, you

686
00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:17,770
know, a spiritual teacher.
But then there's the biblical

687
00:38:17,770 --> 00:38:22,330
idea that Enoch was the son of
was still part of the Pedamic.

688
00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:27,450
Machine and they But the Bible
she doesn't understand about the

689
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:29,210
second garden versus the first
garden.

690
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:33,010
So everything in the Bible
that's referenced as the Garden

691
00:38:33,010 --> 00:38:36,610
of Eden or Adam and Eve is all
really the second Garden.

692
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,130
There's no awareness
understanding of the first

693
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:42,650
garden.
That's interesting.

694
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:44,010
I never really thought about
that.

695
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:49,170
You're right, although there are
references made in the Genesis

696
00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:53,050
about the Three Rivers and I, I
would think that had more to do

697
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:56,970
with the first garden before it
fell.

698
00:38:57,050 --> 00:39:00,170
Yeah, there might be some.
There might be some hints, but

699
00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:01,930
in terms.
Of the and the mist would come

700
00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:05,010
up, you know and all that.
Yeah, yeah, right.

701
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:08,790
So the, the, but then there's
the Book of Enoch.

702
00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:10,230
You know who wrote the Book of
Enoch?

703
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:12,550
That's.
Not the same as Yeah, so clarify

704
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,910
that for me.
Is the book of Enoch written

705
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:16,390
now?
Is that the Enoch that

706
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:18,990
translated with his thought of
gesture?

707
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:21,450
And actually, well, that's one
of the questions.

708
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:23,890
So we know that Enoch fused.
Right.

709
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:26,290
Yeah.
So that's his distinction was

710
00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:28,290
was.
Yeah, right, right.

711
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:30,050
That was he the author of the
Book of Enoch.

712
00:39:30,250 --> 00:39:32,930
I mean, these are questions that
are hard to really fully answer.

713
00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:36,570
But one of the things that I've
noticed is that preparing some

714
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:40,010
of these shows is that there's
this huge body of apocrypha out

715
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:41,850
there.
You know in the Book of Enoch is

716
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:44,250
one of them.
It almost made it into the

717
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:48,170
Bible.
But but there are many others

718
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:51,130
like the Book of cash or for
example, and I don't know, if

719
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:54,370
you go to the website to track
this up, there's literally, I

720
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:58,770
don't know, maybe, I don't know,
hundreds, but close to that of

721
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:45,850
other books that are.
That didn't right?

722
00:40:00,970 --> 00:40:03,770
When you begin to look into this
stuff, you realize that the

723
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:06,690
books that are in the Bible,
they're also apocrisy.

724
00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:08,730
It's just the ones that they
happen to.

725
00:40:08,730 --> 00:40:10,730
Select the ones that like
there's.

726
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:14,230
All these other books.
Maybe have equals standing in

727
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:18,270
some sense or have certainly
have worthwhile material in them

728
00:40:18,350 --> 00:40:21,470
that maybe could be also taken
seriously.

729
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:24,950
So that's that's a big puzzle.
You know what to do with all the

730
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:27,510
apocrypha like in the Which one
is it?

731
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:30,470
I think it's in the the second
book of Enoch.

732
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,990
I'm not sure there's a whole
section that describes the the

733
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:36,630
rebellion in Dalmatia.
I'd like to read that.

734
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:38,590
How can I but?
With different name but with

735
00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:39,990
different names.
Oh, I see.

736
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:44,010
The names are different.
But if you follow the story, it

737
00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:46,730
sounds exactly what what
happened to Dalmatia, you know,

738
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:49,090
interesting.
Yeah.

739
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:53,290
So there's these echoes reaching
way back into the past and some

740
00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:57,330
of these writings can you just
sort of your jaw drops.

741
00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:03,450
I mean the power of of oral
tradition to carry forward some

742
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:07,530
of these stories over just
incredible stretches of time is

743
00:41:07,570 --> 00:41:10,810
just like, you know, it's
awesome.

744
00:41:10,850 --> 00:41:12,680
I mean it's.
Hard to believe, but there it

745
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,040
is, you know, so you can find
these things A couple of minutes

746
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,440
left.
I want to talk quickly.

747
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,480
Are you surprised?
I noticed AI has a real good

748
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,120
grasp, or at least it seems to
me.

749
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,400
Somebody sent me something the
other day where they asked

750
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,480
ChatGPT to create a website that
has all the other your answer

751
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,680
related websites and it
assembled a collection of all

752
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,270
these websites that are out
there that are it's beautiful.

753
00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:44,270
I'm I don't even anyway her
website or the person who wrote

754
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:48,750
it, your answer resources.com
that's actually created by a I

755
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:50,750
and I did a couple of
experiments.

756
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:54,630
When A I I'm not a big fan of a
I, I'm kind of hands off on this

757
00:41:54,630 --> 00:42:01,310
one, but I'm I'm amazed at how
much it it is able to pull a

758
00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:06,400
fairly cohesive, somewhat
accurate representation of the

759
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,880
arrangements.
You gotta watch it though,

760
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,560
because it'll be there'll be
really some very the road isn't

761
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,320
that to.
Embedded in, yeah.

762
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,080
With the equals, Yeah, so you
have to.

763
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,640
You have to.
It wouldn't be a good resource

764
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,080
to find out.
Discretion.

765
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Yeah, but.
But some of the stuff it comes

766
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,720
up with, it's pretty remarkable,
you know, if I'm not using

767
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,360
concerning.
To create imagery for our

768
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,360
podcast.
Oh yeah.

769
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,320
Oh, yeah, right, That's.
That's that's been hugely

770
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,090
helpful.
I mean, I mean it takes some

771
00:42:35,330 --> 00:42:39,290
trial and error sometimes to get
something useful, but you know

772
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:42,330
like I was trying to get an
image of a of a fan door, you

773
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:43,730
know, somebody riding on a fan
door.

774
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:49,130
So I so I in my prompt, my
prompt that I put in, I put in

775
00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:54,010
passenger bird, right.
And then then Mid Journey came

776
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:57,370
back with a bird sitting in an
airplane looking out the window

777
00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,300
literal.
Yeah.

778
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:04,740
So it could be very literal.
You're a should mention you're

779
00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:08,660
yeah, you're a digital artist
and a photographer.

780
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:12,620
So you enjoy putting together
works of your ranch of concerts.

781
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:14,860
Yeah.
Where can we go and see some of

782
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:18,420
your?
Work well, I have an Instagram

783
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:19,700
account.
OK.

784
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:22,900
It's Thurston dot Chuck.
All right.

785
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,260
I'll, I'll follow you.
At Thurston dot Chuck.

786
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,380
Yeah, and that's all.
It's just it's just photography.

787
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,280
I've.
Been doing photography for a

788
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,920
long time, so I try to imbue it
with a spiritual sense that it's

789
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,640
not specifically like you're
asking topics and things like

790
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,680
that.
I see you're trying to create

791
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,680
Marancha.
See, that's the attempt at

792
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,840
Marancha, right?
Yeah, I should also give credit

793
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,160
to Derek as well because he puts
together a really nice

794
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,600
production.
I don't know who's behind it,

795
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,920
but I know the behind the scenes
is is crucial to anything and do

796
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,920
you think the there will ever do
you think pop culture will kind

797
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,600
of end it with this?
I want to kind of end it on a

798
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,040
lighter note.
But I, I, I look at the

799
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,760
amazement of the popularity of
things like Star Wars.

800
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Well, it used to be back when it
was a real good Star Trek some

801
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,040
of the stuff.
It seems like the young people

802
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,880
today are ready to start talking
about life on other planets, and

803
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,860
they're kind of assuming that
we're not alone.

804
00:44:23,020 --> 00:44:26,220
It seems like they would be ripe
for a lot of the information

805
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:29,620
that's in the Ranch book, and we
get them very excited about the

806
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:32,260
future.
Yeah, well, that's one of the

807
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:34,020
reasons we're doing this
historical stuff.

808
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:36,180
You know, it's like the ancient
aliens and all that kind of

809
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:38,340
stuff captured people's
imagination.

810
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:41,660
So trying to fill in some of the
real history, which is just as

811
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:46,580
cool, if not cooler stuff they
make up, you know, along those

812
00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:48,730
lines.
I mean, not completely without

813
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:50,250
evidence.
I mean the stuff that, you know,

814
00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:53,570
the Ancient Aliens people, they
do the best they can with the

815
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:55,810
information they have available,
I suppose.

816
00:44:57,170 --> 00:45:00,210
But it's exciting to be able to
talk about those things in a way

817
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:03,250
that actually ties it back to
real history, where you can find

818
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:08,480
like real artifacts that.
So the reality of some of these

819
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,080
things that are described in the
ranch, both that are mistaken to

820
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560
be, well, in a way sort of, you
know, we have been visited and

821
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,840
endowed by, Oh yeah, many times
right off.

822
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Planet off planet.
Gifts of culture and race, even

823
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,840
genetics and things.
So that's real.

824
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,800
That's that's real.
It's just how you understand it

825
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,600
and how you understand the
purpose of it and what's behind

826
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800
it.
That's kind of the key.

827
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:37,470
That's often missing that
there's a divine purpose or you

828
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:39,790
know, that's what's always
missing to it, that that

829
00:45:39,790 --> 00:45:43,110
actually to me is the missing
element to a lot of this ancient

830
00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:44,830
alien stuff.
They they're not clear on the

831
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:47,150
motive.
They think that these people are

832
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:50,510
just popping up and it's like
everything else random, and they

833
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:51,830
just showed up and they found
us.

834
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:56,190
No, no, no, no, no, We are here.
I'll see if I can find this

835
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:58,750
quickly if I can.
I'll be proud of myself, if not

836
00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:02,610
okay, I got inspired.
Like watching ancient Aliens.

837
00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:05,090
It's a fun thing to do.
But here's the literal flat

838
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:07,210
fact.
If you're a drive by that,

839
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:10,770
here's what the ranch book says.
Your ranch is a 600 and 6th

840
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:15,050
world in the 24th system of the
70th constellation in the 84th

841
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:17,770
universe.
Our universe capital is called

842
00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:20,890
Salvington.
It is one of 100,000 local

843
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:25,210
universes in the in the seven
universes which comprise this

844
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:29,910
and make up the entire 7
universes, the current, what do

845
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:31,630
they call it?
It's the Grand Universe.

846
00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:36,790
Havana is the central universe
that encircles the the Isle of

847
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:39,670
Paradise, the dwelling place of
the Universal Father, the

848
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:41,870
Eternal Son, and the Infinite
Spirit.

849
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:43,750
That's about as literal as
you're going to get.

850
00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:49,590
Yeah, and in in in in explaining
just how organized are you.

851
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:52,710
Our universe really is.
Yeah, yeah, totally.

852
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:55,590
Exactly.
So that means there's 600 and

853
00:46:55,870 --> 00:47:00,430
there's 13 planets that have
evolved life since our planet

854
00:47:00,430 --> 00:47:03,110
evolved life, it takes us to
619.

855
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:06,710
So if you divide that by a
billion years, it seems like

856
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:10,630
every million years or so, give
or take, there's a new planet

857
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:12,790
emerging with life.
Now when you look at it from

858
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:16,070
that perspective, it's it's very
literal, it's very physical,

859
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:19,830
It's not very romantic, but it
it makes the point that we're in

860
00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:23,790
an organized system here, right?
This isn't random causation.

861
00:47:24,270 --> 00:47:25,990
I just thought I'd share that
with you, you know?

862
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:26,790
So.
Yeah.

863
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:30,070
Well, to go along with that,
this sort of fascination or

864
00:47:30,070 --> 00:47:37,910
fixation on ETS or UFOs or
extraplanetary mortal species, I

865
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:42,830
think is driven to some extent
and maybe to a large extent by

866
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:46,230
an intuitive desire to
understand the presence of

867
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:50,280
celestial beings.
Because the understanding of the

868
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,240
presence of celestial beings has
been largely lost.

869
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,840
And that's what we really need
to Well, that's what we really

870
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,880
need to know about.
And that's what the eraser both

871
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,360
teaches us about.
You know, about the midwears and

872
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,520
the angels and all these other
beings that we can't see, but

873
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,200
they're here and they're here to
help us.

874
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,680
So I think there's been a kind
of a transposition going on,

875
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:16,520
maybe on an intuitive level or
something where there's urge to

876
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,480
know about celestial life has
been.

877
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:23,830
Sort of twisted into this
fascination with ETS and UFOs.

878
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:27,110
Oh yeah.
Which is not, as I don't think

879
00:48:27,110 --> 00:48:28,670
that has anywhere near the
significance.

880
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:30,310
What's that one?
The.

881
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:34,070
Celestial presence on the planet
The opening of the papers on

882
00:48:34,070 --> 00:48:37,870
this graphic planet Government
at Roll Call today.

883
00:48:38,910 --> 00:48:41,710
Yeah, right, exactly.
They have their morning meeting

884
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:44,830
that they described who attends
and all of that.

885
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:49,690
Yeah, I think my favorite is the
creation of the Andron over

886
00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:54,930
Nebula, where there was actually
a being who went out and filed a

887
00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:58,450
permit.
Yeah, they had to file a permit.

888
00:48:58,450 --> 00:48:59,650
They had to wait for the
paperwork.

889
00:49:02,170 --> 00:49:06,770
But it's real, you know?
It's all just fascinating mind

890
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:08,490
blowing, really.
Really.

891
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:11,250
If you think about that, the
whole thing is mind blowing.

892
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:14,410
And, you know, who knows, Maybe
it didn't come in time to save

893
00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:18,030
this civilization, which I
wonder, you know, remember they

894
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:21,750
said, boy, if Jesus had had come
just maybe a couple of decades

895
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:24,110
earlier, would he been able to
save the Roman Empire?

896
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:31,430
And so I think about that a lot,
you know, But he, he got, he was

897
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:34,590
smart, he, he had the Greeks as
a Plan B.

898
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:36,710
And it worked for him.
Yeah.

899
00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:38,350
Yeah, that was.
Smart.

900
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:42,470
It wasn't what they intended.
But you know, there were

901
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:45,630
workarounds, so he made the best
of the situation as he found it.

902
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:48,630
No question about that.
You know what I found?

903
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:52,110
All this, and Mack Avena was
right there too, you know,

904
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:55,550
constantly, you know, this
battle of wits with Callagaski

905
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:59,510
was going on all the way down.
That's a fascinating aspect too.

906
00:50:00,710 --> 00:50:04,190
Yeah, but it wasn't God's plan
for Jesus to be crucified.

907
00:50:05,550 --> 00:50:07,390
Then it wasn't Melchizedek's
plan either.

908
00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:10,470
And it wasn't Jesus's plan.
It was Caligaski's plan.

909
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:13,750
Yeah.
You know there's a in reading

910
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:16,830
the paper 19.
One reader recommended I read

911
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:21,710
paper 119 which goes through all
the bestowal experiences of

912
00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:25,390
Michael and Oh yeah, and I just
realized after 40 years of

913
00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:29,070
studying this, you know he he
got a lot of of experience

914
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:32,910
working with Rebellion Seared he
did.

915
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:36,190
Yeah, he went into rebellion
situations.

916
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:38,790
Yeah.
I wonder if he had the foresight

917
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:42,260
to think I know where my last
bestowal is going to be, so I

918
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:45,580
better learn as much as I can
about all of this.

919
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:50,140
That's pretty smart.
I don't know.

920
00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:51,180
Yeah.
All right.

921
00:50:51,180 --> 00:50:56,140
Well, again, Chuck Thurston and
just follow him on Instagram and

922
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:57,380
I'm sure you'll find him out
there.

923
00:50:57,380 --> 00:51:01,190
I see him all the time out there
on anything great writings that

924
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:02,470
you have in your work with UV,
yeah.

925
00:51:02,670 --> 00:51:04,950
Mainly is our pod our UBM
channel?

926
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:07,870
Yeah, UVM scurry to the channel
and that's on YouTube.

927
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:09,870
That's where we do it, yeah.
That's where we do our Uranchal

928
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:11,270
stuff.
Yeah, on YouTube.

929
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:13,390
Very good.
Chuck Thurston, ladies and

930
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:15,950
gentlemen, on this edition of
the Uranch Radio Podcast.