Byron Belitsos on Revealed Religion - Getting Academia To Take Notice

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On this episode of the Rancho
Radio podcast.

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I'm excited to announce Byron.
Boletos is joining us.

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Byron is the author of The Great
Book.

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You're evolving soul, and is
about ready to release another

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book called the truth about evil
sin, and the Demonic much to

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discuss on the Rancher Radio
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Byron recently graduated from
Seminary and is also attending

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the American Academy of religion
conference in Washington.

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D.c. marking the first time, in
decades of the Urantia book,

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will have a presence at this.
Acclaimed, conference in our

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interview, we talked about
introducing the Rancho book to

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Academia and why it becomes
necessary to do.

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So, and Byron's opinion to
advance the Revelation.

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And we also talked about evil.
My Byron believe that your Ranch

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book is an answer to the
tumultuous times.

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We find ourselves in so many
more great topics.

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We're going to discuss a lot.
So this time up on the Rancher

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Radio podcast, my guest Byron
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Owes the book is soon to be
released called truths about

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evil sin, and the Demonic.
Right now, we're going to get to

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some some really just brilliant
Pros, that that's part of the

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book and also the academic level
of research that went into this

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book.
Look is more than impressive.

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You know, back to the point is
that up until recently.

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That's exactly what the problem
has been.

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Is that the scientist some has
taken over Academia and they

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feel uncomfortable with anything
that smells of religion.

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And I think that's why we're
having a lot of the problems in

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society today because of this
sort of secular attitude and

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there's all kinds of political
Things about a to.

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So I hope we can talk about all
that, but so you're going to

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this event and it and there was
another caveat to it that you

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had touched upon about the event
itself.

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Yes, you're going.
The fellowship is is bringing

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their guns with them and they're
going to have a.

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So how what is it that these
these these folks do that's a

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different from say Christian
organizations getting together

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at their annual all conclaves.
How is this different from from

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that?
Right.

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This is a non-sectarian in the
sense that academics are

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academics.
They are there doing research in

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any of these areas without
necessarily being Advocates of

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food materials that they're
studying your there so they're

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not preachers right there there
their professors and the

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researchers and you know so it's
like any other academic

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discipline that you Have some
some object of distance for what

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you're studying.
But if you know, if you're

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committed Catholic and you're a
professor at say Georgetown a

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Catholic University.
Yeah, you're espousing

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Catholicism.
But you have a little bit of

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distance otherwise you couldn't
be an academic, you'd be

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something else.
You'd be a you know you'd be an

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Archbishop or you'd be a
preacher.

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So this is the role that one
needs in any field and so I This

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point being that with the coming
back to the ranch or Revelation.

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If the Rancher relation has not
been studied in that way by

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academics.
Who have a methodology for

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research that, that, that they,
at least since the 19th century.

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You know, that we've had
Research into the Bible and

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church history and you name it,
you know, You the philosophy

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religion, you know, and these
are the people that are our

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professors that teach our kids
universities and we want them to

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be informed about anything of
interest and you know you start

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out Jim saying that science
isn't has taken over, you know,

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the culture and Academia but but
these are the religious studies

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people.
So this is our job to, to study

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religion.
You know, they're they're not

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atheist.
Materialists that you might find

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in the physics department.
This is a religion department of

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theology department.
So most of them are theists and

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we, you know, and there's a
methodology for the study of

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theology religion.
That's well, understood worked

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out, you know, there's different
dimensions, there's history

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there sociology, there's you
know, Plum flat-out philosophy.

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You know, philosophy of religion
and philosophical theology.

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This is well Oh yeah.
Will chart a territory?

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And the Rancher book is very
strong in these areas of

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philosophy, religion, and
philosophical theology.

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Sort of History was just
presented history.

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It's almost like a dialogue that
moves along from Century to

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Century and in this century were
debating.

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The thoughts and ideas of those
before us which you bring a lot

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of that to your new soon-to-be
released book, where you're

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going back to st.
Augustine and the arguments that

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they were having been about Free
Will versus, you know, the total

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control in your book, you refer
to that.

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Lot.
And you know, the you depict the

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lessons of job and how they were
argued then versus you know in

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more recent times with Immanuel
Kant and so it is a lot like a

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continuation of a dialogue where
these I assume these professors

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and professional.
I guess you could call them

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professional theologians in a
sense.

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But right where you are.
Yeah, and they're dead and

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they're having these same
debates and how they apply you.

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No, because I would imagine, you
know, you know, and I know that

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it's very politically
contentious.

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I would, I would almost argue
that these kinds of courses have

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to be kind of careful about what
they say, you know, isn't there?

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Sort of a Wolk Wolk - fear of
saying, the wrong thing and

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religion is such a touchy
subject.

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Even if you're teaching it as a
historical, you know, it's bound

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to be Goodbye.
You know, a lot of the political

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political correctness that we
see going on today.

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Do you see any of that?
Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah, sure, you know, but
it's always the case that

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fashion, you know, affects
everybody and everything.

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So you know today's fashion is
be politically correct and woke

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and that's pervasive in all
Departments of universities that

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I can tell.
I mean even like physics or

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genetics.
But when you know, I was in a

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seminary academic setting just
graduated from Union,

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Theological, Seminary was
incredibly agile.

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A quote, by the way.
Thank you.

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Yeah, just a Masters or PhD was
a very woke institution.

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You know, beyond belief and we
find one finds that with these.

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Carly, you know sort of academic
if feet seminaries.

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That they're all sort of left
wing is so to speak.

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Yeah.
And woke and but then on the

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other side are conservative.
Seminaries and, you know,

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centers of theological study to,
you know, and they're not, you

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know, the so there's still
religious freedom in the

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country.
So you do not, you know, long as

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you don't break the, you know,
violate the Civil Rights Act of

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1964 you're going to be okay to
have a conservative Seminary

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somewhere and and and and and
abounds in the country and you

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know, they have their own
professorships, you know, these

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are Very strong thinkers, even
though they're conservative, you

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know, you may not agree with
them and they are the ones to

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that are coming to the academy
American Academy of religion,

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and they have their conclaves
within it, you know, they each

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each denomination Dental meet as
a denomination but they have

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their, you know, their favored
Scholars and they give their

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papers.
And so if you're on the

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Seventh-day Adventist, you know,
they're saying, professors that

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are really great or if you're
Catholic Or if your product, you

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know, if your Lutheran but you
know, they're not advocates for

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their sectarian view, their
advocate for an academic

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understanding of their, you
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And so with the Rancho
revelation, we don't have that

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any of that.
Yeah, yeah, not did not have it.

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There's no presence.
Although I do know we were at

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recently where we have the World
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Was there a presence of your
Rancho represent?

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Maybe that's the problem is we
don't have Then it is like a lot

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of these organizations.
You know, we sort of shied away

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from that organizational
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You know.
There is no, I would maybe

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except for maybe most Siegel I
can't think of anybody else.

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Who would be considered a
spokesperson for the Urantia

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book?
You know what I mean?

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Oh yeah, I know, I think that
they're more than a few that are

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more or less informal but some a
little bit more formal maybe but

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I think it was the you're
speaking of the world.

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Parliament of religion perhaps.
Yeah.

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Well I saw a world traveler is
not an academic no, more of a

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popular thing.
And yeah, it's a good place and

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it but it's not doesn't have the
kind of depth.

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Yeah, I get it.
So you're excited about this is

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for obvious reasons, are you?
What is it that you when you

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want to know which are which are
go Laura Active to have this

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continued year after year and
have have perhaps an inability

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to introduce the Rancho book to
people on the academic level and

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have them taken seriously.
And that's got to be a little

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challenging.
I would imagine, right?

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We call, you know what I mean,
you know, anything to do with,

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you know, with with a new
revelation is challenging and

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that just comes with the
territory.

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If if you, if you can muster the
courage to do that, then you

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shouldn't be in this movement,
although it's fine to read the

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text for yourself.
Nothing wrong with that.

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But yeah.
So, if you're more in involved,

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with Outreach and Mission work,
you need to, you know, you need

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to Target different sectors of
society.

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So, if you want to be really
effective, you target more

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influential sectors of society.
And so, that's my idea.

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Is this is, this is kind of
influential.

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Okay.
Yeah, but and if you shy away

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from it, it means well, either
you again, not not enough

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courage.
Or it means you maybe don't have

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the courage of your convictions,
maybe it doesn't.

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Maybe you'll think it'll hold
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And, and that is why I did the
book, which is really a 20-year

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project, but refined and when I
went back to school, I I was

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interested in sort of the
history of theology, the history

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of religion and but I focus on
the problem of evil in

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particular because that is
Central is not the only big

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problem, but it's a very Central
problem in in religion to see,

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you know, where is the UB stand
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How does it hold up?
Really, if you looked at the

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survey, what has been said all
the way back to job in the Old,

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Testament up to the present, you
know, what are we saying about

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Good and Evil and What it how do
you define it and the you be

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really really holds up quite
well and so in an academic

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setting because when I
introduced this to the

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professors that were on, you
know, when it's a small

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committee when your Masters so
would you give to people in your

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committee and they never could
never heard of the Rancho

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revelation, of course and you
know throughout Academia and

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that was ever heard of it.
So it was you know not easy to

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do.
And but it helped that the older

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than my professors.
Yeah, but you just have to be

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able to talk real fast and fill
in, you know, using their

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language.
And you know, their language is

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right there, it's in the
library.

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It's, this is how they see the
problem of evil.

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Yeah, from there from the
lineage, from the Bible, and

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it's write explicitly.
There.

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And so if you learn their
language, they can learn your

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language you know, because you
can have a dialogue that way.

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And so I entered into this
dialogue on the so-called

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problem evil or theodicy.
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This is going to ask you about
that word theodicy expound on

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that word because I frankly was
not familiar with it.

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Yes, it just technical term, its
professional term and it just

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simply means It's the the
question of evil and how we use

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to how the answer to that
question eggs, you know,

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supports our idea about a good
God, right?

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Is those is much a good, the
goodness of God, but the power

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of God, the omnipotence of God.
So if an omnipotent good, God is

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really the case.
That how come we have so much

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evil?
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If God is good.
And you know, never know that

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was really got a solution to
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of course Jesus had had a
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philosophic solution, really.
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depicts Jesus with a philosophic
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but the Bible doesn't right so
you know right right there you

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right there.
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that the Bible brooches it. and
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philosophic answer but we have
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Rancher book that gives an
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give The academic world, a
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Hey man, we maybe we've got a
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looking for philosophically.
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What, when you really kind of
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what you find out is this is a
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misfortune and his friends came
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suffering and grief.
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actually because of the, you
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because of x y z, right?
So they but their their Theory,

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they gay theodicies.
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And they is all God allows this
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A bad person job and this is
what you deserve a suffering and

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that was the the Aussie was
giving him, which was number

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one.
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Consolation number to a false
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unsound, and the poor guy was
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ideas from his own friends and
totally sort of wave them aside

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and rejected all of their
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And then he had a revelatory
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Where God comes to Him and says,
no, this is how it really is.

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This is how I've designed the
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So have a look at my view, my
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So he reveals who you Peters out
of the world winner reveals a

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theodicy, really?
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here in the book is that the
your Ranch a book is the same

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thing.
The Urantia book is God, coming

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through his, through his angels,
You know, those celestials to

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tell us how God understands good
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consolation and I point out and
it is I knows disputed but the

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the completion of the UB was
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Being here of is that at the
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being Carried out by Hitler.
We were getting a revelation.

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Yeah.
You Ranch Revelation and that's

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that's like the it's like what
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worst hit bottom, then the
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So so the Rancher Revelation
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20th century, really And if you
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rise of the Nazi movement and
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Don't you write in your book
just about what you're saying.

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He say starkly put I believe we
should be open to new revelation

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at this time because our world
needs and indeed has earned a

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Divine rescue and Salvage.
Operation, I'd like to refer to

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such an Outreach effort as the
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Ettore nature of divine
Malaysian and then this, when a

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planet is nearing, the very
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life, the heart of the Creator's
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forth emergency measures such as
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Divine visitation very well put.
And I think you're you're right.

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I mean it seems to be I keep
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better and better man.
When did things start taking a

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turn is what I'm wondering.
Was it the breakdown of the

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family and the 60s Jim where you
are really on the same page and

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stuff like we're the same age
that age group, you you remember

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the 50s that's just peaceful
harmonious secure time and then

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suddenly everything gets upended
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kind of this Regression of the
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90 whatever you think it is.
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it's cyclical that a sense that
the Lucifer Eric Legacy shows up

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in ways, you kind of, you kind
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a decade or two, but it returns
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civilization but they don't last
they're not sustainable.

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you know, Jude ocation of the

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Lucifer Rebellion.
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partially adjudicated or even
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disputed, right?
So, so in any case we, there's

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not much evidence and there's
strong evidence is put it this

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way that the horrendous Evils
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the Holocaust that are still
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of theodicy really is the
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In depth of evils that are
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way if you're in this business
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all-powerful, God can coincide
with, you know, great Wars, that

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better genocide oil does desire.
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people's well, apparently.
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it's going to happen again and
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Since the Holocaust it's a hard
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It's not to mean that he's not
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know that Christ said he'll go
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he's in it to win it.
He's in peas have bested partner

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in that sense.
So you know and obviously the

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thought adjusters have a real
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they have to go through it.
It'll work.

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Yeah.
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I want to get back to that
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going through the process of the
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How consistent was the ranch?
A book to you did it?

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Hold up.
Did it have the right argument?

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Yeah I think that they hold up,
they throat phrase they held up

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against the other theodicies
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Well known, you know, since
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biblical origin.
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biblical so it holds up in
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or seven kinds actually that
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2,000 years.
So, types of theodicies, not

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only does the Rancher book
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but it synthesizes them.
That's what's really beautiful

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and almost hard to believe that.
I think I've shown and my

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professors who have never heard
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You know, endorsed actually is
that the UB is the best of the

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theodicies of the past including
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Aquinas, including Luther
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thinkers and then right up to
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these are the also human
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Don't forget of the UB itself.
I mean Augustine and Luther are

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human sources that not that
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quoted but that The spirit and
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are reflected in the you be
there, but they're transcended

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as well.
So they're included and

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transcended in the UB.
UB is a synthesis of our

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tradition.
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this problem, probably so-called
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I think the book shows that you
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Christians even you know Jewish
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This is our tradition
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fulfilled even in a new
revelatory text that is not just

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some new age thing out of the
blow.

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This is something that's rooted
in our entire tradition from the

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time of Jesus's, Saint on Earth
and it's what it should be.

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I mean otherwise it's just
irrelevant New Age, Donald kind

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of as Meredith prior once said
gobbledygook.

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Yeah.
Anyway you know new age has got

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a purpose you know for
consolation for people who are

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not necessarily people deeply
thoughtful but but it it has a

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place.
But yeah, I mean, you know, it's

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part, you know, partial truths
are still something and new age

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because I was a new age
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Not nothing, you know, but you
need philosophic depth and

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philosophic, you need to unify
your ideas and we call that

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theology.
How does all of this amount to

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something which we can give as a
discourse.

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That really works.
It really supports people to

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their faith and their
consolation a particularly when

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you're facing, you know, you you
live in a hurricane area for

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Myers, you know?
You, you know you have a big

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decision.
Master there.

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So, how does your face survive
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Like that?
Hey, you know, I'll tell you

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something just as an aside, I
there was a certain kind of, and

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I know this sounds strange, but
I think I wrote a brief paper on

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it or something the in getting a
glimpse of the eye of the

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hurricane which I was able to
kind of see within like 10

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miles.
I could see the light coming

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through but not exactly, you
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Bye.
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it's so calm and peaceful in the
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It's a lot like paradise.
It's a lot like paradise because

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in the model of paradise you
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That's spinning around it in the
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superuniverses.
We're all this life is happening

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and, and the force of life is
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It, it came through and it, you
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that humans were here.
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It click it, took anything.
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aside from the mass of the
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Everything else was clean, the
water was clean, the trees were

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clean and I thought, you know,
this is and I'm that's that's

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how my faith sort of dealt with
the whatever you could call it

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the trauma.
Because to me, there was a,

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there was a metaphorical
perspective which Immanuel Kant

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used to talk about where he
says, when you see if I think it

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was conned, He said when you see
like when you see a rainbow or

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you see a magnificent waterfall
or something, you're you're

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peeking into the them, the eye
of divinity, you're seeing a

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glimpse of deity, you know?
And that's what I did.

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I saw a glimpse of deity in this
her otherwise horrific, you

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know, weather phenomena.
So and that comes from the

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teachings of the Urantia book.
See when you when you study them

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long enough and then things do
happen, your mind.

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Refers to something that it
learned either through Jesus

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teachings or the ranch book, at
least that's my experience.

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So, you know, they're not at
that is really the like a method

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that the Urantia book teaches
us, which is that the light is

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there, even if you can barely
see it, but it may be obscured

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for now, but the omnipotent
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Hunt, however, don't forget that
that that's in the central

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Universe.
You know, the father rules

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imperfection and all the beings
are perfect or, you know,

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perfected beings, but outside
of, so you of the center

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Universe, it's the domain of the
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And so in evolutionary planets,
there's lots of lots of lots of

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grief, and darkness and
suffering, Ring.

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But yes, the at the center of
this is Paradise.

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And it's light.
So how do we give consolation to

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people who are facing the kind
of perils that we have now on

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the planet we're really
accumulating dark clouds and so

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that's why I also, you know,
call for in the book and

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elsewhere that your Ranch and
should get involved in

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ministries direct Ministries
open Ministries, using the

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Rancho text.
To provide hope and consolation

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in these times are difficult
times but we're not yet doing it

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and many of us aspire to do it,
but we're not doing it.

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So what I'm trying to do is at
least have a academic support

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for that which in other words
you if you had a fee logical

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Center to train people, you
could train ministers who really

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understand the Rancho text in
relation to the biblical text

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who can be these kind of
teachers and preachers.

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You know, we cuz we're going to
have climate change is going to,

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you know, just what visited you
in Fort Myers and so much so

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much to deal with in the coming
decade.

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And to two decades, that we
really need an updated picture

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of God's love for us despite the
apparent evils.

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And in fact that that God
doesn't permit the evils but But

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creates a context in, which
humans can outwork with working

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with these elements.
Their free will their freedom,

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but with the necessities of life
that are not necessarily going

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to be provided, you know,
without human effort.

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So it's kind of a long-winded
way of saying, you know, what we

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need, we need to, we need to
become leaders in our in our

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current culture and stop being
underground with and timid.

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Yeah, with our revelation.
You know, I was there were two

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Divergent questions depending on
which one you want to answer.

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My first is going back to the
Lucifer, the luciferian concept

447
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,700
of unbridled self Liberty, which
I think is what we're

448
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:09,800
experiencing now.
And that's why everything is off

449
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,700
the rails, you know?
But I also thought I would go

450
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,300
into the direction of what you
were saying about coming out of

451
00:30:18,308 --> 00:30:20,800
the shadows.
And how do we do that?

452
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,000
When we You know, to me there,
this is going to be a process

453
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,300
that takes, maybe a thousand
years because it seems to me

454
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,700
that the people at large would
not be yet quite prepared for

455
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,100
these Concepts that are in the
Rancho book now, they may change

456
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,200
their mind when they start to
discovering that there is life

457
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,500
in abundance in the universe,
you know, when we start

458
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,200
detecting life on other planets
but that's, you know, decades

459
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,900
away, probably.
But eventually I think the

460
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,200
reality of the Rancho book will
catch up to the people and

461
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600
they'll start to see.
Oh, okay, well, but we can't

462
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,000
even have discussions about race
as they're depicted, any Ranch,

463
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,300
teachings or the book.
No, we can't have gender

464
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,700
conversations because anybody
reads the Urantia book would

465
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:13,100
would would automatically
understand that.

466
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:17,300
This whole transgender movement
is attaching itself to the

467
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,600
luciferian concept of unbridled
self-liberation.

468
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Taking your own reality and
running with it.

469
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,100
That's counter to the teachings
of the Urantia book.

470
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,300
Right?
You have to recognize your what

471
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,500
is they could call your Cosmic
obligations?

472
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
You know?
Yo, you know this wasn't just

473
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,300
created for us to be able to
turn our hair purple and walk

474
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:42,100
around and identify is, is
unknown objects.

475
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,100
You know, I mean, this is what
we, this is what we've become in

476
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:49,700
our world today and it's, I
think I mentioned it somewhere,

477
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:54,100
you know, God, God isn't in the
room and that I think when, when

478
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:57,600
that happens, you know, the
nature abhors a vacuum.

479
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,400
It's To get filled with
something and it's being in my

480
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,700
opinion and I'd love to get your
take on.

481
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:08,500
This is, you know, the Rancho
book would be spit on.

482
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,700
I mean how dare you say God the
father as if fathers are the

483
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:17,300
only things that can be God.
I mean there's no can't even get

484
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:22,300
past that discussion.
So how do you know?

485
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,100
I mean, you just have to do it,
you have to get past it, you

486
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,000
have to answer it.
You have to have the chops to do

487
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,400
it.
You have to have the training to

488
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,200
do it and to Prevail in these
discussions, that's the reason

489
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,100
why we need to have academics
involved in the sense that they

490
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,700
can.
If you make these distinctions,

491
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,900
in other words you're an
undergraduate somewhere or you

492
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,400
know, more likely a graduate
student in religion Theology.

493
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,500
And the professor says, now
we're going to spend a week on

494
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,900
the ranch or Revelation.
I'm not sure what it is.

495
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,400
But man is it have a lot of
depth theologically.

496
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,200
So we're going to expound on
that this week and we want you

497
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
to read these excerpts.
This is what ought to be

498
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,100
happening in these programs and
these academic programs kids

499
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,500
should be trained in what the
ranch a book teaches on these

500
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,900
subjects.
I would say that's that

501
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:15,400
imperative and it's inexcusable
really that the academic

502
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800
Community doesn't know and is
not examine this, so that's what

503
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,300
I did.
But I want to backtrack a little

504
00:33:21,308 --> 00:33:25,400
bit on another aspect of what
you're saying, which is, there

505
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400
was a consensus sufficient to
hold culture.

506
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:35,400
Our culture's together in the
40s, 50s early 60s, which you

507
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,000
and I are on the same page about
and you can tell when you look

508
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,500
at the Cultural, you know,
signposts of that period, for

509
00:33:43,508 --> 00:33:48,500
example, movies in the 40s and
50s, you can feel the sense that

510
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:52,900
there was a solidarity and
consensus culturally about what

511
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,600
was good and what was bad.
Yeah, because the bad guys were

512
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,200
bad guys.
And the good guys were good,

513
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,000
guys, and mainly, but but it was
not, it was not Sunday school.

514
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,100
It was, you know, sophisticated
stories.

515
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:11,300
Now we don't have that kind of
sense of solidarity and unity in

516
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,600
the culture.
We have a breakdown of this and

517
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,500
that's because Christianity
itself has run out of steam.

518
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:23,100
You know, the Christian culture
has lost its legitimacy with the

519
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,100
elites, right?
I mean they you know the the

520
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,300
mainline church has declined
about 80% in membership since

521
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:37,199
1960 and that was the elite
consensus was the mainline

522
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:45,199
Protestant church.
Yeah, we had a period of

523
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:49,500
solidarity.
Yeah, yeah, peace solidarity,

524
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:54,800
Prosperity cultural grima,
General cultural agreement, with

525
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400
big exceptions, you know,
around, you know, civil rights,

526
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,500
for example.
But but enough that there was a

527
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:05,700
sense of feeling of belonging
that everybody had except those

528
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,700
those minorities and then their
rights were then recognized in

529
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:10,200
the 60s. 70s.
Right?

530
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,300
So it should have it should have
been sufficient for cultural

531
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,500
Unity but it wasn't sufficient
because the church ran ran out

532
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:24,500
of credibility by that time.
So so people are just anything

533
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:29,300
goes really and yeah well I
think you had the one word your

534
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,200
maybe could include in.
This is the breakdown of the

535
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,100
family because the part of that
solidarity, came from the

536
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,400
recognized.
You know, there was a moral

537
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,900
obligation Right?
Or wrongly constructed, or

538
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:46,600
otherwise that you the proper
way was to have a family that

539
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,100
family was very important.
And that it was the family where

540
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,200
real social structure sort of,
you know, gets built and we've

541
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,000
lost that sense.
Now family is it can be any

542
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,400
variation of things.
Now, I'm not just specifically

543
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,000
saying that, but that that
community of family is seems to

544
00:36:07,008 --> 00:36:09,300
be shattered.
And I don't know.

545
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:13,000
II don't know if it's part of
the evolutionary growth.

546
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,700
Maybe we're maybe we'll become a
different kind of society with

547
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,000
different kinds of families in
the future, I don't know, maybe

548
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,900
we'll produce babies in the
factory.

549
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:25,500
I don't know where the world is
headed, you know,

550
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,900
scientifically.
The whole point of male and

551
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:32,200
female is moot because you can
go down and get you know, you

552
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:39,300
could get yourself inseminated.
So and so, even that is proved

553
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,300
An unsettling, I think, for the
world because we're grappling

554
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:50,000
with new rules to the game.
We call this the post post

555
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,600
modernism, right?
Where there really isn't any set

556
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:57,000
boundaries or structures that we
can rely on.

557
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,600
For example, that genders have
fears as you read your book

558
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,600
calls it, right?
That is a structure here that we

559
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,500
call feminine.
Another structure, we call

560
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:09,000
masculine.
And in fact, it's upheld by the

561
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
funked, the kind of body
functions that we see in the

562
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,300
Divine mother mother Spirit
functions differently than Then

563
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:20,100
Christ, Michael he function, he
has different things that Christ

564
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,800
Michael does because he's
nasties in the masculine

565
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,100
archetype.
So that kind of structure is

566
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,200
well, when you quote, the it's
completely, then you anything

567
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,300
goes in this?
Yeah, go ahead.

568
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:37,400
No, that's well, put that's well
put but and I also wanted to

569
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,200
mention this.
Do you know, or are you aware of

570
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,000
the Rancho book meeting being
taught in any colleges?

571
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,600
I believe it.
Angie Thurston.

572
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:51,400
And it was involved in some
Outreach in Boston but I don't

573
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,200
know enough on that but
certainly the Urantia book must

574
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,600
be being taught in college.
No no I'm not aware I don't

575
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,100
think it is that that's really
kind of my one of my main

576
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,500
complaints and you know, and
Angie introduce the you be at

577
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:16,600
Harvard Divinity School and you
know, her charisma So abilities

578
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,600
and she had a lot of inroads but
she didn't, it was never taught

579
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,300
there but she's just simply set
up a study group which still is

580
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,800
still there.
And then one or two professors

581
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,700
were friendly to it.
But no, it's not taught at

582
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,700
Harvard and it's not taught
anywhere.

583
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:36,300
And that's that's the tragedy of
our movement is that it is not

584
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,600
taught to young people, they
have no idea about it.

585
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,500
And again, this is back to this
notion of stuff structures,

586
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,200
right?
So that if the structure of for

587
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,800
culture, Sure, is that there are
certain centers of cultural

588
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:56,800
wisdom and dissemination called
universities, and universities

589
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,700
are places where the rent.
The Rancher was really designed

590
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:01,500
for University study.
Yeah.

591
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:05,100
And it's it provides you with
something that is a bulwark

592
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:10,800
against postmodern, postmodern
sentiments, which is a really,

593
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,900
you know, what we call Post
truth Society, right there

594
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,200
really are no true.
They're just fungible, you know,

595
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,600
perspectives it, anybody can
have any perspective and they're

596
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,400
all kind of valid.
Your truth is my truth, right?

597
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:26,500
Yeah.
You hear that?

598
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,100
It's do your own thing and that,
that came from the 60s, more or

599
00:39:33,108 --> 00:39:36,600
less, but it came into Academia
and I was present in, saw it

600
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,700
come into Academia, where, you
know, the, the what were

601
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,700
considered facts for centuries?
Were question.

602
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:48,700
Now, these really aren't facts.
These are just Power gains be

603
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:52,900
played by by certain powerful
groups so that whatever you see

604
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:57,300
in the Bible with just because
somebody one power, you know,

605
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,400
the fourth Century, you know,
because they had a conclave and

606
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,600
they said this is what the truth
is.

607
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,200
But we all know that was just
their Will To Power.

608
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,700
They were trying to take over
the Roman Empire, right?

609
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:10,500
So this is how they began to
point.

610
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:12,400
Yeah.
Cast doubt on the Bible.

611
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,400
Right?
So once the Bible becomes what

612
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,800
just Other sort of piece of
propaganda.

613
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,800
You then what are you going to
stand on?

614
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Well, guess what?
We got a new revelation.

615
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,500
We got kind of a new modern
Bible that can fit the bill.

616
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:37,100
But it was not, it was not
promulgated to the to those,

617
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,100
those leaders.
In those Elites, it was not

618
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,900
done, it was not done, it was,
it was evaded and it's a

619
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,000
responsibility that was evaded
for reasons.

620
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,100
You know, maybe good reasons
that, you know, but it was was

621
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:54,100
not accomplished.
So we have a deficit here.

622
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:58,000
We have, we have to remediate
and it's never too late.

623
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,200
In my view, especially since it
purports to be a Divine and

624
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,500
ethical Revelation.
I means somewhere in Academia,

625
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,500
somebody has to me that that's
the screaming, headline, God

626
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:16,400
speaks, and you make the point
again in your book that you know

627
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:20,400
it's an appropriate response to
a people who are going through

628
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,200
this sort of ideological
struggle.

629
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,700
I mean they certainly recognize
that we're going through the

630
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,700
ideological struggle and so So
this is their answer to that,

631
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:34,900
but it's going to take a little
time because we're our language.

632
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,400
We don't have the concepts of a
local universe or constellations

633
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,500
and system sovereigns, we don't
have the concepts of the

634
00:41:43,508 --> 00:41:49,100
hierarchy of of, I remember one
of the early criticism to Sadler

635
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,400
that he received when he tried
to introduce the book to his

636
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:55,900
fellows and Sadler was a true
academic.

637
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,600
I mean, the guy had how many
phds did he?

638
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,600
He have and his wife Linda I
mean they were brilliant

639
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,900
well-respected.
I don't think of them as

640
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,600
academics but they were great
thinkers, whether they were

641
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,100
Innovative in trend-setting for
their further time and age

642
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,500
especially in health and things
of that nature.

643
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,400
So but they were getting pushed
back saying, you know you it's

644
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,000
to Gnostic I mean what is it
with all these you know even

645
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,200
even Meredith who I've spoken
now three or four times a real

646
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,200
important mentor to me in my
early years is It that he even

647
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,600
put it away when when he was
first given the book, it wasn't

648
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,000
until he actually read the part
about Jesus, and the Twelve

649
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,300
Apostles that he went.
Wow, who wrote this.

650
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,900
So I'll ask you Byron.
What was your wow moment.

651
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:58,500
Oh, I guess it was part for when
you feel really you know what?

652
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:03,000
I was the young man and had a
summer with nothing to do,

653
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,800
especially, so I was able to
read that straight through.

654
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,300
So I think everybody anyone
reads for four straight through,

655
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,900
that's that's going to be a
while.

656
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:17,200
Moser was for me transformative.
Now it makes a difference of the

657
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,700
timing because that was the 70s.
When people still believed in

658
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:25,300
these things, we still believe
in this guy Jesus and the

659
00:43:25,308 --> 00:43:29,500
biblical account was not
invalidated Entirely.

660
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:33,700
So, social harder now because
it's like, well, totally out of

661
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:38,000
context and who cares about
biblical realities anymore.

662
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,800
Among most people, many people.
But anyway, that was the moment.

663
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,900
My wow moment was parked for,
for sure.

664
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:53,800
Yeah, I think my wow moment was
part one but just because that

665
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,800
just the way the word it just it
wreaked of authority.

666
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,100
Like whoever wrote this Knew
what they were talking about.

667
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,100
So who am I?
That's one of the things that

668
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,300
believe it or not Byron.
I get reassurance.

669
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,800
I can tell from the quality of
your writing and your research

670
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,300
that you put into not only this
book but your previous book and

671
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,800
it you're a smarter man.
So I guess if you're smarter

672
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,900
than me, and you think that your
answer book is a revelation, who

673
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:33,500
am I to disagree?
I'm glad you are someone who has

674
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:37,000
good and could disagree if
there's no authorities here.

675
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,000
And and but what, what I would
appeal to is a consensus among

676
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,600
Community, is what it's not
about any particular leader or

677
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,700
person or writer, because he can
have idiosyncratic in a people

678
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:53,300
rise up and say, you know, this,
you know, have a cultish kind of

679
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,200
focus on a person who says, this
is true or not.

680
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,500
True.
I'm not.

681
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,100
Personally, I have no, Trust in
that.

682
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:04,400
I'm interested in the community
of cultural community and

683
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200
religious community that is
working on this as a team and A

684
00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:14,600
Team like way that you can
support each other as we have

685
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,600
these challenges, but if you're
just stand alone, doing this and

686
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,300
going out to your local, you
know, professor of Theology and

687
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,100
you're nobody, you're walking in
with this big book.

688
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,200
It's a terrible way to do.
You're just what we need to do,

689
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,200
is You need to be able to say we
have an entire community of

690
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,300
Scholars who've written articles
in your journals about this.

691
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,500
So we'll look those up and
you'll see that we know we're

692
00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,900
talking about not only that we
also know what you're talking

693
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,600
about.
We know the tradition that

694
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,900
you're talking about but we have
something to add to your

695
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:53,800
tradition rather than we have we
have the final we have the

696
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800
ultimate state that isn't what
this is, not the ultimate, the

697
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,700
Standalone at all.
Is it standing on the shoulders

698
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,300
of the tradition, particularly
the Christian tradition?

699
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,700
So that we need to be able to
tell them?

700
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Is your tradition that we are
ratifying and also, we're

701
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,300
sorting it out.
There are parts that like the

702
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:18,400
atonement Doctrine.
You know, that's not, that's

703
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:23,000
needs to be put aside, okay?
The patriarchal male oriented

704
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,800
religion that needs to be put
aside in a certain things I need

705
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,200
to be corrected but in the Aim
your teachings of Jesus in the

706
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,700
New Testament are really good
and we are on that.

707
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:38,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good point.

708
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,800
But, you know, is there enough?
Validation is there enough

709
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,600
evidence?
Somebody would say, well, prove

710
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,000
to me that this year, Ranch, a
book has is a revelatory

711
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,500
document.
Now I personally can point to

712
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,800
probably a half a dozen
revelatory statements, I'm sure

713
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,300
you can too.
Is there enough evidence to

714
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,200
support that claim?
I mean, People have said, you

715
00:47:00,208 --> 00:47:04,400
know, judge the Urantia book on
the Merit of its contents and

716
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,000
you will see are you satisfied
intellectually that it proves

717
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,000
its case?
I don't think I am in the in the

718
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,800
narrow sense that the within
from within the text you can

719
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,700
prove the text.
I don't think that works.

720
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:27,400
It could work in certain
circumstances but I think it has

721
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:33,400
to be Call intertextual.
Rather than textual in other

722
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:39,000
words that how does it correlate
with Luther Augustine, the

723
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,800
Bible, Hagel Kant.
How does it speak to those

724
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,800
problems?
The problems that these these

725
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,600
men highlighted that's
intertextual that's what I'm

726
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,600
doing in my book.
I'm not just you know

727
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,100
celebrating the beautiful your
Ranch revelation.

728
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,500
We have to stop just doing that
and isolation.

729
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,800
That can't work.
That's no proof their number

730
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:00,700
one.
Number two.

731
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:05,400
You need to be able to point to
the fruits of the text, the

732
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,700
fruits of the Revelation.
You need to be able to say,

733
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,200
look, we have a thriving
Community here.

734
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:12,900
Look at the charitable works
that we're doing.

735
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:17,600
Look at the look at, look at the
way we're influencing, you know,

736
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,700
whatever may be in society and
politics.

737
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,300
You can't really point to that
right now.

738
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,100
You know, you can't take
somebody to a study group in a

739
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:31,500
study group isn't going to be
sufficient proof of fruits of

740
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:36,100
the spirit, you know.
So that's there's many, many big

741
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,400
problems here.
So the text itself doesn't stand

742
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,400
alone on its own nor and the
community is not yet mature

743
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,400
enough to exhibit the fruits of
the spirit that would attract

744
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,400
people through that through that
vehicle.

745
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,300
I'm sure you're familiar dr.
Philip Calabrese did a

746
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:59,700
statistical analysis of
statements that were unverified

747
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:01,400
at the time that your answer
book was written.

748
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,800
And he played it 1955.
So anything that was discovered

749
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:12,400
after 1955 and he did a
statistical analysis of.

750
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,700
I think there are maybe 15
different things that were

751
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:20,600
stated in the ranch a book that
were not conclusive by the The

752
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,200
community until after the
publication of the book.

753
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,600
So it lends itself to the sort
of prophetic, how could they

754
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,400
have predicted?
This would be an established

755
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,100
fact.
So for example, Pangea was still

756
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,500
sort of a theory but it wasn't
until 1962 that we conclusively.

757
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,900
Knew that there was, you know,
continental drift and so forth

758
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:44,800
and his, his analysis as a
mathematician, which is

759
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,900
interesting.
Was that there was a 50 million

760
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,800
to one odds.
That whoever wrote, the book

761
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,800
would have been systematically.
Correct on those numbers of

762
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,200
things that they stated as fact
and in also, ignoring things was

763
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,900
that one discovery that turned
out to be fake of skeletal

764
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,200
remains, I can't remember.
Yeah.

765
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,800
But anyway, it's an interesting,
you know, from a mathematical

766
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,600
equation, he points that out.
So for if you're not familiar

767
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,400
with it, I think you are, I'm
sure you've.

768
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,700
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm very familiar
with it and but I'm very

769
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,800
compelling Think it's compelling
for the Believers but it's not

770
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,300
compelling outside.
The reason I say it is number

771
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:31,600
one, he is a Believer number
one, number two, there isn't any

772
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,700
external.
There isn't a peer review

773
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:41,300
process for his work.
So what we now need is it peer

774
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,200
review?
Oh yeah, I like that of this

775
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,600
kind of work it and it's not not
like rockets.

776
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,500
I this is how everything is
done.

777
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:51,100
This is how you do your son so
you do you.

778
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,700
So you need to have a as I'm
saying a community of with a

779
00:50:55,708 --> 00:50:59,500
discourse where there is a lot
of agreement than there's a lot

780
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,200
of depth, but it's not a lot of
depth to have one isolated

781
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,200
mathematician.
Who's already a Believer making

782
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,200
these claims?
It's not theirs.

783
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:12,200
It's definitely he's going to be
biased, right?

784
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,200
I mean they, obviously your bias
is towards proving your your

785
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,800
assertion, and that's it.
Yeah, it's just not, it's what

786
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,500
effect does is this is sectarian
Behavior.

787
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:28,100
But I mean, the good sense, I
mean I love insulin is work and

788
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:33,200
everything but it's where a sect
that were not part of the larger

789
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,600
discourse of.
Of people who theistic

790
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,800
Christians, we're not in that
because we don't have peer

791
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,400
review.
So if what reason I'm again,

792
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,500
going to this academic
conferences, to begin to start

793
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:55,300
this process of letting other
peer peers, who are academics,

794
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,200
work with us, look at our data.
Look at, look at what fills

795
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,100
their look at my book.
Whatever review it, pass it

796
00:52:04,100 --> 00:52:06,700
around.
Then you then you begin to get

797
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,300
something to has credibility but
you can't have Standalone.

798
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:11,400
Yeah.
You know, profits like I need

799
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,300
profits have a place for sure
but profits are not do not

800
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:18,500
constitute.
The culture of the culture has

801
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:23,700
to respond to the to these
leaders and then develop the

802
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,100
consensus of solidarity that we
right now don't have.

803
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:30,400
But we will have yeah well I
think you're a little bit more

804
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,800
optimistic about academics than
I am because my experience with

805
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:41,100
X is that they have their own
built-in bias and they're very

806
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,700
what's the word?
They don't want to be out of

807
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:49,000
step with their contemporaries
and now more than ever because

808
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:53,900
environmentalism and it has been
infected by politics Pharma has

809
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,200
been infected by the profit
motive.

810
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,200
And by politics, everybody's got
a piece of the pie and nobody's

811
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,700
going to step out.
And you have to have a certain

812
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:04,700
amount of Faith walking into
this.

813
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,800
Book, I would say, I mean, it
sounds to me like in your, in

814
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,400
your experience, the Urantia
book is a matter of faith.

815
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:17,000
I mean, you have to kind of
believe that their death is

816
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,000
possible for this reality to be
true and and it and you can't

817
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,100
prove it by its own.
What you've just said is that

818
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,500
that even Calabrese is stuff is
biased.

819
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,300
So would it stand up to peer
review, how could you peer

820
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:38,200
review for example, the paper On
the celestial Artisans.

821
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,700
Couldn't tell right?
You couldn't.

822
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:45,800
Well, here you would have a
tough time but you would, you

823
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,900
know, you anything goes I'm in a
sense of Academia.

824
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:54,000
You can take on any problem.
That would be one, I wouldn't do

825
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,900
first, but I would certainly
look at its claims about Christ.

826
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,600
That is a plausibility in the
idea that Christ would say such

827
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,700
things, is there a possibility
in the idea that That say, there

828
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:10,300
were women.
Apostles you know the woman's

829
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,700
evangelist is that set a
plausible idea or is that just

830
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:21,200
some freakish off-the-wall New
Age idea and that's that's not

831
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,800
such a stretch for a scholar or
you know more I think more

832
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,600
important.
Let's look at the Theology of

833
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,700
the Urantia book is that a
contribution to theology it?

834
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:38,000
Or is it just you know, some
19th century ideas ideas of Just

835
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,500
Sadler's ideas.
Well, if you if you drill down

836
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:43,800
into currency, ology the Rancher
books.

837
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Theology saw some big problems
that are not solved, especially

838
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,100
evolutionary deity and there
were suggestions of evolutionary

839
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,400
deity, very strongly and
whiteheads.

840
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:01,700
Work-in-process theology is very
well established but the Rancho

841
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:04,700
book has much more to say about
evolutionary deity.

842
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:08,800
Then even Whitehead.
We can, you know, that does.

843
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,500
So I presented the ranch book to
a leading scholar in process

844
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:18,600
Theology and this person's
fairly excited and I will I will

845
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:23,100
meet this professor in Denver at
the par-5 who's like, wow, this

846
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:24,700
is interesting.
You guys came up with this and

847
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:28,400
that that's what white head came
up with and you guys extended in

848
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,800
these directions.
And so you can find it, you

849
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,200
build these Bridges where you
may not have thought because

850
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,000
evolution Has really begun to
validate the the Urantia book

851
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,800
and evolution of theology is
validating the Rancho Theology

852
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,100
and the science according to
Calabrese is also being

853
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:54,400
validated.
So we just need to step out and

854
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,100
be willing to take the arrows of
criticism.

855
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,200
Yeah that's that's the thing is
we have to be willing to do that

856
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,000
and I think it's a good thing
that you're going because you

857
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,900
put that you put a very good
face on The credibility of the

858
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:09,800
Rancho book.
Which could you know, and in

859
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,300
line with that part 3 of the
Urantia book.

860
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:16,600
There's a statement, the authors
say the the historical records

861
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,300
of this.
What is stated here?

862
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:23,100
The statements Will Stand The
Testament of time or the test of

863
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:27,200
time and so I take that to mean
that there's a lot of Discovery

864
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,000
to be made in the Rancho book
particularly part 3 in The

865
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,300
Sciences, even going back to,
you know, the origins of our sun

866
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:39,300
and the nebula.
And, and correlating the big

867
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:42,700
bang, and trying to figure out.
There's just the it's up to me,

868
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:46,300
if, as a scientist, if somebody
handed me a book and said, you

869
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:49,500
know, if you read about the
geological history book, you

870
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,400
might learn something from this
book, that could help you in a

871
00:56:52,408 --> 00:56:56,300
discovery of something that
could further along, you know,

872
00:56:56,300 --> 00:57:00,300
that that particular discipline.
And I think that's what also

873
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:04,000
needs to take places.
People need to find evidence in

874
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
this book.
That's that, that how did this

875
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,400
book?
No this.

876
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:11,500
How did they know that there's
Shale all over?

877
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:13,600
Can you know, Kentucky, who knew
about?

878
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:17,100
You know what I'm saying?
And they describe, you know, and

879
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:21,700
I think there's there are Nobel
prizes to be won just by

880
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:27,000
applying some of the, some of
the clues that the that are

881
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,600
contained in the book to me,
that to me is exciting.

882
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,100
The astronomical information
that they have the types of

883
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,000
planets that have different
kinds of Worlds could help us.

884
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:41,100
Maybe Look a little deeper at
certain or you know, they're

885
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:46,600
discovering planets all the time
that are in that Goldilocks zone

886
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,900
all the time and in this your
Angela puts a face on that.

887
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,800
And you know, there are planets
where you have three foot high

888
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:59,000
people that are not necessarily
descendant from lemur like they

889
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,800
have different, you know, that
to me just opens up a lot of

890
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,200
different worlds of Discovery.
So hopefully, this will be a big

891
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,800
first step in that direction.
Erection because I think that

892
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,700
would help validate at least
Drive some curiosity and and

893
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:15,300
then do what you say, the peer
review.

894
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:17,300
I think that's important.
Yeah.

895
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,300
Thank you saying and so well
said and you know I think so

896
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:25,100
those are actually career
directions for young people

897
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:29,200
coming up is like, hey man, I'm
going to base my career on what

898
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,900
the Rancher book says about the
location of Eden.

899
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:36,300
Yeah, for example and you know
that connection as you know,

900
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,100
there's been too Additions to
the site.

901
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,400
Yep.
You know the second was funded

902
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,400
by the History Channel and you
know scientists were aboard that

903
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,700
ship and really the problem
there was the equipment

904
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:51,900
malfunction and you know but
that's a very interesting

905
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:58,500
invalid pursuit of scientific
geological or archaeological

906
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:02,700
Pursuit just by itself.
Could be somebody's career in

907
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:07,500
archaeology and fact we involved
with that.

908
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,800
Project and its really been
revived.

909
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,200
I'd say because of the new
interpretation of the data that

910
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:20,500
Captain Robert Bates is put out
in a book called the Eden

911
00:59:20,500 --> 00:59:24,700
Atlantis project and it's just
another example of these areas

912
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:30,100
where we need to look at what
what what the legacy is and then

913
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:33,200
correlated with the UB.
We in this case, in Roberts, our

914
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,500
mask looked at Plato's Legacy
and everybody else to talk to

915
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:39,200
Atlantis.
Right?

916
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,400
And then correlated it with real
data with the guidance of the

917
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,200
ranch book.
So, you know, it's just, there's

918
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:50,400
a hundred things like that that
are waiting for us to have the

919
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,100
courage to take.
Take them on.

920
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,000
Did I ask you since you're
you're aware that project.

921
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,700
I've always been curious.
I don't know whether it was

922
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:02,300
Howard Katz, ins stuff that he
did early on.

923
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:07,200
But it is am I right in guessing
that the peninsula?

924
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:13,000
Of the edenic peninsula is off
the coast of Latakia in Syria.

925
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:18,800
There's like a drop off cliff
where you could actually almost

926
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,800
kind of see the curvature of an
inland now.

927
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,500
Submerged Inland or is it
somewhere else?

928
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:28,200
Do you do we know where the
actual or would he do?

929
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,200
He's suspect from Bates and
sorry, Mass work that that we

930
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,900
know approximately where Eden is
located.

931
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:40,500
Yeah, we have a Divergence
between the two star Masters

932
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:42,400
you.
I guess you were alluding to

933
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:47,200
came out recently and said, you
know, we really have the wrong

934
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:52,800
area of Eastern Mediterranean
and if you're referring to that,

935
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:59,200
yeah, we we being rubber baits
and and I, yeah, I agree with

936
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:05,700
him on that respectfully and
based on the data, and the

937
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,100
analysis.
The data that already been

938
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:11,600
obtained.
We think that there's a very

939
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,100
strong indication that we were
right, that he was right in the

940
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:19,800
first expedition and and so baby
might want have Bates.

941
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,600
Come on your show because he's
active and I'm working with a

942
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,900
moose was a few other people
including a couple of

943
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:31,900
archaeologists and I have come
to our son and and he is really

944
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:34,700
strong on this in the book that
he put out, which I helped him

945
01:01:34,708 --> 01:01:38,400
with was very strong and not
well received in the Rancher

946
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,400
Community for whatever reason.
But it's a data analysis of the

947
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,000
already acquired data things
that people missed because

948
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,800
everybody was so disappointed
after the second Expedition

949
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,900
because of the failures of the
equipment.

950
01:01:53,900 --> 01:02:01,200
But so he stuck with it and you
know, on the larger point, the

951
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,500
contextual we have a contextual
problem because somebody just

952
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:08,200
pitched this To the Discovery
Channel, right?

953
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,000
A really good person at the
Discovery Channel.

954
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:17,100
Now has this data, but they have
never heard of the ranch above

955
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:21,600
course.
We have a huge problem with this

956
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,800
guy, but I think you would, he
looks at the way Bates, laid out

957
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:31,900
the data in these beautiful
color, color, images, and

958
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:34,600
illustrations, then it's pretty
compelling.

959
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,200
But again, he's like, who are
you?

960
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:38,900
People, where'd you come from?
What is this text?

961
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,100
It's just, it's daunting, you
know?

962
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:46,100
Yeah, so the boulder based
Historical Society we call

963
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,700
ourselves Urantia that's all.
But what so where is it?

964
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,800
So where did where is Eden?
Where did it, what what part of

965
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,200
Syria did it spring off from
before it got submerged?

966
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,600
So many thousands of years ago,
Dude, did I miss what you?

967
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:00,600
What?
You had said?

968
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,100
Yeah, that there was a
disagreement.

969
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:08,900
Now, the original song, the
sunken And so called told Amell

970
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:12,400
of its Keys sort of continent
scientifically.

971
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Yeah it has this, you know, this
apparent connection but as one

972
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,800
mile down, right?
So so you got to do is get some

973
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,600
good instruments out there to
validate that.

974
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,500
But we, we think even in 2007,
we have enough validation of the

975
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:32,700
original thesis but star Mass
has this new thesis and there's

976
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:36,300
this other pretty prominent guy
that has says it's even On

977
01:03:36,308 --> 01:03:41,200
further south toward Israel and
all that seemed to be sorted

978
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,700
out, but I think that they
chose, you know, the artifact on

979
01:03:44,708 --> 01:03:48,200
the ocean bottom, it was
identified even in the first

980
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:53,700
Expedition, which is 1 mile plus
straight line with a right

981
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:59,700
angle, turn very distinct. 90
degree, right angle turns is

982
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:06,200
can't possibly be natural.
And that that's not a disputed

983
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,800
in.
It is a piece of data, nobody's

984
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,500
streets that data.
And and so that that is one of

985
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:20,300
several key elements.
Then he, you know, sore Mass had

986
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:25,800
the view that that was a wall.
But Bates has changed that

987
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,000
interpretation to.
I don't know if you heard this

988
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,500
Jim but that that's the sewage
system home.

989
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:38,100
Conduit that the UB tells you
about, right?

990
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:40,900
Well, yeah, yeah.
So he's saying that.

991
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:45,100
So so the, you know, this is a
serious space on 10 years of

992
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,600
studying the data that they.
So I don't know how we got into

993
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,400
style changes but no, but it's
very interesting too because it

994
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,800
kind of lends itself to the Or
idea.

995
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,500
That yes, there's a lot that
Academia could benefit from the

996
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:00,200
study of the Rancho book and
this is just one example of

997
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,400
that.
Well, listen.

998
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,500
I yeah.
Go ahead.

999
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:07,100
Final question.
You're evolving sold book, did

1000
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:10,200
well.
Were you surprised?

1001
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:14,900
Oh yeah I you know I didn't know
what to think but it I wouldn't

1002
01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:20,200
say it's sold that that well but
it was well reviewed and thank

1003
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:20,600
you.
Yeah.

1004
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,600
I mean I think people who've
read it really like it and I

1005
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,600
often hear from them so you
know, there's a hunger and

1006
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,900
there's not an I know there's
all kinds of self-help books out

1007
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:32,100
there.
But, you know, the basic

1008
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,800
questions.
Why are we here?

1009
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,500
Where are we Goin?
What's our purpose?

1010
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,400
What's the soul?
How do I pray?

1011
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,000
Those are the basic Fundamentals
and you know almost like you

1012
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,700
know there is a, is a good
example, just pops into my head

1013
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,200
at some point.
I think Society had a hurricane

1014
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,300
and it's separated basic
religious.

1015
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,000
You know what they call the
classics, the the new people

1016
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,000
today.
There's a gap that they did, it

1017
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:06,000
didn't carry over, you know,
from you think about innate, the

1018
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,900
1800's everybody learned how to
read by reading the Right that

1019
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:12,700
if that's not happening today,
you know.

1020
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:16,300
So there's a there's a there's a
language may be a spiritual

1021
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:21,100
conceptual deficit, even in
basic things like the soul.

1022
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,800
I mean, the soul used to be
something that was debated.

1023
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,700
Now, you know, other than the
upcoming conference.

1024
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:29,600
I don't hear those kinds of
discussions.

1025
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:35,800
Being debated on, you know,
Kelly Clarkson or, you know,

1026
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,600
whatever TV show is on.
They're not having The Urantia

1027
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,900
book, you need to go to Ted
Talks, that's what you need to

1028
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:46,600
do, Byron, you need to get
yourself invited on TED talks

1029
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,600
and get over there and get those
people to, you know, learn the

1030
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,800
name, your Ranch.
Uh, because right now half the

1031
01:06:55,808 --> 01:06:57,600
time people go.
What what is that?

1032
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:06,900
What is that Chacha?
It'll come back Rancho.

1033
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,700
The ranch the ranch.
So we got our work cut out for

1034
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:18,000
us, you kind of dressing.
But yeah, I mean, you know, if

1035
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:22,400
I'm inviting colleagues to join
me in this end of it which is

1036
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:28,200
bore a little bit more of the
academic end of it but maybe we

1037
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,500
can conclude with that.
The initiative that I have has

1038
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:37,500
two parts, one part is the
academic or a seminary, this a

1039
01:07:37,508 --> 01:07:39,100
20 year.
Project.

1040
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:42,100
But, but that, if we're
training, people see, a

1041
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:46,100
logically that we should train
them to be ministers as well.

1042
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:51,000
They along with rain.
They've tried that didn't enjoy,

1043
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,100
I don't know.
Somebody tried to your Ranch is

1044
01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:56,200
school.
Grant University?

1045
01:07:57,300 --> 01:07:59,300
Yeah.
The well that's still going and

1046
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:02,600
it's still okay.
And I think it's growing and and

1047
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:07,400
but it's got the Paradigm of
were not in relationship to the

1048
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,800
Christian tradition.
We are separate and distinct,

1049
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,300
and stand above, and beyond it.
That's, that's kind of the

1050
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:20,899
posture of the ranch University,
which I honor what they're

1051
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:25,000
doing, but I disagree
respectfully that the ranch book

1052
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,200
does not stand alone and you
the.

1053
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,200
So University should have
courses in biblical studies.

1054
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:31,800
Yeah.
Right, right.

1055
01:08:31,899 --> 01:08:36,399
I feel like there's a little guy
ranching but I just think it's

1056
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,100
not responsible.
The way to do it because the

1057
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:45,800
ranch Builds on the tradition
and I, you know, I say, you

1058
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,500
know, with all humility that I'm
trying to show that in my book

1059
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:55,600
that the Rancher book is in
intertextual, it's in

1060
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,700
relationship to our tradition.
It is not settled.

1061
01:08:58,700 --> 01:09:03,100
So in University training should
be intertextual should be

1062
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:06,200
reading outside the ranch book,
not just internally in the

1063
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,399
Rancher book, it doesn't work.
I hear that she doesn't work to

1064
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,100
do that.
It doesn't have the it has to

1065
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:18,300
have that scholarly credulity,
you know, if you graduate from

1066
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:21,899
your Ranch University it should
mean something and not just oh

1067
01:09:21,899 --> 01:09:24,100
you're an expert at the ranch a
book you know.

1068
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:28,100
Yeah just one little text versus
versus versus, you know, you

1069
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,899
study part for let's say you had
a study of part for the aren't

1070
01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:34,300
University, the other be able to
come out of there and say oh

1071
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,500
well these are these are these
are things that Echo the Bible.

1072
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,899
You know this is where They're
quoting literally a passage of

1073
01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:44,800
Jesus in the Bible.
This is biblical.

1074
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,600
Yeah.
And so that you build a bridge

1075
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:50,899
to your colleagues in the
churches rather than your

1076
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:56,100
Standalone sect.
Yeah, without relation to point

1077
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:58,700
that, that's how you're a good
point.

1078
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:00,400
Absolutely.
I'm glad you brought that up.

1079
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,000
It's something for all of us to
sort of take that in well.

1080
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:10,700
Byron, boletos is if I called
you the Academic professor of

1081
01:10:10,708 --> 01:10:14,700
the Year Rancho book and I wish
you well on this upcoming event

1082
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,000
and and maybe we could have you
back on and you could share some

1083
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,300
insights that you got from this
upcoming conference.

1084
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:25,300
So good luck on that.
Hey, listen by the time, I know

1085
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:27,300
we're at the time of the
recording.

1086
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:30,500
It's a few days before the
elections care to make any

1087
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:34,100
predictions.
I think everybody is saying even

1088
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:38,500
Bill Maher just said last night,
if anybody watches that, you

1089
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:42,100
know, he I think that the
Republicans are going to, you

1090
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:46,900
know, be strong, really strong
and that's just the way it goes,

1091
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:49,100
you know.
And yeah, we have to deal with

1092
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:52,100
that.
And you know, as your Ranch ins,

1093
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:57,100
we have a bigger picture.
And so we have to Encompass,

1094
01:10:57,100 --> 01:11:01,000
whatever happens, you know, with
Grace, it's a way I would put

1095
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:01,600
it.
Yeah.

1096
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,300
You know, I just think it's the
economy.

1097
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:10,400
Stupid, everything is about the
economy.

1098
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,400
And, you know, I learned during
the hurricane that energy is

1099
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,800
very important without it
Society.

1100
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,600
Crumbles very quickly.
So anyway, but it's good to

1101
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,900
catch up with you.
Thank you again for coming on

1102
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:27,900
and the new book is going to be
out truths about evil sin, and

1103
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:32,100
the Demonic toward an intrical
theodicy for the 21st century.

1104
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:38,500
So it is a fantastic read.
Absolutely, I'm about 3/4

1105
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:41,000
through and just it's a
wonderful book.

1106
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,600
So when it comes out Amazon, is
that the usual origin, press?

1107
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,000
Right?
Origin press know, it's it's a

1108
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
press, is that it's an academic
press and splitter will be on

1109
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,400
Amazon, but anybody listening to
this, you know, it's likely

1110
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,000
someone, I know they can just
contact me and I'll send them

1111
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,300
the PDF because this is because
an academic, Pushing their now

1112
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,300
charging a lot of money for a
book.

1113
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:08,500
It's going to be close to forty
dollars.

1114
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,100
So I want my friends to have it
so I'll send you the PDF.

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Okay.
Alright.

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Well we'll talk again, thank you
a bar and I appreciate it.

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And I am very curious to hear
how it goes with the the

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upcoming conference.
I think that'll be excited.

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