Belitsos Part 2

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Welcome back to the ranch Radio
podcast, glad you could be here

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Byron boletos part two of our
interview, delving into the

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significant difference in the
way eastern and western

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Christianity, has evolved as the
outlines in his new book.

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Plus Byron is quite candid about
why the Rancho book plays.

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Such an important role in
ensuring that evil does not

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Prevail.
The book is the truth about evil

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sin and the Demonic and intrical
theodicy on the ranch Radio

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podcast.
Welcome to your auntie radio

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again.
Our guest part two of our

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two-part series with Byron
boletos, who has written a book

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called The truths about evil sin
and the Demonic.

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We've been talking a lot about
how theologians of the past have

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contemplated, the theory of Free
Will versus predetermination and

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we've delved into the reasons of
debt theodicy and why that

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conversation is so compelling
now.

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Last time we spoke to Byron on
part one of our two part

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interview.
We covered the overall points of

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his latest book about truths
and, and the Demonic.

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Now let's continue with our time
with Byron boletos on the ranch,

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Radio podcast, the more I read,
the more, I see your, what your

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points are being made.
I think you've connected dots

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unintentionally.
I don't think you meant to

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connect them, but you've
connected them.

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The Urantia book, anybody who is
interested in theodicy of these

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great thinkers, for the past
2000 years, would be Be very

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appreciative of the theodicy of
the Urantia book.

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And so tell us what the theodicy
of the Urantia book is you will

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see all the see the UB is is a
is a synthesis and I will call

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it a creative synthesis of the
best ideas of the past that I

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feel of, I've identified many of
them and it adds the

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cosmological Revelation that
none of them could envision.

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Although Whitehead, for example,
envisions a very big part of it.

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But the the theodicy, the ranch
book not only in dialogue with

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theologians, but also dialogue,
really with cosmology of the

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past.
And but then upgrading it and

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updating it greatly with the
notion of the central universe

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and the distinction between
evolution.

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And it turn to thee and that
distinction was played with by

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Christians, but nothing like
this.

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And so if the Odyssey depends, a
lot on knowing that the

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time-space evolutional realm is
its kind of own autonomous

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domain of value.
Value expression that is subsist

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within the, the master universe
and and the relationship of the

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two.
To is the theodicy that the

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Odyssey is that paradise
Perfection is in, is in a

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relationship with with our
imperfection our evil, our

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course in its it.
Coexists, you might say with the

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darkness of space and time
Evolution and is the great goal

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of all of us who are coming up
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And and so see Odyssey is It
says that the grace is pouring

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out from the, you know, from
from the from the deities in

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Paradise deities is is more than
sufficient to compensate for the

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imperfection evolutionary
profession.

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And we need only accept it and
then work with it but to help us

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again.
This is the Odyssey.

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They recognize we started as
Animals with animal instincts,

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for survival and which, you
know, for our survival depends

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on being, you know, actually
violent and certain ways and

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that, that they obviously see
that.

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And so they're doing a lot more
than than say what Whitehead

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would say.
They're they're spending

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incarnations, they're sending
spiritual influences, such as

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the spirit of Truth.
In the Holy Spirit, they're

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sending Revelations a book form.
These are all parts of that's

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the Odyssey, which is That we're
doing everything through these

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domains.
The domains of the Trinity

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Trinity has various domain.
The Angelic, angels are

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emanating from the third source
and Center.

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That's part of C, 0, c, 2,
because angels are helping us,

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you know, taking us by the hand
and pulling us out of out of

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Darkness, but it's not just
them.

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We got the indwelling spirit
from the fathers, and it's not

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just that, we've got the sun
sending incarnations.

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So, if the Odyssey is Very
Dynamic, but open.

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It's not determined the other
big part of this is that it's

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open rather than determinative
because my, my view and this is

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a bit of a unique interpretation
for me is that it's the Odyssey

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is like that of this new school
called the open theists which

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says the yep, God is
all-powerful.

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God is truly able to control
these things but God only

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controls.
In one big cents which is God,

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make sure that salvation is
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In those in certain places.
Because the infrastructure is

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there for it, it's always going
to be there.

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There's always going to be the
say, the morontia worlds.

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So, even, if your Rancho gets
snuffed out, so the so to speak,

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the modular homes, are still
there, good point.

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So there can be these isolated
Rebellion planets that do make

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it and really it is the case
that it is not guaranteed.

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It is not guaranteed, it is not
predetermined as Luther and

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Calvin and Augustine.
All said that medieval Catholics

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said, no, all of this,
especially Calvin, all of this.

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It's all going to work out all
of it.

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There's not going to be anything
lost, but the Rancher book does

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not say that.
There's going to be lost is that

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are that are cannot be that
there's a lot of losses of souls

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that are unredeemed.
Because they chose not to not to

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not to survive.
So that that's why the the these

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great thinkers fell into
predestination as their only way

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out.
And they're only way to do to do

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theodicy.
They said well you know, God is

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all loving and all-powerful
period And so therefore no one

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is ever lost except those who
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So they're not lost, they're
getting Just Desserts, they're

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getting justice.
So so that so they don't have

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any notion of souls that are
entirely lost.

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Let's talk about the evil to
send the Demonic.

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There's the internal, the
original sin, which we haven't

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really touched on.
But this idea that we are all

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born with sin in our DNA, and
that's been addressed by open

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theist, most open theist have
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Concept or is it strictly a
western evangelic whole thing or

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do a majority of Christians?
Catholics still?

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Hold that we are originally in
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Yeah, of course, you know,
Cruces sort of Catholics would

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least still hold to original sin
and it should be noted because

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we haven't touched on it.
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Orthodox, have an alternate
alternate narrative about this.

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It's very important that
because, as an important

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footnote is that Original sin
means the year, you're so

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depraved that you cannot work
your way to Salvation by your

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own, will by your own effort.
You you are stripped of your

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powers to do that.
Sort of in a Cooperative

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relationship, God has to do
everything for you and you are

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really kind of passive except
through faith where you Kept

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God's grace and forgiveness.
The the Eastern View is not is

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that is not these terms.
You and this is extremely

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important for Urantia book
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Which is we don't hold to that
the we hold to the more, the

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Eastern Christians you, which is
that the human will is not

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depraved and we can work
cooperatively with deity for our

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salvation and progression, and
that is a minority view in

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Christianity.
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the western church, right?
But the Eastern Church is, is

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not given its due credit,
because they figured this out

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and that is why your entry book
is of should be a great interest

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to Eastern Orthodox.
Christians.

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So as a, thank you for letting
me go into that footnote that

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return.
It's important.

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Let's talk a little bit about
the idea, which is I'm Glad you

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brought it up in your book about
the distinction that was made,

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that that Lucifer can protest
against God and God allows him

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to do that.
And you put a kind of a take on

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it which was unique it.
Go into that a little bit about

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how God allows for sort of
domains that his created sons

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have jurisdiction over.
Yeah, certainly and that's

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that's a part of the beauty of
the cosmology.

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The Book which reminds me or
release me of something like the

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federal government of the United
States, right?

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So you delegate authority to one
of the states of the union.

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And in that state, the governor
has a lot of autonomy.

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And, and you cannot, you cannot
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You can't really remove a
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Washington.
There would be ways.

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To do their checks and balances
for everything so you can sort

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of do it.
So, that's the same thing with

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Lucifer.
Lucifer is like a governor of a

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state, you know, Louis local
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And, and there's these
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With, with nebadon, with the
nemeton government government.

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The so this prior agreement, and
since a with caligastia, there's

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a, there's a prior agreement
that cannot be a Gated, unless

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you go to like the Supreme
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the United States, you have to
go Supreme Court to settle a lot

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of these things.
So you have to go to the

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Ancients of days to settle the
the that dispute you can't

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Michael and mother cannot settle
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They don't have the authority to
do it and so therefore you can

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have Michael come on to the
planet but he can't settle it

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fully.
And, and so, so the that that's

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that's part.
Out of your theodicy.

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You know that's the evil is
dealt with through legal means

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as well as other means.
The legal means that the

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infrastructure.
So you can't violate the

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infrastructure because those are
sacred agreements with DDE and

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DDD never violates its promises
and isn't it interesting to look

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at it that way people ask well
why is the devil free to roam?

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Well there's a jurisdictional
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He's not going to abrogate is
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Me chose to divest of himself
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sometimes they are just like
sometimes we have Governors that

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decide to do what they want to
do, you know, and other times

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they don't.
Okay, so we've covered a lot.

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What was your favorite chapter?
What part of the book was your

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favorite and what was your least
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What was the most difficult?
So I would say my favorite was

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Chapter 3, which is about the
Eastern Orthodox view of evil

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and I grew up in that church so
it's more more my style, you

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might say.
And I liked it because I

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discovered what I really kind of
already knew which was that

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they're closer to the ranch a
book truth than deny that even I

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fought because of this
partnership view of the

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relationship of creature
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That is that it's really quite
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And that's why when you read
chapter 3, you you're probably

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filled my, my sense of love for
that, for that tradition, that

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they arrived at this.
And this more open View and, and

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my flight disdain for the East,
the Western View, which stripped

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that off another words.
They don't give you a way out

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Through your own decisions.
And it's sort of like we're

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like, it's like a feudal view
that that we're like slaves and

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God has to do everything for us.
So the hardest, the hardest

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chapter was was, was the chapter
about st.

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Augustine.
Why was that?

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What you see with him?
Is this?

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Absolutely world-class genius.
It's just so impressive.

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What Does.
But so misguided in his

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assigning of original sin
Without Really any precedent,

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it's there in st.
Paul.

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But in a kind of poetic way and
Augustine is sort of, you know,

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kind of dark figure in a way
that he Embraces it.

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And, and it, and he is so
brilliant that it's still

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persuasive to this day in
Conservative Catholics who are

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Are all over the place, still
have this View and so I wanted

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to be able to present that in a
way that was fair to

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conservatives.
Why did Europe adopted the more

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Roman view, the more Pauline
view of Christianity as opposed

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to say with the Greeks and
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As you put it this relational
view that he had, which is true

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to the, to the Orthodox
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one that is inhuman and
Coloring.

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It's really a kind of humanism
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whereas the West was under the
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worldview.
And so the problem with sin

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Augustine is a he too, was it
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Really and that he codified of
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not a humanistic new in The
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had that.
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senior partner is the father.
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The indwelling spirit says, so
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nowhere in there, that There's
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the notion of what these calls
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Were where the self is
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levels of God, Consciousness is
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View breaks out here and there
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By the way, nice job at
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the way that you explain it.
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people reading your book may not
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Motion whatsoever, the Urantia
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that you presented it made it
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sophisticated.
I think it was hard to, you

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know, first of all, I had to
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me to cover it in my thesis and
that's that allowed me to write

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this in the first place.
Under the guide and under the

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guidance of a real good feel
logical faculty.

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No, talking this guy into it.
It was pretty tough, but I'd

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written papers for him me and he
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I was double the age of the
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gave him on your Ranch a book
and to his credit, he read a lot

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of it.
And if he hadn't done that, it

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would have been impossible and
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hypothesis, which is somebody in
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Can't get this would only be a
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who could get in the ballpark
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reader was pretty radical,
feminist Theologian and and to

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this day, she is in dialogue
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She picked up a Fascination for
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Master's thesis.
Let's talk about the presence of

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evil in today's world.
You how do we respond as

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individuals who subscribe to the
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philosophy or perception.
How do we address this ramp and

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evil?
That seems to be taking the

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World by storm and you brought
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ranch about being a response to
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today.
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the book was actually finished
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Bomb was dropped and I had never
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Yeah, guys, I thank you.
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observation that following
Matthew blocks, discovery that

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there were, you know, small
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disputed, but but I think he's
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time, you know, sort of the
deepest Revelation time for the

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when we made our most Grievous,
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And And so it seems that we're
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now with the climate with you
know war in Ukraine with war may

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be against China and all these
other things that was the right

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in our face every day that we
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lesson and I think one of the
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people in this connection is
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book and isolation and I think
it's a huge error.

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I dunno to be book,
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vacuum right versus this is part
of a lineage where deities

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trying to reach us and you and I
have talked about this before

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that.
The last time is trying to reach

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us through mainly through the
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Audience is to is them and they
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can catalyze them they have to
get and, and particular, the

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liberal Christians don't really
have a notion of sin that is

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strong enough to be honest, you
know, the resist, the

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conservative part of the ranch
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sinful Tendencies are very
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of caligastia, all these, you
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the Lucifer, Eric orientation of
our Elites, And the UB is needed

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to revive this notion of the
supernatural realm, being being

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way off, you know that we have.
So we are under a very difficult

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Legacy and we should take a cue
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even though most of us are
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that we tend to be almost moving
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age being the snow.
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that you've over-exaggerated the
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It's over exaggerated, we're
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Yeah, that is, that could be
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movement.
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the damage to the ranch of
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direction of a liberal New Age
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We're in a way profits to, to
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You know, the theologians that I
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theologians, they are embattled
people, they My Cemetery was

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very, distinguished Cemetery.
They're running out of money.

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They they, they sold off part of
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developer and built.
A 40-story building the middle

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of the campus to stay in
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That's a given example.
These people know that, that

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they're not giving they're not
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culture, their, their influence
is waning and why Is that, you

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know?
So you know, I said to my

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professors your Ranch your book
is offering credit, not

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criticism, but correction on
certain doctrines like the

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omnipotence of deity that that
you guys need to hear you at all

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on the atonement doctrine, of
course, and the Virgin birth

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these things, we all see through
that, but here's here's deity.

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God, is, is helping you get, you
know, God loves you.

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Mr. And mrs.
Theologian is giving you the

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correction in this sophisticated
text that is unsurpassed and so

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we if we can convey that to
Christian leaders, it's not

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easy, but it's doable, then they
can take up the they have the

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institutions to do this, we
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seminaries.
We don't have endowments of

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millions of dollars.
We don't have libraries with a A

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thousand books, they have them.
They are the ones that should be

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carrying this torch.
And so I think I made some

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inroads with a few professors
and we'll see how this book gets

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reviewed because we're sending
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To all of the, all of the
journals, all the theological

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journals, do you think the
caligastia is what's what do you

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think he wants the outcome to
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What's caligastia is horse in
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Well, we all know that you know
the Rancher movement is is a

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critical Intervention and it is
nearing, you know, certain

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people think this is kind of in
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unknown to the leadership of the
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church.
So that would be his agenda,

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which is keep this out of the
hands of smart, Christians and

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watch who watches the church
goes into greater and greater

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Decline and, which it has done.
But the, the sort of the

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Salvation for the church is the
ranch Revelation, so the ranch

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Revelation, keep it, keep it
isolated, keep it, put it in the

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hands of well-meaning, people
interested in their own

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spiritual growth rather than
into the institutional, putting

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into the hands of this, great
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Christian civilization.
That's where it's supposed to

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be.
It's not supposed to be a little

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sect with you know, tiny little
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With people over 60 and remember
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I really think that's the sad
reality that we're part of a

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lineage back to Christ and we're
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And and so we have to bring up
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the judeo-christian tradition.
Otherwise this will default what

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a critical part of this It's not
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yeah, I mean, you know, want to
this, give you all the tools you

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need.
And so, why does a guy like me

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go to a seminary and find no one
at this famous Seminary, sort of

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the Rancher book and that we can
give a platform for science for

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philosophy that that they that
they can accept with the

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teachings of Jesus.
As I know you do a lot for

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public speaking and if there are
people who might want to bring

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you into their groups, what's a
good way?

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People to get a hold of you.
Yeah.

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Thanks for asking for Byron.
It's the same old email address

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Byron at or Ridge and press.com.
And again, we appreciate Byron

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Bledsoe stopping by, and talking
to us about his latest book

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which you can buy on amazon.com
called the truths about evil sin

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and the Demonic by Byron
boletos.

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We so appreciate him stopping
by.

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If you have comments or
questions, feel free to email me

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at your Ranch evoke radio at
gmail.com, and we will Air this

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periodically also on Are you
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Which you can find at your Ranch
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Until next time, God bless and
thanks for stopping by.