Aliens Among Us

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This is the Urantia Radio
Podcast where we discussed the

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Urantia Book and the various
subject matter found in the 5th

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Epochal Revelation, which we're
all very excited about here at

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Urantia Radio.
And lately, we've been delving

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into discussions recently about
life on other worlds, including

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talks about ancient aliens,
government cover ups, and a

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whole lot of intriguing subject
matter having to do with this,

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this very issue.
And Joshua Wilson knows a thing

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or two about the subject and has
penned an authoritative essay on

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aliens Among Us, which we'll
talk about.

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Plus, we'll delve into that
discussion about life on other

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worlds, how we got here, who
Adam and Eve were, and how

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Christ fits into all of this,
and what the world is going

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through right now that may
portend to some epical

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revelation just around the
corner.

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Now, if this is the kind of
subject matter that drives your

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curiosity, then I think you'll
enjoy this unique interview with

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Brother Joshua Wilson on the
Urantia Radio Podcast.

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Riders on the storm.
Riders on the storm.

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Into this house.
We're born into this world.

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We're thrown like a dog without
a bone and actor out alone.

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Riders on the Storm?
And the the tape is rolling and

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we're now talking to brother
Joshua Wilson who is a real hero

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and he's in Arizona, somewhere
in the desert, hidden in the

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hills somewhere.
And last week we had on a Joel

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Garvin, who's a friend of mine
and also a Uranche book reader.

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And we were talking about UFOs
and extraplanetary things that

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might be happening, which would
would explain the increase of

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ufology and and sightings and
things of that nature.

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And someone emailed me and said,
oh, well, you got to get brother

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Josh on because he knows all
about this stuff.

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So here you are.
And so I read a couple of am I

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at liberty to talk about the
papers?

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OK.
So am I at liberty to share them

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or.
Oh, yes.

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OK.
So in his first paper it's a

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fiction but it reads like a
nonfiction and it's about two

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people who come from a non
breather world.

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And if you're not familiar with
the Urantia book, there are in

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rare instances worlds where
evolutionary beings get to the

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point where they have will like
us free will, but the

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distinction is that they don't
have an atmosphere and and

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they're in a class by
themselves.

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I think they're limited to
spirit fusion as opposed to

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adjuster fusion.
So they have a whole different

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path of of Ascension, but
they're still will will minded

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creatures anyway.
So your story is based on who

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The Who, who they would be and
where they would come from.

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And it's a remarkably wonderful
story.

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It ends.
I I don't want to tell people

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when it ends.
You can't do that.

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But it's a cliffhanger.
It's got a zinger at the end

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which kind of ties together
science, your answer book

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information and also knowledge
that we have in in ufology about

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visitations that that we are
more accustomed to hearing about

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and kind of brings all those
together.

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And his an historical fiction
short story.

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But it is worth thinking about
because this whole thing that

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Joel was talking about and you
were talking about people want

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to know and to bring together
information all the way from

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ancient aliens, early early
history of our planet, what we

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know through the study of
anthropology and geography, what

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we know from people who claim to
have been in contact with some

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of these beings.
So we're trying to to just bring

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it all together that in in that
that little short story and also

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the paper that I wrote called
Extraterrestrials Among Us.

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And that's a great one.
It's you go into real depth, not

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only on the physical creatures
who who who are coming

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frequently and who have been a
long part of our history, but

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also the the next higher up on
the scale which would be the

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spiritual government, the
spiritual, and when I say

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spiritual, literally spiritual.
Everyone from Gabriel to Michael

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to the life carrier, sons to
Melchizedek, all the counselors,

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the seraphic population that
serves us and helps us along.

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And so when I read your paper,
it occurred to me there is a lot

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of activity on this planet, and
you make some excellent points

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about this being a special
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So maybe you could elaborate for
us on that.

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What is it about our world?
What are the litany of things

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that make us pretty special?
Well, we're trying to put this

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together in our universe of 10
million inhabitable worlds.

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When it finally gets all built
out, we have, yeah, this is kind

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of the, well, it's what the
Urach book calls the sentimental

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shrine of 10 million inhabitable
worlds.

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So if it's a shrine, what do
people do?

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Like shrines on Earth, They want
to visit the Holy Land or

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someplace that's special to
them.

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I think that being throughout
the universe and our local

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system are very much interested
because of the visit to our

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little out on the edge lowly
planet by the creator of the

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universe, Michael of Nabodon,
who came here as Jesus of

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Nazareth in all the changes that
were brought about not only for

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our our world, but for the
entire universe.

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So to pull this together, I draw
from historical references in

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folklore, contactee and abductee
testimonies, eyewitness

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testimony of UFOs, exopolitical
studies, new age literature,

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fictional stories and literature
and movies, and then really

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importantly, revelatory
information that pieces together

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our history of what has really
happened on this planet.

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Not only the history, but what's
going on right now.

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There's a lot of activity going
on right now.

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So when we view all of the above
as a whole, certain common

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features appear.
We're visited by various off

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planet beings who only rarely
are seen in person.

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We're considering a lot of
people are consideration

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considering a federation of
planets or galactic federation

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of worlds.
The visitors are generally have

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benevolent races, but there are
also rebellious types that we

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hear about.
The visitors are interested and

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amenable to offering assistance
when asked and have a broad

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knowledge.
This spans the entire history of

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Earth.
They operate under Roddenberry's

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Star Trek ideal of non
interference with human

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evolutionary development.
The responsibility of people's

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free will determination is a key
postulate, but fully

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distinguished from the nefarious
concept of unbridled personal

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liberty.
So that that's kind of an

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overview of how we're trying to
bring together a lot of a lot of

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different factors because people
are curious, you know, what are

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these beings?
Are they transitional?

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Are they spiritual?
Is sometimes.

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Do we have beings that can
contact material reality?

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Or are some of the craft just
developed by one of the advanced

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nations black projects that have
created craft that can do

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amazing things that we just
aren't informed about?

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So these are the kind of
questions that that you know

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that they're circulating right
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My job is to help bring together
all that kind of disjointed

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history that tries to take bits
and pieces going back, you know,

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many thousands of years and
clarify to organize this through

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the teachings of the orientation
book to see how we've got some

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real activity going on here now.
And I have personal friends that

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have had contact of with beings
that are definitely from not

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around here that are doing more
share.

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Of that are you able to share
that with us and what have what

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they?
Got I I have.

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You know, having been in this
community for over 40 years,

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I've met a lot of people that
have had that you would call

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contactees, one of them from the
state of Washington.

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He and his brother were
traveling through Montana and

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Wyoming and they this is not
just a momentary sighting.

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For about 6 hours from before
midnight till dawn, traveling on

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this remote stretch of Hwy. they
saw one thing after another.

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Orbs, lights, vehicles.
Sometimes a cylinder would

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change into a truck and there
would be personalities inside of

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it.
They would look over one time

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that exact identical triplets
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The truck had turned over and
says what are you guys doing

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here?
You know stuff like this was

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going on and so this and I could
go on with stories like this.

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So when we hear these things, we
just have to try to make sense

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of it.
Say you know what's going on

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here, try to imagine.
Yeah.

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So these things are happening,
that I have my own personal

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experiences that are more on a
spiritual level, because if I I

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can't tell the whole story here
today.

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But it was, I believe it was
actually Melchizedek that

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brought to my attention your
answer book and started me on

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this pathway.
I have contact with my my

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guardian Seraphim.
I'm in touch with the universe,

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Mother spirit.
I had an incredible experience

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of 11 days out on the mountains.
It was an isolated retreat, you

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know.
Christ, Michael, Jesus has

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always been my close companion
since the coming of my thought

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and gesture, especially at the
young age, at age 5, which

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unusually, I actually remember
that occasion.

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So this has been a lifelong
experience and this is not a

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woo, woo type of thing where I
see visions or they're coming

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and talking to me or anything
like that.

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But you know, undeniable
personal spiritual

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transformations and this is what
I would like to encourage people

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to get involved with.
This is God consciousness is

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that we have indwelling us, this
pure spirit essence and we can

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come in contact with God.
And sometimes the fascination

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with UFO activities in ancient
history, although it can help to

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encourage us or enlighten us to
a certain degree, can also

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unfortunately be like a rabbit
trail to take us away from our

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own personal experience and
transformation, which is really

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where the real gold is.
That's what it's all about.

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Yeah, because even you know, you
always have to ask yourself, you

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know, how does this benefit my
relationship with God?

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Ultimately?
Everything is about that or the

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value in everyday living, so
it's fun.

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There are a lot of rabbit holes
that you can go down, but you

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can also get really distracted
and get off the mark.

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I I wish I'd saved the thought
of the day.

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Today was just so wonderful.
Every day I I'll read a thought

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from the Uranja Foundation and
I'll thank God.

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That's the best thought that I
could ever have, you know?

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And it makes it clear it's
there.

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God is so centered all this.
I think I have that.

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I think I have it right here.
Joe is it?

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It's.
Called the Heart's Treasure.

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Read it, see if it's the.
Same.

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There is no sin in having honest
possessions on earth, provided

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your treasure is in heaven.
For where your treasure is,

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there will your heart be also.
Jesus speaking in the Rancho

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book.
Well, that wasn't it.

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But that's equally beautiful.
And it's that kind of essence of

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of truth that you can't forget
because you can't get distracted

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by the ancient aliens and all
that.

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But what were they for?
And it kind of brings me back.

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All of these things that are
going on portend to the

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revelation that we don't live in
an empty universe.

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Now the average man on the
street today lives his life as

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if he lives in an empty
universe.

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He has no conception of the
afterlife.

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He's not sure of the afterlife
he's never really had a

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conversation with anybody and
and meanwhile the material world

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keeps beating him down.
You know and and the economic

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realities that sober him up to
the realities of living are

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often blinding because they
there's you know what is it man

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often times doesn't have doesn't
take a moment to talk to God

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life you you you fill up a gas
the other day you know I'm

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putting gas in my car.
Soon as you get out of your car

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you got music playing you got a
little video right there trying

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to sell you a big gulf.
Can I just have some peace and

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quiet while I'm pumping gas?
Might you go into a store?

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There's music coming over the
speakers.

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Life is so busy that we we get
distracted.

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And the arrangement book is
simply saying you live in a well

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ordered universe and that you
are you have a right to be here

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and that there is a great
promise ahead.

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And that's that's really the
best message you can get.

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And then along with all of that
is the stories, the details, you

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know how we got here to God's
first family, the evolutionary

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world, the evolutionary plan.
So we can't.

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It's remarkable people are
wondering why, you know, why

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don't we have contact or why
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Why don't the visitors land on
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But let me tell you, we have,
like in the Iran Book for

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example, this is a partial list
of offworld beings that have

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actually written this down in
black and white for us, Divine

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counselor, universal censor,
perfecter of wisdom, mighty

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messenger, chief of Archangels,
Veron, Dadek's son Melchizedek.

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And I could go on with the list
of beings that have actually

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made the effort and have
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In addition to that list,
there's another list of of

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beings that visit here not just
write papers for us, but that

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that that visit and help us.
Those involve conciliating

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commissions or roving courts,
race commissioners and

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international or interracial
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Final agers that are glorified
one time mortals, visiting

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students, Our resident Governor
General Guardian Seraphim.

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I could go on with a list.
Cherubim and Sanibel.

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I mean we have creatures that
are helping us right now on this

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planet and doing amazing things.
Every once in a while one of

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them comes into view and people
are surprised and shocked and

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don't know what to make of it.
But we are being contacted in

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all kinds of ways.
We have a seraphic planetary

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government.
The leader that has, they're on

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Earth right now.
They hand down scores of

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decisions every day.
This like from a legislature

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that we're not aware of.
The angels of nation life are

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here and they are in charge of
the political performances on

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our Earth, they might say.
Really, it doesn't seem like it.

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Everything seems to be in chaos.
Well, let me tell you be much

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worse and much more chaotic if
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Because they have to work
through us.

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They have to inspire human
beings to start to make these

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political changes.
But believe me, they are at

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work.
You know I'm listening to you

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and it's music to my ears, but I
only play devil's advocate.

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What makes you think all that is
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What you just said.
Just, you know, I / 40 years of

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of experience and being a
pastoral counselor and and

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working with people that are in
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I see how very much on the edge
people are emotionally, and

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there's rapidly increasing
incidents happening these days

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of mental instability.
I mean, this is such something

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I've been very much in touch
with for a long time, and I just

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realized that there wasn't an
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It would even be much worse than
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That's part of it.
But I've had my own personal

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contacts, and every time there's
a real difficulty or trauma that

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comes on the Earth, there's
always at the same time a voice

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that's still small voices saying
this is the way walk you in it.

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And I hear that voice, and then
I realize there's something good

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that I can do to make a
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This gives me a hope and a real
consciousness that anytime

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someone wants to use spiritual
energy and spiritual leverage to

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improve a situation in their
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that it will be met by
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This happens.
These synchronicities, that's

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another way to use the Carl Jung
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Remarkable coincidences that are
very meaningful.

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This also gives me an indication
as I go farther and farther

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these, these synchronicities to
me are happening practically on

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a daily basis.
I mean things that are beyond

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description and it cannot be
accounted for just through

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happenstance.
All of those things, Jim caused

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me to believe that we are
lovingly watched over, not just

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at arm's length, but there's
it's as close as our breath.

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And we have also seraphim that
are working in the the social,

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moral and ethical realms that
are helping to put people

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together.
When all of a sudden you meet

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someone and some wonderful thing
happens that you could not have

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predicted or orchestrated
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That's probably evidence.
To answer your question.

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That's probably evidence that we
are lovingly watched over.

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But I can understand how the
materialistic scientist to

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believe it's all just a bunch of
atoms bumping together and that

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there is no mind and there is no
spirit.

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It's just all whatever is here
between your ears.

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I understand how they could come
to that conclusion, but I have

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come to a different conclusion,
right?

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I believe there's a mind realm,
there's mind circuits, there's

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spiritual receptivity and
connectivity.

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I think it happens every night
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The pineal gland excretes DMT,
dimethyltryptamine, and there's

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a deep part of sleep.
We have a super conscious

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registration and we wake up in
the morning and we don't really

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remember it or know what
happened because now we're in

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the conscious realm.
Where's that registration was?

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In the Super conscious realm, if
a person is trying to cooperate

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at all, they're going to be
constantly moving upward and

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inward and onward.
You know you were a part of you.

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You have background in mental
health and I know you have

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family that are very experienced
in that field.

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And a few months ago, you
assisted me with putting

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together this presentation on
mental illness and ways the

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Urantia Book offers solutions to
solving this growing problem.

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And my position is, is that the
way that we're treating it now

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is actually worse than the
actual mental illness.

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The rise in cases of
schizophrenia could be nutrition

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related.
It could be emotional because

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it's just such a difficult,
challenging time.

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But I appreciate you helping me
with that.

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And it only cemented my ideas
that the quality of thinking has

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to improve.
And you and I were talking about

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the different ages.
We went from the the ages.

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What was you said the other day
It it's this path.

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You know, we started out where
it was for the food and then it

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was for the comfort and the
safety of home.

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And then we went from an age of
of priests and sorcerers to an

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age of scientists and doctors.
And now we're at an age of

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lawyers and businessmen, and the
next age will be for the quality

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of thinking.
Now I I kind of jumbled that up

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a little bit.
Oh yeah, I love that quote.

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You know, first it was a
struggle for existence, then

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for, you know, making a living
and what we're all trying to do.

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And the next will be the coming
age of of quality of thinking,

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right?
Quality of thinking is the next

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and current goal of our life
here on Earth.

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And so this is what I'm trying
to encourage.

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So this is the spiritual aspect
of it now, as folks try to piece

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together from archaeology and
the Gaia people and the ancient

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alien, the Gaia people.
Who were the Gaia people?

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Who were?
The, you know, like that's a TV

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show, Gaia Network, which is a
lot of people yet to discuss,

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you know, the extraterrestrial
phenomenon and ancient history.

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OK.
And so there's there's a cryptic

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Bible references like in Genesis
6 and Numbers 13 to the

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Nephilim, those who came from on
high.

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And it speaks of an unusual
race, the sons of God meeting

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with quote, the daughters of men
who were quote, mighty men of

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old, men of renown.
OK, so we have these these

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little bits and people are still
trying to piece it together.

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Whereas your action book really
comes right out and say these

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actually did occur.
And there was a time where 50

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men and 50 women were translated
from a distant capital sphere

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and came to this world and they
were hybridized with 50 Earth

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men and 50 Earth women.
And so our earth's evolutionary

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stock of humankind was up
stepped.

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So these, these, these little
stories of the Nodites and the

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Nephilim can be traced back to
between 200,000 and 500,000

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years ago and then continuing on
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So we do have a lot of of
historical connecting points.

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We can connect the dots.
It just helps a whole lot, you

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know to have the the Rancher
book piece that together and.

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Ask you about that.
I know that you've had a lot of

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conversations with people who
have expert opinions on this

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stuff.
Why do we not find more evidence

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that goes back by, you know, I
think as far we find little

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pieces.
It seems like astrology as a

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study seems to almost get it
right.

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But they they seem to think that
like, you know, the arrangement

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says 500,000 years ago is when
the Nodites were here.

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That's when the six colored
races appeared.

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The Sang Geeks, you know that
there's a long time where

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nothing happens, where there's
no evidence of any of that.

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Why is that?
Is it because the Ice Age just

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destroyed?
Maybe there weren't enough

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people around.
Seems like the farther back you

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go, the less evidence you find
of of intelligent man, even

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though the Urancha book says
that there was pockets of

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civilization.
Well, there's there's several

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reasons why that ancient
advanced culture sunk beneath

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the sea, and it'll be very hard
to find.

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Evidence.
Any remnants of it?

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And then you had kind of the
advanced Blue Man in Europe.

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There, their thing was to to
incinerate, to burn the bodies.

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And so there's no bones left
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OK.
So we have some of these

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problems when we try to piece
together and pull together

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information.
But then you have the pyramids

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of Egypt.
It's pretty hard to make those

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go away.
Those continue to intrigue and

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make us think about how that
happened then in the study of

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genetics.
Can we know from the Rancho book

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that it was about 38,000 years
ago that we got a huge

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biological uplift from our
material son and daughter, which

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is known in the various
literatures, Adam and Eve, who

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were not the first people but
they were visitors that came

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here with the express purpose
there.

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It's unusual to have more
spiritual type beings like that

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that are actually sex
procreators, but they were and

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are in fact that that's their
purpose.

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So what was found in Russia and
elsewhere was evidence of a

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change in a gene called the
microcephalon gene that also

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occurred about 38,000 years ago.
They greatly increased our

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cranial capacity and our brain
capacity.

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So what would stop?
Let me So what were?

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What were human beings like?
Let's say you saw a human being

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just before Adam and Eve showed
up.

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What would we have looked like
at that point?

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Can you?
OK, they they had.

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They had evolved a lot, and
they'd become human and they'd

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learn to exercise a number of
nation building and civilization

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building skills.
They were increasing, but they

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got a great big up step.
So the answer your question,

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they were a little shorter.
They didn't have the brain

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capacity.
They didn't have as much

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capacity for art and science and
humor.

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And they grunted a lot probably
right.

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And they they probably had I'm,
I'm, I'm being serious.

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They probably.
Had some of them did because

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depending on which part of the
earth you went to, they had

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various and scattered levels of
of development.

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They did have language, but they
didn't have much in the way of

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alphabets or way of ways of
communicating.

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Right.
You know, the wheel, the.

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I don't think they figured out
the wheel.

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Maybe they did.
Oh, yeah.

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I think they had a lot.
I think they even had steam

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power.
They had a lot of different

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things.
But it just stepped up

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considerably when?
About 38,000 years ago.

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Because anytime there's an
increase in cranial capacity and

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brain volume, that's going to
make a big difference.

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And that's what the genetic
research on the sudden, not

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gradual, sudden appearance of a
change in the microcephaline

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gene and.
Where is that?

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Is it a gene that makes.
So I'm going to look that up

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because I saw that in your paper
and I've heard that before and

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and what is it a, a demarcation
of the DNA strand itself where

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it's just.
Yeah, the DNA changed a

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particular gene.
Like if they do gene study from

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before that and then after that
various changes happen from time

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to time, slow changes,
evolutionary changes and

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sometimes a sudden change.
This was a sudden change that

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was significant because it had
to do with brain capacity.

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So they left behind about 1000
pure line descendants who found

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out gradually through all the
surrounding cultures and races

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including the atomite Anti
civilization including the Greek

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Isles and their genetics are now
intermingled with all the

457
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,560
colored races of earth including
you and me.

458
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560
This has been good for our
world.

459
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Yeah, and that's a good thing to
remember because, you know,

460
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
people say, well, you know,
there's so much evil in the

461
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,520
world today.
Well, you know, there are

462
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,440
certain dead biological dead
ends.

463
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,320
And you do have, and I don't
mean to say this in a bad way,

464
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but you go to certain parts of
the world, you can definitely

465
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,680
see that we're not all born
equal.

466
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,280
I mean, there are definitely
certain pockets.

467
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,320
If you look at the Outback in
Australia or you know, even in

468
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880
the 1950s, go online sometime
and look at some of the YouTube

469
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:07,280
videos where they were old film
of these tribes that lived in

470
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Africa in the heart of the
Amazonian jungles, these are

471
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,840
you're looking face to face at
our ancestors from hundreds of

472
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,000
thousands of years ago,
literally unchanged so.

473
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,400
That's true.
There are some primitive races

474
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,960
still existed on the Earth today
that have not benefited from any

475
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,800
of that new plasm and genetic
uplift that happened 38,000

476
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,520
years ago.
And you have some cultures that

477
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,760
have received some of it.
You have other cultures that

478
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:43,200
have taken more of an easy way
and have not been driven to

479
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,080
improve their culture.
And then on the other hand, you

480
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,440
have cultures that have gotten a
significant amount of of this

481
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,320
genetic input.
And this is what all the studies

482
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,680
about ancient civilizations,
they're trying to sort this out.

483
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,720
You know, they're finding some
indicators from past history

484
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,000
that we can actually go to this
deal with culture, language,

485
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,320
architecture, building.
And more and more is being done

486
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,480
all the time to the sort out
what this kind of dispersion

487
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:21,240
created and how we have come to
be who we are with, in many

488
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,240
cases, improved law and ethics,
higher philosophic and

489
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,880
scientific achievement,
achievement and trying to move

490
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,560
ourselves beyond war.
And I'm glad you brought that

491
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,960
up, because that's sort of where
we're at now.

492
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,000
We're not the beyond war stage,
and I think that's what the

493
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,120
universe at large is waiting
for, is for us to get beyond

494
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,000
war.
We're not beyond war.

495
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040
We're actually headed towards
war now.

496
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360
We.
Have sometimes it seems like one

497
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,600
step forward and two steps back.
Doesn't it, though?

498
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,400
But I like your quality of
thinking, and I want to have you

499
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,640
back on once you've fleshed it
out more, because that's really

500
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,640
the challenge, is to bring what
I call like right now.

501
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560
I believe that a lot of people
in the world are spiritually

502
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040
illiterate.
They don't have the soil of even

503
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,160
to plant conceptual truths that
could grow and give them a a

504
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,560
better appreciation for the
relationship with God.

505
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,280
And that's I I don't know, I I
feel that a lot of people would

506
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,400
be served if they could improve
their thinking.

507
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,800
But society doesn't want us to
improve our thinking.

508
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,880
It wants to entertain us and
everything is about being

509
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,760
entertained and so and I, and
I'm glad you're kind of I think

510
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,840
a pioneer in that just based on
what I've read from what you do

511
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,920
and so.
I'm announcing, I'm announcing

512
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,040
today a Zoom call, which a lot
of people that listen to your

513
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,800
answer radio are going to get a
notice from me today.

514
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:57,840
Because on Monday coming right
up, which is February 19th, I'm

515
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,760
putting together inviting people
to a Zoom call to discuss better

516
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,920
thinking.
So this is happening right as we

517
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,840
speak.
Invitations are going out and

518
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,240
I'd like to to draw a wide
circle and include people that

519
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,880
are into the study of ancient
aliens, they're into the study

520
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,560
of ufology, people that are
studying the Urancha book,

521
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,160
people that are interested in
astronomy and science, all kinds

522
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,920
of people to consider how they
personally, I'm going to get

523
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:38,040
very practical how to steps and
discussion on how we can have

524
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760
better thinking because that's
the coming goal of earthly

525
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,080
existence.
When we all agree.

526
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,920
When we look around, we see the
conflicts and families and

527
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,440
amongst nations, and sometimes
it seems like certain nations

528
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,600
are holding grudges for
thousands of years against their

529
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,000
neighbors and still fighting and
still, you know, yeah, we really

530
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000
need to to we seriously indeed
of some better thinking.

531
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Yeah, agreed.
Well, let's leave it there.

532
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,800
Joshua Wilson, people can always
contact you. musician@cox.net.

533
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Is that a?
Musical.

534
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Musical at and he's also a
musician, by the way, an

535
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920
accomplished musician.
Joshua Wilson.

536
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Brother Josh, thank you so much
for all you do and it's good to

537
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080
catch up with you again here on
the Rancher radio show.

538
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Great to be with you, Jim.
Thank you and thanks to all of

539
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,520
your listeners.