Jan. 27, 2026
Your Spirit Is Real
The subject of Spirit Reality, from Paper 12.
In this episode, we explore Science and Spirit reality as a personal living experience.
The spirit nucleus is real.
It's an advanced concept that brings to light why material science can never pfully rovide all of the answers to life, and how spirit values help to complete the picture.
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All right, well, everybody is
freezing.
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Right now, there's no question
about that.
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Welcome to another edition.
Of the Rancher Radio Podcast.
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My name is Jim, a long time
student.
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And what?
Do we talk about what are we?
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Talking about on this program
that is so unique from every.
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Other podcast.
On the planet.
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Well, first of all.
We're talking about something.
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That is a epical revelation.
Which means they don't come
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along very often and this one
came along about. 60 years ago.
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And there's about a million
people around the world.
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That have discovered it, it's
it's as if.
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Jesus himself came back like the
second coming, only this time
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instead of Jesus coming, he sent
his his army of teachers and the
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armies of teachers brilliant
personalities on a.
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Spiritual level were.
Given permission to inform the.
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World of our.
Existence where we came from.
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How we got here?
The purpose of.
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God's creation and what happens
next?
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That's what this podcast is
about.
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It's about.
Examining an epical revelation
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now how many podcasts do you
know where they focus on epical
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revelations now?
I know a lot of.
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Urantia podcasts are out there.
This one, probably one of the
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first ones, I think the one that
beat me was Cosmic Citizen and
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they're wonderful people and
I've been a long time listener
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of that program and a.
Lot of these podcasts that are
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about the Urantia book really
get.
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Into the neat nooks and crannies
of the book.
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But my.
Philosophy is I want to.
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Share the truths of the book
that should be.
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Inspiring to you?
And should.
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Make you want more so that you
can it's like nutrition for.
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The spiritual aspect of you.
It's like getting a vitamin.
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Boost of B12 but for your
spirit.
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And and so.
While we do.
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Bounce around a little bit and.
It does appear as if I'm.
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Going in all kinds of different
directions on on what?
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We talked about there is a.
Really a linear progression and
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what I'm trying.
To do is talk about.
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Something that will appeal.
To a wider group of people.
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Some people might want to find
out about.
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Jesus Christ, so we.
Spent some time talking about
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him.
And his relationships.
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And the truths that.
He taught we talk about the
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Bible a lot because the urantia.
Book seems to bring to life many
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of the.
Biblical truths on a grander.
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Scale and we enjoy that.
We love that.
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I'll tell you what else we like
to talk about is the.
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History of humanity.
There's so much that we don't
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know about ourselves.
And if the Urantia book is
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truly.
An epical revelation, then it's
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filling in a.
Lot of holes.
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And a lot of missing pieces, you
know, my wife does.
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Puzzles all the time.
She's a puzzle.
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Fanatic.
Imagine if you.
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Had a picture.
And most.
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Of the pieces of the puzzle.
Were missing and you didn't have
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the the.
The cover of the puzzle box to
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guide you and you had to figure
out what the the picture
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actually.
Was well, most of us that walk
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on this planet have really no
idea.
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Of what our past was like for
the first. 850,000 years of our
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existence the.
Urantia book fills.
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In those missing holes.
It completes the picture.
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So sometimes we talk about the
earth history as.
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Given to us.
By the revelators.
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Who tell us they've been here
for a long, long time and
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they've been watching us and
they're still here and there's a
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spiritual retinue.
An actual seraphic.
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Government that.
Guides our evolution.
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Along now don't let evolution
be.
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A dirty word.
It's not the Darwinian devil
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revolution I'm talking.
About it's the.
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Cosmic evolution.
Remember, God is not in a hurry.
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In fact, the one thing that God
has all the time in the world
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time itself and so.
We talked about that.
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And we also jump into the more
higher concept.
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And talk about spiritual
reality.
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Sometimes we talk.
About the Spirit.
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That's in you.
Sometimes we talk about what's
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going to.
Happen when we die and when we
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go to that next place, and then
sometimes we talk.
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About the eternal future and
what all of this is about so.
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I can't think of a more exciting
topic than the.
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Rancho Radio podcast.
And you can hear it in my voice.
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I still marvel.
At the the.
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Literary genius.
Of this text OK so for the last
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couple of episodes we've been
really.
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Centering in on.
Paper 12 it's.
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Something that I just reread
recently and there were so many
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aspects.
Of it and we talked.
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About some of the segments in
that paper, it's Paper 12, the
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universe of universes now, when
we first started talking.
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About it we.
Explained the different.
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Levels of space.
So think of space from a bird's
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eye.
View and at the very center of
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this circle is the the Isle of
Paradise.
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And then?
Outside of that.
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Surrounding the.
Isle of Paradise.
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Is Havona 1 billion perfect
worlds?
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Inhabited by perfect.
Beings then outside of that
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Havona level.
Is the. 7 grand universes, which
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represents the seven.
Characteristics of deity, if you
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will.
And then outside.
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Of that. 7 super universes.
Which is where we exist are the
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three outer levels of space that
are.
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Yet uninhabited.
And that's what.
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We've talked about since we
picked up on Paper 12.
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Now in the.
Last couple of chapters of the
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episode we talked about space.
And motion and space and time
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and how they intersect and how
they interrelate.
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And we also took a dive into.
The over control.
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Of the universe in general being
in the hands of Deity and the
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Trinity as well.
So we've covered a lot of very
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heavy topics, but the best one
of all is the.
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One on personal.
Reality and we're going to talk
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about that because this is where
it gets personal.
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This is where all of.
These cosmic realities come down
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and come.
Together.
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So we'll talk about that.
In just a moment, I do want to
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OK, All right, so.
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This break and then we'll come
back and talk.
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About the all.
Important.
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Final chapter of chapter 12,
which is aptly.
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Titled Personal Realities.
So now we're going to talk about
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personal realities on a
spiritual.
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Level.
Up to this point, we've looked
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at the.
Physicality.
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The cosmic dimensions of of the
universe and all of the other
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universes.
The outer rings, the
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uninhabited.
Areas of space.
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And this.
Is all part of God's?
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Creation.
And it is evolving.
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But now we talk.
About.
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All of this on a personal level
and the importance of
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understanding how the value.
Of spirit, really.
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Functions in our living
experience.
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Without this spirit.
Indwelling into us, we would
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simply be material mortal
beings, and material and mortal
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things don't survive death, and
I can think of no other.
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Area of the book where it
explicitly describes why that
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is.
So from Paper 12, Section 9.
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We read that Spirit is the basic
personal.
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Reality in the universe,
everything that we know about in
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the universe, we know.
Because the Spirit.
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Came before.
All of it.
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The Spirit.
Of God came before the material.
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Reality of God, so it reads,
Spirit is the.
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Basic personal reality in the
universe and personality.
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Is basic.
To all progressing.
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Experience with spiritual.
Reality.
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So personality is key because
you and I possess a unique
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personality no one else can be
exactly like.
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Us.
This is why the sum of.
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The human part is not measurable
in terms of quantity.
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You can't put a quantity on
personality.
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You can put a quality, but you
can't put a quantity.
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We are not a sum of our parts.
God does not look at all.
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Of us.
In a quantifiable, you know, per
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unit, there are so many of these
and and this book, this section
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gets into.
That a little bit every.
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Phase of personality experience
it reads on every successive.
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Level.
Of universe progression swarms
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with clues.
To the discovery.
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Of alluring personal realities,
man's true destiny consists in
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the creation of new.
And spirit goals.
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And then in responding to the
cosmic allurements of such of.
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Such supernal goals.
Of non material.
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Value love is the secret.
Of beneficial association
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between personalities.
You cannot really know a person.
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As a result.
Of a single contact.
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You cannot appreciatingly know
music through mathematical
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deduction, even though music is
a form of mathematical rhythm.
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The number assigned to a
telephone subscriber does not in
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any manner.
Identify the.
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Personality of that subscriber
or signifying anything
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concerning his character and
this is where they talk about
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the difference between material
science and.
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Spiritual reality and.
It gets.
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Real deep here especially.
If you tend to lean along, the
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more analytical, pragmatic.
View of life.
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Which many, many people do.
Many people are materialist and
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they are begging you to show
some proof or some existence.
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Of spirit they're begging you
to.
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But they know you can't, because
the world they live in is based
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purely on material science, that
which we can prove so from.
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Paper 12, section.
Nine in addressing this very.
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Issue it reads.
That mathematics, material
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science is indispensable to the
intelligent discussion of the
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material.
Aspects.
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Of the universe, but such
knowledge is not necessarily a
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part.
Of the higher.
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Realization of truth.
Or the.
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Personal appreciation of.
Spiritual realities not.
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Only in the realms of life, but
even in the world's of physical
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energy, the sum of two or more.
Things is very.
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Often something more than or
something different from.
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The predictive or predictable.
Additives and consequences of
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such unions.
The entire science of
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mathematics.
The whole domain.
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Of philosophy, the highest
physics or.
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Chemistry could not or know that
the union of two gaseous
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hydrogen atoms with one gaseous
oxygen atom would result in a
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new and qualitatively super
additive substance.
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Liquid water the.
Understanding of knowledge and
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this one physiochemical
phenomena should have prevented
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the development of a
materialistic philosophy and a
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mechanistic cosmology should
have could have, but maybe it
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still can think about what they
just said there material science
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could never predict.
That if you put H2O together it
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would create water because
every.
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Element of H. 2O is.
Combustible in theory.
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You would predict.
That putting such chemical
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molecules.
Together would actually.
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Cause something to explode, but
in fact you come with liquid
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water and it is one of the most
common elements.
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By the way.
Hydrogen certainly the most
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common element, so they're using
that as an illustration that
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sometimes material science can't
explain everything, and rarely.
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Are are two.
Individual anythings more than
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just being additive as 1 + 1 =
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Who knows, it could be something
else totally different.
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So it reads from paper 12-9
paragraph 4.
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Technical analysis did not does
not reveal what a person or a
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thing can do.
For example, water is used.
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Effectively to extinguish fire.
That water would put out fire as
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a fact.
Of everyday experience and no
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analysis of water could ever be
made.
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To disclose such a property.
Analysis determines that water
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is composed of hydrogen and
oxygen, and a further study of
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these elements discloses that
oxygen is the real supporter of
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combustion and that.
Hydrogen will itself freely
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burn.
And then they make a real quick
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change and they go from that
example to this.
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It says your.
Religion is becoming real
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because it is emerging from the.
Slavery of fear.
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And the bondage of superstition.
Your philosophy struggles.
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For emancipation from dogma and
tradition, your science is
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engaged in the age long contest
between truth and error.
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While it fights.
For deliverance from the bondage
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of abstraction and I, and I've
long pondered what that means.
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What does that mean when it
says?
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It fights for the.
Deliverance from the bondage.
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Of abstraction.
I sense that what it means is
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that.
As hard as.
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The material scientists will.
Try at the.
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End of the.
Day without adding.
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The spiritual element of any.
Observable theory it.
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Still doesn't disclose its.
Value based purely.
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On a material observation,
there's still going to be
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something that's missing, and
that's why it remains abstract.
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So while the.
Scientist is looking.
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For Deliverance.
From that.
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Slavery of abstraction.
The slavery of mathematics and
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the relative blindness of
mechanistic materialism.
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It never arrives.
At the full truth.
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Because it isn't taking into
account.
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The Spiritual aspect of All
Reality from Paper 12. 9 The
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final.
Paragraph Mortal man.
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Has a spirit nucleus.
The mind is a personal energy
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system existing around a divine
spark nucleus and functioning in
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a material environment.
Such a living relationship of
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personal mind and spirit
constitutes the universal
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potential for eternal
personality.
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Real trouble.
Lasting disappointment serious.
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Defeat.
Or inescapable death can only
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come after self concepts
presumed fully to displace the
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governing power of the central.
Spirit nucleus thereby.
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Disrupting the cosmic scheme of
personality identity.
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Now that has to be.
Read or thought?
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About, but essentially.
It says that it's it's.
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Really our own decision with
that line, it's our judgement
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that defeats us, our own
judgement that sometimes defeats
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us.
And when we decide that
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ultimately we can't.
Believe.
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Because we can't see.
We can't.
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Evaluate the Spirit.
Nucleus of every personality and
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by refusing to accept.
That aspect of the truth we are
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really.
Causing our own.
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Spiritual suicide by.
Refusing in.
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Jesus words to.
Be born again.
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Be born of the.
Spirit there has.
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To come a point in a human
being's life where they make a
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final decision on whether they.
Believe that there is the.
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Potential for eternal life.
And I don't know what happens if
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a person doesn't make that
decision.
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Does my spirit make up 1% of me?
Does it make up 10%?
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If it makes up 0%, then then it
wouldn't be possible for me for
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to make that spiritual
transformation inescapable.
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Death only comes.
After self concepts refuse to.
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Acknowledge the spiritual
nucleus.
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So it ultimately have to be our
own decision and and I'm not
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going to let that gas tank ever
get empty.
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I'm going to keep an eye.
On that spiritual.
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Gauge and make sure it's at.
Least half.
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Full so I don't have to worry
about running out of gas.
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Right now, there's no question
about that.
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Welcome to another edition.
Of the Rancher Radio Podcast.
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My name is Jim, a long time
student.
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And what?
Do we talk about what are we?
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Talking about on this program
that is so unique from every.
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Other podcast.
On the planet.
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Well, first of all.
We're talking about something.
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That is a epical revelation.
Which means they don't come
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along very often and this one
came along about. 60 years ago.
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And there's about a million
people around the world.
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That have discovered it, it's
it's as if.
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Jesus himself came back like the
second coming, only this time
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instead of Jesus coming, he sent
his his army of teachers and the
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armies of teachers brilliant
personalities on a.
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Spiritual level were.
Given permission to inform the.
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World of our.
Existence where we came from.
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How we got here?
The purpose of.
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God's creation and what happens
next?
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That's what this podcast is
about.
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It's about.
Examining an epical revelation
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now how many podcasts do you
know where they focus on epical
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revelations now?
I know a lot of.
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Urantia podcasts are out there.
This one, probably one of the
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first ones, I think the one that
beat me was Cosmic Citizen and
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they're wonderful people and
I've been a long time listener
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of that program and a.
Lot of these podcasts that are
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about the Urantia book really
get.
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Into the neat nooks and crannies
of the book.
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But my.
Philosophy is I want to.
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Share the truths of the book
that should be.
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Inspiring to you?
And should.
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Make you want more so that you
can it's like nutrition for.
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The spiritual aspect of you.
It's like getting a vitamin.
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Boost of B12 but for your
spirit.
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And and so.
While we do.
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Bounce around a little bit and.
It does appear as if I'm.
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Going in all kinds of different
directions on on what?
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We talked about there is a.
Really a linear progression and
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what I'm trying.
To do is talk about.
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Something that will appeal.
To a wider group of people.
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Some people might want to find
out about.
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Jesus Christ, so we.
Spent some time talking about
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him.
And his relationships.
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And the truths that.
He taught we talk about the
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Bible a lot because the urantia.
Book seems to bring to life many
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of the.
Biblical truths on a grander.
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Scale and we enjoy that.
We love that.
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I'll tell you what else we like
to talk about is the.
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History of humanity.
There's so much that we don't
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know about ourselves.
And if the Urantia book is
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truly.
An epical revelation, then it's
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filling in a.
Lot of holes.
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And a lot of missing pieces, you
know, my wife does.
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Puzzles all the time.
She's a puzzle.
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Fanatic.
Imagine if you.
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Had a picture.
And most.
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Of the pieces of the puzzle.
Were missing and you didn't have
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the the.
The cover of the puzzle box to
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guide you and you had to figure
out what the the picture
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actually.
Was well, most of us that walk
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on this planet have really no
idea.
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Of what our past was like for
the first. 850,000 years of our
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existence the.
Urantia book fills.
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In those missing holes.
It completes the picture.
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So sometimes we talk about the
earth history as.
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Given to us.
By the revelators.
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Who tell us they've been here
for a long, long time and
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they've been watching us and
they're still here and there's a
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spiritual retinue.
An actual seraphic.
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Government that.
Guides our evolution.
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Along now don't let evolution
be.
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A dirty word.
It's not the Darwinian devil
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revolution I'm talking.
About it's the.
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Cosmic evolution.
Remember, God is not in a hurry.
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In fact, the one thing that God
has all the time in the world
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time itself and so.
We talked about that.
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And we also jump into the more
higher concept.
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And talk about spiritual
reality.
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Sometimes we talk.
About the Spirit.
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That's in you.
Sometimes we talk about what's
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going to.
Happen when we die and when we
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go to that next place, and then
sometimes we talk.
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About the eternal future and
what all of this is about so.
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I can't think of a more exciting
topic than the.
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Rancho Radio podcast.
And you can hear it in my voice.
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I still marvel.
At the the.
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Literary genius.
Of this text OK so for the last
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couple of episodes we've been
really.
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Centering in on.
Paper 12 it's.
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Something that I just reread
recently and there were so many
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aspects.
Of it and we talked.
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About some of the segments in
that paper, it's Paper 12, the
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universe of universes now, when
we first started talking.
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About it we.
Explained the different.
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Levels of space.
So think of space from a bird's
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eye.
View and at the very center of
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this circle is the the Isle of
Paradise.
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And then?
Outside of that.
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Surrounding the.
Isle of Paradise.
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Is Havona 1 billion perfect
worlds?
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Inhabited by perfect.
Beings then outside of that
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Havona level.
Is the. 7 grand universes, which
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represents the seven.
Characteristics of deity, if you
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will.
And then outside.
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Of that. 7 super universes.
Which is where we exist are the
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three outer levels of space that
are.
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Yet uninhabited.
And that's what.
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We've talked about since we
picked up on Paper 12.
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Now in the.
Last couple of chapters of the
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episode we talked about space.
And motion and space and time
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and how they intersect and how
they interrelate.
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And we also took a dive into.
The over control.
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Of the universe in general being
in the hands of Deity and the
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Trinity as well.
So we've covered a lot of very
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heavy topics, but the best one
of all is the.
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One on personal.
Reality and we're going to talk
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about that because this is where
it gets personal.
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This is where all of.
These cosmic realities come down
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and come.
Together.
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In just a moment, I do want to
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back and talk.
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About the all.
Important.
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Final chapter of chapter 12,
which is aptly.
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Titled Personal Realities.
So now we're going to talk about
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personal realities on a
spiritual.
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Level.
Up to this point, we've looked
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at the.
Physicality.
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The cosmic dimensions of of the
universe and all of the other
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universes.
The outer rings, the
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uninhabited.
Areas of space.
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And this.
Is all part of God's?
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Creation.
And it is evolving.
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But now we talk.
About.
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All of this on a personal level
and the importance of
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understanding how the value.
Of spirit, really.
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Functions in our living
experience.
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Without this spirit.
Indwelling into us, we would
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simply be material mortal
beings, and material and mortal
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things don't survive death, and
I can think of no other.
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Area of the book where it
explicitly describes why that
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is.
So from Paper 12, Section 9.
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We read that Spirit is the basic
personal.
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Reality in the universe,
everything that we know about in
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the universe, we know.
Because the Spirit.
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Came before.
All of it.
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The Spirit.
Of God came before the material.
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Reality of God, so it reads,
Spirit is the.
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Basic personal reality in the
universe and personality.
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Is basic.
To all progressing.
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Experience with spiritual.
Reality.
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So personality is key because
you and I possess a unique
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personality no one else can be
exactly like.
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Us.
This is why the sum of.
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The human part is not measurable
in terms of quantity.
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You can't put a quantity on
personality.
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You can put a quality, but you
can't put a quantity.
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We are not a sum of our parts.
God does not look at all.
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Of us.
In a quantifiable, you know, per
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unit, there are so many of these
and and this book, this section
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gets into.
That a little bit every.
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Phase of personality experience
it reads on every successive.
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Level.
Of universe progression swarms
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with clues.
To the discovery.
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Of alluring personal realities,
man's true destiny consists in
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the creation of new.
And spirit goals.
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And then in responding to the
cosmic allurements of such of.
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Such supernal goals.
Of non material.
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Value love is the secret.
Of beneficial association
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between personalities.
You cannot really know a person.
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As a result.
Of a single contact.
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You cannot appreciatingly know
music through mathematical
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deduction, even though music is
a form of mathematical rhythm.
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The number assigned to a
telephone subscriber does not in
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any manner.
Identify the.
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Personality of that subscriber
or signifying anything
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concerning his character and
this is where they talk about
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the difference between material
science and.
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Spiritual reality and.
It gets.
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Real deep here especially.
If you tend to lean along, the
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more analytical, pragmatic.
View of life.
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Which many, many people do.
Many people are materialist and
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they are begging you to show
some proof or some existence.
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Of spirit they're begging you
to.
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But they know you can't, because
the world they live in is based
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purely on material science, that
which we can prove so from.
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Paper 12, section.
Nine in addressing this very.
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Issue it reads.
That mathematics, material
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science is indispensable to the
intelligent discussion of the
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material.
Aspects.
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Of the universe, but such
knowledge is not necessarily a
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part.
Of the higher.
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Realization of truth.
Or the.
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Personal appreciation of.
Spiritual realities not.
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Only in the realms of life, but
even in the world's of physical
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energy, the sum of two or more.
Things is very.
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Often something more than or
something different from.
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The predictive or predictable.
Additives and consequences of
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such unions.
The entire science of
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mathematics.
The whole domain.
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Of philosophy, the highest
physics or.
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Chemistry could not or know that
the union of two gaseous
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hydrogen atoms with one gaseous
oxygen atom would result in a
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new and qualitatively super
additive substance.
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Liquid water the.
Understanding of knowledge and
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this one physiochemical
phenomena should have prevented
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the development of a
materialistic philosophy and a
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mechanistic cosmology should
have could have, but maybe it
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still can think about what they
just said there material science
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could never predict.
That if you put H2O together it
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would create water because
every.
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Element of H. 2O is.
Combustible in theory.
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You would predict.
That putting such chemical
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molecules.
Together would actually.
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Cause something to explode, but
in fact you come with liquid
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water and it is one of the most
common elements.
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By the way.
Hydrogen certainly the most
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common element, so they're using
that as an illustration that
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sometimes material science can't
explain everything, and rarely.
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Are are two.
Individual anythings more than
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just being additive as 1 + 1 =
2, it's 1 + 1 equals.
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Who knows, it could be something
else totally different.
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So it reads from paper 12-9
paragraph 4.
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Technical analysis did not does
not reveal what a person or a
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thing can do.
For example, water is used.
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Effectively to extinguish fire.
That water would put out fire as
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a fact.
Of everyday experience and no
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analysis of water could ever be
made.
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To disclose such a property.
Analysis determines that water
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is composed of hydrogen and
oxygen, and a further study of
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these elements discloses that
oxygen is the real supporter of
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combustion and that.
Hydrogen will itself freely
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burn.
And then they make a real quick
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change and they go from that
example to this.
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It says your.
Religion is becoming real
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because it is emerging from the.
Slavery of fear.
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And the bondage of superstition.
Your philosophy struggles.
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For emancipation from dogma and
tradition, your science is
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engaged in the age long contest
between truth and error.
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While it fights.
For deliverance from the bondage
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of abstraction and I, and I've
long pondered what that means.
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What does that mean when it
says?
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It fights for the.
Deliverance from the bondage.
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Of abstraction.
I sense that what it means is
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that.
As hard as.
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The material scientists will.
Try at the.
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End of the.
Day without adding.
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The spiritual element of any.
Observable theory it.
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Still doesn't disclose its.
Value based purely.
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On a material observation,
there's still going to be
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something that's missing, and
that's why it remains abstract.
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So while the.
Scientist is looking.
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For Deliverance.
From that.
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Slavery of abstraction.
The slavery of mathematics and
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the relative blindness of
mechanistic materialism.
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It never arrives.
At the full truth.
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Because it isn't taking into
account.
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The Spiritual aspect of All
Reality from Paper 12. 9 The
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final.
Paragraph Mortal man.
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Has a spirit nucleus.
The mind is a personal energy
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system existing around a divine
spark nucleus and functioning in
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a material environment.
Such a living relationship of
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personal mind and spirit
constitutes the universal
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potential for eternal
personality.
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Real trouble.
Lasting disappointment serious.
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Defeat.
Or inescapable death can only
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come after self concepts
presumed fully to displace the
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governing power of the central.
Spirit nucleus thereby.
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Disrupting the cosmic scheme of
personality identity.
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Now that has to be.
Read or thought?
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About, but essentially.
It says that it's it's.
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Really our own decision with
that line, it's our judgement
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that defeats us, our own
judgement that sometimes defeats
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us.
And when we decide that
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ultimately we can't.
Believe.
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Because we can't see.
We can't.
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Evaluate the Spirit.
Nucleus of every personality and
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by refusing to accept.
That aspect of the truth we are
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really.
Causing our own.
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Spiritual suicide by.
Refusing in.
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Jesus words to.
Be born again.
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Be born of the.
Spirit there has.
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To come a point in a human
being's life where they make a
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final decision on whether they.
Believe that there is the.
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Potential for eternal life.
And I don't know what happens if
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a person doesn't make that
decision.
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Does my spirit make up 1% of me?
Does it make up 10%?
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If it makes up 0%, then then it
wouldn't be possible for me for
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to make that spiritual
transformation inescapable.
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Death only comes.
After self concepts refuse to.
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Acknowledge the spiritual
nucleus.
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So it ultimately have to be our
own decision and and I'm not
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going to let that gas tank ever
get empty.
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I'm going to keep an eye.
On that spiritual.
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Gauge and make sure it's at.
Least half.
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Full so I don't have to worry
about running out of gas.
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