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Dec. 1, 2025

Who Was This Jesus?

Who Was This Jesus?
Who Was This Jesus?
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Who Was This Jesus?

This episide covers several different topics all related to Jesus Christ, Son of Man and Son of God to over a billion people.

But what do those terms mean? and what is the real significance of this man who appeared on the scene two-thousand years ago and changed the entire world with his teachings?

And who was Jesus before the bestowal? why was it so important?

Today, thousands are punished and even willing to face death because of their faith in him, governments today still fear him, and more Western countries who have benefited from his teachings shun him to their own peril.

Let's go deep on this, because no other subject draws such dramatic comparisons between the teachings of Christianity and the teachings of the Urantia Book, than in the story of Jesus.


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Welcome to another edition of
the Rancho Radio podcast.

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My name is Jim Watkins.
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And we'll get underway in a
moment with our episode Who Was

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This Jesus on the Rancher Radio
podcast.

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Well, it's the reason for the
season.

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That's right.
So I want to spend some time

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talking about what the Urantia
book says and tells us about the

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Son of God and the Son of Man
known as of course, Jesus of

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Nazareth.
And in perhaps shed a little bit

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of light on the difference
between what the Christian

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portrayal of Christ is in the
Urantia book portrayal.

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They're not completely on alike
at all, as you will see, and in

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fact, one actually enhances the
appreciation for the other.

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Someone who emails me from time
to time here on the Rancho Radio

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podcast is he sent me an e-mail.
He says I don't want to bother

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you, but just for fun.
He wanted to find out how how

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much Jesus walked and he found
this little nugget, which I

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think is interesting.
I never really think about well,

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how much did Jesus actually
walk?

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Because that's what he did for
most of his adult life is, you

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know, he would walk literally
from country to country.

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And he, he used Chat GPC to
determine from his particular

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paper think it's 134 when he
left Mount Hermon and then

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headed to Jerusalem and then
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And this took place between
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26th AD according to the Urantia
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So they with the use of ChatGPT,
he was able to determine that

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Jesus walked 14 miles on one
day, 26 miles on another day, 43

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miles on the third day, 38 miles
on the 4th day, A1 mile on the

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5th day, another mile on the 6th
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So he must have been in
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Then he proceeded to walk back
to Galilee, 50 miles on day 7

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and 31 miles.
So he walked approximately 209

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miles in one week, a little more
than a week.

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And that's just one snapshot.
Imagine how much he walked when

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he made his trip to Rome and,
and how much time he spent on

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the boat too, for months with
Ganid and Ganad during that

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whole narrative.
And anyway, it's just

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interesting and thank you so
much.

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I, I love hearing from the
people who listen to the

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podcast.
It's really wonderful to have

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you there.
And gosh, I want to do a shout

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out to my friends over at Center
for Unity.

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They've got some really great
stuff going on, all kinds of

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really good websites that that
allow more of a user

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interaction.
If you could ask questions about

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the Urantia book, for example, I
wanted to know where the root

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word of Marancha and, and it
gave me the answers.

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It's just there's so many
resources that they offer with

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all the different apps that they
have.

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So the Center for unity.org, the
Center for unity.org Anyway, so

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let's talk about how the Urantia
Book portrays Christ because one

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of the things that amazes me is
why more Christians aren't

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attracted to the Christianity
that is offered in the Urantia

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book.
And people say, well, it's not a

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Christian book.
Well, to the average onlooker,

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the Urantia Book looks like a
Christian book.

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A third of it is dedicated to
the life and teachings of

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Christ.
Over 700 pages, right?

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So you would think that if you
read the first 3 and you didn't

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read the fourth book, you
wouldn't think it was a

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Christian document.
You would think it was some kind

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of new age religion, right?
That's how most people portray

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it.
That's how much people in their

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first impression even.
And I, and I say this as a mild

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criticism, even a lot of the
artwork that my Urantia book

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readers create.
And I'm not talking about the

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work that Gary Tong does,
because that's on a level that's

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way up here.
He, he has done some incredible

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artwork for the Urantia
movement.

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But I'm talking about the way
that people design portfolios,

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the way they use color schemes
on, on their websites, Very

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flowery.
And, and even some of the, some

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of the stuff that they're using
to create AI artwork.

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It, it has that ring of new age
Ness to it, which, you know, it

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could be a mild criticism
because I think people today are

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so pragmatic about what where
they put their alliances and

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they are very, they see religion
as being toxic.

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So toxic in fact, that 40% of
America has given up on

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religion.
And as the Christianity claims,

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we're all endowed by the spirit
of our creator, that father

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fragment that lives within us,
the spirit light that lighteth

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every man, as it says right?
Then why wouldn't they feel the

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urge or the need to believe in
something higher than

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themselves?
And the answer to that is more

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simple than you probably
imagine.

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It's because they've been raised
to believe it and they've been

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brainwashed to believe that
religion is anti science.

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And they also, if you read, I
think it's in, I want to say

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paper too, there's a quote that
says the farther you are away

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from Havona, the less perfect
the universe is.

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Havona is, of course, the
perfect universe, the first

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universe.
So Havona is a perfect

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representation of a universe
that is divine in all manners,

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all matter, always.
The farther away you move away

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from that, the less perfect the
universe is, because the rest of

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the universe is in an
evolutionary progression.

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It's evolving towards
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What I'm saying is for us, we
live on a planet that is on the

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outskirts or an outpost so far
out that we're almost at the

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edge.
And if Havona is the center of

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all things and is a the
expression of divine perfection,

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and it's that imperfection where
we fail to see divinity.

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The farther you are away from
God, the more imperfection you

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see in in the universe,
particularly in the way that

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people behave.
I want to share with you what

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it's like living in North Korea
right now.

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I started this podcast because
of the atrocities that were

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going on in China back in
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That's what actually inspired me
because it had, it had dawned on

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me that a billion people,
despite 100 years of communism,

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are still willing to die for
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That that just was such a
profound thing.

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And I thought you cannot kill
the human spirit.

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And the Urantia book says there
is no chance of people becoming

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less religious.
But this, this illustrates just

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how how powerful religion is.
And this is an article which is

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entitled North Korea on
Religion, Prison Work Camp or

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Execution of Believers.
The North Korean regime has

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recently boasted that had won
the war against religion, even

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as a new human rights report
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In questioning 15,000 people who
have managed to escape from

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North Korea, 99.6% said that
there is no such thing as free

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religious practice.
It's bad, it's so bad in that

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country.
Christians have long been

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targeted because Kim and there
his regime views religion as a

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direct threat to its power and
as evidence of foreign

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influence.
Anyone caught praying,

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possessing a Bible, or meeting
for worship is labeled part of a

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hostile class and risks
imprisonment, torture or

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execution.
Protestants and Catholics are

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sent straight to political
prison camps without RE

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education, and entire families
can be punished for three

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generations under the regime's
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Returnees who encounter
Christianity abroad or watch

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closely, and those who engage in
religious activity after

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returning home are immediately
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Despite the severe danger, small
pockets of fate persists.

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Some N Koreans still pray alone
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maintaining belief quietly and
in isolation because open

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worship is impossible, according
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now limiter 3.
Competing pressures, state

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indoctrination, forbidden
foreign culture in a quiet

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search for meaning through
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I I I mentioned to you that in
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waning.
It's down by 3040% in America

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and probably 6070% in England
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although I think Germany is
probably more religious than the

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state would have you believe.
They've held on to their faith

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as people have in Hungary and
Poland, sort of Eastern Eastern

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European countries seem to have
more faith of those who had

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experienced communism.
And these people are paying a

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real heavy price.
And it's a real tragedy and it's

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a real travesty.
And that's why there are so many

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people turning to agnosticism.
And I I suspected within a few

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years the Bible will be
considered a highly

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controversial book because our
secular society, it's in our

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education, they're downplaying
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Core to the Christian teaching
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Jesus.
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Son of man and the Son of God
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He is the Redeemer.
He paid the price for man's sin.

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It's going all the way back to
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And of course, these the are the
abbreviated stories as we're

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taught in Bible school on
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And in the Urantia book, of
course, these stories are

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expanded much farther beyond so
that you have a sort of a

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contextual approach to what's
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For.
For example, we know that Adam

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and Eve did default, and this
led to a disruption in the

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Adamic mission, which is to
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and physically over a period of
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We would be a lot farther along.
Adam and Eve may still be here,

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and we would be learning from
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have existed somewhere in the
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All that went away and for
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darkness as the progeny of Adam
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We saw this weekend, I was
watching this in Glenn Beck of

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all people had an interview
talking about the Book of Enoch.

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And in the Book of Enoch, which
is where Michael or Christ got

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the term Son of Man, Enoch talks
a lot about the Nephilim, the

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watchers.
And of course, we know from the

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Urantia book that those were the
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That was the prince's staff from
hundreds of thousands of years

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ago that went into rebellion.
So there's a little bit of truth

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in that story from Genesis as
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All very interesting and very
fascinating.

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But I want to get to this
person, this person that we

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celebrate his birth on December
25th, that billions of people

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around the world, like the
people in North Korea, like the

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people who are in places like
Nigeria where Christians are

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being slaughtered because they
believe in this man named Jesus

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who was the Redeemer and who
gave them salvation.

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And they feel compelled through
the spirit of truth to pay

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homage and honor to the Son of
man who spoke on behalf of the

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Father.
Now the Urantia book is not so

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different.
Let me read to you from Paper 21

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on the Paradise Creator sons.
This is the Jesus before he

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incarnated as Joshua bin Joseph.
He is a Creator son according to

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the Rancher book.
Now what is a Creator Son?

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In paper 21 we read that Creator
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of the universes of time and
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These universe creators and
sovereigns are of dual origin,

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embodying the characteristic of
God the Father and God the Son.

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But each Creator's Son is
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Each is unique in nature as well
as in personality.

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Each is the only begotten Son of
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In the vast working of
organizing, evolving and

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perfecting a local universe,
these High Sons always enjoy the

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sustaining approval of the
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The relationship of the
Creator's Son with their

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Paradise Father is touching and
superlative.

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No doubt the profound affection
of the the Deity parents for

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their divine prodigy is the
wellspring of that beautiful and

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well nigh divine love which even
mortal parents bear their

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children.
These primary Paradise sons are

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personalized as Michaels.
As they go forth from Paradise

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to found their universes, they
are known as Creator Michaels.

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When settled in supreme
authority, they are called

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Master Michaels.
Sometimes we refer to the

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sovereign of your universe of
Nebadon as Christ Michael.

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Oftentimes you'll hear me refer
to that as well, Christ Michael.

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Always and forever do they reign
after the order of Michael, that

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being the designation of the
first son of their order.

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So there's a slightly larger
family in the portrayal of of

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Jesus and as he was as Michael
than what you would get from the

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New Testament.
People in that age would not

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have been able to conceive of
what I just told you.

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There's no way that they would
have been understand that

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dynamic Trinity relationship,
the 1st and 2nd persons of deity

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bringing into existence an order
of sons who go out into the

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universe and create these
universes of perfection.

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It gets more interesting because
we know that Michael was here.

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Each Creator Son is the only
begotten and only begettable

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offspring of the parent union of
the original concepts of the two

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infinite and eternal and perfect
minds of the ever existent

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creators of the universe of
universes.

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So Michael is an offspring.
The man that was born and lived

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on our world is an offspring of
the Trinity.

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That's the differentiation.
Well, you can't rewrite the,

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the, the pedigree of of Christ.
He was the Son of God.

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He's the only son of God.
Well, it's only relatively true

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because Michael is the creator
son of our universe.

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And there are 700,000 universes,
each one consisting of around 10

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million worlds.
Now you see an expansion on this

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idea of what a creator's son is,
and it makes his mission even

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that more fantastic.
It makes it even more humbling

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actually, to know that Christ
could have chosen any one of 10

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million worlds, but He chose
ours.

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And why did He do this?
That's the question.

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Why did he do it?
Well, the reason that he did it

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is because it's part of the
Michael bestowals and there are

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seven groups of bestowal creator
sons and each are classified in

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accordance with the number of
times they have bestowed

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themselves.
Now this happens over a a

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billion year period of time and
through these 7 bestowals and

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they vary in sectors and
universes, they always embrace

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the mortal bestowal adventure.
So each of these other creator

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Michael sons that are out there
in universes that are far, far

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and away from us, they too also
go through their bestowal

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experience.
After each of his bestowals, a

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Creator's son proceeds to the
right hand of the Father, there

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to gain the Father's acceptance
of the bestowal and to receive

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instruction preparatory to the
next episode of universe

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service.
Following the 7th and final

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bestowal, a Creator's Son
receives from the Universal

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Father's supreme authority and
jurisdiction over his universe

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and from Paper 21, Section 4, it
reads.

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It is of record that the Divine
Son of last appearance on your

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planet was a Paradise Creator
Son who had completed 6 phases

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of his bestowal career.
And consequently when he gave up

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the conscious grasp of his
incarnated life on Urantia, he

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could and did truly say it is
finished.

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It was literally finished.
His death on Urantia completed

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his bestowal career.
It was the last step in

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fulfilling the sacred oath of a
Paradise Creator Son.

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And when this experience had
been acquired, such sons are

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Supreme Universe sovereigns.
No longer do they rule as

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Besidrons of the Father, but in
their own right and named as

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King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
With certain stated exceptions,

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the sevenfold bestowal Sons are
unqualifiedly supreme in the

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universes of their abode.
Concerning His local universe

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Quote.
All power in heaven and on earth

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was relegated to this triumphant
and enthroned Master Son.

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So that that is an expansion, a
major expansion to the concepts

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that come from Scripture.
Nothing changes on his divine

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nature, his relationship with
the Father.

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In fact, it's even more
explained in a much deeper

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fashion in this in this writing.
It takes nothing away from the

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divinity of of Jesus Christ.
It takes nothing away from his

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of his earth life and the
importance of it.

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And he truly did represent the
Father.

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I would ask my Christian friends
before you.

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Push this book away.
I I challenge you to read into

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it.
Read the last part of the book.

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It may surprise you and how much
more fully you appreciate the

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masters life while he was on
earth.

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Now it talks about the bestowal.
So we'll spend a minute and I

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just want to spend a minute
because it is important.

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Each of the bestowals allows the
the Michael sons, the Creator

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sons, to experience first hand
what their creation is.

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So in paraphrasing from Paper
21, Section 4, it says when a

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Creator's son designs to effect
the bestowal, a real and

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permanent change is destined to
take place.

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True, the bestowal son is still
and nonetheless a creator, but

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he has added to his nature the
experience of a creature, which

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forever removes him from the
divine level of a Creator's son

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and elevates him to the
experiential plane of a master

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son, one who has fully earned
the right to rule a universe and

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administer its worlds.
The reason for the season?

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And I hope you've enjoyed that.
Until next time, thank you

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again.
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Until next time, God bless,

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Merry Christmas and happy
holidays.

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Hello.
The Angel of the Lord came upon

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them, and the glory of the Lord
shall run about them.

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And they were so afraid, And the
Angel said unto them, And fear

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not.
For behold, I bring your tidings

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of great joy, which shall be to
all people.

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For unto you is born this day in
the city of David, a Savior,

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which is Christ the Lord, and
this shall be a sign unto you.

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He shall find the Abe wrapped in
swaddling clothes, lying in a

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Manger.
And suddenly there was with the

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Angel a multitude of the
heavenly host, praising God and

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saying, Glory to God in the
highest and on earth, peace,

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goodwill toward men.
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