May 9, 2025
The Pope and The Urantia Book
Topic of this episode is Echoes of Divine Hierarchy: A Comparative Analysis of the Sons of God in the Urantia Book and the Catholic Church Structure and The Providential Hand In Catholicism.
Perhaps at some future point the Catholic Church may welcome the Templ of the Father at St. Peter's Square.
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I want to talk about the Pope,
the Catholic Church, and the
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Urantia Book in this episode of
the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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We'll get to that in a moment.
I do want to say thank you for
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making me a part of your
listening, and I hope that I can
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impart on you some inspirational
words and ideas as I tried to do
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in every podcast where we
attempt to explain or expand
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upon the truths contained in the
Urantia Book.
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I also was very engaged, as many
of you probably were, in
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watching all the ceremonies and
the selection of the new Pope,
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and it's very exciting.
I'll draw some early conclusions
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it it is exciting and noteworthy
that the Pope comes from
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Chicago, which many know that
the Urantia Book was birthed in
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the same city.
In fact, the Urantia Book was
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published 28 days after the
birth of Pope Leo.
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Pope Leo was born September, I
think it was the 14th in 1955.
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The Urantia Book was published
on October 12th, which is
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Columbus Day 1955, so there's
some interesting comparisons
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there.
I've had it told to me that Pope
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Francis was aware of the Urantia
Book and may have actually read
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the book.
And this comes from several
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different sources.
So with the fact that Pope
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Francis knows this new Pope and
actually hand selected him in
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many ways that led to his
succeeding the Pope, it is, it
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is not without countenance that
we can maybe think this Pope
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knows about the Urantia Book.
Another observation as I was
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watching just before they
announced the new Pope and the
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sun was setting and you were at
Basilica Square or Saint Peter's
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Square, the Basilica, and the
sun was setting.
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And it was a nice picture.
And I saw these interesting rays
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of sunlight that we're peaking
as the sun was setting in in the
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western sky.
And I couldn't help but to
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wonder if there were celestial
hosts that were standing nearby
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observing the entire ceremony.
I wonder what thoughts they
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might have.
And then a couple of days later,
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I was thinking about how the
Catholic Church and doing some
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of my research on how the church
is structured because I'm not a
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Catholic.
I, I wasn't raised in
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Catholicism.
And I got curious about how
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their hierarchy is set up and
how far it goes back and just
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kind of fascinated by the whole
structure.
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And this morning when I woke up,
I, I, I had this yearning to
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read Paper 35 and paper 35
delves into the local universe
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and how Michael and the Divine
Spirit has set up his family and
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together in cooperation with the
Trinity, there are a
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hierarchical order of sons who
each have different duties in
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different positions of structure
throughout the local universe,
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of which Michael is what you
might call the Pope.
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So I want to read to you
something that I produced that
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sort of delves into the
providential hand that we see in
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Catholicism.
And the only reason I say the
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providential hand, it is because
it is truly the only global
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religion that traces its roots
back to Christ, Michael, Jesus
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Christ.
And so for that reason alone, I
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would imagine that the celestial
overseers would, would, would
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take special interest in the
growth and evolution of the
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Catholic Church.
So in my paper, which I have
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called it the Echoes of Divine
Hierarchy, A Comparative
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Analysis of the Sons of God and
the Catholic Church structure.
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So let me share with you some of
my thoughts.
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The organization of divine
personalities in the Arantia
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Book, particularly in Paper 35,
outlines A detailed and
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purposeful hierarchy of
celestial beings known as the
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Sons of God.
These sons, Creator sons,
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magisterial sons, and Trinity
teacher sons, function within a
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divine administration that
closely parallels the
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hierarchical framework of the
Catholic Church.
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Though vastly different in
origin, celestial versus
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institutional, the resemblance
and structure function or
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structural function and spirit
intent is striking and suggest a
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universal pattern of divine
governance echoed on Earth.
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So at the top of the celestial
hierarchy in the Urantia book
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stands the Creator's Son,
Michael, a coordinate of the
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Paradise Trinity, being the
offspring of the first and
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second person of Deity, Father
and the Son.
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Now Michael rules each local
universe, and in the case of our
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universe, this Michael of
Nebadon identified with the
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Incarnate Jesus of Nazareth.
Now this figure is analogous to
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the Pope in Catholicism.
Consider the earthly Vicar of
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Christ and the Supreme Head of
the Church.
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Both serve as the ultimate
spiritual authority within their
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respective domains, embodying a
direct link to the divine
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Source.
Michael to the Universal Father
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and the Pope to Christ.
Next in the hierarchy are the
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magisterial sons or of Onals,
who function as judicial and
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administrative envoys.
They frequently Incarnate to
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bring judgment, guidance, and
moral renewal to planetary
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civilizations.
This role is mirrored in the
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Catholic Church with the
Cardinals and the bishops, who
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act as guardians of doctrine and
overseers of moral and
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theological discipline across
dioceses and the wider church.
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So, just as the magisterial Son
can Incarnate and work among
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mortals, bishops are consecrated
and sent into various regions to
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administer spiritual and
institutional governance.
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A further down the line, the
Trinity Teacher Sons are
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deployed in in teams to
spiritually uplift worlds
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emerging from isolation and
rebellion.
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Their mission is educational,
inspirational, and
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transformative, akin to the work
of priests and missionaries
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within the Church who minister
to the faithful, teach doctrine,
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and foster community renewal.
Now these teacher sons labor to
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bring celestial truths into
planetary consciousness, a task
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mirrored by clergy who shepherd
their flocks toward spiritual
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understanding and salvation.
In both structures, there's a
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tiered order that ensures
oversight, continuity, and
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clarity of spiritual purpose.
Each tier operates not
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independently but in
coordination with higher levels,
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echoing the notion of Apostolic
succession and hierarchical
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unity.
President in Catholic
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ecclesiology.
Even the auxiliary beings in the
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Urantia Framework, Melchizedex,
Baronda, Dicks, Lananandex have
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counterparts in the
ecclesiastical offices of
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deacons, archbishops, and Canon
lawyers, serving administrative
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and intercessory roles that
support the larger mission.
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Ultimately, this parallel
suggests A deeper metaphysical
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insight that spiritual
organization, whether divine or
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ecclesiastical, is designed to
reflect a divine order.
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The Catholic Church and its
historical evolution and
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hierarchical sophistication may
unconsciously mirror the
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supernal administration of the
universe as revealed in the
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Urantia Book.
The residence between the two
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structures points not merely to
coincidence but to a
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transcendent arch type, a
blueprint of divine governance
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instilled in both celestial and
terrestrial institutions.
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You know, the thought had
occurred to me that at some
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future time, what if, and I'll
leave you with this thought,
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what if the New Jerusalem, the
Temple of God, the temple of the
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Father that we read about in
Revelations and described in the
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Urantia book as well, in that
era of light and life, wouldn't
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it be ironic if that new temple
landed right in the middle of
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Saint Peter's Square at some
future time?
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Now, is this a call for all of
us to become Catholics?
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No, but it is an interesting
distinction when you think about
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the hierarchy as described in
Paper 35.
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And I and I would encourage you
to read it if you haven't done
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so already, and then think about
how Catholic the, the Catholic
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faith represents the divine hand
of Providence.
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All right, before we go, I do
want to tell you I'm very, very
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excited about this and I
actually have a call out for
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volunteers, if you will.
So we've reinstituted the
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Urantia Radio live stream and
you can find it right now at
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urantiaradio.org.
If you look at the menu bar, if
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you go to urantiaradio.org, in
the menu bar, you'll see an icon
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that says Urantia Global 24/7.
That is your portal so that you
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can have live 24 hour a day
streaming radio featuring
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exclusively topics, discussions,
conversations, interviews,
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anecdotes, all about the Urantia
book.
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And I would like to get some
contribution.
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I'd like to have dialogue with
people who might have an idea or
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two or some music maybe they
want to present.
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I want this thing to grow into a
Global Radio station with
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contributions coming in from
around the world.
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Maybe you have an A short essay
you'd like to share and you can
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do that.
If you go to the website, you'll
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see that there's a submission
button on the right hand side of
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the screen where you can click
and you can record anything you
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want.
And I'll do all the editing.
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How's that?
So again, I'm excited.
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We've launched the radio stream
featuring a lot of the material
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that you hear on this podcast
and it's live continuous
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streaming.
So if it gives you comfort to
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listen to the Urantia book or
hear about the Urantia book,
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then you've got something and
you don't have to constantly
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clicking and finding and all
that.
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And it's a component to the
podcast which you can find on
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virtually A zillion different
podcast platforms.
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Obviously, you found one because
you're listening to me and I
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appreciate that very much.
If you want to contact me during
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e-mail or through e-mail,
yourranchbookradio@gmail.com and
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please check out the website and
the live streaming.
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Until next time, a blessed
Mother's Day.
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We're recording this on Mother's
Day.
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And of course, we all know the
importance of Mom.
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Wherever Mom is, that's the home
from the divine Mother to our
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earthly mothers.
Indeed, the truth.
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Until next time.
Thanks again for joining me on
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the Rancho Radio podcast.
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I want to talk about the Pope,
the Catholic Church, and the
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Urantia Book in this episode of
the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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We'll get to that in a moment.
I do want to say thank you for
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making me a part of your
listening, and I hope that I can
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impart on you some inspirational
words and ideas as I tried to do
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in every podcast where we
attempt to explain or expand
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upon the truths contained in the
Urantia Book.
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I also was very engaged, as many
of you probably were, in
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watching all the ceremonies and
the selection of the new Pope,
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and it's very exciting.
I'll draw some early conclusions
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it it is exciting and noteworthy
that the Pope comes from
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Chicago, which many know that
the Urantia Book was birthed in
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the same city.
In fact, the Urantia Book was
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published 28 days after the
birth of Pope Leo.
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Pope Leo was born September, I
think it was the 14th in 1955.
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The Urantia Book was published
on October 12th, which is
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Columbus Day 1955, so there's
some interesting comparisons
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there.
I've had it told to me that Pope
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Francis was aware of the Urantia
Book and may have actually read
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the book.
And this comes from several
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different sources.
So with the fact that Pope
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Francis knows this new Pope and
actually hand selected him in
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many ways that led to his
succeeding the Pope, it is, it
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is not without countenance that
we can maybe think this Pope
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knows about the Urantia Book.
Another observation as I was
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watching just before they
announced the new Pope and the
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sun was setting and you were at
Basilica Square or Saint Peter's
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Square, the Basilica, and the
sun was setting.
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And it was a nice picture.
And I saw these interesting rays
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of sunlight that we're peaking
as the sun was setting in in the
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western sky.
And I couldn't help but to
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wonder if there were celestial
hosts that were standing nearby
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observing the entire ceremony.
I wonder what thoughts they
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might have.
And then a couple of days later,
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I was thinking about how the
Catholic Church and doing some
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of my research on how the church
is structured because I'm not a
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Catholic.
I, I wasn't raised in
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Catholicism.
And I got curious about how
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their hierarchy is set up and
how far it goes back and just
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kind of fascinated by the whole
structure.
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And this morning when I woke up,
I, I, I had this yearning to
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read Paper 35 and paper 35
delves into the local universe
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and how Michael and the Divine
Spirit has set up his family and
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together in cooperation with the
Trinity, there are a
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hierarchical order of sons who
each have different duties in
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different positions of structure
throughout the local universe,
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of which Michael is what you
might call the Pope.
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So I want to read to you
something that I produced that
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sort of delves into the
providential hand that we see in
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Catholicism.
And the only reason I say the
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providential hand, it is because
it is truly the only global
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religion that traces its roots
back to Christ, Michael, Jesus
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Christ.
And so for that reason alone, I
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would imagine that the celestial
overseers would, would, would
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take special interest in the
growth and evolution of the
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Catholic Church.
So in my paper, which I have
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called it the Echoes of Divine
Hierarchy, A Comparative
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Analysis of the Sons of God and
the Catholic Church structure.
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So let me share with you some of
my thoughts.
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The organization of divine
personalities in the Arantia
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Book, particularly in Paper 35,
outlines A detailed and
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purposeful hierarchy of
celestial beings known as the
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Sons of God.
These sons, Creator sons,
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magisterial sons, and Trinity
teacher sons, function within a
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divine administration that
closely parallels the
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hierarchical framework of the
Catholic Church.
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Though vastly different in
origin, celestial versus
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institutional, the resemblance
and structure function or
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structural function and spirit
intent is striking and suggest a
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universal pattern of divine
governance echoed on Earth.
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So at the top of the celestial
hierarchy in the Urantia book
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stands the Creator's Son,
Michael, a coordinate of the
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Paradise Trinity, being the
offspring of the first and
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second person of Deity, Father
and the Son.
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Now Michael rules each local
universe, and in the case of our
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universe, this Michael of
Nebadon identified with the
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Incarnate Jesus of Nazareth.
Now this figure is analogous to
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the Pope in Catholicism.
Consider the earthly Vicar of
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Christ and the Supreme Head of
the Church.
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Both serve as the ultimate
spiritual authority within their
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respective domains, embodying a
direct link to the divine
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Source.
Michael to the Universal Father
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and the Pope to Christ.
Next in the hierarchy are the
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magisterial sons or of Onals,
who function as judicial and
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administrative envoys.
They frequently Incarnate to
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bring judgment, guidance, and
moral renewal to planetary
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civilizations.
This role is mirrored in the
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Catholic Church with the
Cardinals and the bishops, who
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act as guardians of doctrine and
overseers of moral and
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theological discipline across
dioceses and the wider church.
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So, just as the magisterial Son
can Incarnate and work among
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mortals, bishops are consecrated
and sent into various regions to
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administer spiritual and
institutional governance.
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A further down the line, the
Trinity Teacher Sons are
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deployed in in teams to
spiritually uplift worlds
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emerging from isolation and
rebellion.
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Their mission is educational,
inspirational, and
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transformative, akin to the work
of priests and missionaries
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within the Church who minister
to the faithful, teach doctrine,
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and foster community renewal.
Now these teacher sons labor to
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bring celestial truths into
planetary consciousness, a task
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mirrored by clergy who shepherd
their flocks toward spiritual
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understanding and salvation.
In both structures, there's a
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tiered order that ensures
oversight, continuity, and
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clarity of spiritual purpose.
Each tier operates not
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independently but in
coordination with higher levels,
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echoing the notion of Apostolic
succession and hierarchical
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unity.
President in Catholic
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ecclesiology.
Even the auxiliary beings in the
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Urantia Framework, Melchizedex,
Baronda, Dicks, Lananandex have
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counterparts in the
ecclesiastical offices of
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deacons, archbishops, and Canon
lawyers, serving administrative
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and intercessory roles that
support the larger mission.
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Ultimately, this parallel
suggests A deeper metaphysical
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insight that spiritual
organization, whether divine or
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ecclesiastical, is designed to
reflect a divine order.
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The Catholic Church and its
historical evolution and
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hierarchical sophistication may
unconsciously mirror the
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supernal administration of the
universe as revealed in the
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Urantia Book.
The residence between the two
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structures points not merely to
coincidence but to a
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transcendent arch type, a
blueprint of divine governance
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instilled in both celestial and
terrestrial institutions.
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You know, the thought had
occurred to me that at some
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future time, what if, and I'll
leave you with this thought,
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what if the New Jerusalem, the
Temple of God, the temple of the
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Father that we read about in
Revelations and described in the
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Urantia book as well, in that
era of light and life, wouldn't
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it be ironic if that new temple
landed right in the middle of
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Saint Peter's Square at some
future time?
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Now, is this a call for all of
us to become Catholics?
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No, but it is an interesting
distinction when you think about
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the hierarchy as described in
Paper 35.
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And I and I would encourage you
to read it if you haven't done
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so already, and then think about
how Catholic the, the Catholic
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faith represents the divine hand
of Providence.
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All right, before we go, I do
want to tell you I'm very, very
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excited about this and I
actually have a call out for
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volunteers, if you will.
So we've reinstituted the
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Urantia Radio live stream and
you can find it right now at
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urantiaradio.org.
If you look at the menu bar, if
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you go to urantiaradio.org, in
the menu bar, you'll see an icon
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that says Urantia Global 24/7.
That is your portal so that you
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can have live 24 hour a day
streaming radio featuring
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exclusively topics, discussions,
conversations, interviews,
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anecdotes, all about the Urantia
book.
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And I would like to get some
contribution.
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I'd like to have dialogue with
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two or some music maybe they
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I want this thing to grow into a
Global Radio station with
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contributions coming in from
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Maybe you have an A short essay
you'd like to share and you can
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do that.
If you go to the website, you'll
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see that there's a submission
button on the right hand side of
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the screen where you can click
and you can record anything you
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want.
And I'll do all the editing.
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How's that?
So again, I'm excited.
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We've launched the radio stream
featuring a lot of the material
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that you hear on this podcast
and it's live continuous
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So if it gives you comfort to
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listen to the Urantia book or
hear about the Urantia book,
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then you've got something and
you don't have to constantly
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clicking and finding and all
that.
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And it's a component to the
podcast which you can find on
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virtually A zillion different
podcast platforms.
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Obviously, you found one because
you're listening to me and I
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appreciate that very much.
If you want to contact me during
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e-mail or through e-mail,
yourranchbookradio@gmail.com and
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please check out the website and
the live streaming.
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Until next time, a blessed
Mother's Day.
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We're recording this on Mother's
Day.
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And of course, we all know the
importance of Mom.
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Wherever Mom is, that's the home
from the divine Mother to our
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earthly mothers.
Indeed, the truth.
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Until next time.
Thanks again for joining me on
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the Rancho Radio podcast.