March 11, 2026
The Natural Order w/ Jayme Brock
Author Jayme Brock joins me to talk about her new book Recipe of Jesus - which examines Jesus' life as it is presented in the Urantia Book, against the backdrop of something called. "The Laws of Natural Order."
According to this philosophy, Jayme explains, "When we deviate from the laws that govern the natural order of things, systems break down, and we cannot evade the consequences of our actions."
It's a fascinating and uplifting discussion of why things sometimes go wrong, and how Jesus tried to show us this very truth in his life and his teachings.
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I am very happy to have on your
Rancho radio this time up.
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Jamie Brock has written a book
called Recipe of Jesus or the
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Recipe of Jesus.
And we're going to delve into
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the Urantia book quite a bit.
And also about this philosophy
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that has grabbed her attention
from a man who has we talked a
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lot about natural order, the
natural order of things.
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And she's a big fan of Mark
Paseo, who has a website called
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One on Earth is Happening.
And and it has a lot to do
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actually with the Urantia book,
a lot of ties, not ties to it,
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but philosophies that are
shared.
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And here to sort of delve into
all of this is Jamie Brock.
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And thank you so much.
How are you?
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I'm doing well.
Thank you.
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Thank you for having me on
today.
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Appreciate it.
Well, no problem.
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I think I might have run across
your readings or somehow I came
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into contact to some your
material.
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I think you sent me something
and I'm very fascinated.
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There's a, there's a quote in
the Arantia book and I don't
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know, and I might butcher it
completely, but it goes
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something like God's way is the
right way.
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And it's not because it's God's
way.
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It's because it's the best way.
And God only does, you know, the
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best.
And they use that in correlation
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with that, which is that
benefits the most people for the
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most amount of time.
So using that sort of rule to go
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by.
That's why I was just interested
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in learning about natural order
and how that plays to a lot of
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the problems that we're having
in our world.
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We've moved away just as a, for
example, we all had to change
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our clocks ahead this week,
right?
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And I was reading this morning
about how it completely ruins
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every human being's circadian
rhythm because now your body is
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is either getting up too early
and that's not good.
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And it causes a sort of a shift
in your health.
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And then, of course, you know,
natural sunlight is a very
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important thing.
And we kind of, you know, the
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earth didn't change.
We did.
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And now we're one step out of
step with the natural order,
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even in the way that we digest
food and all the processing that
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that they put into it, right?
So you've got people that are
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sick and America is one of the
sickest countries in the world,
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even though we have the most we
spent on on healthcare.
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So there's all these things that
seem to point toward when we
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move away from the natural
order, that's when things start
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to go wrong.
So tell me about natural order,
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your thoughts and and how you
sort of got on this ideological
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path or philosophical path.
OK, well, a number of years ago,
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as I'm watching all of all of
these things in our world play
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out, I'm, I'm always studying
and, and searching and trying to
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understand.
And I came across Mark Passio's
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work and it really, it really
rang true for me, gave me some
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answers that I, I did.
And it's tied into a lot of
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things that I already knew.
But he he, as I continued
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listening, I, I came across as
natural law seminars.
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And every time I listen to
somebody ever since I got the
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Urantia book, the Urantia book
is constantly playing in the
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back of my mind.
And every, every bit of
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information that I eve kind of
goes up against the Urantia book
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to help me discern whether it's
true or probably just, or
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whatever.
Marc Passio's work just rang
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true so many times, just not
always 100%, but really, really
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close.
And when he got to the natural
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law part or when I got to that
part of his, his work, the life
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of Jesus just was everything he
was saying was going up against
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the life of Jesus.
And it all started coming clear
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for me as to what Jesus did and
what he was showing us.
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And so I think the important
thing to to understand, so the
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premise of my book is the recipe
of Jesus.
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So the idea is imagine that
you're watching Julia Child make
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a recipe, but you don't have a
list of the ingredients.
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You don't have the sound.
There's no way for you to know
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what she's making or how she's
putting together except for by
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what you're able to see.
And then to add to that, chunks
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of the video are missing.
So would you be able to
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replicate the recipe?
It would be very difficult.
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Probably not.
I mean, you might be able to be
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like, oh, yeah, there's, there's
definitely butter she used.
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I could tell that was butter.
I don't know how much there was
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some brown powder.
I don't know if that was
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cinnamon or human or I don't
know what the brown powder was.
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I don't know how much that
would.
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So you, you really struggle to
put that recipe together.
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And that's kind of what we're
looking at with Jesus because he
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showed us the way.
He didn't tell us the way.
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He didn't describe it to us.
I mean, he kind of did in parts,
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but if we don't know what we're
looking at, we don't have the
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ingredients list and we don't
have the instructions on how to
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do it.
And we aren't really discerning
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what he was actually showing us.
And so when, when I, when I came
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across the natural law work,
that to me was the ingredient
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list, I could see clearly.
Oh, oh, that's what he was.
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That's what he meant.
That's what he's describing.
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That's why he's living the way
he's living.
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That's why he's making those
decisions.
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And then and then it just all
started coming together for me.
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And the reason, the initial
reason I wrote the book was just
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to prove that theory to myself
was like, OK, I think this is
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what he's doing.
And so as I was putting it all
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together, watching it all add up
and match up beautifully, I was
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like, oh, this is what the
regulators were trying to tell
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us.
And I think, I, I think with
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only having the showing what he
did and then just, it's so open,
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just so much interpretation and
which is why we have so many
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churches out there and, and so
many disagreements.
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But even with the Urantia book,
we really don't have a structure
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to, to offer anybody and say,
this is what he was doing.
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This is, this is the way we
should go.
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This, these, these are the laws
that matter the most that we
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need to understand in our lives
so that we can truly follow him,
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so that we can truly build a
society that reflects what what
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he was teaching.
So that's kind of what I did.
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OK, so you're I want to just say
the name of the book again that
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that Jamie Brock has written is
called the the recipe of Jesus.
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And there's a couple of
statements that you made, one
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being that the the Gospels or
the Bible or the way that we
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view Jesus today is only a
partial picture.
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And using the Julia Child
example, you know, he made this
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wonderful meal, but we don't
really know the recipe.
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We only know a little bit of it.
And your, your belief is that
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the value of the Urantia book is
that it fills in that missing
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gap of information, which I
totally agree with.
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Would you say that's a pretty
correct statement?
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The correct statement.
Yeah, and.
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So, but even with the your
answer book, the revelators
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were, I just think they're just
beautiful in, in honoring Jesus,
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showing us the way they showed
us too, but they didn't, they
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didn't delineate natural law for
us.
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They, they talked about it, they
talked around it.
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They kind of gave ideas, but
they never said and you know,
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and Jesus did this because he
was following, you know.
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OK, so let's delve into the
natural law aspect of things.
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Give me a couple of good
examples of what Jesus did that
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that sort of showcases that he
was well aware of natural law
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and that's sort of a guiding
principle in his life, not
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violating and took much to the
consternation of his apostles
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who really wanted him to
perform, you know, miracles.
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And he would be like, no, I, I,
I that's not now the water of
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the wine wasn't even a, a, a
violation of natural law.
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And that is explained in the
Urantia book.
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So you're right, there are a lot
of references to where Jesus was
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given the opportunity.
And even, yeah, even the water
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in the wine part it that.
I don't know if when you first
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read that part, it made me
laugh.
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I thought it was kind of funny
that that happened and he was
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totally called off guard and he
was just really troubled by it.
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But even in my book, I talk
about that point because there
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there's individual spiritual
laws of progression that you
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must travel.
And in that, in that
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progression, there's areas of,
of things that you need to learn
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how to control that like you,
you achieve new levels of power
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and ability.
And, and he was, he was still
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learning how to control it all
at which, you know, which the
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rancher book didn't omit.
And he said, yeah, he was still
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trying to figure this out.
And, and it was a little
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frustrating for him.
And I think that's beautiful
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that they showed that human side
to him.
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Like this wasn't easy for him to
do either, but it's doable.
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And so yeah, that that was part
of part of it.
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So.
So there's 22 levels here that
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that my book covers there.
And and then they're called the
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arcanas, the two arcanas, the,
the greater arcana and the
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lesser arcana.
And the, it doesn't mean that
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one has more value than the
other, but the greater arcana is
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more like the major knowledge.
It refers to understanding
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larger external systems like how
the universe operates, like
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gravity, motion,
electromagnetism, and and the
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physical forces.
But that also the greater arcana
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also includes the knowledge of
the moral principles that
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determine the outcomes of the
actions of things.
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And so these moral laws govern
how behavior leads to certain
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consequences.
And then the minor arcana is the
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spiritual laws involve the human
psyche, how how our minds
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function and what drives our
behavior, what happens beneath
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the surface at a subconscious
level.
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And and this inner exploration
has has its own set of laws and
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principles.
I refer to them as spiritual
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laws, but just the more
personal.
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So my book maps out the major
arcana.
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You can clearly see that Jesus
knew it, He was teaching it, He
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thoroughly understood it.
And then the minor arcana where
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you see the inner life of Jesus
as he was growing and developing
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those parts in the Urantia book
where it talks about him
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organizing his mind.
I never understood what that
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meant.
But when you map it to the
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spiritual laws in the minor
arcana and you really start
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understanding, oh, this is what
they're talking about.
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This, this is what he was doing.
He, he was organizing his mind
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to be more in harmony with the
spiritual laws of the universe.
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And and so.
Well, that's pretty deep and and
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very interesting too, because I
think you're, you're right.
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There's there are laws governing
every aspect of reality and and
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we know from the Urantia book
that the three major realities
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are mind, matter and spirit.
And in each one of those
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domains, there are, there are
rules that guide to, to keep
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integrity correct and for
taking, for example, moral
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behavior, immoral behavior is is
tends to be self-centered.
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You know, like the concept of
the part in the whole, when the,
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when the part goes bad, it, the
repercussions are felt
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throughout the whole.
The repercussions of sin, for
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example, when, when one person
in the family does something
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bad, everybody in the family
will suffer.
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Just as in the opposite, when
one person in a family or a
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system does something good, then
every everybody also benefits
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from that action as well.
So the consequences are always
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prevalent.
There's always going to be a
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negative or a positive
consequence to any action, any
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thought, any performance is, is
it?
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But by the same token, physical
laws don't have what's that
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expression?
I think you told me physical.
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Laws don't care.
About you, in other words, if
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you.
Jump off a Cliff.
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You're going to die, and
physical laws are not going to
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care that you die.
Yeah, they're immutable.
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It doesn't matter what you think
or feel.
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They're immutable.
And it doesn't matter if you're
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2 and you you didn't know, you
know, you were naive to the the
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physical laws that if you step
any further, you would fall off
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the Cliff.
The law of gravity is going to
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act irregardless.
And so if we understand those
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laws, I think, I think what it's
done for me is, is help me
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understand.
So like you were saying, the
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laws of health.
That's a good.
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Example.
If you're right, yeah, then
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we'll just take this this
example.
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If you are violating the laws of
health and then you you develop
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some kind of a malady, you
really have no right to pray to
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God asking for some miraculous
healing cure to, to, to, to your
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violation of his laws.
So, so it really changes when
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you understand the laws that are
at play, then it really changes
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your perspective.
It changes your understanding of
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your own responsibility and like
you are the common denominator
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of your life.
And so if you if you want a
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better outcome in your health,
then you cannot just pray for
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it.
You have to act on it.
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You have to study those natural
laws that govern health and put
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yourself in alignment and in
harmony with those laws.
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And then you'll then you'll see
your malady turn around.
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But if that's the same in all of
society.
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And then the trick is that a lot
of these, a lot of these natural
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laws have a time delay aspect to
it.
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So you might be eating junk food
all the way into your 40s or 50s
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and not have a problem, but in
your 5th, late 50s and 60s and
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70s, you're laid up with all
sorts of stuff and it's because
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you were in violation for all
those years.
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There's a time delay and that
happens throughout society as
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well.
And, and that's what tricks us
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up is, is that we don't think
that there's a consequence when
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in actuality there are severe
consequences.
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So I forget the exact quote, but
it was in the thoughts to ponder
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that I get every morning from
the foundation.
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One, the one the other day said
sin is the attitude of an
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immature person who has been
given liberty and essentially
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they don't know how to, they
don't know how to act
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responsible.
And I like that because what it
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basically says is what you just
said, which is there are always
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repercussions.
There's always going to be a
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trade off if you don't go.
And how do you figure out the
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natural order?
Here's another one.
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The Urangela says this all the
time.
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There's no magic mechanism to
surviving mortal death except
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for the attitude of the spirit
of the person.
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So you're not.
In other words, you can't just
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hope that when I die, you know
I'm going to translate to to the
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heavenly spheres.
You actually have to kind of
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earn it a little bit.
You have to put you.
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Know everybody.
You have to live in harmony with
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the laws that will get you
there.
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And I think it's interesting
because as, as I'm delving into
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this and and as I've thought
about Jesus years, I've often
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thought, OK, he was he was the
creator of our world.
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He obviously at least some
essence in his being remembered
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all the laws that it took to
create this world, even as, you
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know, as a babe and as growing
up and injured in the house
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sign.
Yeah.
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And those laws would have come
to his memory gradually as he's,
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you know, that spot where he's
observing the pot of water
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boiling and the steam coming off
of it and then later seeing snow
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happening, just like he's
observing these natural laws and
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pondering really deeply on him.
He's learning how the universe
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works for relearning and
remembering.
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And so he would have known all
of these laws as well.
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And his whole being vibrated to
the truth.
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And so for him to be for him to,
for this to be what he was
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teaching us, this is how you
live in harmony with them seems
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very natural and seems more
plausible than anything any of
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the churches have given us.
And I often wondered that like,
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you know, even growing up when I
was a child, just having just
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the smallest inkling of, you
know, you, you put your hand in
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the fire, it's going to get
burned.
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That's a natural law.
It will always happen.
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And and thinking there's got to
be some kind of a connection to
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this and Jesus.
And what he was teaching, but I
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never could see it because I
natural law isn't talked about
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in society.
It's not talked about on the
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news.
It's not talked about at church.
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It's not talked about in
politics.
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It's it's not talked about
anywhere.
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And so it's, it's, it's very
hidden from us.
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It's it's occulted.
It's, it's just, it's hidden.
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And I finally come to a better
understanding of it and, and to
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really start studying it.
This is what everybody needs to
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be talking about.
This is the structure that Jesus
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was teaching us and showing us
and and it and it makes sense
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because this is how his whole
universe operates well.
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That's interesting too.
Because.
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His number one directive was
serve others.
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And I think often about the
difference between a white blood
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cell and a red blood cell.
You know, like if if there was a
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little red, you know, indulge me
for a moment here.
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But let's say there's an
individual little red blood
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cell.
And he says, you know what?
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I don't feel like going, you
know, up this vein or this
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capillary.
I'm just going to do my own
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thing.
And then that that is
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destructive to the body.
You know, if, if, if someone
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within the body or the system
decides that he's going to do it
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his own way.
Like Lucifer is a good example,
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you know, but the the message of
of Christ was always serve
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others.
So I'm inclined to believe that
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every mechanism in the universe
is in is in giving mode is in
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producing progressive mode and
stabilization mode.
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And it's only when you deviate
from the natural order of things
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as they're established by the
deities, that's when we run into
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problems.
So as of, for example, you want
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to know why we have so many
homeless people on the planet
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and in and in Los Angeles who,
who have become to the the point
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of their life where nothing is
working?
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Well, what, what got them there?
Mass consumerism,
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overindulgence, perhaps even
drugs that were issued to them
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by by very highly profitable
pharmaceutical companies that
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care more about profits than
actually curing people.
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You know, that person's life is
the end result not only of all
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of their decisions, but but but
of the circumstances that
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surround societies.
So we're never going to cure
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that problem if we keep doing
the same thing and expecting
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different results.
Exactly, exactly.
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It's, it's going to take a, a
large overhaul and I don't
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expect, I don't expect society
to respond to this, you know,
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and, and turn it around in the
next 50 years.
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I, I don't expect to see it turn
around in my lifetime.
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I, I do, I am concerned that it
will all collapse on itself just
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because you can't keep doing
this and the systems are already
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failing.
It's not sustainable because
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it's in such horrible violation
of natural law.
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It's not sustainable.
And, and my biggest concern is
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can we get this information out
fast enough or to enough people
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that, well, twofold that if the
systems collapse, yeah, if the
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systems collapse, are there
enough people that have this
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knowledge that can rebuild it in
a proper manner?
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Or are we going to rebuild it
this, you know, in its in its
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own likeness and do this again
for our great, great, great
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grandchildren.
And the other thing is, is, is
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to get this enough out there
enough to the Urantia community,
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because there's other
communities I want to reach out
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to on this, The natural law
community being one that when
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these people start looking into
the Urantia book side of this
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with natural law and they start
being curious, I want the
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Urantia community to be ready to
have these kind of conversations
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with them.
It's, it's important.
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And there's a lot of people
doing a lot of great work in
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the, the natural law community,
the voluntarism community.
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There's, there's a lot of people
even in the Christian
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communities that the Christian
Church is really struggling
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because people are seeing
through the charade of, you
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know, it's, it's all about the
money and the power or, or
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whatever it is or, or this, this
can't be the gospel of Jesus.
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It's not, it doesn't add up to a
lot of people.
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And so there's a lot of people
searching for the truth and, and
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I'm going to reach out to them
and say, I, I have something
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substantial to offer you.
I have something complementary
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to what you're already doing.
How, how, How can we get your
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book?
So my book is free and it is it,
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it is a gift.
I guess we all have to have a
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gift for, for the world that we
live in.
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And it is found on the website
recipeofjesus.com.
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You can just download it.
Those aren't actual.
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Recipes.
Like how to cook cereal?
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Yeah, no, not falafels or
anything like that.
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What were his what were his
dietary standards that would be
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important to.
Know yeah, you know, and that is
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that is an interesting part too.
And I love, I love the way Jesus
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handled that because because of
the, the no, you know, you don't
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want to murder life.
And, and so that was part of it.
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And and he was the creator.
Of course he doesn't want to
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murder and any of his life so
that he can eat it.
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So he didn't have a problem, but
he ate fish so that yes, I'm OK
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with that.
But maybe.
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That's.
But if he was, yes, if he was in
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somebody's home or if he was,
you know, growing up in his
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parents home, he ate what was
served and and and that goes to
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the principal people first, then
things.
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But if he was hosting, it was
always needless.
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And so I always, I always
thought that was pretty
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profound.
There was something to that.
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And and so.
Yeah, he abstained from alcohol,
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so he knew that was a no no, But
his emphasis wasn't on don't do
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this, don't do that, don't do
this.
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No, it wasn't.
No, it was more.
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Like, yeah, there was always a
positive and and to that, yeah,
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to that point that is, that is
another point that is brought up
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in in the minor arcana is the
positive going always, always on
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the positive route and and
really anchoring yourself to
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love and something that was
really quite profound as so when
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I finished the book, it was kind
of like finishing a marathon and
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you're just kind of like, whoo,
I'm done.
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But the last couple days I've
been just really kind of
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reflecting back on on the book
and, and seeing it in a
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different light and realizing
how transformative in such a
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deep and profound level love is.
And, and it's just a simple
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word.
And the revelators say, wish we
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had a better word for it because
it doesn't really encapsulate it
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quite right.
But.
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You know.
But love is so profound and and
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the transforming power of it, if
we really could hold on to it
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just to see that it's at the
it's at the very foundation of
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all of these laws, all of them.
It's love.
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I, I have to interject this
because I saw a meme of somebody
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had posted a video of a very
young child.
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It was very well done too, but
it was a close up of a mommy,
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you know, up against the small
child.
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And she would kiss his cheek and
then she'd move back and then
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she'd kiss his cheek again.
And every time this, this child
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could not have been more than
two or three days old.
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I'm talking super, super infant.
And the way the child responded,
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you could just see the love
coming in to the child and the
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expression, the smile, the the
warmth and comfort that he
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received from just such a simple
act of his mother or her mother
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kissing the cheek, the soft
cheek of a young child.
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And it just touched my heart.
And I thought, boy, how
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contagious.
And then I thought, sadly, what
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happens to a child when they
don't get that and what the
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difference is between a child
who who lets this energy fill
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their hearts.
I can't even describe how
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touching that was.
And I wish I'd saved it because
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I would watch that every morning
when I start my day.
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It's profound.
It's profound.
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Yeah, well anyway, so the book
is called The Recipe of Jesus.
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It's free.
You can go to the recipe of is
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it the recipe ofjesus.com or
just recipe.
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No, it's just recipe.
I took the the the off of it.
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It's just recipeofjesus.com.
OK.
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And are you?
Going to write more books do.
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You have other books in mind
that you think you might want to
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try?
Mine, I have two ideas in mind
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that the next thing I want to do
is I have a friend who has a
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studio that I can do an audio
recording of the book because I
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know, I know so many people
really rely on audio recordings.
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They don't have time to sit and
read a book.
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So I'm going to do that next.
But the next thing I'd like, the
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next project I'd like to work on
is distilling all these natural
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law principles into children's
books and really focusing on the
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home school community.
I home educated my children.
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I know what a powerful community
that can be for getting truth
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out their readers.
They, they're happy to study.
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They, they're searching for
truth.
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And so I, I want to really
market this to them, but I want
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to, I want to have children's
books explaining natural law and
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teaching that.
And then, and I'm open, if, if
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somebody out there that hears
this has written children's
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books and think I can, I can
take that on, please let me
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know, come through my website
and drop me a line.
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I would, I would love to work
with others on getting this more
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out there.
I think my ultimate desire would
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be to have a book written kind
of along the lines of Louisa May
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Alcott style writing.
Just really beautiful classic
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literature based off of natural
law.
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Jamie Brock and the website
againrecipeofjesus.com.
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Thank you so much.
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I am very happy to have on your
Rancho radio this time up.
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Jamie Brock has written a book
called Recipe of Jesus or the
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Recipe of Jesus.
And we're going to delve into
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the Urantia book quite a bit.
And also about this philosophy
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that has grabbed her attention
from a man who has we talked a
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lot about natural order, the
natural order of things.
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And she's a big fan of Mark
Paseo, who has a website called
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One on Earth is Happening.
And and it has a lot to do
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actually with the Urantia book,
a lot of ties, not ties to it,
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but philosophies that are
shared.
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And here to sort of delve into
all of this is Jamie Brock.
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And thank you so much.
How are you?
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I'm doing well.
Thank you.
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Thank you for having me on
today.
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Appreciate it.
Well, no problem.
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I think I might have run across
your readings or somehow I came
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into contact to some your
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I think you sent me something
and I'm very fascinated.
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There's a, there's a quote in
the Arantia book and I don't
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know, and I might butcher it
completely, but it goes
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something like God's way is the
right way.
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And it's not because it's God's
way.
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It's because it's the best way.
And God only does, you know, the
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best.
And they use that in correlation
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with that, which is that
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most amount of time.
So using that sort of rule to go
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by.
That's why I was just interested
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in learning about natural order
and how that plays to a lot of
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the problems that we're having
in our world.
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We've moved away just as a, for
example, we all had to change
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our clocks ahead this week,
right?
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And I was reading this morning
about how it completely ruins
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every human being's circadian
rhythm because now your body is
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is either getting up too early
and that's not good.
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And it causes a sort of a shift
in your health.
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And then, of course, you know,
natural sunlight is a very
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important thing.
And we kind of, you know, the
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earth didn't change.
We did.
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And now we're one step out of
step with the natural order,
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even in the way that we digest
food and all the processing that
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that they put into it, right?
So you've got people that are
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sick and America is one of the
sickest countries in the world,
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even though we have the most we
spent on on healthcare.
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So there's all these things that
seem to point toward when we
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move away from the natural
order, that's when things start
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to go wrong.
So tell me about natural order,
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your thoughts and and how you
sort of got on this ideological
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path or philosophical path.
OK, well, a number of years ago,
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as I'm watching all of all of
these things in our world play
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out, I'm, I'm always studying
and, and searching and trying to
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understand.
And I came across Mark Passio's
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work and it really, it really
rang true for me, gave me some
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answers that I, I did.
And it's tied into a lot of
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things that I already knew.
But he he, as I continued
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listening, I, I came across as
natural law seminars.
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And every time I listen to
somebody ever since I got the
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Urantia book, the Urantia book
is constantly playing in the
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back of my mind.
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information that I eve kind of
goes up against the Urantia book
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to help me discern whether it's
true or probably just, or
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whatever.
Marc Passio's work just rang
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true so many times, just not
always 100%, but really, really
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close.
And when he got to the natural
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law part or when I got to that
part of his, his work, the life
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of Jesus just was everything he
was saying was going up against
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the life of Jesus.
And it all started coming clear
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for me as to what Jesus did and
what he was showing us.
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And so I think the important
thing to to understand, so the
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premise of my book is the recipe
of Jesus.
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So the idea is imagine that
you're watching Julia Child make
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a recipe, but you don't have a
list of the ingredients.
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You don't have the sound.
There's no way for you to know
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what she's making or how she's
putting together except for by
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what you're able to see.
And then to add to that, chunks
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of the video are missing.
So would you be able to
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replicate the recipe?
It would be very difficult.
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Probably not.
I mean, you might be able to be
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like, oh, yeah, there's, there's
definitely butter she used.
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I could tell that was butter.
I don't know how much there was
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some brown powder.
I don't know if that was
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cinnamon or human or I don't
know what the brown powder was.
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I don't know how much that
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So you, you really struggle to
put that recipe together.
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And that's kind of what we're
looking at with Jesus because he
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showed us the way.
He didn't tell us the way.
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He didn't describe it to us.
I mean, he kind of did in parts,
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but if we don't know what we're
looking at, we don't have the
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ingredients list and we don't
have the instructions on how to
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do it.
And we aren't really discerning
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what he was actually showing us.
And so when, when I, when I came
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across the natural law work,
that to me was the ingredient
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list, I could see clearly.
Oh, oh, that's what he was.
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That's what he meant.
That's what he's describing.
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That's why he's living the way
he's living.
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That's why he's making those
decisions.
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And then and then it just all
started coming together for me.
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And the reason, the initial
reason I wrote the book was just
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to prove that theory to myself
was like, OK, I think this is
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what he's doing.
And so as I was putting it all
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together, watching it all add up
and match up beautifully, I was
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like, oh, this is what the
regulators were trying to tell
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us.
And I think, I, I think with
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only having the showing what he
did and then just, it's so open,
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just so much interpretation and
which is why we have so many
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churches out there and, and so
many disagreements.
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But even with the Urantia book,
we really don't have a structure
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to, to offer anybody and say,
this is what he was doing.
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This is, this is the way we
should go.
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This, these, these are the laws
that matter the most that we
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need to understand in our lives
so that we can truly follow him,
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so that we can truly build a
society that reflects what what
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he was teaching.
So that's kind of what I did.
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OK, so you're I want to just say
the name of the book again that
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that Jamie Brock has written is
called the the recipe of Jesus.
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And there's a couple of
statements that you made, one
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being that the the Gospels or
the Bible or the way that we
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view Jesus today is only a
partial picture.
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And using the Julia Child
example, you know, he made this
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wonderful meal, but we don't
really know the recipe.
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We only know a little bit of it.
And your, your belief is that
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the value of the Urantia book is
that it fills in that missing
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gap of information, which I
totally agree with.
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Would you say that's a pretty
correct statement?
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The correct statement.
Yeah, and.
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So, but even with the your
answer book, the revelators
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were, I just think they're just
beautiful in, in honoring Jesus,
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showing us the way they showed
us too, but they didn't, they
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didn't delineate natural law for
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They, they talked about it, they
talked around it.
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They kind of gave ideas, but
they never said and you know,
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and Jesus did this because he
was following, you know.
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OK, so let's delve into the
natural law aspect of things.
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Give me a couple of good
examples of what Jesus did that
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that sort of showcases that he
was well aware of natural law
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and that's sort of a guiding
principle in his life, not
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violating and took much to the
consternation of his apostles
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who really wanted him to
perform, you know, miracles.
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And he would be like, no, I, I,
I that's not now the water of
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the wine wasn't even a, a, a
violation of natural law.
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And that is explained in the
Urantia book.
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So you're right, there are a lot
of references to where Jesus was
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given the opportunity.
And even, yeah, even the water
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in the wine part it that.
I don't know if when you first
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read that part, it made me
laugh.
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I thought it was kind of funny
that that happened and he was
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totally called off guard and he
was just really troubled by it.
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But even in my book, I talk
about that point because there
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there's individual spiritual
laws of progression that you
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must travel.
And in that, in that
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progression, there's areas of,
of things that you need to learn
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how to control that like you,
you achieve new levels of power
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and ability.
And, and he was, he was still
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learning how to control it all
at which, you know, which the
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rancher book didn't omit.
And he said, yeah, he was still
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trying to figure this out.
And, and it was a little
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frustrating for him.
And I think that's beautiful
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that they showed that human side
to him.
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Like this wasn't easy for him to
do either, but it's doable.
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And so yeah, that that was part
of part of it.
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So.
So there's 22 levels here that
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that my book covers there.
And and then they're called the
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arcanas, the two arcanas, the,
the greater arcana and the
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lesser arcana.
And the, it doesn't mean that
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one has more value than the
other, but the greater arcana is
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more like the major knowledge.
It refers to understanding
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larger external systems like how
the universe operates, like
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gravity, motion,
electromagnetism, and and the
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physical forces.
But that also the greater arcana
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also includes the knowledge of
the moral principles that
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determine the outcomes of the
actions of things.
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And so these moral laws govern
how behavior leads to certain
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consequences.
And then the minor arcana is the
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spiritual laws involve the human
psyche, how how our minds
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function and what drives our
behavior, what happens beneath
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the surface at a subconscious
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And and this inner exploration
has has its own set of laws and
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principles.
I refer to them as spiritual
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laws, but just the more
personal.
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So my book maps out the major
arcana.
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You can clearly see that Jesus
knew it, He was teaching it, He
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thoroughly understood it.
And then the minor arcana where
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you see the inner life of Jesus
as he was growing and developing
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those parts in the Urantia book
where it talks about him
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organizing his mind.
I never understood what that
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meant.
But when you map it to the
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spiritual laws in the minor
arcana and you really start
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understanding, oh, this is what
they're talking about.
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This, this is what he was doing.
He, he was organizing his mind
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to be more in harmony with the
spiritual laws of the universe.
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And and so.
Well, that's pretty deep and and
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very interesting too, because I
think you're, you're right.
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There's there are laws governing
every aspect of reality and and
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we know from the Urantia book
that the three major realities
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are mind, matter and spirit.
And in each one of those
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domains, there are, there are
rules that guide to, to keep
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integrity correct and for
taking, for example, moral
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behavior, immoral behavior is is
tends to be self-centered.
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You know, like the concept of
the part in the whole, when the,
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when the part goes bad, it, the
repercussions are felt
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throughout the whole.
The repercussions of sin, for
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example, when, when one person
in the family does something
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bad, everybody in the family
will suffer.
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Just as in the opposite, when
one person in a family or a
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system does something good, then
every everybody also benefits
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from that action as well.
So the consequences are always
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prevalent.
There's always going to be a
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negative or a positive
consequence to any action, any
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thought, any performance is, is
it?
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But by the same token, physical
laws don't have what's that
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expression?
I think you told me physical.
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Laws don't care.
About you, in other words, if
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you.
Jump off a Cliff.
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You're going to die, and
physical laws are not going to
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care that you die.
Yeah, they're immutable.
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It doesn't matter what you think
or feel.
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They're immutable.
And it doesn't matter if you're
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2 and you you didn't know, you
know, you were naive to the the
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physical laws that if you step
any further, you would fall off
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the Cliff.
The law of gravity is going to
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act irregardless.
And so if we understand those
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laws, I think, I think what it's
done for me is, is help me
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understand.
So like you were saying, the
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laws of health.
That's a good.
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Example.
If you're right, yeah, then
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we'll just take this this
example.
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If you are violating the laws of
health and then you you develop
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some kind of a malady, you
really have no right to pray to
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God asking for some miraculous
healing cure to, to, to, to your
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violation of his laws.
So, so it really changes when
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you understand the laws that are
at play, then it really changes
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your perspective.
It changes your understanding of
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your own responsibility and like
you are the common denominator
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of your life.
And so if you if you want a
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better outcome in your health,
then you cannot just pray for
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it.
You have to act on it.
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You have to study those natural
laws that govern health and put
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yourself in alignment and in
harmony with those laws.
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And then you'll then you'll see
your malady turn around.
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But if that's the same in all of
society.
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And then the trick is that a lot
of these, a lot of these natural
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laws have a time delay aspect to
it.
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So you might be eating junk food
all the way into your 40s or 50s
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and not have a problem, but in
your 5th, late 50s and 60s and
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70s, you're laid up with all
sorts of stuff and it's because
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you were in violation for all
those years.
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There's a time delay and that
happens throughout society as
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well.
And, and that's what tricks us
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up is, is that we don't think
that there's a consequence when
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in actuality there are severe
consequences.
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So I forget the exact quote, but
it was in the thoughts to ponder
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that I get every morning from
the foundation.
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One, the one the other day said
sin is the attitude of an
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immature person who has been
given liberty and essentially
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they don't know how to, they
don't know how to act
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responsible.
And I like that because what it
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basically says is what you just
said, which is there are always
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repercussions.
There's always going to be a
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trade off if you don't go.
And how do you figure out the
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natural order?
Here's another one.
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The Urangela says this all the
time.
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There's no magic mechanism to
surviving mortal death except
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for the attitude of the spirit
of the person.
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So you're not.
In other words, you can't just
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hope that when I die, you know
I'm going to translate to to the
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heavenly spheres.
You actually have to kind of
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earn it a little bit.
You have to put you.
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Know everybody.
You have to live in harmony with
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the laws that will get you
there.
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And I think it's interesting
because as, as I'm delving into
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this and and as I've thought
about Jesus years, I've often
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thought, OK, he was he was the
creator of our world.
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He obviously at least some
essence in his being remembered
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all the laws that it took to
create this world, even as, you
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know, as a babe and as growing
up and injured in the house
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sign.
Yeah.
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And those laws would have come
to his memory gradually as he's,
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you know, that spot where he's
observing the pot of water
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boiling and the steam coming off
of it and then later seeing snow
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happening, just like he's
observing these natural laws and
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pondering really deeply on him.
He's learning how the universe
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works for relearning and
remembering.
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And so he would have known all
of these laws as well.
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And his whole being vibrated to
the truth.
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And so for him to be for him to,
for this to be what he was
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teaching us, this is how you
live in harmony with them seems
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very natural and seems more
plausible than anything any of
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the churches have given us.
And I often wondered that like,
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you know, even growing up when I
was a child, just having just
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the smallest inkling of, you
know, you, you put your hand in
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the fire, it's going to get
burned.
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That's a natural law.
It will always happen.
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And and thinking there's got to
be some kind of a connection to
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this and Jesus.
And what he was teaching, but I
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never could see it because I
natural law isn't talked about
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in society.
It's not talked about on the
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news.
It's not talked about at church.
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It's not talked about in
politics.
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It's it's not talked about
anywhere.
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And so it's, it's, it's very
hidden from us.
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It's it's occulted.
It's, it's just, it's hidden.
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And I finally come to a better
understanding of it and, and to
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really start studying it.
This is what everybody needs to
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be talking about.
This is the structure that Jesus
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was teaching us and showing us
and and it and it makes sense
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because this is how his whole
universe operates well.
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That's interesting too.
Because.
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His number one directive was
serve others.
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And I think often about the
difference between a white blood
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cell and a red blood cell.
You know, like if if there was a
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little red, you know, indulge me
for a moment here.
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But let's say there's an
individual little red blood
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cell.
And he says, you know what?
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I don't feel like going, you
know, up this vein or this
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capillary.
I'm just going to do my own
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thing.
And then that that is
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destructive to the body.
You know, if, if, if someone
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within the body or the system
decides that he's going to do it
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his own way.
Like Lucifer is a good example,
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you know, but the the message of
of Christ was always serve
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others.
So I'm inclined to believe that
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every mechanism in the universe
is in is in giving mode is in
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producing progressive mode and
stabilization mode.
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And it's only when you deviate
from the natural order of things
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as they're established by the
deities, that's when we run into
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problems.
So as of, for example, you want
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to know why we have so many
homeless people on the planet
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and in and in Los Angeles who,
who have become to the the point
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of their life where nothing is
working?
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Well, what, what got them there?
Mass consumerism,
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overindulgence, perhaps even
drugs that were issued to them
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by by very highly profitable
pharmaceutical companies that
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care more about profits than
actually curing people.
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You know, that person's life is
the end result not only of all
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of their decisions, but but but
of the circumstances that
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surround societies.
So we're never going to cure
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that problem if we keep doing
the same thing and expecting
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different results.
Exactly, exactly.
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It's, it's going to take a, a
large overhaul and I don't
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expect, I don't expect society
to respond to this, you know,
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and, and turn it around in the
next 50 years.
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I, I don't expect to see it turn
around in my lifetime.
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I, I do, I am concerned that it
will all collapse on itself just
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because you can't keep doing
this and the systems are already
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failing.
It's not sustainable because
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it's in such horrible violation
of natural law.
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It's not sustainable.
And, and my biggest concern is
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can we get this information out
fast enough or to enough people
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that, well, twofold that if the
systems collapse, yeah, if the
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systems collapse, are there
enough people that have this
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knowledge that can rebuild it in
a proper manner?
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Or are we going to rebuild it
this, you know, in its in its
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own likeness and do this again
for our great, great, great
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grandchildren.
And the other thing is, is, is
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to get this enough out there
enough to the Urantia community,
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because there's other
communities I want to reach out
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to on this, The natural law
community being one that when
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these people start looking into
the Urantia book side of this
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with natural law and they start
being curious, I want the
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Urantia community to be ready to
have these kind of conversations
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with them.
It's, it's important.
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And there's a lot of people
doing a lot of great work in
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the, the natural law community,
the voluntarism community.
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There's, there's a lot of people
even in the Christian
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communities that the Christian
Church is really struggling
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because people are seeing
through the charade of, you
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know, it's, it's all about the
money and the power or, or
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whatever it is or, or this, this
can't be the gospel of Jesus.
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It's not, it doesn't add up to a
lot of people.
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And so there's a lot of people
searching for the truth and, and
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I'm going to reach out to them
and say, I, I have something
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substantial to offer you.
I have something complementary
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to what you're already doing.
How, how, How can we get your
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book?
So my book is free and it is it,
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it is a gift.
I guess we all have to have a
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gift for, for the world that we
live in.
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And it is found on the website
recipeofjesus.com.
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You can just download it.
Those aren't actual.
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Recipes.
Like how to cook cereal?
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Yeah, no, not falafels or
anything like that.
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What were his what were his
dietary standards that would be
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important to.
Know yeah, you know, and that is
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that is an interesting part too.
And I love, I love the way Jesus
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handled that because because of
the, the no, you know, you don't
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want to murder life.
And, and so that was part of it.
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And and he was the creator.
Of course he doesn't want to
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murder and any of his life so
that he can eat it.
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So he didn't have a problem, but
he ate fish so that yes, I'm OK
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with that.
But maybe.
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That's.
But if he was, yes, if he was in
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somebody's home or if he was,
you know, growing up in his
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parents home, he ate what was
served and and and that goes to
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the principal people first, then
things.
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But if he was hosting, it was
always needless.
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And so I always, I always
thought that was pretty
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profound.
There was something to that.
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And and so.
Yeah, he abstained from alcohol,
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so he knew that was a no no, But
his emphasis wasn't on don't do
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this, don't do that, don't do
this.
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No, it wasn't.
No, it was more.
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Like, yeah, there was always a
positive and and to that, yeah,
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to that point that is, that is
another point that is brought up
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in in the minor arcana is the
positive going always, always on
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the positive route and and
really anchoring yourself to
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love and something that was
really quite profound as so when
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I finished the book, it was kind
of like finishing a marathon and
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you're just kind of like, whoo,
I'm done.
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But the last couple days I've
been just really kind of
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reflecting back on on the book
and, and seeing it in a
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different light and realizing
how transformative in such a
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deep and profound level love is.
And, and it's just a simple
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word.
And the revelators say, wish we
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had a better word for it because
it doesn't really encapsulate it
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quite right.
But.
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You know.
But love is so profound and and
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the transforming power of it, if
we really could hold on to it
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just to see that it's at the
it's at the very foundation of
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all of these laws, all of them.
It's love.
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I, I have to interject this
because I saw a meme of somebody
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had posted a video of a very
young child.
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It was very well done too, but
it was a close up of a mommy,
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you know, up against the small
child.
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And she would kiss his cheek and
then she'd move back and then
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she'd kiss his cheek again.
And every time this, this child
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could not have been more than
two or three days old.
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I'm talking super, super infant.
And the way the child responded,
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you could just see the love
coming in to the child and the
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expression, the smile, the the
warmth and comfort that he
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received from just such a simple
act of his mother or her mother
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kissing the cheek, the soft
cheek of a young child.
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And it just touched my heart.
And I thought, boy, how
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contagious.
And then I thought, sadly, what
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happens to a child when they
don't get that and what the
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difference is between a child
who who lets this energy fill
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their hearts.
I can't even describe how
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touching that was.
And I wish I'd saved it because
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I would watch that every morning
when I start my day.
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It's profound.
It's profound.
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Yeah, well anyway, so the book
is called The Recipe of Jesus.
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It's free.
You can go to the recipe of is
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it the recipe ofjesus.com or
just recipe.
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No, it's just recipe.
I took the the the off of it.
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It's just recipeofjesus.com.
OK.
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And are you?
Going to write more books do.
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You have other books in mind
that you think you might want to
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try?
Mine, I have two ideas in mind
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that the next thing I want to do
is I have a friend who has a
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studio that I can do an audio
recording of the book because I
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know, I know so many people
really rely on audio recordings.
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They don't have time to sit and
read a book.
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So I'm going to do that next.
But the next thing I'd like, the
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next project I'd like to work on
is distilling all these natural
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law principles into children's
books and really focusing on the
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home school community.
I home educated my children.
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I know what a powerful community
that can be for getting truth
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out their readers.
They, they're happy to study.
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They, they're searching for
truth.
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And so I, I want to really
market this to them, but I want
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to, I want to have children's
books explaining natural law and
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teaching that.
And then, and I'm open, if, if
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somebody out there that hears
this has written children's
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books and think I can, I can
take that on, please let me
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know, come through my website
and drop me a line.
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I would, I would love to work
with others on getting this more
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out there.
I think my ultimate desire would
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be to have a book written kind
of along the lines of Louisa May
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Alcott style writing.
Just really beautiful classic
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literature based off of natural
law.
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Jamie Brock and the website
againrecipeofjesus.com.
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Thank you so much.
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