The Natural Order w/ Jayme Brock

0:20 I am very happy to have on your Rancho radio this time up. Jamie Brock has written a book called Recipe of Jesus or the Recipe of Jesus. And we're going to delve into the Urantia book quite a bit. And also about this philosophy that has grabbed her attention from a man who has we talked a lot about natural order, the natural order of things. And she's a big fan of Mark Paseo, who has a website called One on Earth is Happening. And and it has a lot to do actually with the Urantia book, a lot of ties, not ties to it, but philosophies that are shared. And here to sort of delve into all of this is Jamie Brock.

1:04 And thank you so much. How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you. Thank you for having me on today. Appreciate it. Well, no problem. I think I might have run across your readings or somehow I came into contact to some your material. I think you sent me something and I'm very fascinated. There's a, there's a quote in the Arantia book and I don't know, and I might butcher it completely, but it goes something like God's way is the right way. And it's not because it's God's way. It's because it's the best way. And God only does, you know, the best. And they use that in correlation with that, which is that benefits the most people for the most amount of time. So using that sort of rule to go by. That's why I was just interested in learning about natural order and how that plays to a lot of the problems that we're having in our world.

2:00 We've moved away just as a, for example, we all had to change our clocks ahead this week, right? And I was reading this morning about how it completely ruins every human being's circadian rhythm because now your body is is either getting up too early and that's not good. And it causes a sort of a shift in your health. And then, of course, you know, natural sunlight is a very important thing. And we kind of, you know, the earth didn't change. We did. And now we're one step out of step with the natural order, even in the way that we digest food and all the processing that that they put into it, right? So you've got people that are sick and America is one of the sickest countries in the world, even though we have the most we spent on on healthcare.

2:49 So there's all these things that seem to point toward when we move away from the natural order, that's when things start to go wrong. So tell me about natural order, your thoughts and and how you sort of got on this ideological path or philosophical path. OK, well, a number of years ago, as I'm watching all of all of these things in our world play out, I'm, I'm always studying and, and searching and trying to understand. And I came across Mark Passio's work and it really, it really rang true for me, gave me some answers that I, I did. And it's tied into a lot of things that I already knew. But he he, as I continued listening, I, I came across as natural law seminars.

3:52 And every time I listen to somebody ever since I got the Urantia book, the Urantia book is constantly playing in the back of my mind. And every, every bit of information that I eve kind of goes up against the Urantia book to help me discern whether it's true or probably just, or whatever. Marc Passio's work just rang true so many times, just not always 100%, but really, really close. And when he got to the natural law part or when I got to that part of his, his work, the life of Jesus just was everything he was saying was going up against the life of Jesus. And it all started coming clear for me as to what Jesus did and what he was showing us.

4:50 And so I think the important thing to to understand, so the premise of my book is the recipe of Jesus. So the idea is imagine that you're watching Julia Child make a recipe, but you don't have a list of the ingredients. You don't have the sound. There's no way for you to know what she's making or how she's putting together except for by what you're able to see. And then to add to that, chunks of the video are missing. So would you be able to replicate the recipe? It would be very difficult. Probably not. I mean, you might be able to be like, oh, yeah, there's, there's definitely butter she used.

5:33 I could tell that was butter. I don't know how much there was some brown powder. I don't know if that was cinnamon or human or I don't know what the brown powder was. I don't know how much that would. So you, you really struggle to put that recipe together. And that's kind of what we're looking at with Jesus because he showed us the way. He didn't tell us the way. He didn't describe it to us. I mean, he kind of did in parts, but if we don't know what we're looking at, we don't have the ingredients list and we don't have the instructions on how to do it. And we aren't really discerning what he was actually showing us. And so when, when I, when I came across the natural law work, that to me was the ingredient list, I could see clearly. Oh, oh, that's what he was.

6:36 That's what he meant. That's what he's describing. That's why he's living the way he's living. That's why he's making those decisions. And then and then it just all started coming together for me. And the reason, the initial reason I wrote the book was just to prove that theory to myself was like, OK, I think this is what he's doing. And so as I was putting it all together, watching it all add up and match up beautifully, I was like, oh, this is what the regulators were trying to tell us. And I think, I, I think with only having the showing what he did and then just, it's so open, just so much interpretation and which is why we have so many churches out there and, and so many disagreements.

7:36 But even with the Urantia book, we really don't have a structure to, to offer anybody and say, this is what he was doing. This is, this is the way we should go. This, these, these are the laws that matter the most that we need to understand in our lives so that we can truly follow him, so that we can truly build a society that reflects what what he was teaching. So that's kind of what I did. OK, so you're I want to just say the name of the book again that that Jamie Brock has written is called the the recipe of Jesus.

8:17 And there's a couple of statements that you made, one being that the the Gospels or the Bible or the way that we view Jesus today is only a partial picture. And using the Julia Child example, you know, he made this wonderful meal, but we don't really know the recipe. We only know a little bit of it. And your, your belief is that the value of the Urantia book is that it fills in that missing gap of information, which I totally agree with. Would you say that's a pretty correct statement? The correct statement. Yeah, and. So, but even with the your answer book, the revelators were, I just think they're just beautiful in, in honoring Jesus, showing us the way they showed us too, but they didn't, they didn't delineate natural law for us.

9:09 They, they talked about it, they talked around it. They kind of gave ideas, but they never said and you know, and Jesus did this because he was following, you know. OK, so let's delve into the natural law aspect of things. Give me a couple of good examples of what Jesus did that that sort of showcases that he was well aware of natural law and that's sort of a guiding principle in his life, not violating and took much to the consternation of his apostles who really wanted him to perform, you know, miracles. And he would be like, no, I, I, I that's not now the water of the wine wasn't even a, a, a violation of natural law.

9:50 And that is explained in the Urantia book. So you're right, there are a lot of references to where Jesus was given the opportunity. And even, yeah, even the water in the wine part it that. I don't know if when you first read that part, it made me laugh. I thought it was kind of funny that that happened and he was totally called off guard and he was just really troubled by it. But even in my book, I talk about that point because there there's individual spiritual laws of progression that you must travel. And in that, in that progression, there's areas of, of things that you need to learn how to control that like you, you achieve new levels of power and ability. And, and he was, he was still learning how to control it all at which, you know, which the rancher book didn't omit. And he said, yeah, he was still trying to figure this out. And, and it was a little frustrating for him. And I think that's beautiful that they showed that human side to him.

11:01 Like this wasn't easy for him to do either, but it's doable. And so yeah, that that was part of part of it. So. So there's 22 levels here that that my book covers there. And and then they're called the arcanas, the two arcanas, the, the greater arcana and the lesser arcana. And the, it doesn't mean that one has more value than the other, but the greater arcana is more like the major knowledge. It refers to understanding larger external systems like how the universe operates, like gravity, motion, electromagnetism, and and the physical forces. But that also the greater arcana also includes the knowledge of the moral principles that determine the outcomes of the actions of things.

12:05 And so these moral laws govern how behavior leads to certain consequences. And then the minor arcana is the spiritual laws involve the human psyche, how how our minds function and what drives our behavior, what happens beneath the surface at a subconscious level. And and this inner exploration has has its own set of laws and principles. I refer to them as spiritual laws, but just the more personal. So my book maps out the major arcana.

12:46 You can clearly see that Jesus knew it, He was teaching it, He thoroughly understood it. And then the minor arcana where you see the inner life of Jesus as he was growing and developing those parts in the Urantia book where it talks about him organizing his mind. I never understood what that meant. But when you map it to the spiritual laws in the minor arcana and you really start understanding, oh, this is what they're talking about. This, this is what he was doing. He, he was organizing his mind to be more in harmony with the spiritual laws of the universe.

13:28 And and so. Well, that's pretty deep and and very interesting too, because I think you're, you're right. There's there are laws governing every aspect of reality and and we know from the Urantia book that the three major realities are mind, matter and spirit. And in each one of those domains, there are, there are rules that guide to, to keep integrity correct and for taking, for example, moral behavior, immoral behavior is is tends to be self-centered.

14:08 You know, like the concept of the part in the whole, when the, when the part goes bad, it, the repercussions are felt throughout the whole. The repercussions of sin, for example, when, when one person in the family does something bad, everybody in the family will suffer. Just as in the opposite, when one person in a family or a system does something good, then every everybody also benefits from that action as well. So the consequences are always prevalent. There's always going to be a negative or a positive consequence to any action, any thought, any performance is, is it? But by the same token, physical laws don't have what's that expression? I think you told me physical.

14:54 Laws don't care. About you, in other words, if you. Jump off a Cliff. You're going to die, and physical laws are not going to care that you die. Yeah, they're immutable. It doesn't matter what you think or feel. They're immutable. And it doesn't matter if you're 2 and you you didn't know, you know, you were naive to the the physical laws that if you step any further, you would fall off the Cliff. The law of gravity is going to act irregardless. And so if we understand those laws, I think, I think what it's done for me is, is help me understand. So like you were saying, the laws of health. That's a good.

15:42 Example. If you're right, yeah, then we'll just take this this example. If you are violating the laws of health and then you you develop some kind of a malady, you really have no right to pray to God asking for some miraculous healing cure to, to, to, to your violation of his laws. So, so it really changes when you understand the laws that are at play, then it really changes your perspective. It changes your understanding of your own responsibility and like you are the common denominator of your life. And so if you if you want a better outcome in your health, then you cannot just pray for it. You have to act on it.

16:32 You have to study those natural laws that govern health and put yourself in alignment and in harmony with those laws. And then you'll then you'll see your malady turn around. But if that's the same in all of society. And then the trick is that a lot of these, a lot of these natural laws have a time delay aspect to it. So you might be eating junk food all the way into your 40s or 50s and not have a problem, but in your 5th, late 50s and 60s and 70s, you're laid up with all sorts of stuff and it's because you were in violation for all those years.

17:13 There's a time delay and that happens throughout society as well. And, and that's what tricks us up is, is that we don't think that there's a consequence when in actuality there are severe consequences. So I forget the exact quote, but it was in the thoughts to ponder that I get every morning from the foundation. One, the one the other day said sin is the attitude of an immature person who has been given liberty and essentially they don't know how to, they don't know how to act responsible. And I like that because what it basically says is what you just said, which is there are always repercussions. There's always going to be a trade off if you don't go. And how do you figure out the natural order? Here's another one.

17:59 The Urangela says this all the time. There's no magic mechanism to surviving mortal death except for the attitude of the spirit of the person. So you're not. In other words, you can't just hope that when I die, you know I'm going to translate to to the heavenly spheres. You actually have to kind of earn it a little bit. You have to put you. Know everybody. You have to live in harmony with the laws that will get you there. And I think it's interesting because as, as I'm delving into this and and as I've thought about Jesus years, I've often thought, OK, he was he was the creator of our world.

18:45 He obviously at least some essence in his being remembered all the laws that it took to create this world, even as, you know, as a babe and as growing up and injured in the house sign. Yeah. And those laws would have come to his memory gradually as he's, you know, that spot where he's observing the pot of water boiling and the steam coming off of it and then later seeing snow happening, just like he's observing these natural laws and pondering really deeply on him. He's learning how the universe works for relearning and remembering.

19:28 And so he would have known all of these laws as well. And his whole being vibrated to the truth. And so for him to be for him to, for this to be what he was teaching us, this is how you live in harmony with them seems very natural and seems more plausible than anything any of the churches have given us. And I often wondered that like, you know, even growing up when I was a child, just having just the smallest inkling of, you know, you, you put your hand in the fire, it's going to get burned. That's a natural law. It will always happen.

20:11 And and thinking there's got to be some kind of a connection to this and Jesus. And what he was teaching, but I never could see it because I natural law isn't talked about in society. It's not talked about on the news. It's not talked about at church. It's not talked about in politics. It's it's not talked about anywhere. And so it's, it's, it's very hidden from us. It's it's occulted. It's, it's just, it's hidden. And I finally come to a better understanding of it and, and to really start studying it. This is what everybody needs to be talking about. This is the structure that Jesus was teaching us and showing us and and it and it makes sense because this is how his whole universe operates well.

21:01 That's interesting too. Because. His number one directive was serve others. And I think often about the difference between a white blood cell and a red blood cell. You know, like if if there was a little red, you know, indulge me for a moment here. But let's say there's an individual little red blood cell. And he says, you know what? I don't feel like going, you know, up this vein or this capillary. I'm just going to do my own thing. And then that that is destructive to the body. You know, if, if, if someone within the body or the system decides that he's going to do it his own way. Like Lucifer is a good example, you know, but the the message of of Christ was always serve others. So I'm inclined to believe that every mechanism in the universe is in is in giving mode is in producing progressive mode and stabilization mode.

21:58 And it's only when you deviate from the natural order of things as they're established by the deities, that's when we run into problems. So as of, for example, you want to know why we have so many homeless people on the planet and in and in Los Angeles who, who have become to the the point of their life where nothing is working? Well, what, what got them there? Mass consumerism, overindulgence, perhaps even drugs that were issued to them by by very highly profitable pharmaceutical companies that care more about profits than actually curing people. You know, that person's life is the end result not only of all of their decisions, but but but of the circumstances that surround societies. So we're never going to cure that problem if we keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Exactly, exactly.

22:58 It's, it's going to take a, a large overhaul and I don't expect, I don't expect society to respond to this, you know, and, and turn it around in the next 50 years. I, I don't expect to see it turn around in my lifetime. I, I do, I am concerned that it will all collapse on itself just because you can't keep doing this and the systems are already failing. It's not sustainable because it's in such horrible violation of natural law. It's not sustainable. And, and my biggest concern is can we get this information out fast enough or to enough people that, well, twofold that if the systems collapse, yeah, if the systems collapse, are there enough people that have this knowledge that can rebuild it in a proper manner?

23:48 Or are we going to rebuild it this, you know, in its in its own likeness and do this again for our great, great, great grandchildren. And the other thing is, is, is to get this enough out there enough to the Urantia community, because there's other communities I want to reach out to on this, The natural law community being one that when these people start looking into the Urantia book side of this with natural law and they start being curious, I want the Urantia community to be ready to have these kind of conversations with them. It's, it's important. And there's a lot of people doing a lot of great work in the, the natural law community, the voluntarism community.

24:35 There's, there's a lot of people even in the Christian communities that the Christian Church is really struggling because people are seeing through the charade of, you know, it's, it's all about the money and the power or, or whatever it is or, or this, this can't be the gospel of Jesus. It's not, it doesn't add up to a lot of people. And so there's a lot of people searching for the truth and, and I'm going to reach out to them and say, I, I have something substantial to offer you. I have something complementary to what you're already doing. How, how, How can we get your book? So my book is free and it is it, it is a gift. I guess we all have to have a gift for, for the world that we live in.

25:30 And it is found on the website recipeofjesus.com. You can just download it. Those aren't actual. Recipes. Like how to cook cereal? Yeah, no, not falafels or anything like that. What were his what were his dietary standards that would be important to. Know yeah, you know, and that is that is an interesting part too. And I love, I love the way Jesus handled that because because of the, the no, you know, you don't want to murder life. And, and so that was part of it. And and he was the creator. Of course he doesn't want to murder and any of his life so that he can eat it.

26:15 So he didn't have a problem, but he ate fish so that yes, I'm OK with that. But maybe. That's. But if he was, yes, if he was in somebody's home or if he was, you know, growing up in his parents home, he ate what was served and and and that goes to the principal people first, then things. But if he was hosting, it was always needless. And so I always, I always thought that was pretty profound. There was something to that. And and so. Yeah, he abstained from alcohol, so he knew that was a no no, But his emphasis wasn't on don't do this, don't do that, don't do this.

26:58 No, it wasn't. No, it was more. Like, yeah, there was always a positive and and to that, yeah, to that point that is, that is another point that is brought up in in the minor arcana is the positive going always, always on the positive route and and really anchoring yourself to love and something that was really quite profound as so when I finished the book, it was kind of like finishing a marathon and you're just kind of like, whoo, I'm done. But the last couple days I've been just really kind of reflecting back on on the book and, and seeing it in a different light and realizing how transformative in such a deep and profound level love is. And, and it's just a simple word. And the revelators say, wish we had a better word for it because it doesn't really encapsulate it quite right. But.

27:58 You know. But love is so profound and and the transforming power of it, if we really could hold on to it just to see that it's at the it's at the very foundation of all of these laws, all of them. It's love. I, I have to interject this because I saw a meme of somebody had posted a video of a very young child. It was very well done too, but it was a close up of a mommy, you know, up against the small child. And she would kiss his cheek and then she'd move back and then she'd kiss his cheek again. And every time this, this child could not have been more than two or three days old.

28:38 I'm talking super, super infant. And the way the child responded, you could just see the love coming in to the child and the expression, the smile, the the warmth and comfort that he received from just such a simple act of his mother or her mother kissing the cheek, the soft cheek of a young child. And it just touched my heart. And I thought, boy, how contagious. And then I thought, sadly, what happens to a child when they don't get that and what the difference is between a child who who lets this energy fill their hearts. I can't even describe how touching that was. And I wish I'd saved it because I would watch that every morning when I start my day.

29:28 It's profound. It's profound. Yeah, well anyway, so the book is called The Recipe of Jesus. It's free. You can go to the recipe of is it the recipe ofjesus.com or just recipe. No, it's just recipe. I took the the the off of it. It's just recipeofjesus.com. OK. And are you? Going to write more books do. You have other books in mind that you think you might want to try? Mine, I have two ideas in mind that the next thing I want to do is I have a friend who has a studio that I can do an audio recording of the book because I know, I know so many people really rely on audio recordings. They don't have time to sit and read a book.

30:09 So I'm going to do that next. But the next thing I'd like, the next project I'd like to work on is distilling all these natural law principles into children's books and really focusing on the home school community. I home educated my children. I know what a powerful community that can be for getting truth out their readers. They, they're happy to study. They, they're searching for truth. And so I, I want to really market this to them, but I want to, I want to have children's books explaining natural law and teaching that. And then, and I'm open, if, if somebody out there that hears this has written children's books and think I can, I can take that on, please let me know, come through my website and drop me a line.

31:02 I would, I would love to work with others on getting this more out there. I think my ultimate desire would be to have a book written kind of along the lines of Louisa May Alcott style writing. Just really beautiful classic literature based off of natural law. Jamie Brock and the website againrecipeofjesus.com. Thank you so much. The.