The Life Carrier Sons

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And welcome to another edition
of the Urantia Radio Podcast,

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where we talk about the 5th
epochal revelation.

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This time up, I'm joined by my
good friend and fellow Urantia

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book reader, Joel Garbin, an
engineer by trade, a scientist,

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a real scientist, a real
thinker, and we're going to talk

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about the importance of the life
carrier sons, and hopefully

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solve the question of evolution
versus creation.

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Plus, we're also going to talk
about the importance of family

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in modern life and what has gone
horribly wrong.

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This episode of the Urantia
Radio podcast is coming up.

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Joel Garvin, he's a friend,
known him for a couple of years.

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He's been on a couple of
episodes.

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We've originally got into
ufology and talked about the

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relationship between the Urantia
book and many of the belief

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systems of ufologists and trying
to connect dots here and there.

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But I thought of you.
First of all, how are you?

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And it's good to have you back.
Joel, how are you?

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Oh, great, Jim.
Yeah, it's been a good week and

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I'm always happy to talk to you
about the UB related material.

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We definitely have some good and
far reaching conversations.

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Don't.
We sure do.

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Are you familiar with the life
carrier sons very much from the

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Urancha book and who they are
and all that?

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Yes, I in fact I think those are
some of the more fascinating

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papers, the ones that deal with
the life carriers and how they

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function and what their roles
been in, you know, life

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implantation and the stewardship
of life.

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And that they do provide quite a
few other insights as well that

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I think.
Go.

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Go beyond just that function.
And yes, so I'm very interested.

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And so if that's going to be
part of what we're going to

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discuss today, yeah, let's have
at it.

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Well, I wanted to get your
opinion on some of the

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statements, and I'm referring to
paper 62 and a couple of

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paragraphs, paragraphs 2 and or
sections 2 and sections 3.

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And I want to read a little bit,
sort of as a preface to what

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we're going to talk about.
And this is a lifted from paper

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62 on evolution.
So patient with me while I read

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this.
So it writes and and this was

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written actually by one of two
life carrier sons that have

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remained on this world for how
many millions of years.

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So this is a a an offspring of
the divine son, the creator son,

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the divine spirit and one of
three ancients of days.

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So in their collaborative
effort, they produce these

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magnificent, magnificent Suns
whose job it is to carry life to

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the evolutionary world.
So that's the premise.

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So one of the two wrote a
chapter in paper 62 where they

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explain how evolution came to be
on our world.

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And people think, you know,
evolution, it's against it's it

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means not creation.
Now, once you're done with this

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episode, you'll realize the
beauty and the symmetry of how

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evolution is God's handiwork.
So he writes, it was from an

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agile little reptilian dinosaur
of carnivorous habits, but

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having a comparatively large
brain that the placental mammals

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suddenly sprang.
These mammals developed rapidly

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and in many different ways, not
only giving rise to the common

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modern varieties, but also
evolving into marine types such

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as whales and seals, and into
air navigators like the bat and

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the family.
And later in the evolutionary

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unfolding of intelligence, the
lemur ancestors of the human

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species were far more advanced
in Northern America than in

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other regions.
And they were therefore led to

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migrate from the arena of
western life implantation over

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the Bering land bridge and down
the coast to southwestern Asia,

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where they continued to evolve
and to benefit by the addition

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of the certain strains of the
central life group.

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And I did a little bit of
research and I could probably

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find it.
And I did discover that

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according to biology, there are
different strains of pre

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existent lemurs that existed,
and they have through DNA and

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all kinds of things that they
can play with.

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Now they have determined that
there were various groups of pre

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lemur types of animals and they
were from different regions.

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It's I I was just blown away
when I started reading.

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It's in Wikipedia of all places.
I mean all kinds of notes

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probably for my next book.
But isn't it amazing how the

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Urantia book always seems to be
one step ahead of our own

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scientific discovery?
What do you think about this

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placental mammal suddenly
springing and becoming the

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mother?
And what what goes through your

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mind when you when you've read?
I'm sure you've read this, Joel.

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What do you think this left
carrier is trying to tell us?

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Well, I think part of this is
that when these mutations

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happen, they happen very
spontaneously.

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And it's not necessarily in some
smooth continuum where we can

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readily identify the so-called
missing link or missing links.

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When you have a sudden mutation
with no bridge species there,

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you wouldn't be able to say, oh,
OK, well, this was the

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intermediate form between then
and now, including for, you

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know, our species itself, you
know, because they always talk

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about, OK, what what's the
missing link?

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And, you know, was it was it
Lucy, you know, or some other

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primate type of of creature that
that had intelligence on a

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gradual basis?
You know, there's really a lot

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of mystery around that.
But I think the book does say in

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a few few different places where
the the way life progressed on

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the evolutionary basis, it
sprang suddenly from one species

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to another.
And part of that story says that

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the original genetic material
that was implanted onto, you

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know, this planet, or when it's
done similarly on other planets

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that contain within that genetic
material and they like to use

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the term germplasm for it.
Within that genetic material are

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all the different possible
formulations and genetic

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combinations to account for
every possible life form that

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might arise through the long,
long evolutionary chain of

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events.
And to me that's the most

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incredible startling but
beautiful and humbling fact.

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And I'm accepting it as a fact.
Among all these other mysteries

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that impact on the physical
world and and evolution as a

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mechanism for creation that the
Father planned through the

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Creator Son creative Mother
Spirit you know and the other

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other divine components.
So the the specific question

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that you had about going from a
a small leaping dinosaur to a

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placental mammal, yeah amazing.
But it is consistent with the

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other aspects of of the story
and so that's that's my my first

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comment on that.
And it's interesting because you

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bring up a very good point,
Paper 36 on on this very issue

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of how these life forms are
constructed and designed

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painstakingly.
So it's not an accident the the

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writer writes there are over
1,000,000 fundamental or cosmic

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chemical formulas which
constitute the parent patterns

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of the numerous basic
functioning variations of life

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manifestations.
Satellite number one of the life

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planning sphere, which is a
planet where life carrier sons

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receive their training.
They write in the realm of the

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universe, physicists and
electrochemicists,

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electrochemicists who serve as
technical assistants to the life

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carriers in the work of
capturing, organizing and

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manipulating the essential units
of energy which are employed in

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building up the material
vehicles of life transmission,

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the so-called germ plasm.
So that might sound like a lot

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of gobbledygook, but again, it's
it's basically they're

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explaining to us.
It's unbelievable that the

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revelators really reveal so
much, even to the point where

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explaining that the way that
life evolved on this world was a

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planned event.
The variations were unexpected,

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the spontaneity was still there,
but these life carrier sons were

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sent here on a mission and their
job was to facilitate.

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They also mentioned, Joel, and
then I'll throw it out for

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comment to you, that there was a
chance that the frog that led

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eventually to the development of
human beings could have been

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killed.
There were two other frogs that

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had been killed that also had
the potentials and they also had

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that.
Even under those circumstances,

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we still had 1000 other kinds of
animals who could have evolved

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to become eventual evolutionary
human beings.

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And to me, again, it's just
fascinating that, you know,

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there was a lot of planning.
When we say evolution, we don't

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mean accidental.
These are the these are the

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children of the Son of God who
are going out into the universe

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and bringing life with them.
Or in our case, they're planting

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it in our own, our own
environment.

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I just find that fascinating,
don't you?

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Yeah, I think it speaks to a few
different things.

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One, just the brilliance of the
intelligence that's there and

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from the scientific level, the
degree of knowledge on levels

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that of course we can't even
comprehend.

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But as a scientist myself it
it's very humbling to consider

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that Oh my gosh, what we
consider genius on this planet

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compared to what it is on cosmic
levels, it just pales in

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comparison and and it basically
becomes laughable when we take

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ourselves too seriously no no
matter what our expertise or or

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what we think we know in the
ways of of science and and you

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know other aspects of knowledge.
I think the other thing here

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Jim, is that the plan for
redundancy you mentioned that

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yes, even if these these few
amphibian species, frogs in this

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case, which were apparently the
pathway that led to human

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beings, even if those had not
made it on the survival course,

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that there were other redundant
options that could have come

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through other evolutionary
animal lines that still would

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have resulted in human beings.
Now would would we have looked

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quite the same as we do right
now?

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Well, probably not.
But we still would have likely

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had this same very functional
blueprint of a physical form.

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You know, two arms, 2 legs, one
head, two eyes, that that type

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of thing.
You know, fingers that can can

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build and engineer and all these
other things that are considered

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basic to the human physical
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And and that, apparently, is a
type of blueprint for human

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beings on other planets as well.
Yeah, they they talk about the

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fact that there are, there are
templates, for lack of a better

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term, architectural types and it
starts with 12 and then there's

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variations of that.
We are the we are of the type

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that are determined by 48
chromosomes, 46 trait

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determiners and then the X and
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And it's interesting because I
never really thought about that

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but that's by design.
That was the template that they

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used when they were projecting
what kind of humanoid they would

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eventually like to see based on
our atmosphere based on our

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terrain and and they go through
a whole litany in one of the

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sections where it talks about
the one brain series types of

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humans the air navigator types
of humans the elemental types

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the gravity types all of these
different there are planets that

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have people that can withstand
higher temperatures and colder

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temperatures.
It it really is a fascinating

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study and I'm surprised because
we have so many palaeontologists

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archaeologists all these
different sciences that would

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marvel.
I I'm still I I still I

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understand now why Joel that in
the early days of the revelation

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it was it was said that the
revelators are like guys can't

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you get excited about this We're
giving a revelation This is all

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new stuff we don't I I don't
know if we've gotten there yet

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where we wow I I well, you and I
have but it is amazing.

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But any further thoughts about
that?

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And then I want to get into this
other discussion briefly 'cause

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I like your input any further.
Thoughts.

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Yeah, I I do.
And that's that part of what

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they discuss and I think it is
in that the earlier paper you

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referenced, I think it was 36.
They talk about how there are

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not just terrestrial conditions
like geophysical conditions that

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need to be ripe before they do
the life implantation, but also

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there's astronomic influences
that need to be right now.

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I I had thought about that a
number of times.

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OK, why are they imparting that
particular statement on having

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both geophysical environment and
astronomic environment

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conditions that are favorable
for life?

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Well, what do we know about
mutations?

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Mutations seem to be stimulated
by a certain by by certain

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things in in the environment,
one or radiation that could come

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from a number of different
sources.

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I mean we've all heard that, Oh
my gosh, if you got exposed to

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dangerous radiation coming from,
you know, radioactive elements

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or like a a nuclear power plant
or or the atom bomb testing or

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whatever mutations could occur,
you know, because of the the the

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damage to genetic material to
chromosomes and DNA and such.

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But it doesn't have to
necessarily be a destructive

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influence radiation coming in
the way of perhaps something

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from the core of the planet.
It might be radiation that's

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coming from the various
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that migrate to the core of the
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There might be influences that
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radiation.
It might be radiation coming

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from our own star, of which
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gradations of energy, you know,
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you know, ranging ranging from,
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even, you know, up to gamma
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trigger mutations.
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influences as well that are
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chemistry, especially as it
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the different geologic changes
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all these other things.
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the cosmic bombardment of this
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meteors that are coming in,
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the Earth apparently is due to a
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which is basically space
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comets and such.
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influences from deep space, from
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other types of radiation that
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perhaps are modified by, you
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around the earth, whether it's
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field of the planet and such.
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they plan the timing of the the
life implantation of that

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original primal genetic material
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environmental influences both on
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to space conditions which might
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other planets to our certain
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solar system around other
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system and the complex orbits
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the constellation and then the
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So that the the degree of
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coordination, again it's so
humbling to think that there are

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intelligences that know how to
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incredible precision that it
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to essentially program that all
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responsive matter.
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Comprised of the of DNA.
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just so, so amazing.
So I I think it's I, I would

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just say it's appropriate to
praise the glory of God, Yeah.

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Right.
To think that it was all

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accidental is beyond belief.
But again, you know, as a

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footnote, I'll use this analogy
simply because it's a simple

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one.
You can't watch Rocky from the

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5th movie and then move
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You gotta watch it from the
first movie, right?

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And in the first movie, that's
where you learn in Papers 32

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about who the life carrier sons
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And there was a movie that was
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remember it was a Ridley Scott
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You might recall it where.
Prometheus, yeah.

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Prometheus and and I think it
was my brother who reads the

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ranch book, he said.
You know, they remind me of what

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life carriers might be.
And I thought that's an

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interesting perspective.
So, you know, but I I want to

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give thanks to the life
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And I actually before the show
because I I I put it out there

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in a prayer that I was going to
give homage to the life

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Carrier's son who helped to make
all this possible.

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And I let it sit.
I let it sit.

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And then before I decided to do
the episode, I thought, well,

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who would be a good person?
And your name popped into my

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head.
So you know.

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Take Take that for what it's
worth.

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But I'm.
I think I called the right guy,

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so oh.
Hey, I always love talking to

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you, Jim.
We do have fun, yeah.

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Hey, let me ask you a question
you're old enough to remember,

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and I want to maybe dedicate a
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important The Jubilee of
Jubilees is coming up.

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It's when we celebrate the not
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the Spirit of Truth and the
Master.

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Becoming a Sovereign Master and
completing the mission of living

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life on our world.
And then there's the subsequent

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event of the basically the
marriage between the eternal

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pledge, the eternal pledge of
equality from the Divine Spirit,

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the Mother Spirit, and the
Creator Son.

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So, and they're gonna be
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is when this momentous event,
all these events converged into

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that one day.
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sorry plight of our world and
what has happened in our world.

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And the only thing I can come to
is that somewhere in the last

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100 years we forgot the
importance of family.

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Because I'll put this out there.
What do you think would happen

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to a local universe if a divine
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were to get a divorce?
How much confusion would there

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be in the universe?
Because the Creator Son is the

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father, ultimately, of the
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Melchizedeks, all the way down
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And the Divine Minister is given
sovereignty over all the

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spiritual agents, the Seraphim,
the Supernaphim, all of the the

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offspring of the infinite
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Could you imagine if there was a
divorce and what that would do,

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and how it would destabilize an
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And yet when I look around Joel,
I see that the rise of divorce,

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the devalue of family, children
not having, you know, young

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adults not having kids anymore,
people not getting any.

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I think we're, I think we're
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chaos that comes when the family
breaks down.

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Well, yeah.
Sadly, Jim, I make the same

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observations And your question
about what if there was a cosmic

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divorce between the creator's
son and creative mother's

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spirit.
Yeah, I mean that would just

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cause total pandemonium because
they are the pattern for the

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complementarity of the masculine
and feminine.

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And that certainly has
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human marriage here, not just on
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other planets as well.
So it's, it's an interesting

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question.
I have a lot of confidence that

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such a breakup at the cosmic
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That's highly unlikely.
And I think part of the reason

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for that is because if we look
at what has gone awry in part

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from the the standpoint of of
traditional culture here and and

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whether I well, I would say this
well, I'm going to speak and

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share, share something in my own
life here.

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So I was raised in a very devout
Catholic family, and in

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Catholicism for a long time
there have been marriage

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preparation courses where the
engaged couple would go through

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what were called the Pre Cana
courses and you know, Cana

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referring to the wedding feast
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I don't really.
Think about that.

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Yeah, I don't know if they call
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They might have a different name
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But this was very practical in
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the couple some really pertinent
questions that the couple should

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consider as they look at the,
you know, this life that they

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would be choosing to live
together and and the raising and

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rearing of children that you
know would be part of that

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union.
And how do they support each

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other?
What are the economics,

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realities of married life,
social, religious, all these

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other aspects taken very, very
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nature of that commitment of of
a man to a woman and reverse for

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for their spousal commitment.
So and I will say just here in

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my own human experience, even
though I was raised in the

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Catholic culture, I did not
partake of that training.

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And I think as I look back on,
you know, the marriage that that

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I entered which did not survive
beyond five years, tragically it

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was very, very painful.
It had consequences, you know,

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not just to me and I'm I'm sure
for my ex-spouse, but for the

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children that are, you know,
that came from that union.

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You know, it's been, I would
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continual process of trying to
recover from the consequences of

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that breakup.
And and of course, my own

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children were influenced by
having the pattern for them.

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The models for them had this
great dysfunction where they

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they, they couldn't, they
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And I think a lot of that is
because, you know, I didn't

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engage in the training that had
been available to me.

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I ignored it.
There was wisdom there.

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Yeah, there was wisdom there.
And I didn't partake of it.

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And I see now just looking at
the culture more broadly, we see

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a whole generation or maybe even
the last couple generations that

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have largely ignored this long
long tradition and wisdom that

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has been available to prepare
young people for the commitment

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and the roles and
responsibilities, the the the

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progressing maturity that comes
out of a committed relationship,

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specifically a marriage and the
the awesome role of bringing

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children into the world and
being stand up parents to to

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really take that responsibility
seriously.

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These are incredibly maturing
experiences and opportunities.

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And I I didn't.
I certainly didn't get it right.

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Wish I had.
If I could turn the clock back.

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But I do.
I do.

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Think yeah I do think that we
largely have shunted those

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training opportunities for
letting couples know or or just

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kind of training young men and
training young women in general

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about hey, you don't have to be
fearful of making commitments

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because there's all kinds of
grapefruit that comes out of

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that and nobody gets it perfect.
But we shouldn't be afraid of

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that and and simply indulging in
shallow relationships with a

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hook up culture or you know or
this kind of recent trend of men

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shunning marriage because they
think the man's going to get a

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raw deal if if the marriage
results in in divorce and and

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and by the way I've got this
this phone app where I can have

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gratuitous sex available to me
pretty much any hour of any day.

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Why would I want to just be with
one woman.

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You know, these are these are,
sadly really, you know,

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degenerate new habits that are
are really devastating to the

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whole concept of family and it
is a sad reflection of the

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current, the current culture.
Well, if.

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We can agree that family is the
central nucleus and the

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foundation of a truly
progressive society.

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Then we can also agree that one
of the greatest gifts that the

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Urantia Book, and hence us as
Urantia Book readers, that that

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that gives us exactly the
template for the marriage and

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family institution.
It tells us how we got here, the

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contribution that family makes
to society.

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And I think we need to take, we
all need to take a refresher

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course.
And I think through the book,

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the Urantia book's greatest gift
is, is the the, the ingredients

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that make up marriage and the
commitment between 2 individuals

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and also the cosmic importance
because we are given a divine

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privilege of life procreation.
We are creating a life material

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energy mechanism designed by the
life carrier sons on sphere #4IN

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Salvington, so that we could
produce, you know, living beings

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who have soul potential and it
can actually be connected to and

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are part of the family of God.
And we need a refresher course

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and man, do we need it now.
So yeah.

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I do.
I do think that the Jubilee of

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Jubilees and the consideration
of this cosmic marriage of a of

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our Creator Son and Creative
Mother's Spirit, you know,

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undoubtedly they had such an
intense and intimate

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preparedness for that eternal
union.

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They totally understood all
dimensions of the

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complementarity of the Son and
the Daughter and now becoming

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parents to the beings of a local
universe.

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They understood that on on very,
very deep and rich levels that

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would result in an absolute
commitment, no danger.

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It's stability.
It's stability.

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The the the the Divine Daughter
of the Infinite Spirit is

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stable.
She provides the stability of

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the entire universe of of the
creation of Michael, and it's

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that stability she's staying
home.

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In other words, there is value
in that stability to the child,

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to the children, to the
organizational structure of the

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family, the cohesiveness.
There's nothing wrong with it.

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There never was.
And I think that may have been

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the lie.
The lie of the modern age is

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that the mother was, would had
the responsibility of preserving

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and caring generations forward.
That role's so important and so

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easily cast aside now is nothing
more than patriarchal

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oppression.
And it's sickening, isn't?

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It isn't it interesting as well,
Jim, that the the universal

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mother spirit, she essentially
is the one who anchors the home.

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It even forms her spiritual
presence, forms the very

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boundary which is called the
local universe.

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Everything contained within her
spiritual presence is indeed the

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local universe, and the
creator's son goes out within

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that to basically take care of
business, taking care of duty

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and all that.
So there's that, that

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complementarity there is the the
highest level of commitment and

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fidelity for the sake of a
universal family.

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So it is something that can
really inspire us on on deep

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levels and look toward that
pattern of perfection.

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Not that our relationships are
ever going to be perfect here,

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but to but to.
Yeah.

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To reach for greater levels of
of perfection, which any of us

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can do is reach, yeah.
Well, listen, our time is up.

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Joel Garbin, always a pleasure
and a real honor to catch up

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with you.
And I appreciate you taking time

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out of your day and I hope that
you have a good day of of of

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Jubilee of Jubilees And I look
forward to our next

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conversation.
And once again, I I want to say

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thank you and I appreciate you
and the thousands of people who

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continue to follow and download
these podcasts about the 5th

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epical revelation.
And as always, you can reach me

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at your Rancho book
radio@gmail.com and Brother Jim

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here and it's good to be with
you.

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And thank you for sharing your
time with us.