The Father's Temple

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My interview with Joseph Morgan
is pretty spectacular.

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I think you're going to really
enjoy it.

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Welcome to another edition of
the Rancho Radio podcast.

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We're going to cover a lot of
different subject matter about

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the revelation.
Of course, we'll also get to

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know Joseph Morgan and some of
his interesting contributions

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and stories of his life in in
the particularly New Orleans and

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other projects that he's gone on
to explore that are just

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fascinating.
So we learn about also the UFO

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connection to the Urantia book,
and perhaps even for the first

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time, we'll delve into some deep
metaphysical concepts that

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Joseph shares with us in this
wonderful interview.

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So I look forward to you
listening.

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And we also want to remind you
that though we never asked for

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financial support, we always ask
that you share the podcast or an

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episode with those who you
believe are fellow seekers of

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truth.
It's the sole reason that we do

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these podcasts.
And in the coming weeks we have

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some exciting guest planned,
including the creators of

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Urantia Pedia and the author of
a great new book that I highly

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recommend called The Case for
the Urantia Book.

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And I hope to have Ryan McGuire
on real soon as we continue with

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the Urantia Radio Podcast.
You will have a fascinating

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life, there's no question.
And one of the things I want to

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talk to you about is this
Father's temple that you

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created, that you designed and
built.

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We'll get into the history of
that.

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So it's good to have you on the
Rancho Radio podcast.

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And I want to also talk to you
about thought adjusters because

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we spent a little time before
the the interview.

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So how are you?
And I don't even know where to

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begin.
Let's begin with your journey

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with the Urantia book.
How did you become a Urantia

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book reader?
How did you discover the book?

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After the Superdome project, I
was, I was believing the tension

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of, of raising, you know, that
kind of money and building that

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kind of one-of-a-kind building
on earth.

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And I was, I was always at the
podium.

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I was in front of the state seal
and on TVA lot.

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And no matter where I went in
New Orleans, I couldn't go

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anywhere unless, you know, I
have a huge crowd of people

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around me and all of them with
their palms up because we had a

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couple of we had a couple of
billion dollars in our checking

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account and everybody wanted it.
And so I, I decided to relieve

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the tension by canoeing great
white water rivers in the

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country.
And one of them was the Buffalo

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River here in Arkansas, which
had just been made and was the

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3rd nation's first national
river.

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The whole river is a National
Park.

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And it's, it's got some of the
best white water, you know,

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canoeing, rafting and kayaking
in the country.

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And at certain times it's class
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That's what I was looking for.
I was doing that and I was at, I

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was at the airport one day and
on my way to Oregon to a canoe,

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the Rogue River, tough river out
in Oregon.

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And I've.
Been on it, yeah.

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You've been on the road with the
giant Bluffs and all that, A.

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Good friend of mine also took me
fishing one time on that river.

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It's outside of Grants Pass and
kind of wiggles its way up near

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Crater Lake.
Kind of.

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Yeah.
It's very interesting.

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Beautiful place, too.
Very beautiful.

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It is.
And anyway, so the, the the guy

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that was was talking to me was a
descendant of PGT Beauregard,

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who was our neighbor.
That was the next plantation

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down.
And as you know, PGT Beauregard,

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he was a general in the
Confederate Army and and one of

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his descendants said to me, what
are you doing going out West?

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You know, you, you really, you
know, need to do this in the

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South.
And I said, well, there's no

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fast rivers down here.
He said, oh, yeah, there is.

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There's one called the Buffalo
River and it's a long drive and

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no airplanes in there.
You just have to do it.

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Dirt roads and And so I did and
found it at flood stage and did

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it about 6 times in one day from
Boxley to Ponca to famous places

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on the river and they just
literally fell in love with the

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place.
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And I was sitting at a place
called Lost Valley, and the

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father of the Buffalo River,
Doctor Neil Compton, was sitting

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next to me.
And we were talking about the

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the difficulties it is that way
you encounter when you're doing

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such a huge project like he was
doing.

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And then I had just done.
And I don't know, we got into

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kind of a cosmic conversation
about how there was some inner

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spirit directing us and all
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And then we talked about
universal law, and he talked

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about universal law.
And I said, well, what who could

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know about universal law?
And he said, well, there's a guy

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up this Creek.
He has a book that talks about

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universal law.
And I said, we have to beat

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other planets to know anything
like that.

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And he said, well, there's a
book.

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This course is on all that.
And so he sent me up this up

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this Creek to go see this guy.
And as I approached him, as I

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approached the house, there was
a bridge, a walking bridge from

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one side of the Creek to the
other.

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He came across.
And he was holding this big

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book.
And without even introducing

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myself, he said, I've been
waiting for you.

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And I said, well, why?
He says, I've known you were

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coming because I'm going to give
you this book.

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And after you read it, thousands
upon thousands of people will be

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transformed.
And and I said do tell.

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And so he gave me the book.
And so, you know, for the next,

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I guess, 90 days or so, I read
it and that, and that's how I

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got it in an unusual set of
circumstances And, and being APR

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guy and a, you know, publicist
and all that public relations, I

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just wondered why in the world
had nobody propagated this

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message?
It was obviously a divine

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message.
And so on to Chicago.

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I went to 533 diverse a Parkway
and I walked in, I said, where's

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the PR department?
And they said we don't have 1.

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And I said, well, what's going
on?

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It's the greatest message that's
ever been put on this planet.

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It's the 5th epochal revelation
in the same, you know, vein of

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Jesus and Melchizedek and Adam
and Eve and others.

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I said, you know, needs to be
out there.

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And they said, oh, no, the
mandate said we should do it

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mouth to mouth.
I said, well, OK.

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And that's so that's, that's
what they told me.

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And because I didn't listen and
I went on by trying to publicize

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the book, which was, you know,
the difficult, very difficult.

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But finally I found an audience
in 1997 at the 50th anniversary

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of Roswell.
I found a receptive audience

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there.
And well, everybody there had,

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you know, trinkets and trash,
little spaceships and all that.

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And we had a book that was
translated in five or six other

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languages.
And we had a dancing group and

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they sang Calling Occupants of
Interplanetary Craft and we had

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flutes.
And April was April hell.

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And my daughter was dressed in a
black suit with the three

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concentric circles.
So it was an extraordinary

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thing.
And, and course the world media

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was there and they didn't have
anything to write about.

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And so they all came to our
booth.

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And so I just continued to do
interviews and and film things.

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And there was a little man
standing there and with his

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obviously his son, he looked a
lot like him.

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And his name, his name was
Lieutenant Colonel Corso.

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And he waited patiently after I
did all the interviews.

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And then he he came up to me and
he said what you say is

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absolutely true.
And I said, well, how would you

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know?
He said, well, when we shot down

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the ships at Roswell, I said,
oh, you shot him down.

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And I said, yeah, we shot him
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It was the most secure place on
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This is the only place where
they had nuclear bombers.

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And so nothing was getting in
there and then.

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And so we shot them down and,
and when they crash, we

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extracted the technology.
We had a German team that came

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in on Operation Paper Clip and
it had been a crash in the Black

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Forest in Germany and they had
extracted the technology out of

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the crash in Germany in 1933.
Von Ron was there.

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I've seen pictures of him in
the, you know, where the ship is

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in the woods, and he's standing
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And so after the war, they
brought in all these German

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scientists into America.
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knew it.
And so he gathered them up that

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they had already had experience
of pulling technology off of a

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off of a alien ship.
And so we brought them in into

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Roswell and they worked on all
that technology extraction and,

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you know, little things like
binary information and retrieval

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system, you know, that is
computers and, and, and many

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other things that that they
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And he told me that they would
literally just put them on

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defense contractors desk in the
middle of the night to just put

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them there.
Fiber optics, night vision, all

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that stuff came right out of the
those crashes at Roswell.

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And so I said, well, so you So
you're telling me that the

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inhabitants of those crafts
confirm what this book says?

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And he said, yeah, they did.
They do.

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And so he was dying, and he felt
like he could finally talk.

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And so.
He was literally dying like he

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was sick.
Yes, he was, he was, yeah, he

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was sick.
Well, he's old, very old, you

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know, and, and he was, you know,
on his way out, his son was with

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him kind of holding him up.
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And so, yeah, he's been on TV
and everything with all this.

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And so anyway, I didn't need, I
didn't need him to confirm,

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confirm this.
But I do have a question.

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And this would have been around,
what, 47?

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I mean, when he went through
that, isn't that the period?

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He.
So the book was already, I think

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the plates were struck in 42 or
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I'm talking about the Donnelly
R&R Donnelly plates of the

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Urantia book.
The text had been completed in

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35.
So was this this

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extraterrestrial communicating
with the Earthlings that had

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shot them down and said?
That's what he said.

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That's what he said.
And he was there and he was one

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of the highest, had one of the
highest intelligence ratings,

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you know, in the government,
higher than the president

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Majestic, I think they call it.
And, and yeah, he was, he was a

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bona fide, he was a real deal.
And, and, and I just said, well,

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you know, I don't really need
you to tell me.

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I already know it because the
divine spirit that lives within

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me already told me that.
But I'm glad to confirm it with

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you.
And, and so, but you know, we

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had, we did a lot of interviews
and got it all over the world.

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I remember they took a picture
of us and, and, and sent it

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immediately to the New York
Times.

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And we had never seen anything
like that that wasn't invented

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yet.
They were the first and, and all

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of a sudden our picture was in
the New York Times, you know,

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instantly.
And I thought that was, I

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thought journalism is changing
fast.

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And so anyway, it was a terrific
experience.

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And we got the message out and
it sold a lot of books.

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And we at first got a letter
from the foundation complaining

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about it and all that.
And then we got another letter

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saying, oh, thank you.
You know, our sales have gone.

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You know, we've sold more books
than ever.

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And I said, well, publicity
doesn't hurt.

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And then when we were there, NBC
was there and I think they own

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the Sci-fi Channel, and they
were doing a documentary on

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alien gods, you know, groups
that that talked about aliens,

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divine, you know, divine talked
about creatures that were from

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divine sources and different
groups.

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And they gave us 13 minutes to
explain.

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I always dreamt of being able to
explain the ascension plan, you

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know, to a national audience.
And sure enough, the Sci-fi

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Channel broadcast it, and we got
that 13 minutes on there.

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And of course, right after I
said in my spiel about eternal

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life and planetary successions,
the they brought out a Jewish, a

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Jewish guy, a rabbi, A rabbi, A
rabbi, Yeah.

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And he said, oh, it's too easy.
It's too easy.

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Just have faith.
Oh, no, that's all you've got to

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have sacrifice, you know, blah,
blah.

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But anyway, we got it out there
and it was it was, you know,

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really a great account you.
Don't happen to have a copy of

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of that by any chance that you
could send my way, do you?

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You know, I it was done on one
of these.

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What do they call those things?
That they were the big box type?

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Yeah, the film.
Well, yeah, it was.

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What do they call them?
Not DVD's. 8mm no.

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You know, it's yeah, the kind,
you know, the first ones we had

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when you stuck them in the
machine.

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Yeah, I guess it'd be.
Free the little box.

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Yeah, that's right, VHS.
VHS.

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Yeah, I got it on VHS, but I've
never, I've never moved it to CD

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Well.
I am Avhs player so but we could

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talk about.
That oh, you do.

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Yeah, I do.
OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got

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it.
Janet just happened to come in

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and she never turns the
television on and she turned it

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on and there was April, you
know, doing the intro to the

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whole thing.
And so.

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Yeah.
And, and I was sponsored by, you

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know, all the big car companies,
Mercedes-Benz and everything.

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Anyway, they did that one and it
was very controversial.

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And then the next one was who
killed Kennedy?

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And then that was it. sci-fi
never did documentaries ever

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again, I guess, you know, the
pressure was too great.

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Yeah.
And, And so they it was gone.

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But anyway, it it that was
another feature of our Roswell

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visit, although it took five
years for it to actually be

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broadcast.
I've been trying to make the

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connection to the ufologist and
I've had great conversations

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with the people, Joel Garvin
being one of them.

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He also, he did a PowerPoint and
went to a Ufology convention and

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he is a technician by trade and
I think he's an electrical

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engineer or something.
But anyway, very smart man, not

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easily fooled.
And he went to a, a ufology

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convention and did a PowerPoint
on the Urantia book.

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And he said that he, he was met
favorably.

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And, and I've used this, this
podcast on a number of

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occasions, you know, to explain
to people that this so-called

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extraterrestrial intelligence
is, is not extraterrestrial in

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the physical sense, but is, is
probably guided by the spiritual

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or the seraphic elements of the
universe.

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And I, I don't, I don't think
that's not true based on what I

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read, But I still don't know
what the connection is between

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like the Grays, you know, and
all the various.

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I, I think Joel, maybe some
somebody else said that, that

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maybe these are robots that.
They're sending yes, I, I, I, I

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absolutely agree with that, that
they are the robots and which

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which astounding is that the
bosses that order these robots

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around look like they're about 8
to 10 foot tall and they are,

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you know, they look like a giant
praying mantis actually.

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And so yeah, those are the
bosses.

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And I got that from interview.
I did an interview I saw with a

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professor who claimed to be
abducted, I think she was from

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Berkeley.
And they gave her all kind of

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lie detector tests and she
passed them all.

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And she said when they put her
on the table, we'll do a few

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medical experiments, The little
graves, we're doing everything.

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But when she looked back, she
saw these praying mantises

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creatures giving the orders.
And so, and then we've seen them

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here.
We have these huge caverns here

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in, in Arkansas.
Mystic Caverns is the name of

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the place that they seem to
always be going to and leaving

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from.
And they have giant rooms that

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are just, you know, buried
inside a mountain that no one's

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probably ever been to.
And that's where they, you know,

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the eyewitnesses.
I'm not one of them, but I've

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talked to people who've seen
them and I said, well, man, why

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didn't you report that?
You know, these are hillbillies

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and they just kind of said,
well, you know, they're not

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hurting us.
They're not going to report

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them.
They're not bothering us.

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You.
Know we've seen enough sci-fi

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films to know what happens I
mean army shows up and they

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bring their bazookas and you
know it is it kind of reminds me

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of child childhood end which is
AI think it might be Ray

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Bradbury could be somebody else
but it's a story about how these

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saviors come and they they
basically save humanity but we

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don't see them they won't
disclose what they look like and

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I don't want to give away but
let's just say that the when

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they finally do reveal
themselves everyone realizes

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it's a good thing they didn't do
it previous because everybody

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would have been afraid of them
because of the way they.

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Look, scared to death.
Yeah, I have a very close friend

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who is your anti book believer
who's been, you know, I'd say

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maybe 20 feet from them.
He's about to do a stop sign and

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in that area I'm talking about
and, and all of a sudden 1, he

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saw the shadow on the stop sign,
which makes you have to be

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pretty tall.
And then you saw them and he

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never could find anything on
them, but found these guys who

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were squirrel hunting in Georgia
and where it went into this

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clearing and then saw one and
they ran, ran away.

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And then the next thing I saw
was this is on The History

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Channel, this woman being
interviewed about them and, and

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they were talking about them.
And then just recently, someone

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sent me a you know what remote
viewers are?

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Oh sure, this is something the
CIA was investigating back in

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the 60s.
Remote viewing.

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Oh yeah, yeah, they wired, they
would wire these, they would

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wire these people who could do
that together and they would be

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able to find out what was going
on.

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It's sort of like a midway or
thing, you know, because it's

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always good when you're in
intelligence to not be seen.

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And and so anyway that that's,
and I don't know if you've ever

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read it, but the book by Jim
Marrs, who was a real

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journalist, he wrote, he wrote
KFK and the one they did the

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movie on, and then he wrote
Alien Agenda and a lot of that

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is in there.
And so it's very interesting.

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And then, but the reason I
mentioned remote viewers is

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someone sent me a thing on these
remote viewers who were not told

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anything about the Urantia book.
They just they were told that

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this thing message was coming in
in Chicago and early 1900s and

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you know, they gave them the
location and all that.

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And I didn't know they could go
back in time.

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But according to this thing,
they remote viewers can go back

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in time.
And what they said was

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absolutely astounding because
they said they could see the

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praying mantis type creatures
that were around the where the

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book was actually created, you
know, where Sadler was Sadler

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and Christy.
And so, you know, I've never

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seen them, but you know, I've
seen enough to believe that they

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exist.
And that's what they look like.

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And so anyway, they're friendly.
They're not.

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They're not mean.
They're not giant grasshoppers

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ready to snap our heads off, are
they?

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No, no, nothing like that.
Nothing like that.

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Do you think?
Do you think the material sons

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and daughters, the Adam and
Eve's, do they look humanoid?

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Do you think they must?
Right.

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I mean it.
When Adam and Eve came here, our

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material son and daughter, they
obviously reconstructed bodies.

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But did they look like they did
back home?

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Mean when they got here, Yeah,
in other.

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Words.
How are we talking?

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About the Kalagastra 100, they
didn't even have no.

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Not them, but no, this.
I'm talking about Adam and Eve.

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The question is how do you think
that the material sons and

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daughters will appear to us when
we go to Jerusalem?

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Will they look human like?
Us, they'll appear.

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They'll, they will appear to us
like humanoids, I think, you

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know, whatever, whatever the,
whatever the, the, the creatures

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that live on Jerusalem look
like, that's what they'll look

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like.
That's what I think.

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I wonder if the phrase in his
image pertain pertains to a

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certain model, if you will, of
of of ascended beings.

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You know, I'm just curious about
that.

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Just something to think about.
Uh huh.

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Never contemplated it, but.
Yeah.

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I mean, will we, will we be
shocked?

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We'll be pleased or will it take
quite of an adjustment?

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Well, you know, well, let's
let's look at it.

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They're not going to be, you
know, blood and guts people like

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we are.
You know, they're not going to

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be that way.
We light creatures, illuminated

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light creatures.
And and so that's what I think

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they're going to be like on the
1st mansion world.

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They'll be they'll be light
creatures.

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They won't have, you know,
they'll be like Jesus was when

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he came back and, and, and saw
Mary, although they didn't

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manipulate him to make him look
human.

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He, he was, he did go to the
mansion world, mention world #1

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where there's a monument and
then you turn here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so.

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So let's go back to the PR.
You said you went to the

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Foundation on Diversity and you
said where's the PR department?

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And they said we don't have one.
Do you think that was a bad

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move, A good move?
The mandate?

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Do you believe the mandate said
mouth to mouth in the beginning?

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Are are we, should we be proudly
proclaiming the Urantia book

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now?
Oh.

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I think it's, it's, it's time to
do it.

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It's already happening, isn't
it?

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All over the world.
Oh, yeah.

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And because of because of what's
online and everything, you know,

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people can have access to it
and.

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I I do want to, I will tell you
that I'm impressed by the

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writing, the secondary works
that have come out in the last

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20 years.
During the 80s, I didn't see

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that much.
I'm not sure why.

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The writing, since you mentioned
the writing, the the writing in

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the Urantia book is the finest
word structure performance in

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the history of this world.
There's nothing even close to

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the way the midwayers and others
and you know, the midwares,

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they're not really
extraterrestrials.

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They're just invisible eternal
creatures that are living here

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and we're eyewitnesses to Jesus
appearances.

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And just when you read the word
structure and the mechanics of

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writing, it's no human could do
it.

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I think I remember Doctor Sadler
telling me that, I mean, telling

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his son Sadler Junior, he told
me the story that he went to

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Oklahoma City and he, it was the
first study group, you know,

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outside of Chicago.
And he went there with a big

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crowd.
And then one of the people there

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claimed that he wrote it Sadler.
And Sadler said, hey, that's the

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greatest compliment anyone ever
paid me.

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You know, I know I did not write
it, but, you know, you know that

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they had, they had Houdini come
in.

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He was living in Chicago when it
came in.

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Sadler, you know, he was the
biggest skeptic of anybody.

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And he brought Houdini in to
watch the pencil writing on the

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yellow eagle pad and with no one
holding the pencil.

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And, you know, that's what
happened.

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And, and he came in and tried to
bust it and said, I can't, it's

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got to be real.
And so that that was, that was a

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pretty interesting thing.
And then, of course, when I was

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going to Chicago, the big thing
then was to should we, should we

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translate it or not?
You know, and I happen to be

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there at Lake Forest, IL when
that decision was made.

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I think I even, I mean, another
guy cast the deciding votes to

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go ahead and translate it into
Spanish.

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And then because we help finance
it too.

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And that was very expensive.
And so you have to get people

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who know both languages and also
are very spiritual.

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So it can be.
And then, you know, now it's,

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it's the hottest place in the
world is South America and

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Central.
America.

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When they translated it, one of
the I can't remember his name, I

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have it here, but he he was the
most famous writer in all of

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South America.
He sold.

448
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920
Many.
Books and then he ran he ran

449
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,920
into the rancher book and
starting writing novels about

450
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,280
Jesus children and all I mean
Jesus brothers and sisters and

451
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:07,160
all these unknown things about
about Jesus and and other

452
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,520
things.
And he became, you know, he used

453
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,400
to become a best seller down
there.

454
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,560
And then he would do interviews
and they would ask him where he

455
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,560
get it from.
And then he would say the what

456
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,600
was it?
Laurentia du Libra, you know,

457
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:28,520
your inch book.
And and so anyway, that's that's

458
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,400
why it got so popular, because
an already popular person

459
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,000
started writing about it,
writing novels about it.

460
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
And it was so very interesting.
You know what he wrote.

461
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,520
And you know, I understand that
even the Pope who just died

462
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,520
actually inquired about it.
And because his main priests

463
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440
were having a conference every
week about it.

464
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,720
So he felt like he ought to
know.

465
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,720
And so he went to it and, and,
and listened to it.

466
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,080
And of course much of it is
about was about, you know, world

467
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,800
government.
And, you know, that's what in

468
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:15,000
his papacy, he he continued to,
he continued to repeat the the

469
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,960
goal of world government.
And of course, you know, not the

470
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040
kind of government that the
World Economic Forum would

471
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200
produce, but, you know, a
superior one.

472
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800
You mean the one where we where
we own nothing and are happy

473
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,000
that that that vision?
That vision, right?

474
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,840
That vision.
But we're all eating locusts.

475
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000
Yeah, Yeah, exactly, exactly
right.

476
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,920
Yeah, that that kind of vision.
And they just put the head of

477
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,480
Black Rock in charge of that,
too.

478
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Great.
Guy named Fink.

479
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,040
Guy named.
Larry, Larry Fink.

480
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Yeah, from Oracle.
Oracle.

481
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,120
Do you think there's a
benevolent force working against

482
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,520
the Urantia book right now?
Not benevolent.

483
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920
I'm I'm.
Convinced.

484
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,000
I'm I'm convinced of it.
Because it should be out there

485
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,680
by now.
I, I'm surprised.

486
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,400
I mean, if Scientology has had
this long of a run, you know,

487
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160
and I'm.
Not well, you know, the

488
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,360
Christian population or, or very
fundamentalist and, and they all

489
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560
believe in the atonement
doctrine.

490
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:21,640
You know, Paul's version of
reality and and since the

491
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,680
eventual book is very plain
that, you know, Jesus didn't die

492
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,800
for anyone's sins, but you can't
do that.

493
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,680
No one can die for someone
else's sins.

494
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,440
You have to do it yourself and
and so.

495
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Why is that so important to the?
What is it?

496
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Is it about this need to be?
I have a theory.

497
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,840
I'll run it by you.
You tell me what you think, but

498
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,880
that I had a problem with.
I actually during the process of

499
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,360
the Urantia book and whether to
accept its authenticity and its

500
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,320
credibility because I had been
raised a Christian and it was

501
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,880
part of the the culture to
accept that Jesus laid his life

502
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,080
down for your sins and for you
to be forgiven.

503
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160
And I accepted that without
question.

504
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,280
And so that created a bit of
consternation for me because I

505
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,200
had to make a choice.
If I believe this book was

506
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,880
authentic and credible, and it
was telling me something that

507
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,480
was contrary to a concept that I
had accepted long ago, it was

508
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,200
very hard to reconcile it.
And I think the Urantia book

509
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,640
does reconcile it.
I can't remember the paper.

510
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,320
Well, I can tell you how it
reconciles it.

511
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,040
You know, we we're so
ethnocentric, we think it's all

512
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,000
about Earth and Jesus has 3.8
million inhabited worlds who are

513
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,360
all tuned in to his life here.
And so basically what he was

514
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,240
doing, of course he was laying,
laying down his life was trusted

515
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,080
friends, the greatest thing you
can do.

516
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,680
And but in addition to that, he
was, he was behaving with an

517
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,800
audience of trillions of
ascenders.

518
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:12,640
And his goal was to live a
perfect life under just

519
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,360
incredible, an incredible
resistance.

520
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:24,480
And, and it was for it was for
those trillions of people who

521
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,680
were looking on because whoever
was on the margin of giving up

522
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,600
the fight of faith, they could
never say, oh, the creator

523
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,240
doesn't know what we're going
through because look what he

524
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
went through.
You know what I'm saying?

525
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,120
I sure do.
Yeah.

526
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,560
And so it was, it was to help
all those people who were ready

527
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,840
to give up the the fight for
faith and with the, with the

528
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,280
opinion that, you know, the, the
creator doesn't know the Creator

529
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Son doesn't know what we're
going through.

530
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,560
Well, no one's going through
what he did.

531
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:05,840
So that throws a whole, you
know, obstacle in front of

532
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,280
anybody trying to justify their
lack of faith for that.

533
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,120
And that, that was really it.
And of course, he, he left the

534
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
spirit of truth and idealistic
beauty.

535
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,080
People forget about that, that
he left that.

536
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:29,639
And then he left 12 legions of
angels who who all have

537
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,760
different functions.
And then of course the 12th

538
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,360
group is what they call the
Angels of the Angels.

539
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:45,239
And they are in communication
with the midwares and the

540
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,920
midwares are in communication
with the Reserve Corps of

541
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,239
Destiny.
And they are the guarantors of

542
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,880
guarantees against surprise and
the disaster.

543
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:07,600
And so that's the three steps
that it takes to to get things

544
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:14,200
done here with the 1111
invisible creatures called the

545
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
mid wares.
And, and they're in position to

546
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,840
stop any of this and anything
that's going on.

547
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,280
And, you know, their, their goal
is not to promote the

548
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,760
nationalism of some country or
some political viewpoint.

549
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,720
Their, their, their job is to
make, make keep the planet

550
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,880
inhabitable.
And you don't want to have any

551
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,080
nuclear bombs going off because,
you know, that's, that makes it

552
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,600
uninhabitable.
And that's not what they want.

553
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:50,200
And then, and I'm sure that the
celestial beings that oversee

554
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,920
this world don't want to go to
Jesus and say, Hey, hey,

555
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Michael, you know, we blew it.
Your planets blown up.

556
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,520
So they're going to do anything
and everything to not have to do

557
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,960
that.
Galantia and Galvania, 2 of the

558
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:14,360
very highest creatures in the
universe, who, when Jesus is

559
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,160
busy and can't be somewhere, he
sends Gabriel.

560
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Well, if there's another event
going on simultaneously, you

561
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,560
know, Jesus has a lot of power,
but he doesn't have the power to

562
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,520
be in two places at one time.
So whenever there's a major

563
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,240
thing going on, he'll send
Gabriel.

564
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,240
But then if there's another one
that erupts the brilliant

565
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:38,040
evening stars, they're the ones
who attended and they represent

566
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Jesus and, and, and normally
they never, ever go out into

567
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400
these far reaches of the Super
universes.

568
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,600
They, they, they stick to the
higher levels, but they're

569
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720
stationed on Jerusalem, Galvania
and Galantia.

570
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,000
And, and I believe in that
they're there in order to give a

571
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,520
Direct Line of communication to
the planetary Prince who's

572
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Jesus, who's involved in many
other things, But you know,

573
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,080
that's his, this was his home at
one time.

574
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:16,040
And and so full faith that they,
they will not fail because their

575
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:23,000
motto is what the United
Midwayers of Urantia say they

576
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,760
do, they do.
They've never failed.

577
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,280
And and so that alone should
give you faith, but that that

578
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,560
sequence goes from the Super
angels that Jesus trained and

579
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,760
left here, then to the midwayers
and then to the reserve corps

580
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000
destiny.
And that's how this whole place

581
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,680
is kept afloat, you know,
without being destroyed by these

582
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,280
maniacs.
Remember I was telling you about

583
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:58,200
the, the, the Berkeley professor
who was abducted and well, I

584
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,280
think after a medical thing,
they, they brought her into this

585
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,920
room with a table, 2 chairs.
And one of the chairs was

586
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,880
occupied by humanoid alien.
And he said to her, he and she

587
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,680
passed all the lie detector
tests on this.

588
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,960
So I think it's probably the
truth.

589
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,960
And he said to her, you know, I
monitor 1000 worlds and this is

590
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,760
the only world inhabited worlds
that the only world that does

591
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,720
two things, very dangerous
things.

592
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,000
You put the energy of the world
in the hands of private

593
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,440
industry.
That's the first one.

594
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,440
And the second one is you give
Earth destroying, potentially

595
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Earth destroying weapons into
the hands of radical religious

596
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,880
groups.
And he wanted to know from her,

597
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,640
why in the hell would they do
that?

598
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:56,040
Because no, all other 999 he
supervises, they don't do that.

599
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,960
That's too crazy.
And so she couldn't answer him.

600
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,320
You know, she just couldn't
answer him.

601
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
And and that's what he wanted to
know.

602
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,080
And it's very interesting part.
And then of course, these are

603
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,680
the guys that rate the planets.
And and of course, you're aware

604
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,080
that one of the main barometers
of that rating system is

605
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,080
monogamy.
You know, and I think, you know,

606
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,760
probably that they the way they
think they would think.

607
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,400
Well, if you can't, you know, be
be loyal to something you can

608
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,080
see, how in the world can you be
loyal to something you can't see

609
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,920
like God?
And so monogamy is a big, big,

610
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:45,480
big, big feature in in the
ratings of the progress of the

611
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,400
other inhabited worlds.
That's fascinating.

612
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,840
I never thought of it that way,
but I think you're right.

613
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,320
I, I, I'm fixated on this essay
that someone wrote recently and

614
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560
it was published in the
Fellowship Journal and it's

615
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,160
entitled Why Us?
In fact, that's the previous

616
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,720
podcast.
If you haven't listened to it,

617
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:06,600
it's 5 minutes.
I took some creative with it,

618
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,880
but it's so beautifully written
and it poses the question, why

619
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,680
did why did our world receive so
much truth not only in in the

620
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,080
bestowal sun, but also in the
Arantia book?

621
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:26,360
And we're being exposed to a
level of knowledge that is

622
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,120
unprecedented.
Most worlds might get a little

623
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,840
bit of what they say.
They'll learn a little bit about

624
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,480
the local universe, maybe even
as as high as Edensia, but we've

625
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,400
been given the whole 9 yards and
the author says.

626
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Jesus is the What does he say?
Go ahead.

627
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,880
Yeah, he just made the claim
Jesus was here, He's evaluated

628
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,880
us, and he thinks that we're
ready for it, or he thinks that

629
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,440
we're capable and I'm just.
It's such a wonderful.

630
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Perspective.
That's a good perspective.

631
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,880
However, I think because he is
our planetary Prince, he's our

632
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,280
planetary Prince.
He's creative of the universe

633
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,200
and planetary Prince of this
world.

634
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,720
And, and he knows we've struck
out a few times, you know, I

635
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:19,040
mean, there are no other worlds
that had a default of the, of

636
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,680
the, of the, like the Kalagastry
group, the 1st, the first

637
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,840
extraterrestrials that landed
and then a failure of the Adam

638
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,840
and Eve attempt to fix it and
then the crucifixion of the

639
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,480
creator.
So he wanted, he was probably

640
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,640
tired, even said all this stuff
about from Galantia and

641
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,600
Galvania, the brilliant Evening
Stars.

642
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,680
He had been fed all of this
information by them.

643
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,440
And he just probably said, OK,
let's just do it.

644
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,800
We'll put my seal on it and I'll
send it down there.

645
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:58,120
And I want to that's a great
inner, inner way of getting into

646
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,040
this book that I have in my hand
called The Interview with Jesus

647
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Christ.
And I've only, I got to be

648
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,960
honest with you, I just got it
yesterday, so I haven't had a

649
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,520
chance to read all of it.
But it looks like what you did

650
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,840
was you took all of the
information in the Urantia book,

651
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,720
and it's an interview.
Someone's interviewing Jesus,

652
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,920
and you take what's also, and
it's all based on what is

653
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,640
actually in the Urantia book.
Is that pretty fair assessment?

654
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,280
Yeah.
That's a very good assessment.

655
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,360
And it's kind of, if you had to,
if you had to put a modern title

656
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,400
on it, you'd say it was, it was
a Cliff notes of the Urantia

657
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,600
book because it, it, it gives a
history of the world and, and

658
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,960
his life and clears up a lot of
things that, that people are

659
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,960
confused about.
And, and so that's, that's what

660
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,080
the interview is all about.
And, and, you know, we did it

661
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,120
because we published it, because
it was a lot easier than reading

662
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:03,160
2000 pages.
And, and so that's, that's what

663
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,360
the interview is all about.
Now I'm, I'm, I'm here in my

664
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,000
home and I'm looking out and I
can see the circles.

665
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:16,480
And are you aware of the
substance that is used?

666
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,880
You know, all of this is about
getting the ticket to eternal

667
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,400
life, right?
OK.

668
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,640
It's all about the ticket to
eternal life.

669
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,320
All this stuff that we think is
important.

670
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,560
That's what's really important.
And how do you get it through

671
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,120
your motivations, not your
accomplishments or your resume.

672
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,640
You get it through your
motivations.

673
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,360
And if you get the ticket to
eternal life and then go through

674
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:47,240
what they call detention worlds
and my vernacular, that's like

675
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,520
jails to them.
The mansion worlds, you go

676
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,120
through the seven mansion worlds
and then you, you become

677
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,280
immortalized with the very
divine spirit that dwells within

678
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,840
you now.
And right now that divine spirit

679
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,440
is just riding around with us
trying to talk to us and we're

680
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,240
usually not listening.
I can't hear it.

681
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,040
But after that moment, that's,
that's like the most significant

682
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,920
moment in our career of 570
interplanetary reincarnations.

683
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,320
That's the moment, the very
moment when we become immortal.

684
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,600
You don't forget that.
And, and so that happens on a

685
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,160
what they call the sea of glass.
And what that is, is it's

686
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:47,440
constructed of the, the superior
energy reflectivity substance in

687
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,560
all of this universe.
And that's quartz crystal.

688
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,000
And so it's on this giant quartz
crystal and a beam comes out of

689
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,240
out of paradise and immortalizes
you.

690
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,400
You become at one with God
literally, and you can't die.

691
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,040
And so that's and that's all
done on this quartz crystal

692
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,720
field.
That's why I have on these

693
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:21,600
circles I have placed pretty
enormous quartz crystals and

694
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:28,240
small ones as well all around it
and it because, well, hey,

695
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,840
that's where they do eternal,
you know, they do that on that

696
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,040
substance.
They do eternal life on that

697
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
substance.
So it's really nice to have it

698
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,720
here and we happen to, you know,
be a natural place for courts

699
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,240
and you know, Arkansas is loaded
with courts.

700
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,800
We have courts minds here.
That's where I got most of the

701
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:55,000
courts from the courts minds.
And, and so I've laid these

702
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,920
quartz crystals out in the
circles and I've placed

703
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:06,200
spotlights to beam through the
courts, which you know, actually

704
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,840
makes the courts even
exponentially stronger.

705
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,800
And, and then I probably have
200 or so on the railings and,

706
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,720
and that and, and, and so when
you get in the epicenter of the,

707
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:29,000
of the circles, your voice is
elevated a measured 10 decibels

708
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:35,280
with no wires, no amplifiers,
nothing, just standing there in

709
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,200
the dead center of it.
And and you know, it's got to

710
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,320
be, you know, I've always
thought, and even when we built

711
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,360
it, you know, I thought, OK, if
Gabriel was holding a flag with

712
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,200
that, with those circles on it
when he Dukes it out with

713
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:00,880
Lucifer and they and it is the
symbol of the Trinity for the

714
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,840
for this universe.
I knowing Jesus like I do, he

715
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,480
wouldn't do something that just
had form and not function.

716
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,200
And so that's one of the reasons
we built this, this edifice out

717
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,800
there, the circles, Father's
temple.

718
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:27,160
Is.
To yeah, is to gain access to

719
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,400
that, to that vibration.
And, and, and we have, and

720
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,320
everyone who goes out there, you
know, agrees.

721
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,280
It's just extraordinary to even
musicians, you know, I've had

722
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,680
some people out there and all,
and they, they're just, they're

723
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,880
just fascinated by it.
And so, but when we were

724
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,280
building it and it was, we were
building just the forms.

725
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,800
And when I, when we finished the
last form, this is where the

726
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,240
rocks and the concrete and all
that we're going to go.

727
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,640
We had not even done that yet.
We were just finishing the forms

728
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,160
and we were staking them in,
driving them in with stakes and

729
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,440
making the circles so we could
fill them.

730
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,800
And on the last, me and a guy
who you know, another your

731
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,040
answer book believer and
happened to be Mr. Arkansas at

732
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,440
the time, very strong.
That's why I had him out there.

733
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,640
And as we finish taking out the
form for the inner circle, we

734
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,240
had our hands on it because we
were driving with one hand.

735
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,720
And both of us, as soon as we
connected the circular pattern,

736
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560
we felt it and we both looked at
each other and went, Oh my God.

737
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:48,200
And the forms, the wood that can
was going to contain the circles

738
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:54,320
became hot to the touch.
And then at that moment, at that

739
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,960
moment we heard sounds that were
unmistakably Hawks.

740
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:06,600
And we looked up the Hawks had
picked up the thermal energy

741
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,600
from the circles and we're
riding those heat currents in

742
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,920
circles above the circles.
And we were, we were just

743
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,520
absolutely fascinated by that.
And I thought, well, OK, there

744
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,880
it is.
It's proof that these circles,

745
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,760
which represent the Trinity
government of all things, they

746
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:33,480
not only have form, but they
have function and, and that, and

747
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
that function is to transmit
energy.

748
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,120
And so, and then of course, then
we built them and then put the

749
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,360
crystals on them.
And it's, it's just been one

750
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,840
wonderful thing after another.
I, I obviously want to see it.

751
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,120
I'm going to respect your wishes
to keep it not public because we

752
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,480
don't want no.
Maybe later people coming.

753
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,280
Well, now you're did you get the
pictures?

754
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,480
I did.
I saw them.

755
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,640
I I don't get the appreciation
for how large this structure

756
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,240
that you've created the Father's
temple.

757
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,520
I love the.
The well, yeah, I I figured that

758
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,800
because it's out in the woods,
it's it's 30 feet in diameter.

759
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,120
And you have presentations that
go on there.

760
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,200
Do you?
Do you do?

761
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,680
Yeah, we, we've had, we've,
yeah, we surely do.

762
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,080
We, we, we have, we've had study
groups out there and we normally

763
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,680
have them in gas or unless the
weather is perfect, then we'll

764
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,640
come out here.
But you know, and so it's a

765
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,640
great place to do it.
And, you know, and I pray there,

766
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,320
you know, you get in the center
of those circles and you pray

767
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,680
and that go, that is elevated
right up into the heavens

768
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:53,160
because you're talking about the
symbol of the Trinity government

769
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,320
of all things.
That's big time.

770
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,760
And so, and that's Melchizedek's
symbol.

771
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,040
He wore it.
He wore it on his breastplate.

772
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:10,080
And those circles stand for
Infinity, eternity and

773
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:16,280
universality of the paradise
Trinity, meaning that they're

774
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,320
everywhere.
You know, they're not only an

775
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,040
infinite and eternal, they're
also in the universes.

776
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,960
And that, that's the third
person of the Trinity.

777
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,440
That's the infinite Mother
Spirit.

778
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,360
They don't call her that.
Yeah, they don't call her that

779
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,160
on on planets beyond where they
don't have mothers, but anywhere

780
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,080
where there's mothers, the
infinite mother spirit is

781
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,680
active.
This is her deal.

782
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,680
This is it.
This is what she makes.

783
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,440
And so, you know, the Father,
he's the center of all things.

784
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,920
And then the eternal Son creates
the creator sons and then bang,

785
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,640
you know, she takes all of that.
And you know, let's face it, God

786
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,720
likes to play ball.
I haven't had anybody like with

787
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:05,480
me on that.
I just look up in the sky.

788
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,080
It's all balls.
And and then when you look at a

789
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,040
microscope at our smallest
cells, cell structures, it's all

790
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,760
balls.
So God's a ball player and, and

791
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,160
and this is one of his balls and
this is one of his favorite sons

792
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,160
balls.
And and so it's all about it's

793
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,120
all about that.
And it's kind of an unusual

794
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,280
version of reality, but it's
true.

795
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,120
Can't deny it.
I just want to extend an

796
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,120
appreciation for you bringing
all this.

797
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,840
Sometimes you don't want to
overdo it, you know, You get

798
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,160
overwhelmed.
I feel a little overwhelmed

799
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,240
right now, you know?
Oh, I I can.

800
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:49,600
I can understand.
I can understand.

801
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,400
But it's good.
It's a good overwhelming.

802
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,840
It's like, wow, it's like
Christmas and you have so many

803
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,080
presents under the tree, you
don't know which one to open

804
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,240
first.
So thank you for that.

805
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,160
Well, thank you for the
compliments.

806
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,840
And you know, it's not about me.
It's about the Heavenly Father

807
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,000
and and the wonders of the
Heavenly Father.

808
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,320
And it's all about all about
him.

809
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,560
You know, whenever anybody told
Jesus, Jesus gave us the

810
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,360
pattern.
And when anyone complimented

811
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,760
Jesus about anything, his first
response was, it's the heavenly

812
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,440
Father.
It's my father and yours.

813
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,960
And so he took no credit.
And only, the only father in

814
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,080
heaven really gets all the
credit.

815
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,600
And you know, when you get to
paradise, you know, April is

816
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,800
always good.
April, hell is always good to

817
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,400
say.
Ask people you know what

818
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:48,120
happened to paradise worship.
Worship is the play of paradise.

819
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,680
You've got interview with Jesus
Christ.

820
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,520
We can get it on what, Amazon?
No, I don't sell it on Amazon.

821
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,440
You'll have to write me PO Box
416.

822
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,960
PO Box 416, Jasper, Arkansas.
I'll give you the zip, which is

823
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:17,360
what they're looking for anyway,
726-417-2641 and that's Jasper,

824
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,720
Arkansas.
Joseph Morgan used to sell them.

825
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:25,080
Now if someone requests one, I
just send it to him.

826
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,200
I send it to him complimentary.
I don't need the money.

827
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,200
I just need the message to be
spread all over the world.

828
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,120
And once again, a real thank you
to Joseph Morgan, who joins me

829
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,840
on this edition of the Urancho
Radio Podcast.

830
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,400
You got a comment or question?
Feel free to e-mail us

831
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:58,040
uranchobookradio@gmail.com.
Until next time, thank you for

832
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,720
stopping by.