March 21, 2024
Solar Eclipse Talk with Devon Landis
Urantia Book student and present head of the YAYA (Youth and Young Adults committee) and Urantia Association fellow Devon Landis talks about the upcoming solar eclipse on April 8th and the spiritual aspects of this supernal cosmic event.
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Welcome to another edition of
the Urancha Radio Podcast and
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today we're going to talk about
the upcoming solar eclipse.
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And we have joining us a man by
the name of Devin Landis and he
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is a Urancha book reader and
he's also part of the
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International Fellowship
Committee with the fellowship
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and present head of Yaya, which
is the youth and young adults
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organization that studies and
shares the Urancha book.
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And he's got some insights about
this upcoming solar eclipse and
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its relevance and some great
takeaways.
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So joining us this time up is
Devin Landis on the Urantia
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Radio podcast.
So I've always been curious to
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ask people who are more
scientific minded to me, how
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does the general science of the
Urantia Book hold up in your
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opinion?
Oh, it's great.
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It enfranchises the mind, I
would say, like with the
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universal mother spirit living
in each creature and then maybe
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even paradisical patterns in the
in the plants, in the trees
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especially.
I'm always curious as to how
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they interpret the Ant your
antubook.
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Are they generally pleased with
its like the way that it
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describes evolution?
Does it make intellectual sense
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what they're saying?
Yeah, I think a good kicker is
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you could look at chemistry, the
relationship between the
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periodic elements, and
envisioned that as relationship
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stories told by the architects
of the Master universe long,
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long, long ago.
Somebody sent me a thing at
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PowerPoint and it's all it says
is God and it's a PowerPoint and
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it shows all these parallel,
like, you know, the intricacies
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of the zebra, you know, or how
cells are formed or it's just an
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amazing thing, even on a
molecular level, why things move
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around at all.
I mean, what makes this move
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over there and get this, It's
like this unseen forest that
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surrounds everybody, you know,
that I there's so much
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satisfaction that I get like you
in the Urancho book because of
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that very reason.
It really makes you think about
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how things are structured.
So the reason I had Devin on the
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show, Devin Landis, long time
your anchovy reader, you're are
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you in the group that's going to
go to the See the Eclipse coming
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up on April 9th?
Yeah, yeah.
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Or April 8th, sorry.
And you, you've got some unique
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perspective and I don't even
know what it is.
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I have my perspective and you
know, for the last seven years
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in my head I've been thinking
maybe there's going to be a
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rapture or maybe there's going
to be a global disaster or
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something is happening right now
on Earth where we're all being
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tested.
And I feel like we're in a kind
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of a seven-year period of
something.
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So let's.
Yeah, so let's, let's go back
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for people who aren't aware.
But the first eclipse or the
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last great eclipse of the United
States was the one in 2017, and
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it happened on Jesus's birthday,
according to the Urantia Book on
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August 21st.
Some of us, including Halbert
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Katson, who's been on this
program a few times, he brought
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to me that the the next solar
eclipse will happen on Jesus's
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resurrection day, which is April
8th.
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And that the two inter
intersection, the two eclipses
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intersect at a place called Bald
Knob Cross in in in southern
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Illinois.
And there's enough dots there to
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kind of make you go away.
What's going on here, You know.
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So how did you get involved in
and what's your interest in in
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this phenomena?
I'll throw a correction, which I
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think is right.
I think Resurrection Day is the
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9th right?
And that's correct.
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I asked Hal and I wasn't sure,
but I came to a conclusion of my
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own about why the apes, the
mortal, the mortal perspective
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naturally craves or rejoices in
the resurrection, because it's a
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message for us as to you know
what what we could expect.
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And from the cosmic perspective,
from Nebadon's perspective, I
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think the day of the tomb, which
is the eclipse day, is probably
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the most wonderful.
Because for already eternal
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beings they still probably have
a lot of questions as to where
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was Michael during that time?
Like did he go to Sonarrington
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or I'm not sure which of those
paradise worlds or.
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So that is why, if you were to
ask me why did the second
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eclipse assuming that they were
timed like intelligently by the
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by the controllers, why didn't
it occur on resurrection day?
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I'll say that I think the day of
the tomb is like maybe the most
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mysterious when you look at
Nebadon as a whole.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
Because they actually admit in
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that paper, which I just
recently read, where they say we
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really have no idea what Jesus
did for that 36 hours.
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We don't know where it was.
And it is a great mystery.
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You know, we can all sort of
come up with our own.
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I'm sure you could ask 100
different priests or ministers
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and they'd all give you an
answer.
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And well, he went to the bosom
of the Father.
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He went to the right hand to
gain power of the of the
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universe.
So what does that mean he he
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got, did he get the embrace?
It does mention, however, and I
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was just reading this in paper
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It just it it does say that you
know the life of Jesus as it was
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completed had been fully
approved by the Father.
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So he was unqualifiably happy
with the results.
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So it's possible maybe that's
what happened during that that
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period, you know, what do you
think?
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So what's the significance to
that?
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And the eclipse?
Why?
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Why is the eclipse?
What do you think it's a sign of
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what?
What do you think is, is is
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underlying in this are they
sending a message?
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What?
I think it's sort of a just a
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celebratory, Worshipful
situation set up by some power
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controllers or archangels of
archangels or some beings in
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Ebedon or just beings in our
solar system that could have the
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power to move planets.
Or you know, Jesus said if you
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have faith, you can move
mountain.
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So I think they've coordinated
it somehow geographic or
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geometry geographically just for
just as a Worshipful recognition
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and the fact is you know the
intersection occurs in the state
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that the revelation has been
delivered, so.
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I'm hearing things in the
Christian community too.
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They're saying it's the Rapture.
You hearing anything?
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About that.
Well, my Christian background
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and then which I, you know, the
UV upgraded me and then I don't
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neglect the old.
So I sort of, I sort of looked
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at 2030 as maybe a significant
date because it's a 2000 year
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anniversary at the Christ
resurrection and at that or
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yeah, at that time Gabriel and
the angels, they resurrected the
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the dead and there could be like
a millennial resurrection of you
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know, all of so many of our
loved ones who are ostensibly or
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as far as we know sleeping in
the grave could be upcoming in
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just a few short years. 2030 is
the the millennial time.
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So that's where my most sort of
prophetic attitude looks stored.
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But I definitely think that
stuff that you mentioned, like
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the war in Ukraine, I think
that's one of the trumpets in
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the Book of Revelation.
It says where men have tails
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like scorpions that emit smoke
and they go around, you know,
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assaulting each other.
Not that there haven't been
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worse in every generation, but I
do believe that we are sort of
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at the point of the needle or
the point of the wedge in in a
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time space where that it's going
to turn out good in the end.
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But it does involve
tribulations, which I think the
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Book of Revelation covers pretty
well or in cat it talks about.
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I think 911 was a trumpet.
Because you know, when John the
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Apostle was on Patmos, he got a
revelation from archangels, and
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one of them one of the trumpets,
that he wrote down what he saw,
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he said a mighty mountain
falling into the sea.
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And those buildings were right
on the like right on the water
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when you look at the aerial
view, so.
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And then it.
Turns 1/3 of the water red.
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I remember reading in
Revelations about the the IT
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describes people watching this
happening and describes them in
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their boats and in the harbors
and everything.
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And I thought, well, that sounds
like Hudson, you know, or
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whatever.
The right.
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Looking up at the World Trade
Center as they're coming down,
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they thought it had occurred to
be.
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Yeah.
Well, then then, of course,
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there's Apopka, which is the,
which is another interesting
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thing.
The, the asteroid that's coming
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right toward us.
And it's supposed to hit.
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Yeah.
And that'll be on February 13th,
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which is a Friday, and that's
February 13th, 2029.
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Now, they first told us that it
would only come within 20
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kilometers or 20,000 kilometers.
Now they're saying that it'll
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come close enough to where it'll
actually be at the same distance
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of where the satellites are.
So there's all kinds of.
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Now, I'm not a physical
scientist, but I know that mass
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can is attractive.
And if you got this comment, you
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know how much would it have to
deviate?
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And it's going to go right over
America, too, right over North
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America at like 613 at night
East Coast time.
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Isn't that interesting?
And I And then I'm thinking, OK,
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well, maybe that's that to me.
I almost feel like, and I don't
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mean to say this, but I almost
feel like something will break
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and society is going to have to
regroup in a big way.
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And unfortunately, I feel that a
lot of people, I mean you think
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about it for a second, Devin.
You know, there is a point in
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human history where there were
only 100 people left of the the
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human, the, the fully developed,
you know, human.
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There's only 100 of us left.
I mean, there have been multiple
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times where our, our societies
have been wiped out.
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You know, the great flood, when
the isthmus broke it, whatever
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that is Gibraltar and the
floodings and then the floodings
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during Noah's time with the the
ice and the snow falling and and
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everything.
So you know, it's not like God's
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going to step in there and save
us, you know, because that's not
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that.
That would be against his rules,
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you know, right.
I mean, he would save us from
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ourselves, but not save us from
just dying.
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Does this sound cryptic to you?
I mean, do you think he would
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intervene and stick his hand
there and prevent this?
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Or would he go, OK, it's 2029,
I'm looking at the way humanity
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is going right now and maybe I
don't want to save him.
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Sure.
I'm glad you have a good sense
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of humor because you know, this
is what's going on in my head,
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you know?
I was thinking we could just
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maybe solicit the Grays to come
and use one of their shunting
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mechanisms.
Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
They were delighted in a project
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like that.
Yeah.
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So being a relatively new, a
quick question, just as one
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Erantia book reader to another.
Did you have a lot of problems
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growing up Christian?
Was it a big leap for you?
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Because I've met a lot of
Christians that read the Erantia
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Book and they go, that's not for
me, you know?
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Sorry, I'm not, I'm not going
there.
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Sure.
I had sort of stepped aside from
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Christianity because of the
social maybe obligations.
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And yeah, I was still, I was, I
went to a Christian college and
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after two years of that, I felt
I should go to basically the
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third world or somewhere outside
of the US So that's where I
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found the UB.
I I think I was maybe destined
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to, or I was blessed to, I
think.
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And then I did, you know, make
AI basically returned to God
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spiritually through prayer and
like even in a given moment that
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I can recall when it happened.
And then after that I started
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reading the UV.
Yeah.
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What was the point where it it
kind of got you everybody has a
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gotcha moment.
Was there any particular passage
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or something going on that that
sort of connected with you, with
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your ranch Ibuka?
I know for me it was probably
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when I read the first reading of
the life and teachings of Jesus,
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when he gets to paper 155, I
think, and he's talking about
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how you know, you can, you know,
not everybody's path the same.
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Not everybody is made to serve
as a priest.
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If you, if you've got God in
your life, you know, then
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everything is sacred.
That kind of, and it was that
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sort of approach that really got
me into like, wow, it really
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touched.
Me, you know, I was, I was
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living in a church, in a
apartment above the church, and
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going to UMass Amherst and
reading the book like, very
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diligently to try and get
through it.
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And so many things were novel.
But I do think I remember, or I
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do remember the sort of making a
supreme decision at one point,
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just wanting to be a part of the
God's plan on a personal, on a
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way that would involve me.
And that was so thrilling.
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So I think that was my moment.
But what got me to that moment
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was other people who I saw
reading it and or other people
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who are already interested in
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So the community, the community
wins or long?
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How did they come across to you?
Just like balanced and logical
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and sort of picking off where I
guess Christianity couldn't or
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didn't answer some things, but
then being real individuals in
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the world, so all those things
are appealing characteristics.
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Do you have people in your
family who also have been turned
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on to the book, or do you have
any friends that you've turned
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the book on to and have success
with that?
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Sure, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
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Talking about community and
community, inspiring people.
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If I could do a plug for a
project I'm working on.
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Yeah, it's.
It's like a six year calendar
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that would start this fall or
autumn reading the book, one
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section a day and only during
the five work days.
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And then with two week breaks or
yeah, two week breaks during
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Christmas and New Year's for six
years.
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And it gets us through the whole
book and making up an image
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that's like a calendar that you
could cross off dates.
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So yeah, that's going to be my
new project.
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Well, you might as well tell
everybody how to get a hold of
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you so that if you want to maybe
commensurate with others who
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would join you on that, you
know.
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Sure, yeah.
Might be releasing it like
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through ya, ya youth and young
adults.
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Yeah with the fellowship.
But I also I just got the domain
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called You read through the
letter you read and then through
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THRU dot com.
So I'm going to post the image
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up there and I'll just promote
it at conferences.
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The essence would be to have an
actual calendar that you could X
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off, but I think people might do
like a reading group as well.
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Daily reading on maybe Facebook?
Or Zoom or something like that.
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Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
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Right.
Well, there's better ways for
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people to connect.
Yeah.
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Do you go to a number of the
conferences?
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And if you do, give me a report,
what, what?
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What's got everybody excited
these days?
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I haven't been to a U AI1 in a
long time, but going to go to
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Baltimore here in just about two
weeks, so that should be great.
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Yeah.
I talked to a woman who came
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back from the World Religions
Conference and I think a
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gentleman by the name of Byron
who also went and and the the
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report is that the people are
starting to get a little curious
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about the Urancha book.
It's only taken them 100 years,
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you know, but we're making
progress.
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Nice.
You know, I'll tell you
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something funny.
In the 80s and the 90s, when I
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first started reading the book
and coming to grips with the
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fact that it was a revelation of
epical proportions.
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You know that.
I thought, well, you know,
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people aren't really hungry for
it right now.
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It doesn't seem like.
And now you flat flash forward
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to 2024.
And now I see why the book is
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relevant.
I'll just leave it at that.
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Yeah, there's there's some
serious, I think, Albert,
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there's some serious issues that
we have to address, you know,
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And we are an emerging, evolving
civilization.
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We're a special project for
Michael's home planet.
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He has a vested interest in us
and our success.
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Melchizedek, Adam and Eve
Caligasti would love for us to
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fail, because if we fail that
means that Michael failed and
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and we're seeing this emergence
of real evil in the world right
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now.
And I think people are being
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forced to make a choice.
Unfortunately, I don't think
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they're making the right choice.
In many ways I don't know, but
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it is an interesting time.
It's more interesting now than
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it was 40 years ago.
And and I think I appreciate now
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more than ever what the Urantia
Book's real value is, which is
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to bring to equilibrium.
I mean, we are operating blind,
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you know, every person on this.
Yeah, right.
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I just picked up an interesting
crossover.
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It's this book called The Book
of Thomas that is like a maybe a
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Gnostic gospel or one that is in
It's not in the Bible and it's
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only about 20 pages.
I didn't know when I was reading
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it whether it was like you be or
Christian.
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It was sort of this bridge.
Because I think in the Jesus
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papers, no kids in the midwers
who I like to call, they're like
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Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Yeah, they they reference, I
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think, this gospel according to
Thomas.
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At one point in the book it says
when Thomas, 'cause you know
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that Jesus and Thomas, I think
at one point they spend some
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time together.
Yeah, And they like come back
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and I'm not.
I hope I'm not confusing with
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the John Mark story, but like,
Thomas is charged not to say
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anything to them.
Yeah, I I I have a recollection
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of that myself.
In the in the book of the Gospel
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of Thomas that's recorded and he
says to the his fellows, he's
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like, if I if I would tell you
what he told me, you guys would
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stone me.
That's interesting.
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Yeah.
Yeah, Well, so.
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Well, look, So what are you
going to, where are you going to
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stay?
You're going to go to this
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thing?
Are you going to go a couple of
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days early?
What's the, what's the general
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plan for your Rancho book
readers?
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Do you know a lot of people that
are going to?
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It's in Alton, right?
Alton, IL.
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Like just on the edge of town or
something like that.
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I've not seen it, but apparently
it's a beautiful cross.
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It's over 1000 feet.
It's got the word peace at the
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bottom.
I I actually googled a a few
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photos and it's got a beautiful
picture.
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I'm not sure if it's pointing.
Well, if it's looking eastward,
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then it's looking over the
Shawnee National Forest, which
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is a beautiful.
Do I have that right?
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Do you know?
I think so, yeah.
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Is Carbondale, IL maybe the
biggest town nearby?
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Yeah, it is, yeah.
And and it's interesting because
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Halbert brought up to my
attention that the prophet, one
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of the few prophets mentioned by
name of the Urantia book, is
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from the Shawnee tribe.
And it was.
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And yeah, and he predicted the
downfall of the white man.
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Really.
Yeah.
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No, no, Oh no.
He denounced the vices of the
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white of the white man and
predicted an eclipse in the
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1800s.
And he was right.
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In that, in that exact area,
yeah.
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Yeah.
Interesting.
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Yeah.
Well, any final thoughts you
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want to share before we part
ways?
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It's been a pleasure meeting
you.
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Likewise.
Yeah, sure.
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Just I guess.
What do you want to get out of
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the?
Do you do you believe perhaps
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that that we're joining in this?
You said something earlier that
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kind of stuck with me.
In this event, April 8th at the
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at the Bald Knob Cross, a lot of
people are going, there's going
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to be all kinds of people going,
I'm guessing probably a few
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thousand people, but you know,
the media is not covering it, of
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course, you know, at all.
Truly.
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Right.
They're they're they're covering
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the eclipse, but they're not
covering the convergence at Bald
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Knob Cross, which is the bigger
story.
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But they don't want to get into
that messiness.
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You know, they don't like to
get, you know, get too
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religious, even though
everybody's hungry as hell for
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it.
But do you think that we're
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going to be celebrating in
concert with a greater
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celebration that is going on in
our in our inner system,
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government, our spiritual, the
spiritual side?
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Do you think there'll be a big
celebration going on that day?
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Yeah, that's a pretty fair
assumption, Yeah, that there
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would be a lot of visitors and,
yeah, that a lot of heaven
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would.
Yeah, I would.
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Down upon us.
Maybe something miraculous will
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happen.
We need a miracle, you know?
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It's a bit, yes.
It is a bit of a miracle.
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Well, maybe when it's over, you
can come back on and and tell us
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your experience, share your
experience.
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Would you do that?
Yeah, sure.
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Round two and I would say like
to be anywhere in the totality
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path would be well worth it.
Just just if nothing else, for
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the supremacy aspect of seeing
that, maybe from the science
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supremacy aspect.
It's a it's a it's a beautiful
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phenomenon And somebody recently
was showing me how like leaves
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or like a shadow.
I had never noticed this in
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2017, but there's like when
there when there's only the
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corona of the sun visible,
there's cool things that happen
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with the shadows.
But yes, just on a science
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level, in the zone of totality,
when the final ray of the sun is
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obscured by the moon, it's
almost like a light switch.
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And suddenly the stars are out,
and it's just pretty marvelous.
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Have you heard about the comet,
the Devil's Comet?
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Going to be to the left of it.
Yeah, you'll be able to see it
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during the eclipse they're
saying.
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There.
You might be able to see this
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comet, and it has a weird
characteristic because of the, I
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guess it has volcanoes or
something, right?
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And.
On the comet?
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Yeah, and it only happens, Oh my
goodness.
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And it only happens once every
77 years where we see it for
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this one day.
Isn't that amazing?
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Yeah.
And it happens in the zone of
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totality on the Resurrection
Day.
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Nice.
I mean the.
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Longer that you look at this,
the more interesting it gets.
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It's like one of those, Yeah,
it's just an amazing phenomenon.
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Well, listen brother, I hope you
come back on and share your
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experience with us.
OK, I will.
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All right, man.
Blessing to be with you and
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thank you.
Thank you.
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Devin Landis joining us here.
I've been out of trouble like a
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soldier saying I don't want to
spend my time in heaven looking
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at the walls of a prison cell.
I don't ever want to play the
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part of a statistic on a
government charge.
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Let's not be an invisible song
in the teams of everyone.
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Let's not be an
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Welcome to another edition of
the Urancha Radio Podcast and
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today we're going to talk about
the upcoming solar eclipse.
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And we have joining us a man by
the name of Devin Landis and he
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is a Urancha book reader and
he's also part of the
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International Fellowship
Committee with the fellowship
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and present head of Yaya, which
is the youth and young adults
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organization that studies and
shares the Urancha book.
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And he's got some insights about
this upcoming solar eclipse and
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its relevance and some great
takeaways.
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So joining us this time up is
Devin Landis on the Urantia
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Radio podcast.
So I've always been curious to
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ask people who are more
scientific minded to me, how
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does the general science of the
Urantia Book hold up in your
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opinion?
Oh, it's great.
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It enfranchises the mind, I
would say, like with the
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universal mother spirit living
in each creature and then maybe
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even paradisical patterns in the
in the plants, in the trees
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especially.
I'm always curious as to how
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they interpret the Ant your
antubook.
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Are they generally pleased with
its like the way that it
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describes evolution?
Does it make intellectual sense
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what they're saying?
Yeah, I think a good kicker is
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you could look at chemistry, the
relationship between the
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periodic elements, and
envisioned that as relationship
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stories told by the architects
of the Master universe long,
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long, long ago.
Somebody sent me a thing at
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PowerPoint and it's all it says
is God and it's a PowerPoint and
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it shows all these parallel,
like, you know, the intricacies
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of the zebra, you know, or how
cells are formed or it's just an
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amazing thing, even on a
molecular level, why things move
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around at all.
I mean, what makes this move
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over there and get this, It's
like this unseen forest that
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surrounds everybody, you know,
that I there's so much
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satisfaction that I get like you
in the Urancho book because of
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that very reason.
It really makes you think about
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how things are structured.
So the reason I had Devin on the
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show, Devin Landis, long time
your anchovy reader, you're are
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you in the group that's going to
go to the See the Eclipse coming
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up on April 9th?
Yeah, yeah.
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Or April 8th, sorry.
And you, you've got some unique
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perspective and I don't even
know what it is.
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I have my perspective and you
know, for the last seven years
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in my head I've been thinking
maybe there's going to be a
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rapture or maybe there's going
to be a global disaster or
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something is happening right now
on Earth where we're all being
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tested.
And I feel like we're in a kind
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of a seven-year period of
something.
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So let's.
Yeah, so let's, let's go back
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for people who aren't aware.
But the first eclipse or the
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last great eclipse of the United
States was the one in 2017, and
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it happened on Jesus's birthday,
according to the Urantia Book on
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August 21st.
Some of us, including Halbert
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Katson, who's been on this
program a few times, he brought
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to me that the the next solar
eclipse will happen on Jesus's
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resurrection day, which is April
8th.
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And that the two inter
intersection, the two eclipses
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intersect at a place called Bald
Knob Cross in in in southern
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Illinois.
And there's enough dots there to
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kind of make you go away.
What's going on here, You know.
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So how did you get involved in
and what's your interest in in
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this phenomena?
I'll throw a correction, which I
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think is right.
I think Resurrection Day is the
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9th right?
And that's correct.
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I asked Hal and I wasn't sure,
but I came to a conclusion of my
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own about why the apes, the
mortal, the mortal perspective
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naturally craves or rejoices in
the resurrection, because it's a
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message for us as to you know
what what we could expect.
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And from the cosmic perspective,
from Nebadon's perspective, I
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think the day of the tomb, which
is the eclipse day, is probably
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the most wonderful.
Because for already eternal
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beings they still probably have
a lot of questions as to where
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was Michael during that time?
Like did he go to Sonarrington
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or I'm not sure which of those
paradise worlds or.
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So that is why, if you were to
ask me why did the second
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eclipse assuming that they were
timed like intelligently by the
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by the controllers, why didn't
it occur on resurrection day?
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I'll say that I think the day of
the tomb is like maybe the most
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mysterious when you look at
Nebadon as a whole.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
Because they actually admit in
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that paper, which I just
recently read, where they say we
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really have no idea what Jesus
did for that 36 hours.
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We don't know where it was.
And it is a great mystery.
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You know, we can all sort of
come up with our own.
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I'm sure you could ask 100
different priests or ministers
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and they'd all give you an
answer.
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And well, he went to the bosom
of the Father.
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He went to the right hand to
gain power of the of the
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universe.
So what does that mean he he
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got, did he get the embrace?
It does mention, however, and I
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was just reading this in paper
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It just it it does say that you
know the life of Jesus as it was
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completed had been fully
approved by the Father.
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So he was unqualifiably happy
with the results.
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So it's possible maybe that's
what happened during that that
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period, you know, what do you
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So what's the significance to
that?
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And the eclipse?
Why?
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Why is the eclipse?
What do you think it's a sign of
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what?
What do you think is, is is
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underlying in this are they
sending a message?
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What?
I think it's sort of a just a
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celebratory, Worshipful
situation set up by some power
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controllers or archangels of
archangels or some beings in
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Ebedon or just beings in our
solar system that could have the
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power to move planets.
Or you know, Jesus said if you
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have faith, you can move
mountain.
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So I think they've coordinated
it somehow geographic or
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geometry geographically just for
just as a Worshipful recognition
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and the fact is you know the
intersection occurs in the state
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that the revelation has been
delivered, so.
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I'm hearing things in the
Christian community too.
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They're saying it's the Rapture.
You hearing anything?
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About that.
Well, my Christian background
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and then which I, you know, the
UV upgraded me and then I don't
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neglect the old.
So I sort of, I sort of looked
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at 2030 as maybe a significant
date because it's a 2000 year
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anniversary at the Christ
resurrection and at that or
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yeah, at that time Gabriel and
the angels, they resurrected the
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the dead and there could be like
a millennial resurrection of you
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know, all of so many of our
loved ones who are ostensibly or
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as far as we know sleeping in
the grave could be upcoming in
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just a few short years. 2030 is
the the millennial time.
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So that's where my most sort of
prophetic attitude looks stored.
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But I definitely think that
stuff that you mentioned, like
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the war in Ukraine, I think
that's one of the trumpets in
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the Book of Revelation.
It says where men have tails
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like scorpions that emit smoke
and they go around, you know,
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assaulting each other.
Not that there haven't been
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worse in every generation, but I
do believe that we are sort of
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at the point of the needle or
the point of the wedge in in a
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time space where that it's going
to turn out good in the end.
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But it does involve
tribulations, which I think the
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Book of Revelation covers pretty
well or in cat it talks about.
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I think 911 was a trumpet.
Because you know, when John the
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Apostle was on Patmos, he got a
revelation from archangels, and
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one of them one of the trumpets,
that he wrote down what he saw,
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he said a mighty mountain
falling into the sea.
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And those buildings were right
on the like right on the water
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when you look at the aerial
view, so.
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And then it.
Turns 1/3 of the water red.
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I remember reading in
Revelations about the the IT
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describes people watching this
happening and describes them in
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their boats and in the harbors
and everything.
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And I thought, well, that sounds
like Hudson, you know, or
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whatever.
The right.
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Looking up at the World Trade
Center as they're coming down,
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they thought it had occurred to
be.
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Yeah.
Well, then then, of course,
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there's Apopka, which is the,
which is another interesting
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thing.
The, the asteroid that's coming
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right toward us.
And it's supposed to hit.
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Yeah.
And that'll be on February 13th,
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which is a Friday, and that's
February 13th, 2029.
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Now, they first told us that it
would only come within 20
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kilometers or 20,000 kilometers.
Now they're saying that it'll
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come close enough to where it'll
actually be at the same distance
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of where the satellites are.
So there's all kinds of.
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Now, I'm not a physical
scientist, but I know that mass
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can is attractive.
And if you got this comment, you
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know how much would it have to
deviate?
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And it's going to go right over
America, too, right over North
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America at like 613 at night
East Coast time.
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Isn't that interesting?
And I And then I'm thinking, OK,
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well, maybe that's that to me.
I almost feel like, and I don't
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mean to say this, but I almost
feel like something will break
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and society is going to have to
regroup in a big way.
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And unfortunately, I feel that a
lot of people, I mean you think
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about it for a second, Devin.
You know, there is a point in
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human history where there were
only 100 people left of the the
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human, the, the fully developed,
you know, human.
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There's only 100 of us left.
I mean, there have been multiple
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times where our, our societies
have been wiped out.
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You know, the great flood, when
the isthmus broke it, whatever
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that is Gibraltar and the
floodings and then the floodings
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during Noah's time with the the
ice and the snow falling and and
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everything.
So you know, it's not like God's
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going to step in there and save
us, you know, because that's not
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that.
That would be against his rules,
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you know, right.
I mean, he would save us from
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ourselves, but not save us from
just dying.
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Does this sound cryptic to you?
I mean, do you think he would
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intervene and stick his hand
there and prevent this?
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Or would he go, OK, it's 2029,
I'm looking at the way humanity
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is going right now and maybe I
don't want to save him.
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Sure.
I'm glad you have a good sense
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of humor because you know, this
is what's going on in my head,
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you know?
I was thinking we could just
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maybe solicit the Grays to come
and use one of their shunting
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mechanisms.
Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
They were delighted in a project
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like that.
Yeah.
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So being a relatively new, a
quick question, just as one
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Erantia book reader to another.
Did you have a lot of problems
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growing up Christian?
Was it a big leap for you?
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Because I've met a lot of
Christians that read the Erantia
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Book and they go, that's not for
me, you know?
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Sorry, I'm not, I'm not going
there.
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Sure.
I had sort of stepped aside from
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Christianity because of the
social maybe obligations.
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And yeah, I was still, I was, I
went to a Christian college and
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after two years of that, I felt
I should go to basically the
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third world or somewhere outside
of the US So that's where I
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found the UB.
I I think I was maybe destined
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to, or I was blessed to, I
think.
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And then I did, you know, make
AI basically returned to God
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spiritually through prayer and
like even in a given moment that
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I can recall when it happened.
And then after that I started
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reading the UV.
Yeah.
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What was the point where it it
kind of got you everybody has a
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gotcha moment.
Was there any particular passage
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or something going on that that
sort of connected with you, with
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your ranch Ibuka?
I know for me it was probably
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when I read the first reading of
the life and teachings of Jesus,
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when he gets to paper 155, I
think, and he's talking about
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how you know, you can, you know,
not everybody's path the same.
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Not everybody is made to serve
as a priest.
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If you, if you've got God in
your life, you know, then
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everything is sacred.
That kind of, and it was that
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sort of approach that really got
me into like, wow, it really
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touched.
Me, you know, I was, I was
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living in a church, in a
apartment above the church, and
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going to UMass Amherst and
reading the book like, very
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diligently to try and get
through it.
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And so many things were novel.
But I do think I remember, or I
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do remember the sort of making a
supreme decision at one point,
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just wanting to be a part of the
God's plan on a personal, on a
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way that would involve me.
And that was so thrilling.
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So I think that was my moment.
But what got me to that moment
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was other people who I saw
reading it and or other people
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who are already interested in
it.
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So the community, the community
wins or long?
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How did they come across to you?
Just like balanced and logical
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and sort of picking off where I
guess Christianity couldn't or
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didn't answer some things, but
then being real individuals in
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the world, so all those things
are appealing characteristics.
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Do you have people in your
family who also have been turned
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on to the book, or do you have
any friends that you've turned
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the book on to and have success
with that?
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Sure, yeah, yeah, that's good.
Yeah.
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Talking about community and
community, inspiring people.
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If I could do a plug for a
project I'm working on.
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Yeah, it's.
It's like a six year calendar
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that would start this fall or
autumn reading the book, one
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section a day and only during
the five work days.
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And then with two week breaks or
yeah, two week breaks during
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Christmas and New Year's for six
years.
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And it gets us through the whole
book and making up an image
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that's like a calendar that you
could cross off dates.
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So yeah, that's going to be my
new project.
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Well, you might as well tell
everybody how to get a hold of
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you so that if you want to maybe
commensurate with others who
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would join you on that, you
know.
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Sure, yeah.
Might be releasing it like
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through ya, ya youth and young
adults.
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Yeah with the fellowship.
But I also I just got the domain
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called You read through the
letter you read and then through
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THRU dot com.
So I'm going to post the image
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up there and I'll just promote
it at conferences.
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The essence would be to have an
actual calendar that you could X
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off, but I think people might do
like a reading group as well.
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Daily reading on maybe Facebook?
Or Zoom or something like that.
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Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
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Right.
Well, there's better ways for
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people to connect.
Yeah.
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Do you go to a number of the
conferences?
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And if you do, give me a report,
what, what?
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What's got everybody excited
these days?
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I haven't been to a U AI1 in a
long time, but going to go to
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Baltimore here in just about two
weeks, so that should be great.
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Yeah.
I talked to a woman who came
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back from the World Religions
Conference and I think a
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gentleman by the name of Byron
who also went and and the the
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report is that the people are
starting to get a little curious
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about the Urancha book.
It's only taken them 100 years,
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you know, but we're making
progress.
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Nice.
You know, I'll tell you
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something funny.
In the 80s and the 90s, when I
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first started reading the book
and coming to grips with the
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fact that it was a revelation of
epical proportions.
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You know that.
I thought, well, you know,
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people aren't really hungry for
it right now.
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It doesn't seem like.
And now you flat flash forward
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to 2024.
And now I see why the book is
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relevant.
I'll just leave it at that.
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Yeah, there's there's some
serious, I think, Albert,
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there's some serious issues that
we have to address, you know,
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And we are an emerging, evolving
civilization.
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We're a special project for
Michael's home planet.
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He has a vested interest in us
and our success.
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Melchizedek, Adam and Eve
Caligasti would love for us to
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fail, because if we fail that
means that Michael failed and
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and we're seeing this emergence
of real evil in the world right
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now.
And I think people are being
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forced to make a choice.
Unfortunately, I don't think
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they're making the right choice.
In many ways I don't know, but
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it is an interesting time.
It's more interesting now than
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it was 40 years ago.
And and I think I appreciate now
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more than ever what the Urantia
Book's real value is, which is
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to bring to equilibrium.
I mean, we are operating blind,
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you know, every person on this.
Yeah, right.
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I just picked up an interesting
crossover.
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It's this book called The Book
of Thomas that is like a maybe a
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Gnostic gospel or one that is in
It's not in the Bible and it's
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only about 20 pages.
I didn't know when I was reading
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it whether it was like you be or
Christian.
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It was sort of this bridge.
Because I think in the Jesus
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papers, no kids in the midwers
who I like to call, they're like
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Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Yeah, they they reference, I
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think, this gospel according to
Thomas.
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At one point in the book it says
when Thomas, 'cause you know
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that Jesus and Thomas, I think
at one point they spend some
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time together.
Yeah, And they like come back
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and I'm not.
I hope I'm not confusing with
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the John Mark story, but like,
Thomas is charged not to say
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anything to them.
Yeah, I I I have a recollection
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of that myself.
In the in the book of the Gospel
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of Thomas that's recorded and he
says to the his fellows, he's
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like, if I if I would tell you
what he told me, you guys would
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stone me.
That's interesting.
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Yeah.
Yeah, Well, so.
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Well, look, So what are you
going to, where are you going to
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stay?
You're going to go to this
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thing?
Are you going to go a couple of
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days early?
What's the, what's the general
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plan for your Rancho book
readers?
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Do you know a lot of people that
are going to?
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It's in Alton, right?
Alton, IL.
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Like just on the edge of town or
something like that.
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I've not seen it, but apparently
it's a beautiful cross.
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It's over 1000 feet.
It's got the word peace at the
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bottom.
I I actually googled a a few
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photos and it's got a beautiful
picture.
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I'm not sure if it's pointing.
Well, if it's looking eastward,
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then it's looking over the
Shawnee National Forest, which
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is a beautiful.
Do I have that right?
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Do you know?
I think so, yeah.
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Is Carbondale, IL maybe the
biggest town nearby?
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Yeah, it is, yeah.
And and it's interesting because
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Halbert brought up to my
attention that the prophet, one
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of the few prophets mentioned by
name of the Urantia book, is
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from the Shawnee tribe.
And it was.
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And yeah, and he predicted the
downfall of the white man.
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Really.
Yeah.
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No, no, Oh no.
He denounced the vices of the
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white of the white man and
predicted an eclipse in the
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1800s.
And he was right.
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In that, in that exact area,
yeah.
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Yeah.
Interesting.
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Yeah.
Well, any final thoughts you
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want to share before we part
ways?
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It's been a pleasure meeting
you.
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Likewise.
Yeah, sure.
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Just I guess.
What do you want to get out of
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the?
Do you do you believe perhaps
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that that we're joining in this?
You said something earlier that
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kind of stuck with me.
In this event, April 8th at the
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at the Bald Knob Cross, a lot of
people are going, there's going
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to be all kinds of people going,
I'm guessing probably a few
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thousand people, but you know,
the media is not covering it, of
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course, you know, at all.
Truly.
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Right.
They're they're they're covering
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the eclipse, but they're not
covering the convergence at Bald
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Knob Cross, which is the bigger
story.
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But they don't want to get into
that messiness.
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You know, they don't like to
get, you know, get too
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religious, even though
everybody's hungry as hell for
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it.
But do you think that we're
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going to be celebrating in
concert with a greater
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celebration that is going on in
our in our inner system,
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government, our spiritual, the
spiritual side?
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Do you think there'll be a big
celebration going on that day?
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Yeah, that's a pretty fair
assumption, Yeah, that there
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would be a lot of visitors and,
yeah, that a lot of heaven
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would.
Yeah, I would.
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Down upon us.
Maybe something miraculous will
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happen.
We need a miracle, you know?
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It's a bit, yes.
It is a bit of a miracle.
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Well, maybe when it's over, you
can come back on and and tell us
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your experience, share your
experience.
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Would you do that?
Yeah, sure.
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Round two and I would say like
to be anywhere in the totality
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path would be well worth it.
Just just if nothing else, for
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the supremacy aspect of seeing
that, maybe from the science
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supremacy aspect.
It's a it's a it's a beautiful
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phenomenon And somebody recently
was showing me how like leaves
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or like a shadow.
I had never noticed this in
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2017, but there's like when
there when there's only the
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corona of the sun visible,
there's cool things that happen
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with the shadows.
But yes, just on a science
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level, in the zone of totality,
when the final ray of the sun is
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obscured by the moon, it's
almost like a light switch.
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And suddenly the stars are out,
and it's just pretty marvelous.
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Have you heard about the comet,
the Devil's Comet?
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Going to be to the left of it.
Yeah, you'll be able to see it
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during the eclipse they're
saying.
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There.
You might be able to see this
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comet, and it has a weird
characteristic because of the, I
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guess it has volcanoes or
something, right?
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And.
On the comet?
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Yeah, and it only happens, Oh my
goodness.
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And it only happens once every
77 years where we see it for
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this one day.
Isn't that amazing?
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Yeah.
And it happens in the zone of
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totality on the Resurrection
Day.
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Nice.
I mean the.
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Longer that you look at this,
the more interesting it gets.
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It's like one of those, Yeah,
it's just an amazing phenomenon.
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Well, listen brother, I hope you
come back on and share your
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experience with us.
OK, I will.
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All right, man.
Blessing to be with you and
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thank you.
Thank you.
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Devin Landis joining us here.
I've been out of trouble like a
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soldier saying I don't want to
spend my time in heaven looking
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at the walls of a prison cell.
I don't ever want to play the
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part of a statistic on a
government charge.
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Let's not be an invisible song
in the teams of everyone.
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Let's not be an
the.