Aprilhelen - The Art of Living

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All right, well, I mean, let me
introduce you.

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So we're back and I, I want to
be open and honest with the

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audience because, you know,
April, Helen and I have been

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laughing about this.
But we actually did this

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interview not a few days ago.
And it was a spectacular

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interview in every way.
I was very pleased with what we

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talked about and the
spontaneity.

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Just really, I just have to tell
the listeners.

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It was probably one of the best
interviews I've ever done.

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So obviously we're not going to
let that go.

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And so now we could just talk
about what we talked about in

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the previous interview.
So I think that's if you're OK

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with that.
So anyway, it was.

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A wonderful setup, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.

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I just but you had said
something in the last interview

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that made me not blow my top,
which was life is about

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challenges.
You remember that when you were,

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you know, So I the challenge.
Is the path.

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Yeah, so I took that, you know,
and said, you know what, maybe

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there's a reason.
They always say there's a reason

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for everything.
So anyway, welcome back.

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How was your weekend?
Yeah, thanks most for Jim.

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It's been beautiful here and I
love chatting with you.

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So I'm glad that we get to do it
again, especially about this

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important work of secondary
works and what that even means

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and how we can inspire people to
do them.

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Well, you do a lot of stuff.
There's a big secondary work.

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Would you consent?
Would you consider the upcoming

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thing that they're doing in
Monterey a secondary work or is

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it a?
Present I certainly will to

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consider conferences the
International Conference of the

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Iran Civic Fellowship also
supported by the other major

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organizations in the movement.
Yeah, I I want to backtrack just

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a little bit to help folks out
there understand where I'm

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coming from when I use that
phrase secondary works.

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And I think the number one thing
that is the the easiest low

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hanging fruit for all of us to
do as your Anchovic students or

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any anything that you're doing
in life that you're passionate

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about, the first step is living
and integrity with the values

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that you say you have.
So whatever you're studying and

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perhaps proselytizing and
wanting to share with the good

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and for the good and service of
the good, the greater good of

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humanity is literally looking at
your life and seeing if you are

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in alignment with that, that
that you aspire to become.

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And so then whatever comes out
of that, as you create a book or

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a conference, a retreat center,
being a teacher, sharing your

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information and values rather
than just living them or we have

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a lot of content creators now
you the podcast coming out in

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the secondary work world and,
and just really lifting up the

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importance of sharing this
information.

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So you would go so far as to say
that the secondary works

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represent the growth of the
Urantia book?

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Yes, makes, makes, because we
were all wondering what was

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happening in the 70s, which was
a lot of infighting.

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Well, we, you know, and that's
when I was born in the year that

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my parents, 77, found the book
in the then thriving Oklahoma

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City community of the readership
and how that has inspired me

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throughout my life, having the
UB teachings in the home.

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And of course, one of the great
lessons of the Urantia book is

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allowing your children to to
seek and find their own

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philosophy of living.
And I out of five of the kids in

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the home and the only one that
really took to it to do

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something, participate in the
global movement.

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Yeah.
All of the other children I've

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I've spoken to in my family that
they definitely have this

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curiosity around the truth of
it.

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And some even say I just, I just
accepted as fact and I don't

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really even need to go any
deeper.

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So that's interesting when I
meet other second generation and

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even 3rd and 4th now, now that
it's been on the planet for

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almost 100 years, that that's an
interesting thing of who all

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really is attracted to actually
do something with it.

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And, and and all of the kids in
my family, they definitely live

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a higher consciousness like
values induced lifestyles.

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So that again, I think is a
secondary work.

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Just how are you living your
life?

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You don't actually have to
produce anything big.

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Just really get in the curiosity
of the integrity of the values

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that you say you have, whether
you're a your ancient student or

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if you're coming to this podcast
from another philosophy of

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living.
You know, you talked a little

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bit about the art of living,
which is in the book there.

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Is that the Rodin art of living
or?

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Oh, I love that those sections.
Yes, I love.

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That's actually some of the most
inspiring for all for my my

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work, yes.
Yeah, for sure.

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Because it really, when you're
young, like for me when I was

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young in that period between say
15 and 25, though, the world's a

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mess.
I mean, it's it's hard to

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navigate.
It's very complicated.

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You got hormones, emotions,
feelings, uncertainty, all of

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those things.
And it, for me, it was such a

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relief to find something at that
early age where it's sort of, I

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won't say it absolved me of
having to worry about it, but

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knowing the fuller picture
lessen the anxiety.

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That's all I can say.
Well, let's say more about that

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because actually that was one of
those points that we did in our

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previous podcast.
So that is so important as we

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are in this state of
fluctuation, as we're on an

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experimental world without any
physical celestial

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representation.
So we get a manual that helps us

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to understand the cosmic eternal
perspective and how comforted I

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am in the the fluctuations of
society today.

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And you even you said something
last time that kind of

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questioned, was it heartbreaking
that when I go to Uganda and

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work with these vulnerable
children and I immediately, no,

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it doesn't.
I am thrilled because it's an

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opportunity.
It's that section in the book

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called I think the
Inevitabilities, or it's I'm

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paraphrasing.
Yeah.

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It's this list that if a planet
has the ideal to become a

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certain way, it has to have
these equal antithesis of the

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challenge to provide the canvas
to work in towards that ideal,

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say of hope or joy or equality.
It has to have inequality so we

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can understand how to get to
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So there's.
Just.

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Enthusiasm.
If a certain characteristic is

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desirable, then you have to have
circumstances that actually

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challenge that in your life to
you know, if loyalty is is

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valuable, then how do you learn
loyalty by being put in a

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position where you're could be
disloyal, for example.

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Yes, and the almost like Maran
Shimoda kind of things, but not

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quite.
It's in the.

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Era.
In the very beginning, yeah,

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about that.
Because that is a natural

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inclination.
I don't know if you know this

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story.
You probably do, but in the

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early days when the papers were
first coming out, there were a

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lot of revisions made,
particularly in the in the

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first, I think it was 11 papers
or something.

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I'm not sure about that exact
amount.

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But the, the, the transaction
that I was told was going on

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were that the unseen friends,
the revelators themselves were

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watching and monitoring the
reactions of the early forum

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when they were reading the
original papers.

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And they would notice that they
almost had to water it down.

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Because if you remember the, the
first set of papers, the 1st 57,

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I think it was 57, were
questions posed by the people

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who were in the group.
So many of them would have

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naturally asked questions like
why is there suffering?

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Or why does God allow evil to
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Because those are intrinsic
questions that everybody asks.

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In fact, they they are barriers
to people because they don't get

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the appropriate answer of why
God allows evil.

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And you just answer that by
referencing that one section

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where it talks about the
inevitabilities.

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And so I.
Think it's in the attributes of

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God paper.
That sounds about.

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Right.
Specifically pointing to what

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you just said and and that's
interesting.

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I appreciate the different takes
on the history of the papers.

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Yeah, and you were?
When I was a kid.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, were you
part of the group?

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That was it.
The gentleman who I forget his

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name, Harry McMahon or Mac
McNamara or something like that,

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and he had a group that had been
in is in fact it was some of the

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old Bill Sadler tapes that I
have that are archived on on the

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Urantia Foundation are are
events at the Oklahoma.

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They were a unique Group, One of
the first Urantia book groups in

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the entire country, the Oklahoma
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Are you aware of that?
It was yes, I I grew up in that

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group and I was a little too
young to really be into the

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depths deeps study of it.
Yet out of all the kids who were

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in that society at the time, I
was the only one that actually

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went to the study groups and sat
with the adults while all the

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other kids went back and watch
TV or play games, 'cause I I

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felt that there was this and now
I can see.

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And it was the spirit of truth
that and there now that I've

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done a lot of study in science
and the art of living and

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through the lens of yoga.
And there is this idea that if

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even if you don't understand
something, if you hear about it

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and you read about it and the
more you do that, then it's

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easier for you to understand it.
So just me going and absorbing

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all of these elders and I, I
loved being around older people

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anyway.
I just, I've always resonated

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with the desire to be around
more wisdom and experience

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experiential wisdom through the
elders.

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And I was just naturally
attracted in that way.

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And I think that that created
more of that enthusiasm compared

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to my peers.
And, and now what I'm voting all

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of my life to secondary works
projects and creating courses

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and organizing conferences.
And on my way to France to help

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a friend, another Urantia big
student, open a retreat center

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and encouraging other people to
open retreat centers and write

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books and do podcasts.
And however we can, whatever

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that person is resonating with
to do their part in outreach

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because it's going to have a
creative uniqueness in that

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expression from that individual.
And then once you start it, this

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is something that we touched on
as we were in the recording that

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I'm glad that we're now hitting
on now, just being bold in

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taking the first step to getting
your creative juices flowing.

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It is the attractor that causes
more people to come into your

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project or the funding to come
into the project.

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So start talking about it.
Even if you haven't taken the

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first step, start thinking about
it and praying about it,

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meditating over it.
Because the celestials hear you

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and they want to work with you
and and get you into the

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channels of teams and funding
for that project to flourish on

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the planet.
Well, there is a lot of money

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floating around.
I mean, I know that if you

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looked at the stock market
lately, you would see that, you

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know, there's a lot of money
floating.

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Some of a lot of it is debt, but
a lot of it is also profit.

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And, you know, they're going to
have to put that money

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somewhere.
And the Urantia book is a great

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'cause because I want to, so I'm
going to interrupt.

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But to make the point of what I
just said, you know, I've, I've

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come to discover that there's a
lot of fascination with the new,

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new Steven Spielberg movie and,
and, and there's a lot of

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fascination with this idea of
extraterrestrial.

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It's been around for, you know,
as long as I can remember.

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When I was a kid, I heard about
Betty and Barney Hill.

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And of course, Star Trek was my
entry to the idea of there being

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a universe inhabited.
So those early seeds found great

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Christian soil.
And so when I learned from the

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Urantia book that all these
things were in fact true, that

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we do live in an inhabited
universe and we're not the only

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ones by far, that that reassured
me.

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And I think that's what people
are wanting to know.

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And maybe that's why they get
that fascination with UFOs.

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But on the other hand, are you
familiar with the philosophical

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Plato's Cave by any chance?
Because so far, there we are.

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I studied philosophy in college.
OK good, because I've asked like

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People.

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Nobody knew who it was and.
Oh yeah, I mean, I'm like, what?

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Well, there's a character in
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Cave and he sees what's going
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Cave and he sees that nobody
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know what I mean.
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Believe.
Them Yeah, let me in other

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words, there are people who are
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long as they're safe and
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wonderful science fiction thing
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watching on TV and it reminds me
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The Urantia book is the getting
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what's, what's really out there.
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we're sort of, if you don't want
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people, I don't know what would
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naturally want to share it with
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truth.
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That's just something that has
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hand we want to know, but on the
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But what do we do with that
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Well, right.
I had a friend of mine tell me

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he read the Urantia book and he
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beautiful book.
I wish that I could come to the

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point where I could believe it's
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able to get there.
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years.
You know, it's like he wanted to

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believe that this story is the
right one, but he just couldn't,

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he couldn't make that.
What, what was the emotional

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capture for you?
In other words, when did you in

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your life finally say, this?
Is it, this is the truth?

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Did you have that moment or was
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You know, as a second Gen.
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and I even have noticed about
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it for granted.
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yoga and deep diving into the
classical 8 fold, if people

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don't and know about the the
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basically, if we're not using
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look at it as the art of living.
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and really started taking a
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philosophies, because the
yoranship, it says you're going

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to find truth and everything,
you're also going to find non

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truth.
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plethora like the cornucopia of
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realities.
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just validated it more and more.
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most logical thing.
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religion?
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you are your own religion, you
through your art of living and

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higher consciousness of who you
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and from the cosmic creation,
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all of us, that is your
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So what is that?
Yes, you can learn dogmatic and

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institutionalized thinking and
that's a wonderful way to get a

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socialized religion through
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that community of faith and and
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that creates that religion.
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universal mechanisms and just
rooting back to the comfort that

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it brings with the larger cosmic
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encouragement to actually
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the G3, the greatest good for
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greatest length of time and
making our decisions towards

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that supreme being.
It's this aspect of God that is

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the evolving.
God that we through our

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decisions and participatory
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actually adding value to this
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I, that is the first aspect of
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as a child and, and therefore
when I, I was in theater and

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dance and had that aim all of
high school, grade school, high

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school, and then thankfully a
blessing in disguise, I had a

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car accident that then shifted
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was able to teach all these

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higher consciousness revelatory
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teaching yoga.
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the summer study where I
something switched in me that

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now I am much more bold and
proclaiming that the Urantia

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book and not just being so
elusive about it and, and

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waiting for someone to ask me
where I receive some type of

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information.
And that actually is a

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interesting thing that's going
on in the movement right now

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that now that we're in about the
100 years, a lot of people are

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talking about the grassroots
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movement was good for the 1st
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Yet now why not do a little bit
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mass marketing.
And although I think all of the

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secondary works projects that
have come about in the last 100

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years, there now is this greater
enthusiasm about conceptualizing

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what a mass marketing global
plan might look like and getting

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funding for it.
And there's been some pushback.

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Yeah, I'll tell you what, the
only time that I think that's a

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bad idea is when I'm reading the
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Because when I read the book, I
say there's no way that knowing

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Mass, that humanity the way I
know them and our shortfalls

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there, there's just too many
people that will never be able

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to appreciate the literary
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so condensed, as you know.
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makes it profound.
But like I say, not everybody

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wants to leave The Cave.
Some people are, you know,

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there's a, there's a quotation
about, you know, organized

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religion is a thing because
people want it, because it gives

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them the ability to express
their love and their, and their

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devotion and loyalty and their
love for God and love for the

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Mother Mary in Christ.
So the ceremony is a, is sort of

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our contribution to it.
I think we like it.

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We, we embrace it.
The Urantia book isn't that kind

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of a religion where it tells you
how to celebrate and what days

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to have holidays.
And you know how many times you

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say this and do that and, and
even Christ and his teaching

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said, I don't want religion to
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I want religion to be a way of
life and a way of thinking and a

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way of doing and serving in that
golden rule.

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True religion is, is the
day-to-day of how we express our

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devotion to the to God's will or
God's desire, which is really

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the desire for everyone to serve
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That's about as simple as it
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But I, I think, you know, that's
what the Urantia book sort of

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lacks is that magical appeal.
Perhaps it's great

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intellectually and it's great
spiritually, but some sometimes

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it, it's sort of pragmatic.
You know, it's almost like a

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bunch of very high intellectual
spiritual people sat around and

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wrote this book.
Yes, definitely.

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That is the.
That is the importance of the

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readership.
If they feel compelled to do

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something to get this message
out into mainstream, it's

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whatever secondary works that
they can think of to bring it

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down to layman terms.
And one of my favorites.

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And I fantasize and I think you
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And I know of several other
producers of writing

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screenplays.
My direction would be sci-fi,

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you know, thriller action,
taking the four parts of the

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book and doing a blockbuster
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And I've started writing and I'm
who knows, you know, what, how

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long that will take or you know,
I'm, I'm halfway through the

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average lifespan.
So we'll see if if that will

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come to reality yet.
Anything like that.

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And I've, I've noticed a lot of
social media is coming out of

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content creators that they may
not even say the Urantia book.

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They may have it just minimally
in in their production, yet they

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are more and more getting the
teachings out well.

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And then that links back to what
is the first thing that you

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really need to do as secondary
works is actually live it.

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Take it out of the
intellectualization and actually

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live it.
And you know, not all your

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ancient book readers do that.
I've, I've interacted with

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plenty who do and plenty who
need a lot of work in it.

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So if ever the baseline, we can
encourage people that to look at

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themselves to know themselves,
to really see if they're in

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alignment with with what they're
trying to get people to

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understand.
Yeah, well, yeah, I, I, I guess

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so.
But you know, we got to pay the

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bills, April.
And I mean, we don't have time

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to sit around, hold study groups
and do all that, that stuff.

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It's all good.
It feels good.

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But you know, some of us are
just sitting out and, you know,

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we're, we're empty nesters and
we now finally have the time to

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absorb the book.
I just find the whole

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preparatory experience of
knowing or at least thinking

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that I know what's ahead.
And that's what excites me.

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And it, it makes, makes this
life even more meaningful if

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you, if you can get that you
mentioned, which I thought was a

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great phrase that you are, you
describe yourself.

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I think I got it right as a
militant optimist.

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Yes.
I mean, can you retell that

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story for our wonderful
listeners?

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Well, the, you know, militant,
that definitely expresses kind

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of even a negative context if we
think of military.

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Yet if we put optimism towards
that, it goes back to what I

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used to have the motto, as I
said earlier in the podcast, the

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challenge is the path.
One of my earliest lessons pre

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preteen was you're going to have
challenges because those are the

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things that help you gain
experiential wisdom by learning

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your lessons.
So what is the ideal in that

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situation is learning how to
move and navigate through the

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inevitable challenges of life
with grace and with ease.

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And and when you're in that
moment of choosing whether you

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want to take the side of
suffering and or knowing that is

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what I some philosophers call
volunteering, the suffering

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volunteer suffering.
Yeah, that turns it not into

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anything you.
Mean like lean into it.

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Like just lean into it and
notice.

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Yes.
And take the challenge, know

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that it's going to produce the
experiential wisdom.

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And the quicker you can move
into the space of acceptance

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through that observation, the
quicker you can move on to the

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next challenge and grow in grace
and in faith.

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And knowing that, well, you were
saying it, that expanded

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perspective of what's coming
after this planet, then it, it,

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it puts our mind at ease as,
okay, so the universe of the

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school, the entire universe is
an education system.

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And then once you fuse with the
creator, then you get to go out

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and and serve and teach and be
administers of of worlds and

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take on jobs.
I mean, I mean you and I Cool.

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Is.
That it is cool, it's very cool.

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But some people, I mean, that's
the point is like, you know,

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some people hearing that for the
first time, they it's almost

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unbelievable.
But you know, through logic and

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intellect and faith, as Meredith
Sprunger so famously said, if it

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isn't like that, it should be.
If the universe isn't like what

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the UB says and it it should be
or it's pretty darn close.

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And of course, I always throw
out, well, show me something

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better.
But anyway, I got a couple more

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questions for you here.
So stay positive.

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That's, you know, the art of
living.

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All of that is good.
The three pillars, you know,

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mind matter and spirit balance.
And I and I do believe that that

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philosophy could go so far into
alleviating the the massive

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mental illness that's going on
in our world.

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And I would like to see as a
secondary offshoot of the

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Urantia book is if if there was
someone who could apply the

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Urantia book teachings in a way
that would be therapeutic to

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people who are seeking
counselling for anxiety or

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depression, rather than the
default, which is take two of

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these and I'll see you in a
year, which is what would

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become.
That's cool, right.

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So that's.
I know of a lot of several that

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are doing that in their work,
including me over the last 30

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years.
Well.

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That there needs to be more of
it and.

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Strangers.
Yeah, I think we could, we could

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be an adjunct to because mental
illness is probably the number

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one health issue in the country
besides nutrition and they are a

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00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000
related which is interesting.
You know what I also find

451
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600
interesting is that Kellogg,
Wilfred the The Who was

452
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,960
suspected of being the sleeping
subject.

453
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,760
His brother is the, the man who
had a sanitarium in Battle

454
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,160
Creek, MI, which was not far
from where the foundation is.

455
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,440
And it's that little area of
Indiana and Michigan and, and

456
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,080
they, he was the first to
connect nutrition with mental

457
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,800
health like and, and, and, and
the pharma industry has

458
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,920
completely ignored it.
It's it's a, it's a shame and

459
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,200
it's a travesty.
And in science, maybe they've

460
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,600
proven it, but I know that
there's enough studies to show

461
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,760
that spirituality and faith are
great tools to fighting mental

462
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,520
illness.
And we don't practice it.

463
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,600
And the reason we don't practice
it today is because of this

464
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,320
hesitancy to get involved with
religion.

465
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,480
You know, it's become such a hot
topic.

466
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,600
And This is why they're
debating.

467
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,720
They're still debating 10
commandments and whether they

468
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,600
should be in the classroom,
anything to do with religion.

469
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,640
It's it's, it's a whole group of
people who don't want to go

470
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,640
there.
And it's a So maybe the Urantia

471
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,240
book could maybe bend that curve
back the other way where we

472
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,400
address mental illness through
spiritual therapy as well as

473
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,520
emotional therapy.
And in the other things too.

474
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,200
But do you think you agree with
me on that?

475
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,480
Can you get with your
connections and I'll get with

476
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,680
mine and we'll see if maybe we
can form an organization, you

477
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,440
know?
Well, I'm a nonprofit.

478
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Lovingly disagree that you just
said that we aren't practicing

479
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,640
that.
And I, I don't see that.

480
00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,520
I see the world right now is
coming into that and people are

481
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:07,720
doing it through many different
modalities like yoga and the the

482
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:14,280
important part of reframing that
word religion to mean your

483
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,640
personal adventure.
And it is you coming into the

484
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:27,680
integrity of your art of living
that will then encourage people.

485
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Once you get ignited and start
living it, then your energetic

486
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:41,760
frequency raises and people are
then attracted to you and, and

487
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:48,200
you get to to expand upon how
this is and why this is and, and

488
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,560
share it.
And certainly science is

489
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,000
catching up to all of the things
that we're talking about,

490
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,440
specifically that energetic
frequency piece associated with

491
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:07,840
the mind and emotions and how it
affects the physical material,

492
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:14,760
not only through thoughts, yet
in nutrition, nutritional

493
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,040
intake, like not just food, yet
sleep and movement.

494
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,560
And I just read an article that
some it came out where thoughts

495
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,880
are the first thing that you
should be considering.

496
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,480
And, and through my courses, I
teach a lot about the clarity

497
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,600
around your inner landscape,
your inner dialogue with who I

498
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,040
call God, whatever you want to
call it, whether it's your

499
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,400
higher self or whatever is going
on in your mind.

500
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:53,040
And that's why it's so important
to not only learn meditation,

501
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,920
which actually first comes
concentration, you have to learn

502
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,960
how to concentrate before you
can actually meditate.

503
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:08,040
And then meditating on different
realities or projects.

504
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,960
And, and then where that goes
in, in spiritual terms, you

505
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:19,880
know, prayer, communion, coming
into worship of your, the, the

506
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:26,120
one who created you and just
sitting in that presence so that

507
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,040
you can shift your energetic
frequency, which shifts your

508
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,200
energetic field around you,
which then shifts all the things

509
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,600
that you do in it and the people
you allow in it.

510
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:46,360
And I mean, it's definitely this
ripple effect of so if we're

511
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,840
talking to y'all out there, how
are your thoughts?

512
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,280
What are you thinking?
What words are you choosing that

513
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,560
roots back to the militant
optimism?

514
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Yeah.
So whenever I, I.

515
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,840
Don't know what you got, but
I'll buy what you're selling,

516
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,000
you know so.
Let's I already have an

517
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,840
organization so we can expand.
It.

518
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Oh, I see.
OK, All right.

519
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,480
What is your organization?
Yeah, I created with some.

520
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,760
Other.
Arrangement readers several

521
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,760
years ago, it's called
Concentric Circles and our motto

522
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,760
is making ripples.
And it actually started with

523
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,280
something that you and I have
talked about in the past, my

524
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,840
affiliation with this children's
home in Uganda.

525
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,640
And it we first created it as a
nonprofit specifically for that.

526
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,760
Yet now it has expanded into
welcoming other secondary work

527
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,960
creators as us as a fiscal
sponsor, yet also mentors to get

528
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,000
your project.
So if anybody you are out there

529
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,640
who needs some mentorship, we
just created an online school.

530
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,000
I need websites.
I need websites.

531
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680
I need e-mail addresses.
You got to give that stuff to me

532
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,520
so I can post it up on the, the,
the, yeah.

533
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,240
For those of you who are
listening now, it's concentric

534
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:15,320
circles.worldaprilhelen.com.
Yeah, there's several other

535
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Spirit is another one that that
is the secondary works database

536
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,360
that we're expanding or it's
really I'm a one man show, one

537
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,480
woman show on that and I'm
calling it any other team

538
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,360
members that want to participate
in that way?

539
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Well, I'm sure they will.
Obviously you can hear it in

540
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,080
your voice, the enthusiasm, the
excitement, and it's infectious.

541
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,280
So I'm, I might put you on the
spot, but let me ask you anyway.

542
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,560
As we close out, sometimes I
like to ask, but who is your

543
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,480
favorite personality in the
Orangi book or your favorite

544
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,440
apostle?
Who did you sort of connect with

545
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,720
in that experience?
I know everybody has a favorite.

546
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,240
Anybody that stands out for you.
Yeah.

547
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Oh my gosh.
Well, I.

548
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Said earlier.
The first, the first, well, Him

549
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,800
too.
Yet my first connection with God

550
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,200
was the Supreme Being.
Right now in my life, I'm really

551
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,200
admiring and working with the
midwares.

552
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,280
And for those of you who don't
know, the midwares, midwares and

553
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,080
angels actually outnumber humans
on this planet.

554
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,760
So picture that like grossly
outnumber us.

555
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:31,120
And the midwares specifically
are what they call the actual

556
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,960
residence of the planet because
they stay here when as humans

557
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,920
continue to transition on to the
mansion worlds and then on and

558
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,200
on until the Isle of Paradise.
So I'm really fascinated and

559
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,240
calling in partnership with the
midwares right now.

560
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Thanks for asking that.
Sure, you know that's

561
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,360
fascinating.
And that's a whole hour unto

562
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,520
itself.
Yes, it is.

563
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,760
And I wanted to talk about the
Father's temple project, but

564
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,120
we'll save that.
I always try to keep this at a

565
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,160
certain that's what the that's
what the consultants tell me,

566
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,080
but we'll have you back.
And I, I just for me that I want

567
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,720
to answer that question because
I've changed.

568
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,440
It's now John the Baptist,
because John the Baptist is a,

569
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,040
is a story that I don't think
it's told.

570
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,400
And when you're talking about a
script, I've actually written

571
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,040
the script.
I've, I had the idea in my, my

572
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,800
mind for decades, you know, in
reading that, that chapter on

573
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,160
him and his relationship with
Jesus and their youth.

574
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,520
And in my mind, I sort of
formulated the screenplay on how

575
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,280
I would like to see it.
And, and then a couple of weeks

576
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,440
ago, I was talking to somebody
about the Urantia book and, and

577
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,880
told them, you know, I really
want to bring it to life, like

578
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,240
what you were saying.
And she and the lady said, well,

579
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,280
why don't you do it like you,
you know, just do it, you know,

580
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040
what are you waiting for?
Even if you know?

581
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,560
And so anyway, I spent about 3
or 4 days outlining it and then

582
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,760
bavoom, it's all done.
So now I just have to find

583
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,720
somebody who wants the script.
You want the script?

584
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,080
You want me to give it to you?
I'll send you a copy of it.

585
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,640
We're calling it in, you know,
I'm ready, but I know that other

586
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,880
organizations and all kidding
aside, yeah, it is something

587
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,800
that I'm excited about right now
and I'll continue to update

588
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,680
people on that.
But I know CFU is doing some

589
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,280
great secondary works.
They've got some exciting things

590
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,360
that they're doing.
It is an exciting time for the

591
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,240
Urantia book and it is starting
to reach that, that level where

592
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:41,640
it's exponential growth.
And I just, I'm excited, more

593
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,760
excited than I have been in a
long, long time.

594
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,360
So with that being said, yeah.
Yes.

595
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Anyway, final thoughts.
Well, that.

596
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,880
OK.
What about this?

597
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Are they sold out at this?
Just one more plug for the July

598
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,160
event.
Are they sold out?

599
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,760
Yeah.
OK.

600
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,320
And how do they find out more
about that?

601
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:09,000
They're not.
So it's on the Urantia Big

602
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,920
Fellowships website.
Our registration is open

603
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:19,000
currently for commuters which
there are rentals around the

604
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,360
land and even a camping.
And I think if you contacted A

605
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,200
Solomar, there may even still be
some rooms available that aren't

606
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,920
a part of our block yet.
You can still stay on campus and

607
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:42,440
we are completely welcoming you
to join us in near Monterey, CA

608
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,200
this year, July 12th through
16th with a pre conference.

609
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,920
Actually there's also a pre
conference in Eden Springs,

610
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,960
which is a retreat center
around, it's a West of Reno, NV

611
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,000
just on the other side inside
the California border.

612
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,160
And so that's going to be around
the 9th through the 12th for

613
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,960
about I think they have 40
attending and that's more

614
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,880
camping.
And so all of these awesome

615
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,120
things that are happening this
summer for summer vacations,

616
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,080
come one, come all.
Even if you're not your Rancho

617
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,920
Book readers yet, we have a lot
of information for beginners and

618
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,720
we welcome you into the
community.

619
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,960
That's great.
Thank you so much, April.

620
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,720
Helen here on the Rancho Radio
Podcast.

621
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,360
Joe, Well, my pleasure to you
always bring lots of good stuff

622
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,000
to the show.
So thank you for that and we'll

623
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,920
talk to you again soon.