Angelic Story of Jesus

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Welcome to another edition of
the Rancho Radio Podcast.

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I'm Jim Watkins and my guest
this time.

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Up on your Rancho Radio are two
people you've heard from before.

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They are both working on a new
project that we will delve into.

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Gabriel Reinberg and Joel Garbin
join us to talk about the

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angelic Story of Jesus project.
It's a big deal.

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We also talk about the current
state of religion, the impact

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from AI, good as well as
dangerous things that can happen

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with this new technology, and
all about the real dearth of

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global and national leadership.
Where are we headed?

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But the main focus on this
episode will be these guys and

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their latest project that you're
going to love hearing about.

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And I also want to encourage you
to check out this website.

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You'll hear it a few times
during the show.

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It's 7 Circles, creative.com,
sevencirclescreative.com that is

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the subject of this episode of
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Gabriel and Joel will be joining
us in just a moment, the angelic

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story of Jesus on your ranch
radio.

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Let's get underway with our
conversation talking about

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purpose.
It's always been our job, the

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ones who are devoted to this
revelation and want to pursue

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this path.
It doesn't matter which religion

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you belong to.
All we aspire to is to be

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better, best versions of
ourselves with a more godly

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life, whatever that means for
us, and then help another person

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do the same thing in a non
coercive way, respecting their

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free will.
So this project that we're going

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to start talking about is
exactly for this reason.

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This is why we're doing it.
In, in most of the work that

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that I've done, you've done, the
focus has been on how do we

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bring these concepts of the
Urantia book to life and, and

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get people, you know, to get
excited again.

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And but there's also all of the
stuff that goes on around us and

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you, me and and Joel and others,
we view the world through the

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lens of the Urantia book, you
know, because now that we've had

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a chance to read about it, just
as a for example, when I see the

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equality of leadership or lack
thereof in our government, I

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often think of that government
on a neighboring planet and I

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think about what they learned.
And I and I'm saying somebody's

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got to talk about that and say,
you know, we, we've got it so

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bad.
There's no, you know, you know

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who Nancy Pelosi is, right?
The woman is a billionaire, A

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billionaire off a salary that,
you know, an average Carpenter

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might make for a major
corporation.

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Now how do you get to be a mill?
A billionaire being a

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congresswoman?
Answer me that.

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And now Eric's Slalwell.
Slalwell, he wants to be the

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next governor of California, the
5th largest economy in the

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world.
And we've got a 34 year old guy

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who's never had a job running
the the, the richest city on the

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planet.
Something's wrong.

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And I'm thinking about the
government on a neighboring

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planet.
We need to revamp the whole

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leadership selection thing.
But that's viewed through the

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eyes of a Urantian because I
have something I think I can

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compare it to, you know, so.
I want to I want to add a little

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something to to that, that
conversation about what's going

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on in current times here.
So, you know, and Gabriel, you

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mentioned that the AI
masterminds need to come to a

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greater consciousness about
what's going on here, in so many

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words.
However, those same folks, as I

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understand it, are buying
properties that are kind of

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their safe haven in their own
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They might be remote properties,
might even be underground

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properties.
So they're making contingencies

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for themselves and their
families for a societal collapse

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that they're bringing about.
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So it's a it's a really strange
psychological disconnect on what

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is it?
What is it going on in in the

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minds the psychics of these
people that would make choices

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that could potentially bring
about an apocalypse for what

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end, toward what end?
And are they being controlled in

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a way to make these decisions?
And I hold out that that's a

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strong possibility because as,
as we know, there are forces

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unseen on this planet, spiritual
forces that, that do try to

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penetrate human minds and, and
bring about influence.

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And, and that influence I, I'm
pretty convinced uses the ego

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structure to, to gain entrance.
And when you have the

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billionaire class and a lot of
brilliant scientific

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technological minds where
everyone wants to think they're

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the smartest guy in the room and
they love the praise and all

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the, the adoration and all that,
they become so susceptible, so

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vulnerable to these other
influences that use flattery to

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gain entrance and help, help to
direct the narrative.

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And I, and I think there's a lot
of that what's that's going on

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today.
And you know, I'm, I'm not so

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sure that we can count on a
consciousness raising among that

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group of people who are, who are
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You know, I, I think where it
starts is the consciousness

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raising at the individual level
and then at the family level.

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You know, I mean, is there still
more suffering to come?

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I don't.
Know.

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Well, it could, it could be.
And it seems like bitter

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medicine is something that that
we routinely need in order to

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kind of shake this, this dust
off of us and go like, oh, whoa,

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I've been way out of whack on my
priorities.

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And, and they got got to get
back to center in the basics.

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And really, God should be at
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And we've lost that.
You probably saw the poll that

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just came out couple days ago.
A new poll looked at what the in

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America, what the percent of
people who consider religion to

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be central to their lives.
And it has fallen off like 15 to

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20% in the last 10 years, which
is consistent with that same

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fall off that's happened in
other Western nations and some

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non Western nations as well.
So it's, it's not just AUS or,

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or North American issue.
It is a global issue where,

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where people are becoming much
more occupied with the, the, the

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secular, materialistic,
distracted priorities rather

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than focusing on a life that has
God at the center to, to give

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the meaning and purpose and
direction to our lives.

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So that trend, that trend is
still going down at a, at a

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rapid rate.
It's the young people who we got

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to reach because, you know, the
old dogs don't want to learn new

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tricks, right?
But the young people are still,

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you know, they're still
malleable enough and curious

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enough, I believe that they're
willing to look at things in a

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new way and experiment.
And I think a lot of these like

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social the, the, the socialist
takeover now at the mayoral

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level in New York City, at the
mayoral level in Seattle, this

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is part of an experimentation
mindset that the younger people

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have because they know what we
have right now is not working.

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And, and so they're going like,
well, why not try something

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really radically new and just
see what happens?

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So they're going to see what
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All right.
Do you guys think of the Urantia

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book as an emergency mission
much like and then I want to get

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into the what you're what you
guys are working on specifically

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because it all dovetails into
that I.

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I, you know, after making this
video, which is starting from a

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quote from I think 184, a
civilization that advances

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materially too fast as within
itself it's own seeds of

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retrogression.
I think we are starting to see

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the retrogression now.
It's been 150 years of an

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industrial revolution, an
Internet revolution, and now the

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AI revolution.
It's going so fast that to the

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point where like I have a scene
that says when when the

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revelators wrote in English
mechanical minds, people were

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thinking of Abacus and you know,
mechanical calculators.

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And to today we have AIS that
can write novellas and books and

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you know, and there's still
mechanical minds, but wow, it's

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like magic, you know, same
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Like you talk to somebody 10,000
years ago about people flying in

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the air like birds like it, it,
it sounds outlandish, right.

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So we've been on this path for
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generations.
And, and I, and I say there in

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the, in the video, my best and
kindest estimate for humanity is

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that 1% of us are awake and 99%
of us are sleeping and awake.

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By awake, I mean we, we are,
it's not good people, bad

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people, not nothing like that.
It's I wake up in the morning.

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I, I strive to be the best
version of myself that I can be

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in connection with the divine
that I recognize as my guidance.

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And I do my best to, to be that
person consciously.

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And then when I, when I sleep,
when I fall asleep and I forget,

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I remember again and I wake up
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I know how it feels because I
was asleep for most of my life.

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And by grace, I woke up and I
look around at the world that

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we're creating.
It's a world of sleeping people

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to be kind, right?
It's a world of insane people.

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We are fucking lunatics.
And I'm living this at the at

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the forefront of people coming
from Gaza and doing what they

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did and, and the world saying,
no, no, the Jews are committing

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genocide.
I'm not going to go into the

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rabbit hole.
So we are collectively, all of

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us, still lunatics by virtue of
looking at the world we have

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created and how we treat each
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We have everything we could ever
want, but we're still not happy

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and we're still not connected to
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And so my estimate is just by
sampling the people I've ever

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known in my life, how many of
them are really doing this?

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Waking up in the morning,
praying to God, believing that

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there is a divine creator, and
then devoting their lives to be

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the best version of themselves
with God in the middle. 1% is

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Max.
So until we get to 10%, this

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world is not going to change.
And, and the reason CFU is doing

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everything is to take those
small.

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And the reason you're doing the
same thing, Jim, is to take

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those small steps to help more
people wake up whatever way they

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have to wake up with all the
grace and spiritual influences

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that are helping them to do
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Like Joel likes to say, you
know, we show up, we do our

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thing and we don't control the
outcome or in in the Rancho

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books, words is the ACT is ours.
The consequence is God's the

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same thing.
It's the same teaching is, but

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we have to do our thing.
And you know, and my struggle is

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I know this planet will make it.
This is Michael's planet, for

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God's sake.
There is no possibility for

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failure.
But I also know that it's not

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going to make it if we don't do
our work.

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No, we, we, the ones that Live
Today, the ones that are coming

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after us, we really have to do
our best, whatever that is, you

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with the radio.
We, we with our projects and

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everything we do and, and, you
know, helping other people wake

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up in whatever shape or form
they have to do it.

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So, you know, we're toiling and
we're putting our two cents into

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the Piggy Bank.
And I know it's going to work

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because I have faith that this
planet will not fail and it's

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going to be the greatest turn
around in Nevada because that's

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what it is, right?
That's why Michael came here.

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Yeah.
To your earlier question,

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whether we think that the
Urantia revelation was an

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emergency mission, I absolutely
say yes.

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You look at the time frame when
it was delivered in the 1920s

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and 30s.
So we just come out of World War

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One, we had the rise of
communism and fascism in Europe.

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We had the advent of nuclear
physics that were rapidly

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advancing toward the ability to
create nuclear weapons, which

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actually ended up happening
just, you know, a decade after

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the transmissions were
completed.

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And so they could anticipate
that.

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Whoa.
You know, you guys are on a

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crash course.
And what I find is very

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interesting because as you know,
I'm I'm pretty steeped in and

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what this kind of backdrop of
the UFOET research community or

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are are are looking at to peel
back that onion.

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And the Urantia book is really
the only good reference point to

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harmonize the, the existence of
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planets and the possibility that
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planet for a long time.
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revelation is the only source to
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really coherent narrative about
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aspects of, you know, origins,
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greater, a greater humanity.
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that that really makes sense.
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much of, of what was going on
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transmissions back in the 20s
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with nuclear development and
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Roswell, which was 1947, OK.
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this whole UFOET thing started
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sightings there been at nuclear
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but in Russia and China.
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monitoring campaign that's
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kinds of hearings that are going
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from within the military
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community, military industrial
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saying, hey, this is real.
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And it's not a fairy dust.
And and you know, ball lightning

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and swamp gas and all that.
This is real.

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There is a a real presence of,
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here doing highly technological
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surveillance, having contact
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of of, of, of Earth humanity.
And it's real.

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In fact, even Jim, you may be
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on November 21, there's going to
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blockbuster documentary on on
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disclosure.
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name of the film and that that's
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some major cities in the US.
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showcase a lot of these
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high levels.
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real.
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It's not going away.
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maturely and, and deal with this
and hopefully use that

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information as a wake up call to
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You know, Gabriel described the
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You know, we, we, we got to get
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Things are kind of weird right
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Things are out of whack.
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overwhelming and I don't know
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have no clue.
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about is that the Orangi book is
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The most important thing of this
hour, which is the angelic story

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of Jesus, and again, Gabriel
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guys, along with a team of
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over at the Center for Unity on
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So the floor is yours, as they
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Gabriel, what's going on with
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What is it about?
Look, I'm going to let Joel pick

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it up because he's the most
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I love his bitch.
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is, is a group of people from
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grounding in the Urantia book
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And, you know, we come from a
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a lot of different faith
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Catholic background or mainline
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evangelical background, Jewish
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I, I, I would say just about
anything you can imagine.

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maybe we had growing up some
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in our family, or maybe none at
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that we've taken a

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extraordinarily compelling
interest in the information

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that's in this book called do
your answer book.

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it's fair to say that it has

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become a central focus in each
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on how we can move forward to
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pressing challenges on the
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And, and one of those for sure
is the disaffection of youth and

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young adults from religion and
that has led to a an epidemic of

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catastrophic proportions for our
young people, the levels of

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anxiety and despair, of
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Of self-destructive behavior, of
not wanting to to marry, not

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wanting to have children, of
feelings of of no meaning and

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purpose in their lives so much
as wound up into this whole ball

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of wax that relates to a
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and that don't that are are much
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in in material pursuits.
Being tied to this little

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device.
That's it, that's continually in

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their hands that it's hard for
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from a screen.
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other young people through the
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likely through actual direct
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So many things that are bundled
into this and what we see here

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at the Center for Unity is being
able to use modern tools and the

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way young people communicate in
the technologies they use to

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communicate and gather
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We can use that to reach them
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them to investigate this same
information that that has so

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deeply impacted each of us and
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meaning and purpose and hope and
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And, and so we're really excited
about the the opportunities with

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the projects that we've created.
You're going to hear from

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Gabriel here in a second who
really is the visionary behind

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not just the Center for Unity
itself, but a lot of these these

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very farsighted projects, one of
which we're going to describe

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here shortly.
It's called the angelic story of

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Jesus immersive project.
And Gabriel will explain what an

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immersive exhibit or an an
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and why our particular concept
for that really makes a lot of

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sense and and has a a really
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connect with young people and
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explanation If you haven't seen
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then I'll just describe one for
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There have been many types of
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people, places, things in
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Normally what happens is you go
into a physical venue that looks

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pretty much like a basketball
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It's got a very high ceiling.

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They took factories and and huge
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for these types of experiences.
When you go there, you're

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basically immersed.
What are you immersed in?

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Sound, visuals, sometimes
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anything that touches your
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But you are inside the
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You can sit down or walk around.
It's not a cinema and every

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surface in this venue is
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telling you a story.
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the language of the
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translate it for you with a with
an audio, but you're basically

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immersed in it.
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the most famous ones is called
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Van Gogh was a famous painter.
So they tell the story of his

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life.
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He died penniless.
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hundreds of millions today.
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very, very poor.
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has a story.
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of this person's life, what
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paintings.
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this venue.
Sometimes they have also what is

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called VR.
You put goggles on and then you

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have your own personal immersive
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you're sitting down or you're
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So that's another option.
Then you have some merch you can

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buy some things that are related
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you.
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a presentation about something
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interested in, in a in a, in a
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not a movie, it's something
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physically going there.
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tell something from the Rancho
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life and the teachings of Jesus.
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know when we, when you, when we
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we have almost half a million
words that describe everything

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that happens.
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description is you can you can
sense it is beings who have

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authority to say this is what
happened because they were

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witnesses, first hand witnesses.
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They were superhuman on in some
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including all the lost years,
what happened since he went to

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the temple, What happened before
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childhood?
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met his disciples and started
after baptism and everything

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that happened after the
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So it's a, it's a whole
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We'd like to say that it really
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New Testament.
But you can say, and you can

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count, so to speak and say, oh,
the Bible describes about 30

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days in the life of Jesus.
But we know he was 30 something

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when he died.
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other days?
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Course, nobody knows, but here's
our here's our angle and that

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and that's why we call it the
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We all believe in angels or most
of us believe they're, they're

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superhuman beings called angels.
Some of us have seen them.

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We were painting them, we're
sculpturing them.

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likely immortal, right?

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They don't die.
They're not immortal.

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So it makes sense that they were
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guy Jesus was on the planet and
doing all these things that are

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described in the Scripture.
So what would they tell us if

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they could?
This is our angle and we're

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using the information in the
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superhuman beings from their own
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You will see if you open the
book that sometimes and many

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times there's quotation marks
around words that were said by

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Jesus.
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only if they have heard the
words of the speech or you know,

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so, so they're, they're coming
with authority and we are

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basically boring their authority
and saying this could be a

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presentation from the angelic
point of view of what happened

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2000 years ago.
And that's, that gives us a lot

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of creative license to fill in
the details and bring episodes

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that would talk to the youth of
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For example, one of the things
that happened, according to this

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narrative, is that Joseph, his
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years old.
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Joseph and Mary already had
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One of them was yet to be born,
the youngest, Ruth.

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with his mom of all his brothers
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14 years old.
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What did he do?
How did he deal with this very,

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very big challenge?
We have a whole narrative to

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that explains everything that he
did, all the hardships that he

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went through, times of poverty,
times of lack, times of very

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long times of hard work, very
hard work, a lot of

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responsibility, a lot of
anxiety, disagreements with his

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mom about all of this.
He had to also contain his mom

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that lost her husband, a beloved
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You know, this is grief and and
pain and sorrow, all the range

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of humans emotions.
So we see Jesus, young Jesus go

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through all the things that we
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makes him a lot more relatable.
So of course he was divine, but

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he was also human.
So let's see what was it?

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What was, how was how did this
boy grow up to become a young

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man and then a man and then the
person we have descriptions of

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in in Scripture.
So this is just one example of

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many, many, many that we can
present in this immersive

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format.
So we could probably create

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hundreds of hours of content.
So we will start with a select

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few stories and the first venue
and then grow organically from

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00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,680
there and perhaps move it from
city to city in the US and

450
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,000
perhaps later globally, so that
people around the globe can meet

451
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,520
another version of Jesus, the
angelic version of cities.

452
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Are these are you?
Have you put thought into the

453
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,520
structure, like perhaps length?
You know you're looking for a

454
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,880
certain length of these stories.
What tell us a little bit about

455
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,920
the thought that goes into?
So, so to be honest, our

456
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:51,160
executive team, which is Joel
and myself and Rick and Dan, we

457
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,880
have a lot of experience in
entrepreneurship and business

458
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,160
and management and sales and
marketing all together.

459
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,400
But we don't have any experience
in the immersive arena.

460
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,120
So the first thing we did is we
contacted several of these

461
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,200
vendors worldwide, renowned
vendors that are doing this for

462
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,920
years.
And then we've selected one of

463
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,920
them and had multiple
conversations with this vendor.

464
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,560
And we already have the a
proposed road map with some

465
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,720
estimates of the cost.
So they will be our, let's say

466
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,280
trusted partners in this
bringing all the expertise of

467
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,320
production, content production,
the physical build out, the

468
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,360
venue construction, marketing,
sales operations.

469
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,360
We will be the visionaries and
the creative directors.

470
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,000
So this is a partnership with,
we bring the ideas and they tell

471
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,080
us, listen, this will work.
This will not work.

472
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
It should be this long, it
should be this type of work.

473
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,120
And then we together we will
form and create this content.

474
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,960
But like I like I'm saying to
people that I talked to, we want

475
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,520
to do this project.
Many Christians can do different

476
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,040
projects.
They can take the Bible and and

477
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,480
put into an immersive format the
stories of the Bible, the New

478
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,440
Testament I.
Think they do have to just yeah.

479
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,040
And yeah, and they have and they
will.

480
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,160
And, and we hope that they they
will, you know, and they should.

481
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,600
They should.
But we are going to do other

482
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,960
types of stories from this
source because we feel that we

483
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,280
are the only ones well equipped
to do this project because we we

484
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,080
basically represent hundreds of
studiers of this resource with

485
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,080
all the connections and all the
intricacies of an intimate

486
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,800
knowledge of what the angelics
are telling us about the life of

487
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Jesus.
So only people who have been

488
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,920
studying this source for a long
time can produce something that

489
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,560
is based on this source.
And somebody else will have to

490
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,480
invest all those hours, but
we've already invested them as

491
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,000
as our choice in life.
So, and this is a unique

492
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,880
project, only people like us can
do a project like this.

493
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,960
And this is the only project we
want to do.

494
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,960
And so, you know, we will select
the stories and the duration and

495
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,120
the angles all together with the
professionals who know how to

496
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,320
make this a success in, in, in a
commercial venue, right?

497
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,360
So, so we're partnering with the
best of the best and we're

498
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080
bringing everything that we can
to this partnership.

499
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,080
There are a lot of unemployed
editors, musicians in Los

500
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Angeles right now looking for a
gig.

501
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,160
And I'm, I'm pretty sure that
the Urantia book is being read

502
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320
by some of these people, maybe
even people listening to this.

503
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,000
So but we also need producers
too.

504
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,000
And right now, you can throw all
your money at these woke films

505
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,000
that are coming out of Hollywood
and watch your childhoods, your,

506
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,080
your, your children's, you know,
inheritance go away.

507
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Or you can invent and invest in
something like this that

508
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
actually will have enduring, you
know, value.

509
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,360
So yeah.
Do you have a sizzle reel, as

510
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,600
they say?
You know, like how far have you

511
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,320
been able to produce something
that that we can look at or see

512
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,880
gives us an idea of this
project?

513
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Yeah.
So what we, what we did was we

514
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,560
took several months to give some
thought on how best to present

515
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,480
the concept here for the angelic
story of Jesus, because a lot of

516
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000
people, maybe most people don't
know what an immersive

517
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,920
experience is and they, they
don't know what the your answer

518
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,080
book is.
So what we did was we, we put

519
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,480
together about a 7 minute long
video that has three different

520
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,600
parts.
There's an introduction part

521
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,680
that explains why we are doing
this.

522
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,480
What what is the real goal
behind this project?

523
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,720
And it is focused on the youth
and young adults who've been

524
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,360
very disaffected from religion
and all the problems that have

525
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,160
come along with that.
We want to reconnect them with

526
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,640
God and, and you know, kind of
specifically with the indwelling

527
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,560
spirit of God that's in each of
us and that is that is with each

528
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,800
of these young people.
And then also with hope,

529
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,520
hopefully we will stimulate an
interest to take a look at Jesus

530
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,679
in a new and and refreshed way
that they don't hear, if they've

531
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,840
heard anything at all about
Jesus and his life and teachings

532
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,320
that that they have an
opportunity to investigate him

533
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,120
and out through a whole new lens
that they had never considered

534
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
before because it never been
presented before.

535
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,199
As Gabriel said, the New
Testament gospel accounts only

536
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,199
cover what is considered about
30 days out of a 30 some year

537
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,320
life.
So he got this tiny, much less

538
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,680
than 1% view of this most
remarkable person, whoever lived

539
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,280
on this planet Jesus.
That's told in that the gospel

540
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,680
accounts.
But there's so much more to hear

541
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,200
about and the your answer book
presents that so much more

542
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,160
through the perspectives of the
witnessing superhuman beings

543
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:22,440
there, namely angels and and
other other spiritual beings who

544
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,040
tell that narrative in the, in
the fourth section of the

545
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Urantia book, the Life and
teachings of Jesus.

546
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,840
So we're, we're presenting this
opportunity for for a wide

547
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,320
audience, but focused on the
young people to, to take a new

548
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,160
look at Jesus and do it in a way
that's very, very compelling.

549
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,920
So the, the introduction to the
seven minute video lays that

550
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,240
out.
What's the goal?

551
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,560
Who's the target audience?
The the second part of the video

552
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:59,160
is a trailer that shows one
specific scene from the

553
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,160
immersive contact from the
immersive concept that we intend

554
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,320
to produce.
And that particular scene has to

555
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:13,480
do with what the Urantia book
describes as the ordination of a

556
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,720
group of female disciples who
Jesus, who Jesus commissioned to

557
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,320
teach other women to serve as
ministers and healers to them.

558
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,960
And they were essentially a
compliment to the male group of

559
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,440
apostles that Jesus had.
And that that the Gospels talk

560
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,360
about continually about, about
the Apostolic core of the 12

561
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,760
men.
The Urantia book makes it very

562
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,680
clear that Jesus very wisely
established a complementary core

563
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,480
that were comprised of women.
Because the, the men and the

564
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,520
women at that time, you know,
2000 years ago in, in, you know,

565
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,680
in, in early, you know, 1st
century times, they did not mix

566
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,760
well within Judaism.
In fact, there were some real

567
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,920
proscriptions against the mixing
of the sexes.

568
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,320
So it made a lot of sense that
Jesus would have commissioned

569
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,360
women to go and minister to the
women.

570
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,840
And, and so this particular
scene that we show in the

571
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,920
trailer, which is the second
part of the seven minute video,

572
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,880
depicts that.
And it's very beautiful.

573
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,440
And, and, and I have seen first
hand where, when, when you know

574
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,800
people in the room see this
tears come to their eyes and,

575
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,480
and they, they are inspired and
it really deep deeply impacts

576
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:43,320
the third part of the video
shows who, who our most probable

577
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,080
production partner is.
They are called Lighthouse

578
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Immersive and they are they are
one of the leading companies

579
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,840
that produce these type of
immersive experiences.

580
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,920
We've had had a lot of dialogue
with some of the executives at

581
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,520
that that company.
And so we we show what they do

582
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,960
and kind of showcase a lot of
the different immersive projects

583
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,360
that they've they've put on
around the planet.

584
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,480
And so it kind of gives a very
well-rounded view of what we're

585
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,120
trying to do, you know, what
some of the scenes might look

586
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,840
like that people could
experience when they go and

587
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
attend one of these exhibits.
And then who we're doing it

588
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,880
with, who is basically top of
class as far as professionalism

589
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,760
and knowing how to do a really
blockbuster immersive

590
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000
experience.
Obviously, we're looking at a

591
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,680
partnership, so because they are
experts, there will be a

592
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,080
collaboration where we actually
select the stories that makes

593
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,160
more sense for this type of
venue for the duration of the

594
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,080
experience, for the type of
audience that we want to

595
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,080
attract, for the location of the
venue, which of course we

596
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,320
haven't selected yet.
There's going to be a very

597
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680
elaborate process that they go
through before they create a new

598
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,240
one, and they will put us
through a lot of hoops and our

599
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:05,960
creative team will basically
serve with them to do all these

600
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,080
things.
So they asked us a lot of

601
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,360
questions about who we are and
why we want to do this.

602
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,960
And you know, one of the things
that they are not accustomed to

603
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,280
is working with a nonprofit.
We are a nonprofit, so we don't

604
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,640
have unlimited budgets.
What you've done in telling the

605
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,280
earlier story about when Jesus
was 14 and that experience of,

606
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040
of losing his father and all
that, what that, what got that

607
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,400
me thinking is that I, I know
more, a lot more about Jesus.

608
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,720
And I, I take that for granted
that most people don't really

609
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,800
know those other stories.
In fact, many people who are

610
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,240
even Christian have no idea the
amount of stories there that are

611
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,600
there.
And it's, it's unfortunate that

612
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,440
they're OK with just learning 30
days of his life and not wanting

613
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,760
to know the rest of it.
So choosing the women's

614
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,480
evangelical Corps is is key
because it addresses several

615
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,400
different issues.
One is that Jesus was very

616
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,000
liberal towards women, which is
something that nobody, nobody

617
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,560
that I know would ever say that
because they think the Catholic

618
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,400
Church represents Jesus's views.
They in fact many women don't

619
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,240
like Christianity because of
that very issue that its

620
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,080
derogatory towards women.
A lot of people, you know, stay

621
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,040
at home, have babies.
It's not about.

622
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,840
The freedom of femininity and
all that.

623
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,720
So that's a, that's a strike, a
stroke of genius.

624
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Think maybe we think we know the
Jesus that we don't really know.

625
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200
So I think it's a stroke of
genius to pick that story.

626
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,800
I also was touched by it.
I actually said to myself, wow,

627
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,880
this is going to be big.
Well, that thank you, Jim.

628
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,200
That's that's really good
confirmation of, you know, of

629
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,560
what's come together.
And I would say this, you know,

630
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,240
look, Gabriel has a very
visionary mind, very creative

631
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,440
mind.
And then with the the group of

632
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,120
this what he described as our
executive committee of four, at

633
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,480
least that's what it is right
now.

634
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,240
And when we, when we look at
these things, one thing we are

635
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:12,280
very clear about is that we are
simply showing up for our parts.

636
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,920
We each have our own experiences
and, and some talents and things

637
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,880
like that.
We've, we've been able to kind

638
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,280
of merge those together to make
sure that that we, we don't just

639
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,800
kind of have what, what out,
what are our own personal

640
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,680
wheelhouses like in Gabriel's
case, extraordinarily creative

641
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,200
for, for me, maybe it's I'm
extraordinarily ruthless when it

642
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:48,320
comes to, to editing and solidly
grounding things in the, the

643
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000
business realities and things
like that.

644
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,320
And then there are other team
members have their own Forte's

645
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,480
and all that.
But, but what we realize is

646
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,440
that, look, we are just vessels
for this.

647
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,320
And so we need, we need to make
sure that we are staying very

648
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,200
open to the inspiration that
comes to us and that we follow

649
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,920
that leading.
So before we have any one of

650
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,280
our, our meetings, we always
start with a prayer and, and we

651
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,000
always speak about, hey, as good
as we might think that this

652
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,320
concept is, there could be
something better.

653
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,680
And we need to stay open to that
possibility that all of what

654
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,560
we're doing here might be be
simply serving as a catalyst to,

655
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,280
to birth another something
that's even better, more

656
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,320
effective, more efficient, what,
what have you.

657
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,040
So, so we're, we're not getting
kind of down our, our own one

658
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
way track that it has to be this
way.

659
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,840
Gabriel talked about how the AI
world is going down a speeding

660
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,320
track and it's like it's hard
for them to get off that track.

661
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,880
Well, because we want to be
totally dialed in to the

662
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,560
leadings of the Holy Spirit that
we don't want to get trapped

663
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,200
into that as much of there there
is even.

664
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,160
And for us too, there's some ego
impulse in this, right?

665
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,360
Because we're like, wow, we see
people get excited about it.

666
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,080
We're excited about it.
And it's like, yeah, we really

667
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,760
want to see that happen, but we
know there might be a better

668
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,800
way.
So we have to keep renewing in

669
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,520
our own minds that that look,
we, we are here to serve our

670
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,480
parts.
We don't know where this is

671
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,680
going.
And and we should not think that

672
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,320
we are in control of this.
You know, God has in control of

673
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,400
this.
We are simply, you know, some,

674
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,440
some humans trying to to do as
as best we can and listening

675
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,920
and, and, and being vessels for
this to come about.

676
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,600
And we invite everybody else to
kind of take that, that spirit

677
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,080
on as well.
Now, when we, when we had to

678
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,640
make a decision, OK, we've put
together this, this 7 minute

679
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560
video that explains what it is
we're trying to do.

680
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,320
OK, so who do we introduce this
first?

681
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,320
Well, we made the decision we
would go to the Urantia

682
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,880
Foundation first because at
that, at that time, a few weeks

683
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,040
ago, we saw that their, their
board of trustees meeting was

684
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,280
coming up in Chicago and things
lined up very well.

685
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,120
So we made the decision to, to
go there first and introduce

686
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,400
what we're planning to do to
that board of trustees.

687
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,800
And, and Rick Lyon and I went
and, and, and we, we explained

688
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,920
what we are doing with this
project and we wanted to gauge

689
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,840
their reaction.
And I think they were quite

690
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,520
surprised at what they saw.
You know, they, they knew

691
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
because of, of having, you know,
seen some of the other Center

692
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,640
for Unity projects that have
been really out-of-the-box a new

693
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,240
fresh ideas and things.
You know, whether it's it's been

694
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:10,920
the Discover Jesus app or, or
the, the podcast, the divine

695
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,640
within podcast, things like
that.

696
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,040
You know, we've been doing some,
some really novel things in

697
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,880
trying to reach out to a global
audience in, in some fresh ways

698
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,760
and using technology, because
that's how people, especially

699
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,040
young people, they, they get
gather information through

700
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,560
technology.
They communicate through

701
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,440
technology and all that.
So I think the board of

702
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,280
trustees, you know, when they,
they saw this, they're like, OK,

703
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,360
wow.
The, the Center for Unity guys,

704
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,600
they're, they're always kind of
doing some kind of edgy things.

705
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,720
But when they saw this video, it
was, it was really fun to see

706
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,040
the response.
There was excitement in the

707
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,320
room, Lots of questions that
came up.

708
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,640
There were no objections at all
to what we were doing.

709
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,000
We we could see they were
stimulated by this.

710
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,080
So.
And I would say in some cases

711
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,280
too, you could see the real
emotional connection, especially

712
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,800
to the trailer where we were
featuring this episode with the

713
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,240
women's ordination and that and,
and it's like, OK, yeah, we, we

714
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,320
see we are on the mark here.
And then, you know, we, you

715
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,680
know, we extended the invitation
to them to please share this,

716
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,920
you know, amongst their networks
to help us with the funding

717
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,440
effort in this because we, we
need others to show up on that

718
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,560
side of things to make this a
reality, you know, because it's

719
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,880
going to take substantial
resources to do this.

720
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:50,520
However, however, we, we, we see
that there is an extraordinary

721
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,640
opportunity for the Urantia
Foundation, whose mission is

722
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
basically to get books out
there.

723
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,080
We, we at each of these
immersive venues, whether it's

724
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,960
just the inaugural one, wherever
that city might be, and then

725
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,480
subsequent ones, there will be a
merchandise section connected

726
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
to, to that exhibit where there
will be books and things.

727
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,080
And we expect there will be
millions of people who end up

728
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,320
attending these things, all of
whom are likely to go through

729
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,320
that that merchandise store.
Like Disneyland, when you get

730
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,240
off the ride at the end and you
walk through and get a little

731
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,040
your ranch, a key chain.
Yeah.

732
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,800
So instead of getting the Mickey
ears, they'll have an

733
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,880
opportunity to to get a Urantia
book in any number of languages

734
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,000
because we'd have a number of
different of the translations

735
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,760
there.
They also would be able to get a

736
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,840
Bible.
Once you get a Urantia theme

737
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,640
park and just have like, you
know, go from there and and have

738
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,480
rides and.
Yeah, there might be some some

739
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,560
of Byron Balitzo's books and
some other folks who who have

740
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,960
done things.
So it'll be all kinds of things

741
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,280
they can get there.
And and importantly, it won't be

742
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:15,040
just like Urantia literature
there, because we know it's

743
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:20,680
important for us to include the,
the Christian community in this

744
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,520
who are steeped just in the, the
biblical narrative.

745
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,800
And we encourage people to to
explore that.

746
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,800
Like ideally you would become
highly familiar with what's in

747
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,680
the Bible and highly familiar
with what's in the Urantia book

748
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,920
because you'll be able to see
how they dovetail together it.

749
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,040
But.
That's OK.

750
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,560
Are we ready for this?
That's what what I'm asking you

751
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,080
is do you think it's now time
for Will the Urantia book

752
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,800
survive the Scrutinous?
You know, there's going to be a

753
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,520
lot of people that are
threatened, just like they'll be

754
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,000
a lot of people threatened by
the what you did with the first

755
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,960
about the evangelical women of
Jesus's Apostolic court group.

756
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,440
And that in itself is
controversial because that

757
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,840
contradicts 2000 years of the
papacy.

758
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,920
Great, great point.
And, and again, yes, this is the

759
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,520
time to not shy away from from
those type of controversies.

760
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:27,600
And and you know what, we have
the with the opportunity of the

761
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:32,920
angelic story of Jesus.
We don't need to defend that

762
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,440
because we were not those
superhuman witnesses.

763
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,120
Any evangelical would
acknowledge that angels are

764
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,680
real.
Any evangelical pastor would

765
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,240
say, yeah, undoubtedly there
were angels witnessing the life

766
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,800
of Jesus, all of the the whole
life of Jesus and that they have

767
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,880
a better understanding of
history, they have a better

768
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,360
understanding of the divine
plan.

769
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,400
They have a better understanding
from real living experience and

770
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,840
witnessing of of what was going
on in Jesus life.

771
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Right.
We don't we're we're just humans

772
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,240
that the the Urantia book
presents this from the angelic

773
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,680
view.
The the immersive experience is,

774
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,120
is a wonderful idea.
And I think of maybe one day

775
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,480
this could be, you know, in that
globe that they have in, in Las

776
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,840
Vegas, where you could have that
kind of an immersive where,

777
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,320
where the world of Jesus, you
know, is in this big ball and,

778
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,600
you know, lots of beautiful
music and sound.

779
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,320
But but it's the essence of the
story that gives it its

780
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,880
strength.
So would it not be better to

781
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,920
just have simple films made
instead of going the route of

782
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,520
the immersive experience?
Or is that a way to capture the

783
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,480
imagination of the youth who
expect nothing less than the

784
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,080
immersive experience?
So what's the the immersive?

785
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,600
What's the gain of the immersive
experience as opposed to just

786
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,760
making short clips and
presenting different Urantia

787
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,880
book stories?
So so the answer is one word and

788
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,280
it's and it's not or we're doing
this and that.

789
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520
So if you look at the same
website that you're going to put

790
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,200
a link to the seven circles
creative.com on the homepage,

791
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
you will see two projects.
One is called the divine within

792
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,600
and the other is called the
angelic story of Jesus and the

793
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Divine within.
We're writing now the pilot

794
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,880
episode, episode one of eight
episode streaming series that

795
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,800
talks about also the angelic the
the women's evangelistic corps,

796
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,920
but in a drama and explains who
Mary Magdalene was and.

797
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,240
Susanna and I get excited about
that because that's.

798
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,000
So we're doing that.
Yes, we're doing that too.

799
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,440
The reason we want to do the
immersive is because it's a

800
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,960
different type of experience.
It's like saying, oh, we have

801
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,800
theater so we don't need the
movies, or we have concerts so

802
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,680
we don't need DVDs.
It's different when you walk.

803
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,400
I, I, I've been to several of
those.

804
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,200
When you walk into this venue
and you're basically

805
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,360
disconnected from the world,
there's two things that happen.

806
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,360
You are actually immersed in
something.

807
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,640
And the second thing that will
happen, and God willing, this

808
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,040
is, this is really God's will,
is that all of the spirit

809
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,920
influences that are going to be
partnership, partnering with us,

810
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,200
are going to be there assisting
those humans having their own

811
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,600
immersive experience.
So we're, it's like putting

812
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,080
people in the stadium and
praying together.

813
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,600
It's got a lot of power when
people together are doing

814
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,760
something physically at the same
time.

815
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,680
So all of those people,
hundreds, thousands, hundreds of

816
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,960
thousands coming to a venue
where they're having hopefully

817
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,320
some kind of a spiritual
experience too, but also going

818
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,880
to be entertained.
We're, we're not saying

819
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,920
anything, but this is
entertainment.

820
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,960
It doesn't replace anything
else.

821
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,760
It's an experience.
It's a very kind of experience

822
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,320
with a very kind of story.
And we hope that there will be

823
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,200
opportunities for those people
to go through other types of

824
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,560
experiences, but that's not our
job.

825
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,640
We are doing our part by making
this happen on the material

826
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,600
plane and selecting the stories
and being connected while we're

827
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,960
doing this work so that we can
serve the the the role and and

828
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,320
and the plans of other beings
who are.

829
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,680
They gave us the script.
So, you know, we're now we're

830
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,040
going to take that script that
they provided and make it even

831
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,400
more real so that.
Yeah.

832
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,360
And I will say one more thing,
which which is a continuation of

833
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,120
the discussion you and I had
maybe a couple months ago on

834
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,400
another episode.
I think it's time that you run

835
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Chabuk has a seat at the table
that we shift the overtone

836
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,080
window.
What is the Overton window?

837
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,960
Can you explain that to me?
And also the 4th Turning, which

838
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,920
you referred to on our last
podcast together.

839
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,520
The overtone window is, is an
expression describing what is

840
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,960
acceptable to discuss what is
in, in, in the, in the realm of

841
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840
the mainstream of culture,
society.

842
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,960
And so right now the Urantia
book is out there.

843
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,200
Most people don't know about it.
It's not known.

844
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,600
And those who know about it may
categorize it as X or Y, Say

845
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,320
it's a cold, say it's this, say
it's that.

846
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,640
It's not part of the mainstream.
If we bring it by doing a lot of

847
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,760
things to the point where people
know about it, they can form an

848
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,240
opinion, they can read, they can
listen, they can talk, they can

849
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:37,920
write papers, they can do
anything.

850
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:43,680
It's time that this happens.
And then it's time that just

851
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,040
like we mentioned before, you
know, there's a paper that that

852
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,800
describes something that happens
on another planet that is on a

853
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,640
very similar level to ours.
There's a lot for us to learn

854
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,640
from that paper and but it will
not happen unless people who are

855
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,760
in those realms of education, of
parenting, of the law, of

856
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,480
politics, of planning, of civil
service, they read those ideas

857
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,680
and say, you know what, we
should try some of these things

858
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,200
here.
That's a discussion that happens

859
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,680
when this is it is part of what
is acceptable to discuss.

860
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,200
So I I say you, Rancho Book
deserves a seat at the table.

861
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,640
And this project is one of the
things that we as a community do

862
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000
to shift it, to bring it more to
the point where it will be

863
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:33,920
having a seat at the table.
Yeah.

864
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,000
So it's a process.
It takes time.

865
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,080
And, you know, I don't really
have answers to everything.

866
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,200
I just feel that this is if not
now, then when right?

867
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Because like of.
Course, what are we waiting for?

868
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,320
So.
Jim, we all you know, we see

869
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:55,080
here much like The Chosen
series, which has become a huge

870
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,680
blockbuster presentation of
Jesus, but as entertainment that

871
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:06,560
has brought in a whole new group
of people who've taken a a

872
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,080
renewed or a brand new interest
in Jesus.

873
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,960
And there was a lot of of
artistic license that was used

874
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,800
in the the Chosen series.
And it is beautifully done as

875
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,720
entertainment.
And I don't think they are

876
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,600
trying to defend any particular
thing about how they are

877
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,840
presenting, you know, their
their work.

878
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,440
And we're not, we don't need to
defend what we are doing here

879
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:38,760
because it's using the, the
Entertainment Ave. to introduce

880
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,640
people to the life and teachings
of Jesus.

881
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,920
Now.
Now, if, if folks want to get

882
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,320
really caught up in how, how we
use the artistic license around

883
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,200
that, that's fine.
They're free to do that because

884
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,760
we're not trying to tell people
what to think, what to believe,

885
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,520
how, how to view these things.
As I said before, even in the,

886
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,400
the merchandise at these, these
immersive venues, we'll, yeah,

887
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,600
we'll have Urantia related
materials there.

888
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,400
They can read.
We'll also have the Bible there

889
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,360
for them to read and, and, and
they're welcome to do all of it.

890
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,680
We encourage them to look at all
of it because we're not trying

891
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,520
to tell them how to think or
what to believe.

892
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,360
There's nothing dogmatic about
this.

893
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,880
And what I reminded or mentioned
to the folks at the Urantia

894
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Foundation is this, look, I go
to probably at least two

895
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,560
Catholic services a week.
In fact, I, I went probably 1/2

896
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,160
an hour before the three of us
started this pocket.

897
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:52,080
I just went to a Catholic Mass
this morning because I feel

898
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,640
enriched from what is true and
beautiful and good about

899
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Catholicism.
That's my background and it, it

900
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,760
helps nourish me.
I also attend the largest

901
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,160
evangelical mega church in
Portland, OR which has a

902
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,320
congregation of probably 15,000.
And why do I do that?

903
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,360
Because the pastor there is a
wonderful Bible teacher and I

904
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,400
want to learn and understand
more about what's in the Bible.

905
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,600
And it's wonderful in the Spirit
moves through both those

906
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,880
Catholic services.
It moves through those

907
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,200
evangelical Bible study
services.

908
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
It moves through all different
kinds of ways on this planet

909
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,600
because God meets us where we
are and that's wonderful and

910
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,480
it's beautiful.
So we don't have to try to tell

911
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,400
everyone that, look, you got to
be pigeon holed just into this

912
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,840
view of Jesus and his teachings
and your relationship with God.

913
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,040
And in all of this, and, and
whether folks want to have that

914
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,600
sola scriptura view that the the
evangelical world tends to find

915
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:07,240
themselves in, and I would say
even highly constrained by, we

916
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,880
are not under those constraints.
We can present the life and

917
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,920
teachings of Jesus as it's
presented in the Urantia book

918
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,720
without defense.
Let people investigate that and

919
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,920
make the decision for
themselves.

920
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,120
We didn't write it.
We weren't those angelic

921
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,640
witnesses, you know, we can't
say whether that was a fact or

922
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,960
not.
What we can say factually is

923
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,120
that there are hundreds of
thousands, if not now millions

924
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,520
of people who have been impacted
by what is in the Urantia book.

925
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,680
And it has uplifted us.
In fact, it's, it's, it's

926
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:51,840
brought us closer to Jesus.
It's brought us much to, to it's

927
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,560
brought us to a personal
relationship, not just with

928
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Jesus, but I would say, you
know, with the, the universal

929
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,640
father, more prayerful, more
dedicated to service, to uplift

930
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,160
humanity.
And in the case of the Center

931
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,000
for Unity and this particular
project, to reach out to the

932
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,560
young people who, who, who
aren't feeling any connection to

933
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,040
God at all.
And we're using that as a way to

934
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,520
to give them the opportunity to
reconnect with God.

935
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,400
And, and I would say if there's
someone from from another

936
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,880
Christian community who thinks
that's a bad idea, well, they

937
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,160
might want to think about that
in a deeper way.

938
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,480
OK, We are using a novel
approach to introduce young

939
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,880
people to Jesus.
And and that's what we're

940
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,640
showing up to do.
Well, I think what you got to do

941
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,160
is you got to get Taylor Swift
and Travis Kelsey a Bible or a a

942
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,920
Urantia book and say, you know,
here you go.

943
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,480
Can you take this to one of your
concerts instead of all this

944
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,960
other weird stuff she's doing?
I mean you.

945
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,640
That's so how about how about
this, Jim?

946
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,840
She's a reader.
How about are?

947
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,640
You saying that Taylor Swift
reads the Urantia book?

948
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,600
I want to make sure that that
algorithm gets out there so

949
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,840
that.
How how about how about we?

950
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,680
Hashtag Taylor Garantia book.
Yeah, how about we get it in

951
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,800
front of Joe Rogan?
Yeah, he needs the book, but I

952
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,080
I'm afraid that he might
misrepresent it.

953
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,400
Well, did he send it back?
No, I sent it to him with a

954
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,400
personal letter.
You're going to end up going on

955
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,280
the Joe Rogan show is what's
going to happen.

956
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,360
Well, it could happen.
That's why I'm mentioning it

957
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,680
here.
I'll tell you something I've

958
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,760
come to really to to really
believe as a as a, a maxim that

959
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,920
has a lot of truth is this.
Ideas are strengthened as they

960
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,760
are shared.
So, so we are sharing a lot of

961
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:53,400
ideas through your generous
invitation to be on your podcast

962
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,080
and I, and I'm telling you in
truth, yes, I sent the Urantia

963
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,280
book to Joe Rogan with a, with a
personal letter encouraging him

964
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,680
to take a look at it.
Joe has a very broad mind.

965
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,600
He does a lot, lot of different
interests and and what we are

966
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,960
potentially considering is that
Austin, TX could become the

967
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,120
inaugural city for what we are
doing here with this immersive

968
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,120
concept.
So just imagine if, if we

969
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:25,440
invited Joe and his staff to
come and check it out, have

970
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,040
their own experience, decide for
himself and he might go like,

971
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,800
wow, this is really novel.
I never thought about anything

972
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,680
like this that and he might be
like, you know, this is worth

973
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,800
talking about.
Then imagine he brings Gabriel,

974
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,120
you know, on to the Joe Rogan
podcast just to say, hey, how'd

975
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,800
you even come up with this?
Imagine what that would do.

976
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,800
You would immediately have 10
million viewers, his followers

977
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,280
who'd be like, whoa, what is
this all about?

978
01:02:53,880 --> 01:03:00,240
So you see, we, we, we can look
at different ways to have

979
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,280
explosive interest in in what
the Urantia has to say.

980
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,520
The Urantia book has to say
about all of this.

981
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,480
We don't have to be in control
of it.

982
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,840
We just show up for our parts.
We let, we let you know these

983
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,640
other leadings, you know,
through the spirit of truth,

984
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,400
through through the angels and,
and whoever else are are helping

985
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,040
to guide this.
And we definitely believe there

986
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,800
are others who are guiding this
that we can't see.

987
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,280
And, and we're just going to,
you know, do what we feel we

988
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,240
need to do and, and invite
people to join us along the way

989
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,800
because we're having a great
time doing this.

990
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,520
If it's not evident, I just want
to let you know we are having a

991
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,760
blast doing this.
And, and it's cool because we

992
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,000
know we are, we are doing
something we're feeling called

993
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,600
to do.
So, well, the timing is, is

994
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,680
impeccable because in the 80s
when I started reading the book,

995
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,200
I was always thinking, OK, well,
everything seemed, you know, the

996
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,640
80s weren't that bad in
retrospect when you consider

997
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,680
today.
But now today, you see that the

998
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:09,400
moral clarity is blurry ethics
to way too many totalitarian

999
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,040
regimes in the world, way too
much human trafficking.

1000
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,600
It's almost like it's a very
schizophrenic world.

1001
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,760
And I think that the Urantia
book more today than 40 years

1002
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,320
ago can bring a lot of clarity
to it's like they say, you, you

1003
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,000
can't have any understanding in
the, in the paper 57 when it

1004
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,120
talks about the Lucifer
rebellion, the, the exact words,

1005
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,120
I don't know, but it says
something to the effect of

1006
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,760
you're not really going to
understand why humanity is the

1007
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:43,040
way it is today unless you get
what happened before with the

1008
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,720
rebellion.
And these ideas of these, you

1009
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,400
know, personal freedom,
unlimited liberty, These are all

1010
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,760
poisons.
The put the, the the pool has

1011
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,080
been poisoned by these ideas and
we're still living with that

1012
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,280
effect today.
And it does.

1013
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,360
It did help me understand evil
in the world.

1014
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,520
That's what I'm saying is
understanding what what Lucifer

1015
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,800
and his whole doctrine brought
to this world helps me

1016
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,240
understand why we are as screwed
up as we are.

1017
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,840
I'm not blaming him for
everything, but a lot of the

1018
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,520
misdeeds and the false
philosophies, you know,

1019
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,760
certainly stem from that period.
So.

1020
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,560
But yeah, but I, I, I wish you
well.

1021
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,600
I I wish that Joe Rogan and I
wish Tucker Carlson, you know,

1022
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,920
would, would investigate the
Urantia book and expose.

1023
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,400
It to Tucker, too.
But don't send it to Alex Jones

1024
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,400
because he's too divisive.
We don't.

1025
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,040
We don't need divisive people.
Did you get a response from

1026
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,600
Tucker?
No, not yet.

1027
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,760
You will, but it will be a
private phone call at 3:00 in

1028
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,240
the morning.
Yeah, we'll see.

1029
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:55,200
But look, those were all those
were done on what I would call a

1030
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,360
spiritual impulse where I'm
like, oh, OK, so I just wrote

1031
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,800
the letters, personal letters to
these guys, sent the book.

1032
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,160
You know, it didn't get returned
to me.

1033
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,560
Someone got it, Someone opened
it.

1034
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,800
Who knows, Maybe it wasn't them
or their staff or whoever.

1035
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,440
Someone opened that book and saw
this and maybe they read the

1036
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,200
letter, maybe it's having an
impact.

1037
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,480
We have no idea.
We have no idea, and it's not

1038
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:27,040
ours to control where that goes.
But I trust that that spiritual

1039
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,760
impulse to send those books and
write those letters, take the

1040
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,880
time, invest that, pray as I'm
putting it in the mail.

1041
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,160
I don't think that was all an
ego exercise or or was.

1042
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,560
Done in vain?
Not at all.

1043
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,840
And and so we'll just see where
that goes.

1044
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,840
We're Gabriel and I here.
We're just sharing ideas that

1045
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,680
are being strengthened through
your podcast here and, and.

1046
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,240
Well, did you send one to you?
We're having a great.

1047
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,800
Did you send one to you?
OK, I'm going to make a list of

1048
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,480
people I want you to send it to.
All right, all right.

1049
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,800
Great.
I've, I've said before, Gabriel,

1050
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,960
have you ever sent the Urantia
book to anybody?

1051
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,400
And you know, because you felt
like, oh, this person really

1052
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,640
needs to know this.
Two people.

1053
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,440
I sent it to Shimon Peres, The
Who was then the president of

1054
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,280
Israel before he died.
And I got a nice letter back

1055
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,680
that his staff got it.
I don't know if you read it.

1056
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,080
And after I watched The Passion
of the Christ with Mel Gibson, I

1057
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,000
was compelled to write a
personal letter and send it to

1058
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,720
his agent.
Did you really?

1059
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,320
I was thinking about that
because he's, he's coming out

1060
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,400
with a new movie now, the
sequel, which I can't I I could

1061
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,760
only sit through the first one
once.

1062
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:48,760
It was, it was too hard for me
to watch, you know, Jesus being

1063
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,760
dragged through Gethsemane and
having all that.

1064
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,600
It was too much.
But I admire the guy.

1065
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,600
He's trying to get it out there
and he's and what, what were you

1066
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,760
going to say, Joel?
Jim, I also handed the book

1067
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:09,040
directly to Jordan Peterson.
I gave it to him as a gift.

1068
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,440
You.
Know handed it to him personally

1069
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,319
at the tail end of a one-on-one
conversation I had with him in

1070
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:21,960
Seattle several years back.
So who knows?

1071
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,399
Maybe that's how it happens
though.

1072
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,439
That's how it happens.
Some strange guy I only knew for

1073
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,680
two weeks, so I'd never seen
since, handed me the book just

1074
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,200
because I happened to get the
job at that place at that right

1075
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,359
time.
We started talking about Adam

1076
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,840
and Eve, and the next thing you
know, I'm walking around a

1077
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,200
bookstore in Hollywood looking
for a book I can't remember the

1078
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,520
name of.
And then I bumped into a whole

1079
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,319
shelf of them.
Amazing story.

1080
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaking of which, final
question for both of you,

1081
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,760
Gabriel Reinberg and Joel, who's
been on the program so many

1082
01:08:55,760 --> 01:09:00,200
times, why is it called Project
Blue Book?

1083
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,760
Any correlation between the
Urantia book and the what they

1084
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,960
were doing back with the CIA
Project Blue Book?

1085
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,439
Is there ever been any
explanation as to and the could

1086
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,439
that have any connection with
the Urantia book?

1087
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:20,120
You know, that's a very
interesting question.

1088
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,479
You know, the Air Force was
running Project Blue Book and

1089
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,120
this, for those of you who don't
know it was, it was basically an

1090
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,960
investigation of the UFOET
phenomenon.

1091
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,920
And I, I think it was started in
the 1960s pretty sure.

1092
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,720
And, and it kind of that project
supposedly was closed down

1093
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:49,800
because there was no conclusive
evidence supposedly that there

1094
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,640
actually are, that, that there
actually is a real UFO ET

1095
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,480
phenomenon occurring on our, our
planet.

1096
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:04,040
Now, what we found out since
then is that, well, the real

1097
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:09,680
story goes way beyond that.
And it was a false close meant

1098
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,560
to misdirect the public, meant
to create a ha ha factor about

1099
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,960
anything that's reported about
that topic.

1100
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,480
And, and now we know from all
these whistleblowers who have

1101
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:26,520
come forward, many of whom will
be featured in this this film

1102
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,600
that's going to premiere next
Friday, November 21, called the

1103
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,320
Age of Disclosure.
You're going to see the real

1104
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,280
story.
So whether whether it was called

1105
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,120
Project Blue Book because of the
ranch book at all that who

1106
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,840
knows, maybe that is the case.
And I think if if that ever came

1107
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,280
out, that would be really cool
if in fact, if it got

1108
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,520
substantiated that way.
So thanks for bringing it up.

1109
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,040
I had never thought of that,
angled you.

1110
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,840
Gabriel, any closing thoughts?
I know the focus here is about

1111
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,520
this very important project with
the angelic story of of Jesus.

1112
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,600
What do you want to leave the
people listening to this

1113
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,080
podcast?
What do you want them to think

1114
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about here?
Like Joel said, this is this is

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a very substantial process in
resources.

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We've done a lot of due
diligence and conceptual work

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and partnering with the right
people.

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And right now we're looking for
those who will step forward and

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say I want this to exist and I
have the means to provide.

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We are set up with donation
possibilities that as a 5O1C3.

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We also have an LLC that is
willing and and ready to accept

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investments in the form of loans
or revenue sharing agreements.

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And if somebody has a different
need, we are open to discuss

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their need.
Another thing that we've decided

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is that we're going to raise the
whole sum before we actually

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spend $1.00 in the form of
commitments.

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So we want to be very prudent
and very good stewards with

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those resources and don't put
them in risk.

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And because this is quite a
sizable amount, we're taking the

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time to bring the right mission
aligned people who want to be

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part of this.
And so most of us don't have

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those resources available, but
many of us know others who do.

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So the call to action here is if
you feel called to introduce us

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to people you know that may be
interested in this, you can

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start by visiting the Seven
Circles creative.com website,

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click on the Angelic story of
Jesus project, watch the trailer

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sizzle reel.
You can ask For more

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information.
We have business decks ready and

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we're ready to answer all the
questions in private meetings

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for the correct individuals.
So we're looking for

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introductions to people with
means that are mission aligned

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to this project.
That's that's what would I would

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ask.
So you know, I'll leave you with

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a little bit of an exercise if
you're listening to this.

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So thank you for listening all
the way here.

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We all have a Rolodex of names
and persons in our head.

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So what I asked you to do once
you finish this podcast is stop

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for one minute, close your eyes,
do a search in your head and

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just see if you ask for somebody
who may know wealthy individuals

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who love Jesus and would like to
like to help young people be

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better off in this world and see
what that search comes back

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with.
And it might be 0 names, one

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name, two names.
Write those names down and send

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them the link that is going to
be in the show notes for them to

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look at it.
If they are feeling it in their

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hearts, they will contact us and
you will have done your work.

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I want to read the last section
from paper 195 where it talks

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about where it says the
following.

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The world needs first hand
religion, even Christianity.

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The best of the religions of the
20th century is is not only a

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religion about Jesus, but it is
so largely one which men

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experience second hand.
What an awakening the world

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would experience if it could
only see Jesus as he really

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lived on earth and know first
hand.

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So with that, I just want to
thank again Joel Garban and

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Gabriel Reinberg for joining us
today to talk about so many

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wonderful things, things that I
think will have a real shaping

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effect on the future of the
Urantia book and certainly on

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our society.
And again, I encourage you to

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visit sevencirclescreative.com.
That's WWW dot

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01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,200
sevencirclescreative.com.
You can learn more about this

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,960
project, you can get involved as
well, and you can show your

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support.questionsorcommentsalwaysemailmeyourranchbookradio@gmail.com.
Blessings to you and happy

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holidays.
See you next time.